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    1. Re: [TGF] Confused by this form
    2. Michele Lewis
    3. This is a fill in the blank form letter. At the bottom it says Form No. 638-2 A.G.O. if that means anything. I can scan it and email it to you if you want to see it. Michele -----Original Message----- From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dave Liesse Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 8:51 PM To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TGF] Confused by this form I certainly can't explain why the document was signed so late. In 1935 the military leaders had put together plans for a draft in case one was reinstituted, and I suppose it's possible they did a review of veterans and found that your great uncle didn't have any type of discharge. "The Discharge from Draft Form No. 638, referred to in Circular 651, was originally prepared for draftees rejected at camp after induction 'on account of physical unfitness, dependency, etc.' ... Had the Armistice not been declared, had respondent gone to Camp Dodge, and had he then been rejected for any reason there, he would have received not an honorable discharge from the Army, but a 'Discharge from Draft.'" (U.S. Supreme Court, Patterson v. Lamb, 329 U.S. 539 (1947), available at http://supreme.nolo.com/us/329/539/case.html). I had never heard of a Discharge from Draft, and this court decision is the only reference I've found so far. At least now we all know what it is! Dave Liesse On 10/9/2012 16:38, Michele Lewis wrote: > I have a "Discharge from Draft" for my great uncle (WWII). This copy > was found in my grandpa's papers. I am not sure why he had it but I > would guess he got the paper when his brother died in 1943. I am not > sure how to cite this paper. I've not seen one of these before. > > Also, the form states that he was inducted on 06 Sep 1918 and was > discharged on 23 Sec 1918 by reason of disability (doesn't say what), > BUT, the form is actually signed 27 Mar 1935! > > Given at Washington D.C. this 27th day of March, 1935 By authority of > the Secretary of War: Chas. C. Quigley, Adjunct General > > Why would they issue this document so long after the event? > > Michele > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    10/09/2012 05:11:52
    1. [TGF] Confused by this form
    2. Michele Lewis
    3. I have a "Discharge from Draft" for my great uncle (WWII). This copy was found in my grandpa's papers. I am not sure why he had it but I would guess he got the paper when his brother died in 1943. I am not sure how to cite this paper. I've not seen one of these before. Also, the form states that he was inducted on 06 Sep 1918 and was discharged on 23 Sec 1918 by reason of disability (doesn't say what), BUT, the form is actually signed 27 Mar 1935! Given at Washington D.C. this 27th day of March, 1935 By authority of the Secretary of War: Chas. C. Quigley, Adjunct General Why would they issue this document so long after the event? Michele

