With modern records there are always lots of situations that could cause future genealogists to do a double take if they only look at the statistics. My father donated his body to science. The school sends the ashes back to the family (if they want them) about a year later. In picking a time for "burial" when everyone could get together, his ashes were buried about 2 years after he died. Anyone looking at just the death and burial dates in my records would thing one was wrong. Rick Saunders

This is such foreign info for me because people in the south were normally buried the same day or the next at the latest (before preservation). I can't imagine keeping someone in the house longer than that when it is 98 degrees! Michele From: Cathy Champion [mailto:cacshantih@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 1:30 PM To: TGF Mailing List; Michele Lewis Subject: Re: [TGF] Buried a month later? Hi Michelle, Have you looked up what the weather was like during that timeframe? Perhaps they had a monster snowstorm or ice storm. I remember one here in St. Louis that kept us snowed in for three weeks (I live in the country outside the city limits), and even the city took close to two weeks to dig out from the ice. Perhaps they waited because most of the family lived in areas that were snowed in and the family decided to wait, or maybe a significant family member was away on a trip. Just this week I read an online rag mag (if you can believe the info in those) that Michael Jackson's body was held for over a month because one of the family members wanted her money back that she advanced to the cemetery before she would allow his body to be interred! So strange things happen still today. Good luck on your search! Cathy Champion in Fenton, MO 63026 (near St. Louis) "When a man loves cats, I am his friend and comrade without further introduction" - Mark Twain --- On Sat, 10/6/12, Michele Lewis <ancestoring@gmail.com> wrote: I know that up in the cold NE that even today they will hold bodies until the spring to bury them because the ground is too hard, I get that. But in this case both the death and the burial is in the dead of winter so I can't figure out why you would wait a month to bury someone.

I rarely do research in the northeast. I prefer to confine myself to the familiar territory of the deep south ☺ I am looking at a death register book from Charlestown Massachusetts. Ruth A. Kenrick died on 05 Nov 1853 but was buried on 03 Dec 1853. The other persons on the page follow this same pattern. I know that up in the cold NE that even today they will hold bodies until the spring to bury them because the ground is too hard, I get that. But in this case both the death and the burial is in the dead of winter so I can't figure out why you would wait a month to bury someone. Michele

All the others say died in Nov and buried in Dec? I'd guess someone went back after the fact and supplied the burial date... Using the incorrect date. Sent from my iPhone On 6 Oct 2012, at 10:45, "Michele Lewis" <ancestoring@gmail.com> wrote: > I rarely do research in the northeast. I prefer to confine myself to the familiar territory of the deep south ☺ I am looking at a death register book from Charlestown Massachusetts. Ruth A. Kenrick died on 05 Nov 1853 but was buried on 03 Dec 1853. The other persons on the page follow this same pattern. I know that up in the cold NE that even today they will hold bodies until the spring to bury them because the ground is too hard, I get that. But in this case both the death and the burial is in the dead of winter so I can't figure out why you would wait a month to bury someone. > > Michele > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Michelle,   Have you looked up what the weather was like during that timeframe?   Perhaps they had a monster snowstorm or ice storm.  I remember one here in St. Louis that kept us snowed in for three weeks (I live in the country outside the city limits), and even the city took close to two weeks to dig out from the ice.   Perhaps they waited because most of the family lived in areas that were snowed in and the family decided to wait, or maybe a significant family member was away on a trip.    Just this week I read an online rag mag (if you can believe the info in those) that Michael Jackson's body was held for over a month because one of the family members wanted her money back that she advanced to the cemetery before she would allow his body to be interred!  So strange things happen still today.   Good luck on your search! Cathy Champion in Fenton, MO 63026 (near St. Louis)   "When a man loves cats, I am his friend and comrade without further introduction" - Mark Twain --- On Sat, 10/6/12, Michele Lewis <ancestoring@gmail.com> wrote:  I know that up in the cold NE that even today they will hold bodies until the spring to bury them because the ground is too hard, I get that.  But in this case both the death and the burial is in the dead of winter so I can't figure out why you would wait a month to bury someone.

Dee, I replied off-line, did you get my message? I live in Wilkes County, NC, and will be happy to help you. Debbie Hendren Pruitt pruittdebbie@gmail.com

I don't find this is an issue of "copyright" as much as "validating data." Your data are only as good as the maps from which you work. In years past I've done the same thing -- using the outlines as identified by AniMap at various times, superimposed them on modern topo-maps (US National Maps -- no copyright issue there), and entered plats based on descriptions rendered in DeedMapper 4.1. I've more recently done similar things with http://randymajors.com/p/maps.html . I think it is important to tell the reader which of these historic maps are used for my positions about, for example, the location of a particular plat at a particular time. Some of my "plats of interest" straddle current county lines in Virginia, making this an important issue. The advantage of Randy Majors, of course, is that his are already superimposed on modern maps (not available years ago when I first did this), and I note that Majors cites The _Atlas of Historical County Boundaries_ (http://publications.newberry.org/ahcbp/project.html ) as his source. I just checked and find that the origin of the data for AniMap is not clear. So, when using any of these "new" images from PhotoShopped maps, I would cite several sources - one for the original county outline map, probably one for the underlying topo map, if used, and one for the plat descriptions. I think my use of DeedMapper is not necessary for a citation -- anymore than a compass and protractor would be if I chose to be "old school" with this. Question would be -- that's a lot of citing for one drawing, how to do this so as to "not" confuse the reader? Pat Dunford Tucson, Arizona -----Original Message----- From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Charles Fleming Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 5:45 AM To: TGF Mailing List Subject: Re: [TGF] How to cite: AniMap maps In addition, the software company's copyright arguably no longer applies, as you have made sufficient modifications to the map to qualify as an original work.

Ancestry.ca has just added the "Canada, Voters Lists, 1935-1980" database to its site. I've found my father on the 1979 preliminary list of electors and now want to craft a citation. How does this attempt look:   “Canada, Voters Lists, 1935-1980”, digital images, Ancestry.ca (http://www.ancestry.ca: accessed 4 October 2012); electoral division Timmins-Chapleau, Ontario, 1979, entry for Maurice Belair, p. 62651 (stamped); Voters Lists, Federal Elections, 1935–1980, R1003-6-3-E (RG113-B), Library and Archives Canada, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada.   Thank you, Yvonne Demoskoff