    10/09/2012 01:38:01
    1. Re: [TGF] Confused by this form
    2. Dave Liesse
    3. I certainly can't explain why the document was signed so late. In 1935 the military leaders had put together plans for a draft in case one was reinstituted, and I suppose it's possible they did a review of veterans and found that your great uncle didn't have any type of discharge. "The Discharge from Draft Form No. 638, referred to in Circular 651, was originally prepared for draftees rejected at camp after induction 'on account of physical unfitness, dependency, etc.' ... Had the Armistice not been declared, had respondent gone to Camp Dodge, and had he then been rejected for any reason there, he would have received not an honorable discharge from the Army, but a 'Discharge from Draft.'" (U.S. Supreme Court, Patterson v. Lamb, 329 U.S. 539 (1947), available at http://supreme.nolo.com/us/329/539/case.html). I had never heard of a Discharge from Draft, and this court decision is the only reference I've found so far. At least now we all know what it is! Dave Liesse On 10/9/2012 16:38, Michele Lewis wrote: > I have a "Discharge from Draft" for my great uncle (WWII). This copy was > found in my grandpa's papers. I am not sure why he had it but I would guess > he got the paper when his brother died in 1943. I am not sure how to cite > this paper. I've not seen one of these before. > > Also, the form states that he was inducted on 06 Sep 1918 and was discharged > on 23 Sec 1918 by reason of disability (doesn't say what), BUT, the form is > actually signed 27 Mar 1935! > > Given at Washington D.C. this 27th day of March, 1935 > By authority of the Secretary of War: Chas. C. Quigley, Adjunct General > > Why would they issue this document so long after the event? > > Michele > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    10/09/2012 11:51:17
    1. [TGF] Forensic Genealogy Institute
    2. Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist
    3. Only sixteen days until the Forensic Genealogy Institute. Michael Ramage will present a two-part session on Forensic Genealogy Fees and Contracts, Including Ethics and Liability. Do you know what a controlling law clause is? Is it legal for an attorney to hire a genealogist with payment based on splitting the fees that the lawyer collects from representing the heirs? What is bad faith and unconscionability? Michael is going to teach us! Plus participants will have the opportunity to review actual contracts specifically for forensic genealogists. Although this Forensic Genealogy Institute is booked, Council for the Advancement of Forensic Genealogy is accepting "wait list" registrations to notify folks on a priority basis for the next Institute, possibly as early as the spring. http://www.forensicgenealogists.com/forensic-genealogy-institute.html -- Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist (sm), Certificate 903 Contract Genealogist, US Navy Casualty POW/MIA Branch Co-Director, Forensic Genealogy Institute http://www.forensicgenealogists.com/forensic-genealogy-institute.html Mail address - PO Box 1085, Manvel TX 77578 Telephone/fax 281-595-3090 www.forensicgenealogyservices.com/NavyCasualty.html www.facebook.com/forensicgenealogist Certified Genealogist (CG) is a service mark (sm) of the Board for Certification of Genealogists®, conferred to associates who consistently meet ethical and competency standards in accord with peer-reviewed evaluations every five years, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office.

    10/09/2012 11:42:01
    1. Re: [TGF] Family History Look-up
    2. Kathy Gunter Sullivan, CG
    3. email address: Rootsonomy@gmail.com instructions: <http://rootsonomyblog.blogspot.com/2012/09/free-fhl-lookup-requests.html> On 10/9/2012 10:41 AM, KB Genealogical Services wrote: > I am hoping someone may still have the request link for the Family History > Look-up. > > > > Thank You! > > > > Kristin Bartell > > KB Genealogical Services > > <http://www.kbgenealogicalservices.com/> > http://www.kbgenealogicalservices.com > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    10/09/2012 05:05:32
    1. [TGF] Family History Look-up
    2. KB Genealogical Services
    3. I am hoping someone may still have the request link for the Family History Look-up. Thank You! Kristin Bartell KB Genealogical Services <http://www.kbgenealogicalservices.com/> http://www.kbgenealogicalservices.com

    10/09/2012 01:41:53
    1. Re: [TGF] New England
    2. Erica Voolich
    3. The dispute that I was thinking of was the "oblong" which was disputed land that went to NY and CT got that piece that now juts into NY state at the "bottom." Yet another one! Erica Voolich On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Dave Robison <drr45@msn.com> wrote: > Massachusetts originally claimed all the land from the Atlantic Ocean to > the Hudson River. After much dispute, the Massachustts border was settled > as being 20 miles east of the river. Later, the southwest corner of > Massachusetts was ceded to New York and the boundary was set along a line > created by Mount Washington. In order to get to that corner > of Massachusetts it was necessary to travel a great distance around the > mountain to reach what became New Boston, NY. Governing that bit of > "wilderness" was considered impractical at that time. > > In addtion to the borders of New York and Massachusetts, the southern > border with Conecticut was also in disputer for many years. The border was > finally pushed north to its present site. Woodstock, Connecticut for > example was once in Massachusetts. The only part of the disputed southern > boundary that remained in Massachussets is the very small jag in the border > which encompasses Southwick, Massachusetts. > > This is not the only change. The State of Maine was originally part of > Massachusetts until 1820 when the secession and creation of Maine was part > of the Missouri Compromise. > > > Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 20:55:53 -0400 > > From: voolich@gmail.com > > To: plhgenealogy@gmail.com > > CC: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [TGF] New England > > > > > Since the borders between NY and other states weren't static, maybe some > > clerks thought they were in NY and not in MA or expected to by in NY > rather > > than in CT, etc. I know my ancestors who lived in CT had much better > > records than when they lived just over the border (1-2 miles away) in NY. > > There were border disputes between NY and CT and I'm not sure if that was > > true for MA and NY too. > > Erica Voolich > > > > On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 6:54 PM, Patricia Hobbs <plhgenealogy@gmail.com > >wrote: > > > > > Michelle: even though I do like researching in NE (it's a relatively > new > > > thing for me after researching a lot in vital-record-less Pennsylvania > and > > > New York), it has been discouraging to find that at least in western > > > Massachusetts the vital records did not seem to be recorded at the > time of > > > the event ... or even close in some cases. It seems like all of a > sudden > > > the town clerk would have a fit of responsibility and recorded > information > > > for whoever was living there at the time. But a lot of records seem to > have > > > never been recorded. There are three wives whom I feel very confident > died > > > in a western Massachusetts town, but there's nary a death record for > them. > > > And there are no birth records for one family (at least that I've been > > > able to find) for a family who was in western MA from the mid 1750s. > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Michele Lewis <ancestoring@gmail.com > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > No wonder people like doing research in New England! Not only do I > find > > > a > > > > plethora of vital records but the newspapers carry all of the deaths > and > > > > marriages all the way back. You just don't find this much stuff in > the > > > > south! I am research the Kenrick Family in Charlestown and I am > > > > overwhelmed > > > > with what I am finding with no effort at all. Easy peasy compared to > > > > someone in the deep south in the early 1800s! > > > > > > > > Michele > > > > > > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a > supportive > > > > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they > transition > > > to > > > > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this > list. > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > > > message > > > > > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > > > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they > transition to > > > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this > list. > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Erica Dakin Voolich > > •Genealogist, check out my genealogy blogs > > http://genea-adventures.blogspot.com > > http://ursulawright.blogspot.com > > > > •President > > The Somerville Mathematics Fund, an Affiliate of Dollars for Scholars > > > > Chapter, Winner of the 2011, New England Chapter of the Year Award > > Chapter, Winner of the 2003-2004 *Golden Tassel* Service Award > > > We celebrate and encourage mathematics achievement in Somerville MA! > > http://www.somervillemathematicsfund.org > > > > Become a fan on our Facebook page: > > Facebook | Somerville Mathematics Fund > > > > Check out my blog: > > http://somervillemathematics.blogspot.com/ > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- Erica Dakin Voolich •Genealogist, check out my genealogy blogs http://genea-adventures.blogspot.com http://ursulawright.blogspot.com •President The Somerville Mathematics Fund, an Affiliate of Dollars for Scholars Chapter, Winner of the 2011, New England Chapter of the Year Award Chapter, Winner of the 2003-2004 *Golden Tassel* Service Award We celebrate and encourage mathematics achievement in Somerville MA! http://www.somervillemathematicsfund.org Become a fan on our Facebook page: Facebook | Somerville Mathematics Fund Check out my blog: http://somervillemathematics.blogspot.com/

    10/08/2012 04:18:02
    1. Re: [TGF] New England
    2. Erica Voolich
    3. Since the borders between NY and other states weren't static, maybe some clerks thought they were in NY and not in MA or expected to by in NY rather than in CT, etc. I know my ancestors who lived in CT had much better records than when they lived just over the border (1-2 miles away) in NY. There were border disputes between NY and CT and I'm not sure if that was true for MA and NY too. Erica Voolich On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 6:54 PM, Patricia Hobbs <plhgenealogy@gmail.com>wrote: > Michelle: even though I do like researching in NE (it's a relatively new > thing for me after researching a lot in vital-record-less Pennsylvania and > New York), it has been discouraging to find that at least in western > Massachusetts the vital records did not seem to be recorded at the time of > the event ... or even close in some cases. It seems like all of a sudden > the town clerk would have a fit of responsibility and recorded information > for whoever was living there at the time. But a lot of records seem to have > never been recorded. There are three wives whom I feel very confident died > in a western Massachusetts town, but there's nary a death record for them. > And there are no birth records for one family (at least that I've been > able to find) for a family who was in western MA from the mid 1750s. > > On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Michele Lewis <ancestoring@gmail.com > >wrote: > > > No wonder people like doing research in New England! Not only do I find > a > > plethora of vital records but the newspapers carry all of the deaths and > > marriages all the way back. You just don't find this much stuff in the > > south! I am research the Kenrick Family in Charlestown and I am > > overwhelmed > > with what I am finding with no effort at all. Easy peasy compared to > > someone in the deep south in the early 1800s! > > > > Michele > > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition > to > > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Erica Dakin Voolich •Genealogist, check out my genealogy blogs http://genea-adventures.blogspot.com http://ursulawright.blogspot.com •President The Somerville Mathematics Fund, an Affiliate of Dollars for Scholars Chapter, Winner of the 2011, New England Chapter of the Year Award Chapter, Winner of the 2003-2004 *Golden Tassel* Service Award We celebrate and encourage mathematics achievement in Somerville MA! http://www.somervillemathematicsfund.org Become a fan on our Facebook page: Facebook | Somerville Mathematics Fund Check out my blog: http://somervillemathematics.blogspot.com/

    10/08/2012 02:55:53
    1. Re: [TGF] New England
    2. Dave Robison
    3. There's no doubt that New England, and especially Massachusetts, is a great place for genealogical research. Just down the road from me in Springfield, the Hampden County Registry of Deeds holds original documents dating back to 1636 when Springfield was originally settled. If you can't find what you need there, there are also early 17th, 18th and 19th century documents in the archives at the Museum of Springfield History. > From: ancestoring@gmail.com > To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 11:26:58 -0400 > Subject: [TGF] New England > > No wonder people like doing research in New England! Not only do I find a > plethora of vital records but the newspapers carry all of the deaths and > marriages all the way back. You just don't find this much stuff in the > south! I am research the Kenrick Family in Charlestown and I am overwhelmed > with what I am finding with no effort at all. Easy peasy compared to > someone in the deep south in the early 1800s! > > Michele > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    10/08/2012 02:40:18
    1. Re: [TGF] New England
    2. Patricia Hobbs
    3. Michelle: even though I do like researching in NE (it's a relatively new thing for me after researching a lot in vital-record-less Pennsylvania and New York), it has been discouraging to find that at least in western Massachusetts the vital records did not seem to be recorded at the time of the event ... or even close in some cases. It seems like all of a sudden the town clerk would have a fit of responsibility and recorded information for whoever was living there at the time. But a lot of records seem to have never been recorded. There are three wives whom I feel very confident died in a western Massachusetts town, but there's nary a death record for them. And there are no birth records for one family (at least that I've been able to find) for a family who was in western MA from the mid 1750s. On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Michele Lewis <ancestoring@gmail.com>wrote: > No wonder people like doing research in New England! Not only do I find a > plethora of vital records but the newspapers carry all of the deaths and > marriages all the way back. You just don't find this much stuff in the > south! I am research the Kenrick Family in Charlestown and I am > overwhelmed > with what I am finding with no effort at all. Easy peasy compared to > someone in the deep south in the early 1800s! > > Michele > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    10/08/2012 11:54:04
    1. [TGF] New England
    2. Michele Lewis
    3. No wonder people like doing research in New England! Not only do I find a plethora of vital records but the newspapers carry all of the deaths and marriages all the way back. You just don't find this much stuff in the south! I am research the Kenrick Family in Charlestown and I am overwhelmed with what I am finding with no effort at all. Easy peasy compared to someone in the deep south in the early 1800s! Michele

    10/08/2012 05:26:58
    1. Re: [TGF] Buried a month later?
    2. Michele Lewis
    3. Thanks for looking at it for me. This is the first time I have gotten to look at New England records. I have always been jealous of those who have extensive NE roots because of all of the available vital records. It isn't like that here in the south :) I wish this was my family. Actually, it IS in my family in a weird sort of way. The lady I am doing the research for, her husband is remotely related to my husband by marriage. I will check the newspapers today. Michele -----Original Message----- From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Fortier Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 12:28 AM To: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TGF] Buried a month later? Hi Michele, I looked at the Charlestown register page for Ruth Kenrick's death on Ancestry as part of the Massachusetts Town records collection (stamped p 56, Charlestown Archives Deaths). I have worked a bit with the MA vital records but usually later dates. I was also surprised at such a delay for a burial. If this is the record you are looking at, the last column with a date of December 3, 1853 indicates the date registered. It would make sense that there would be some variation in the registration date of the records. This format does not give a burial date, just the cemetery (New Burial Ground) and the undertaker or informant. You may want to try to find a newspaper notice and/or locate the cemetery. Also, Charlestown was annexed by Boston in 1874 so the cemetery is now part of Boston. Margaret I rarely do research in the northeast. I prefer to confine myself to the familiar territory of the deep south ? I am looking at a death register book from Charlestown Massachusetts. Ruth A. Kenrick died on 05 Nov 1853 but was buried on 03 Dec 1853. The other persons on the page follow this same pattern. I know that up in the cold NE that even today they will hold bodies until the spring to bury them because the ground is too hard, I get that. But in this case both the death and the burial is in the dead of winter so I can't figure out why you would wait a month to bury someone. Michele The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    10/08/2012 02:13:58
    1. Re: [TGF] Buried a month later?
    2. Margaret Fortier
    3. Hi Michele, I looked at the Charlestown register page for Ruth Kenrick's death on Ancestry as part of the Massachusetts Town records collection (stamped p 56, Charlestown Archives Deaths). I have worked a bit with the MA vital records but usually later dates. I was also surprised at such a delay for a burial. If this is the record you are looking at, the last column with a date of December 3, 1853 indicates the date registered. It would make sense that there would be some variation in the registration date of the records. This format does not give a burial date, just the cemetery (New Burial Ground) and the undertaker or informant. You may want to try to find a newspaper notice and/or locate the cemetery. Also, Charlestown was annexed by Boston in 1874 so the cemetery is now part of Boston. Margaret I rarely do research in the northeast. I prefer to confine myself to the familiar territory of the deep south ? I am looking at a death register book from Charlestown Massachusetts. Ruth A. Kenrick died on 05 Nov 1853 but was buried on 03 Dec 1853. The other persons on the page follow this same pattern. I know that up in the cold NE that even today they will hold bodies until the spring to bury them because the ground is too hard, I get that. But in this case both the death and the burial is in the dead of winter so I can't figure out why you would wait a month to bury someone. Michele

    10/07/2012 06:27:57
    1. Re: [TGF] death and burial some time apart
    2. Karen Rhodes
    3. On 10/7/2012 2:47 PM, susi c pentico wrote: > Yup Life happens and lots of times it is not the so called NORMAL STUFF. They could be waiting for kin, for a thaw, doesn't matter it happened. > Susi > > A great-granduncle of mine, grandfather of a cousin of mine in Indiana, beats all. He died in 1949. His remains were cremated but never claimed. They remained in the basement of the funeral home, which was bought by another funeral home company, until my cousin investigated and found them -- in 2004! So his grandfather, my great-granduncle, died in 1949 and was buried in 2004. Karen Packard Rhodes currently residing in Pinellas Park, Pinellas County, Florida

    10/07/2012 09:48:43
    1. Re: [TGF] death and burial some time apart
    2. Debra MacLaughlan-Dumes
    3. On Oct 7, 2012, at 12:48 PM, Karen Rhodes wrote: > A great-granduncle of mine, grandfather of a cousin of mine in Indiana, > beats all. He died in 1949. His remains were cremated but never > claimed. They remained in the basement of the funeral home, which was > bought by another funeral home company, until my cousin investigated and > found them -- in 2004! So his grandfather, my great-granduncle, died in > 1949 and was buried in 2004. Almost the exact thing happened with my paternal grandparents. They died in 1956 and 1958 respectively in Southern California. I had their death certificates and autopsy reports, which indicated that the remains were cremated. No interment place was mentioned and my father never talked about a burial. Because my dad and mom arranged to be cremated with ashes scattered, I assumed this had been the case with my grandparents too. Flash forward to a month ago. I Googled my grandfather's name (Alva Elwood MacLaughlan) in any possible permutation, hoping to find some clue where he might have been in the 1940 census, and up popped a record from the Santa Barbara Cemetery in Santa Barbara, California, in a transcription provided by the Santa Barbara Genealogical Society. Alva and his wife Marie had been interred there in 1991. I called the cemetery and they looked up the interment record. My aunt, Alva's and Marie's daughter, had arranged and paid for the niches using a pseudonym. A new burial permit was issued for September 1991, there was no service, and no one was present. Needless to say, none of the family was told that this happened. My aunt has since withdrawn from the family and refuses to be contacted, even by her own children, so I'll likely never find out the reason for the delayed burial. I asked the cemetery officer whether there was any paperwork indicating a previous burial or interment and he said there was nothing. He did mention that it's more common than most people realize that family members would hold onto ashes for years or even decades before deciding what to do with them. It does give me pause. Perhaps every time I visited my aunt as a youngster, my grandparents were in the garage or attic or somewhere, a lot closer than I ever realized. Best regards, Debra MacLaughlan Dumes http://sakionline.net/familypage/

    10/07/2012 07:11:54
    1. Re: [TGF] Buried a month later?
    2. IsraelP
    3. Surely, Rick, your records have a note of explanation for the benefit of anyone looking at them later. Israel Pickholtz Jerusalem blogging weekly at http://allmyforeparents.blogspot.com. On 7 Oct 2012 at 1:00, transitional-genealogists-forum- request@roTRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 6, Is wrote: > With modern records there are always lots of situations that could > cause future genealogists to do a double take if they only look at the > statistics. My father donated his body to science. The school sends > the ashes back to the family (if they want them) about a year later. > In picking a time for "burial" when everyone could get together, his > ashes were buried about 2 years after he died. Anyone looking at just > the death and burial dates in my records would thing one was wrong. > > Rick Saunders

    10/07/2012 06:13:08
    1. [TGF] death and burial some time apart
    2. susi c pentico
    3. Yup Life happens and lots of times it is not the so called NORMAL STUFF. They could be waiting for kin, for a thaw, doesn't matter it happened. Susi

    10/07/2012 05:47:30
    1. [TGF] Alabama Research
    2. Kelly Holderbaum
    3. Hi, Is there anyone who can do some Mobile Alabama research? Please email me if you can! Kelly Holderbaum   Kelly Coghan Holderbaum Genealogist Sunny Ancestry http://sunnyancestry.com/

    10/07/2012 05:22:21
    1. Re: [TGF] Buried a month later?
    2. Eileen Souza
    3. My husband's aunt was recently buried in Massachusetts but she died in Georgia--eight months ago. You can never tell what may cause delays. In this case, her daughter was Executer, but then the brother died; then a couple months later the daughter's son died. All of this delayed the arrangements for the transfer of her mother to another state. Eileen _______________________________ Eileen A Souza Eldersburg, MD Old Bones Genealogy LLC info@oldbonesgenealogy.com www.oldbonesgenealogy.com > -----Original Message----- > From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Michele Lewis > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 12:45 PM > To: TGF Mailing List > Subject: [TGF] Buried a month later? > > I rarely do research in the northeast. I prefer to confine myself to the familiar > territory of the deep south ☺ I am looking at a death register book from > Charlestown Massachusetts. Ruth A. Kenrick died on 05 Nov 1853 but was buried > on 03 Dec 1853. The other persons on the page follow this same pattern. I > know that up in the cold NE that even today they will hold bodies until the spring > to bury them because the ground is too hard, I get that. But in this case both the > death and the burial is in the dead of winter so I can't figure out why you would > wait a month to bury someone. > > Michele > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL- > GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    10/06/2012 04:53:25
    1. Re: [TGF] Buried a month later?
    2. Yolanda Campbell Lifter
    3. My grandfather died 1939 in Ohio and was buried 11 days after his death. The family was awaiting arrival of his daughter from Hawaii so she would be able to attend his funeral. ______________________________ Yolanda Campbell Lifter http://www.OhioFamilyResearch.com member, Association of Professional Genealogists http://www.apgen.org

    10/06/2012 03:25:36