I'd be leary of that -- this could well qualify as a derivative work, the rights to which are held by the copyright holder. Dave Liesse On 10/4/2012 05:45, Charles Fleming wrote: > In addition, the software company's copyright arguably no longer applies, > as you have made sufficient modifications to the map to qualify as an > original work. > > On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 1:04 PM, eshown <eshown@comcast.net> wrote: > >> Greg wrote: >>> I am working on the NGS Home Study Course and am using AniMap from Gold >> Bug Software to produce county maps for several states at different time >> points for the migraton study required in Lesson 11 of the course. I am at >> a loss as to what citation format to use. As an example, I am using the >> software to produce a map of counties in South Carolina in 1800. I am >> exporting that map to a gif file which I am then opening in Photoshop to >> edit, removing text I do not want and shading the county of interest. >> While >> the original map is produced by the software, the final has been edited by >> me. How do I cite this map? BTW, I have written the author of the >> software >> and obtained his permission to use the maps. >>> Any assistance would be appreciated. >> >> Greg, if you had made a notes from a publication and, for some reason, you >> wanted to cite your own notes? Would you identify whether you had used a >> pen, a pencil, or a keyboard to create those notes? No. You would simply >> cite your notes and identify the publication from which the notes were >> made. >> >> The same principle would apply to your adaptation of a published map. >> Elizabeth >> >> ------------------------------------------------- >> Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG >> www.HistoricPathways.com <http://www.historicpathways.com/> >> www.EvidenceExplained.com <http://www.evidenceexplained.com/> >> www.Facebook.com/EvidenceExplained<http://www.facebook.com/EvidenceExplained> >> >> >> The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive >> environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to >> professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In addition, the software company's copyright arguably no longer applies, as you have made sufficient modifications to the map to qualify as an original work. On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 1:04 PM, eshown <eshown@comcast.net> wrote: > Greg wrote: > > I am working on the NGS Home Study Course and am using AniMap from Gold > Bug Software to produce county maps for several states at different time > points for the migraton study required in Lesson 11 of the course. I am at > a loss as to what citation format to use. As an example, I am using the > software to produce a map of counties in South Carolina in 1800. I am > exporting that map to a gif file which I am then opening in Photoshop to > edit, removing text I do not want and shading the county of interest. > While > the original map is produced by the software, the final has been edited by > me. How do I cite this map? BTW, I have written the author of the > software > and obtained his permission to use the maps. > >Any assistance would be appreciated. > > > Greg, if you had made a notes from a publication and, for some reason, you > wanted to cite your own notes? Would you identify whether you had used a > pen, a pencil, or a keyboard to create those notes? No. You would simply > cite your notes and identify the publication from which the notes were > made. > > The same principle would apply to your adaptation of a published map. > Elizabeth > > ------------------------------------------------- > Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG > www.HistoricPathways.com <http://www.historicpathways.com/> > www.EvidenceExplained.com <http://www.evidenceexplained.com/> > www.Facebook.com/EvidenceExplained<http://www.facebook.com/EvidenceExplained> > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My heart just about stopped! The next county over from me is Wilkes and I was getting so excited that I might be able to help someone on the list finally. But alas, you mean Wilkes County, NC and not GA :( Michele -----Original Message----- From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 1:27 AM To: TGF Mailing List Subject: [TGF] Wilkes Co NC obit help, please Anyone available to quickly retrieve an obit from 1995 from Wilkes Co Library, or equivalent, for a death that occurred in Wilkesboro? First two attempts did not work out. Please respond off list. best regards, Dee

It looks like Jerman to me, both before and after looking at other responses. It is most likely a phonetic rendering of Germaine. Is Dasher also a phonetic rendering? Too bad it doesn't say whether he's from French Canada or English Canada. --Ida Skarson McCormick, idamc@seanet.com, Seattle

Anyone available to quickly retrieve an obit from 1995 from Wilkes Co Library, or equivalent, for a death that occurred in Wilkesboro? First two attempts did not work out. Please respond off list. best regards, Dee -- Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist (sm), Certificate 903 Contract Genealogist, US Navy Casualty POW/MIA Branch Co-Director, Forensic Genealogy Institute http://www.forensicgenealogists.com/forensic-genealogy-institute.html Mail address - PO Box 1085, Manvel TX 77578 Telephone/fax 281-595-3090 www.forensicgenealogyservices.com/NavyCasualty.html www.facebook.com/forensicgenealogist Certified Genealogist (CG) is a service mark (sm) of the Board for Certification of Genealogists®, conferred to associates who consistently meet ethical and competency standards in accord with peer-reviewed evaluations every five years, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office.

I agree with those who think it is Inman. The first letter, although close to the "J" in John on line 1, more closely resembles the "I" in Israel on line 14. The next letter may be an "r" but if it is then the "m" has 4 humps instead of three, which would make the hump after the "r" most likely an "e" and would result in Ireman. Although, I have to admit I have never heard of a name such as Inman or Ireman and can't even relate them to a valid name. Eileen _______________________________ Eileen A Souza Eldersburg, MD Old Bones Genealogy LLC info@oldbonesgenealogy.com www.oldbonesgenealogy.com

Looks to me like "Junior" could be a possibility. Joyce Rivette Rivette Family Genealogy http://www.rivettefamily.com ----------------------------- From: "Robert M. Ankenbauer Jr." <robert@yesterdaysmysteries.com> To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2012 10:58:37 AM Subject: [TGF] Help with 1860 handwriting Folks, I need some opinions on an 1860 US Census from Worcester MA. I have provided a link to the image. I am looking for assistance with the name on line 8. I have the last name as Dasher, no problem. Unfortunately his first name has been indexed two different ways and I'm not sure I agree with either. I have tried to locate both indexed names and my variation in other online records/ images with no real luck. I will tell you that the enumerator had a tough time with these folks as you can tell by Edward Bowshet on line 2. *http://tinyurl.com/8j7m2xb* * * Any help is appreciated! -- Sincerely, Robert M Ankenbauer Jr -Genealogist- <http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=genealogist> Yesterday's Mysteries PO Box 51 Nutting Lake MA 01865 Visit My Blog <http://yesterdaysmysteries.blogspot.com/> Yesterday's Mysteries; Where your past comes to life! P Go Green: Please do not print this e-mail unless you really need to.

Not spelling errors back then - - they spelled it how they heard/thought it was! No spelling "rules" until early 1900s! On Oct 3, 2012, at 11:19 AM, Connie Sheets wrote: > I had the same reaction as Janis... > > Janis L Gilmore <janis.gilmore@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I agree with Karen that this is a >> tough one. It looks like "Jerman," but the rampant >> misspellings cause me to wonder if the final letter could be >> an "h" and it is an attempt at "Jeremiah?" >> > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Too bad there aren't more capital "T's" on the page for comparison. My best guest is Truman Dasher. GRH > Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 11:58:37 -0400 > From: robert@yesterdaysmysteries.com > To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com > Subject: [TGF] Help with 1860 handwriting > > Folks, > > I need some opinions on an 1860 US Census from Worcester MA. I have > provided a link to the image. I am looking for assistance with the name on > line 8. I have the last name as Dasher, no problem. Unfortunately his first > name has been indexed two different ways and I'm not sure I agree with > either. I have tried to locate both indexed names and my variation in other > online records/ images with no real luck. > > I will tell you that the enumerator had a tough time with these folks as > you can tell by Edward Bowshet on line 2. > > *http://tinyurl.com/8j7m2xb* > * > * > Any help is appreciated! > > -- > Sincerely, > > Robert M Ankenbauer Jr > -Genealogist- <http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=genealogist> > > > Yesterday's Mysteries > PO Box 51 > Nutting Lake MA 01865 > > Visit My Blog <http://yesterdaysmysteries.blogspot.com/> > > > Yesterday's Mysteries; Where your past comes to life! > > P Go Green: Please do not print this e-mail unless you really need to. > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I agree with Greg. It's Inman. The first letter looks more like the "I" in "Isroll/Israel" on line 14 than it does the "J" in "Joanna" on line 10 and "Joseph" on line 12. It would not be "Herman." The "H" in "Helen" on line 24 is significantly different. Honey Ryan handwriting I was thinking it might be Inman? If the first letter is "J", I then agree that it looks a lot like "Jerman". I looked on a couple other pages the guy recorded, and his writing and spelling is indeed atrocious! Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg

I vote that the first letter is J based on the John's and Joseph's and Joanna on the page. It does look like Jerman - maybe Jeremiah or Jerome as root names if you don't think Jerman is likely? Brigid On Oct 3, 2012, at 11:58 AM, Robert M. Ankenbauer Jr. wrote: > Folks, > > I need some opinions on an 1860 US Census from Worcester MA. I have > provided a link to the image. I am looking for assistance with the name on > line 8. I have the last name as Dasher, no problem.

I was thinking it might be Inman? If the first letter is "J", I then agree that it looks a lot like "Jerman". I looked on a couple other pages the guy recorded, and his writing and spelling is indeed atrocious! Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg