This might help. http://www.archive.org/stream/parishregisterla00crus/parishregisterla00crus_djvu.txt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Suplick" <jean.suplick@gmail.com> To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 9:47:21 AM Subject: [TGF] Latin translation I am trying to interpret Catholic church registers from Poland in the 1880's and need some help translating the Latin text in the column headings. I've tried several online language translator tools, with poor results. Although I get the gist of some of these, I'd like to know exactly what they mean. Are there any good references you use for this sort of thing, short of consulting a local Catholic parish priest to see if they remember their Latin? 1. Nomen sacerdotis benedictis matrimonium. 2. Nomen et cognomen copulatorum denominatio domicilii, status artis vel conditionis vitae, et utrum in ecclesia an in privato copulati sint. 3. Num copulati vel una pars eorum antea vinculo matrimonii obscricti aut obscricta fuit, num sub potestate parentum vel tutorum existent. 4. Num cum consensu parentum vel tutorum, vel judicii tutelaris matrimonium contactum sit 5. Dies promulgationum 6. Num cum dispensatione aliqua matrimonium contraxerunt et de quo dato. Thanks for you help, Jean Suplick Plano, Texas The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Regarding Find A Grave, one I am struggling to find much help there so I signed up to place the ones I know there for others to find. 2. Many societies that I am aware of have people capture and place data up so it is not lost and can be found by unknown kin. I used to clip Obits from paper for our society to put in binder. I do not think anyone is doing that any more. The paper has made them available. 3. Purpose of Find A Grave is to share the death information, I like that because cost of Obits in ten papers is prohibitive. 4. If you listen to people at a Brick Wall chat you will find that it is an Obituary that many times helps them to find their kin or missing link. 5. I am sorry people feel so sensitive to the situation, Maybe it is the reason my parents requested no grave stones, No it really is because Dad's sis does not have one yet. I hope to remedy that this winter. Then I can place theirs next. Maybe Find A Grave needs to align how they want you to put up a marker so it does not become a memorial by someone else. But by whom ever it is, a positive thing to have one remembered. I hope this helps set the prospective of what most are attempting to do. Blessings, Susi

I will say that someone posted a photo request in my area of a 16 year old boy that had died in a car wreck about 2 weeks earlier. I just couldn't do it. I didn't claim the request. The boy was the son of the pastor of the church down the road from me. Michele

I just wanted to let everyone know that I appreciate their condolences on my brother's loss and that I'm not overly angered by the placement of this memorial. I just didn't understand it, really. FAG is about burials, not memorials - my brother wasn't buried and even if he was, this contributor clearly has no further information about it. I don't know this person at all, so I assume they just found the notice in the paper. It's not even the obituary, as that wasn't published in that state and nothing from the obituary is included. Why put someone who has no grave on FAG? I am mystified. At any rate, my family and I asked the person to remove it, and I hope they will comply. Dana

I was stunned when I found my son's monument uploaded by someone I don't know on FAG. My heart just plunged to my stomach. I actually felt a sense of terror I cannot explain. It was reminiscent of being absolutely unable to bring Ryan back, no matter how much I bargained with God. It felt like that total lack of control. I feel very proprietary of Ryan's grave site, tending to the landscaping and keeping candles lit... weeding surrounding graves.  It was a shock that someone I don't know owns Ryan's entry on FAG when I didn't want it up there at all. But I do see that Ryan's information was added by someone with compassion. So I just let it sit.   Sherry www.1StopGenealogy.net ________________________________ From: Michele Lewis <ancestoring@gmail.com> To: 'Suzanne ' <t4tsinda@bigpond.com> Cc: 'TGF' <TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [TGF] Innappropriate listings on Find a grave or elsewhere. I will say that someone posted a photo request in my area of a 16 year old boy that had died in a car wreck about 2 weeks earlier.  I just couldn't do it.  I didn't claim the request.  The boy was the son of the pastor of the church down the road from me. Michele The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Asking as novice, can you help get me started with this citation? I engaged the services of a gentleman in Poland to locate baptismal and marriage records. The records are housed at the the Archdiocesan Archives of Gniezno, and the Archdioces refers genealogists to this gentleman. He replied via two emails, each with a group of attached digital photographs of the various church register entries. However, there was no professional report giving all the detailed information one would expect from a certified professional. (He does not advertize himself as a certified professional.) I'm in the process of exchanging emails to get better details for each record. How should I approach citing this information? As an email? Thanks, Jean Suplick

When my mom got sick in 1996 I was the one who took care of  her.  She moved in with us and I stayed with her when she was in the hospital too, sleeping on the floor because the nurses didn't want me there (mom was on the geriatric ward and there was one RN for 30 patients, plus 1 LPN and 2 aides).  When she died I went through the whole guilt thing, thinking I hadn't done enough and I nearly ended up in the psych ward. About a week after her funeral I received what appeared to be a condolence card.  It was from the monument company across the street from the cemetery.  Along with their "so sorry for your loss" was a bid for a headstone to match my dad's - with a picture of his enclosed.  Of course, you could see her flower covered grave next to his. I was so angry that I called them and said that hell would freeze over before they would get any business from me.  I couldn't fathom why they would be that uncaring.  It was just so shocking to see that picture, so I can understand how any "announcement" or memorial would cut someone so deep.   Cathy Champion in Fenton, MO 63026 (near St. Louis)   "When a man loves cats, I am his friend and comrade without further introduction" - Mark Twain ________________________________ From: Michele Lewis ancestoring@gmail.com I will say that someone posted a photo request in my area of a 16 year old boy that had died in a car wreck about 2 weeks earlier.  I just couldn't do it.  I didn't claim the request.  The boy was the son of the pastor of the church down the road from me.

We all have to start somewhere, and I think that most people who post at Find a Grave have good intentions but not necessarily the correct procedure.    If I find something that's wrong I'll send a short email with the correction and a "thank you" for  their time.  If they use info from the cemetery records/gravestones themselves, those may be incorrect at the start.     Maybe I'm wrong, but I appreciate the wrong stuff too because sometimes it supplies me with somewhere else to look and, just maybe, I'll find what's correct or missing for my files.     I'd be thrilled to find something, right or wrong, on my maternal grandmother.  She was one of a set of triplets left in a St. Louis orphanage at birth.  No first or last names, no birth dates; nothing to go on.  She used different given and maiden names on all three of her daughters' birth certificates.  If a name caught her fancy, she used it.  Her husband's name is the only thing that's consistent on them; she even played around with various combinations of birth dates.    Cathy Champion in Fenton, MO 63026 (near St. Louis)   "When a man loves cats, I am his friend and comrade without further introduction" - Mark Twain ________________________________ From: "Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist" <king@forensicgenealogyservices.com> To: Erica Voolich <voolich@gmail.com> Cc: TGF <TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, October 14, 2012 7:59:23 PM Subject: Re: [TGF] Find-A-Grave This is what happens when folks care more about being in the game, than in doing the right thing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erica Voolich" <voolich@gmail.com> To: "Genealady" <genealady@gmail.com> Cc: "TGF" <TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 12:42:08 PM Subject: Re: [TGF] Find-A-Grave Dana My condolences on your loss.  That is terrible. I thought the family should be the "owner" of the page on a person if there was one available. If you don't want your brother up, I think you should ask them to take it down. Erica On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Genealady <genealady@gmail.com> wrote: > I was shocked to find someone had put my brother on findagrave when he > died last week. The information was taken from the newspaper and he was NOT > buried. He was cremated and we don't even have his ashes yet. I am still > sorely tempted to ask them to remove it. Erroneous and disrespectful in my > opinion. > > Dana > > On Oct 14, 2012, at 10:21 AM, "Donna McR" <donna316@tx.rr.com> wrote: > > > Silly me.  Until recently, I thought the postings on Find-a-Grave were > > sourced from literally reading the gravestones and/or taking photographs. > > In the absence of these, I thought at least some evidence was available > that > > the person was buried there---by cemetery records or at least by personal > > knowledge that the grave actually existed in that place.  Any dates > attached > > to the posting I thought were sourced with one or all of the above. > > > > However, lately I have been seeing graves posted, along with birth and > death > > dates and information about immediate family, that are just incorrect. > The > > erroneous information just happens to match some incorrect information > also > > passed around on internet family trees. > > > > These persons are posting **as fact** information that has no basis of > > proof.  It weakens the credibility of the whole project. > > > > So frustrating. > > > > Warmest Regards, > > > > Donna > > > > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. 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This is what happens when folks care more about being in the game, than in doing the right thing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erica Voolich" <voolich@gmail.com> To: "Genealady" <genealady@gmail.com> Cc: "TGF" <TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 12:42:08 PM Subject: Re: [TGF] Find-A-Grave Dana My condolences on your loss. That is terrible. I thought the family should be the "owner" of the page on a person if there was one available. If you don't want your brother up, I think you should ask them to take it down. Erica On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Genealady <genealady@gmail.com> wrote: > I was shocked to find someone had put my brother on findagrave when he > died last week. The information was taken from the newspaper and he was NOT > buried. He was cremated and we don't even have his ashes yet. I am still > sorely tempted to ask them to remove it. Erroneous and disrespectful in my > opinion. > > Dana > > On Oct 14, 2012, at 10:21 AM, "Donna McR" <donna316@tx.rr.com> wrote: > > > Silly me. Until recently, I thought the postings on Find-a-Grave were > > sourced from literally reading the gravestones and/or taking photographs. > > In the absence of these, I thought at least some evidence was available > that > > the person was buried there---by cemetery records or at least by personal > > knowledge that the grave actually existed in that place. Any dates > attached > > to the posting I thought were sourced with one or all of the above. > > > > However, lately I have been seeing graves posted, along with birth and > death > > dates and information about immediate family, that are just incorrect. > The > > erroneous information just happens to match some incorrect information > also > > passed around on internet family trees. > > > > These persons are posting **as fact** information that has no basis of > > proof. It weakens the credibility of the whole project. > > > > So frustrating. > > > > Warmest Regards, > > > > Donna > > > > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Erica Dakin Voolich •Genealogist, check out my genealogy blogs http://genea-adventures.blogspot.com http://ursulawright.blogspot.com •President The Somerville Mathematics Fund, an Affiliate of Dollars for Scholars Chapter, Winner of the 2011, New England Chapter of the Year Award Chapter, Winner of the 2003-2004 *Golden Tassel* Service Award We celebrate and encourage mathematics achievement in Somerville MA! http://www.somervillemathematicsfund.org Become a fan on our Facebook page: Facebook | Somerville Mathematics Fund Check out my blog: http://somervillemathematics.blogspot.com/ The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I find tons of cenotaph sites for my Navy cases and other military personnel listed on find A Grave. Frequently have to correct a family member that, indeed, their uncle whatever relation, was not buried there, that this is a memorial marker. best regards, Dee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna McR" <donna316@tx.rr.com> To: "TGF" <TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 12:21:25 PM Subject: Re: [TGF] Find-A-Grave Silly me. Until recently, I thought the postings on Find-a-Grave were sourced from literally reading the gravestones and/or taking photographs. In the absence of these, I thought at least some evidence was available that the person was buried there---by cemetery records or at least by personal knowledge that the grave actually existed in that place. Any dates attached to the posting I thought were sourced with one or all of the above. However, lately I have been seeing graves posted, along with birth and death dates and information about immediate family, that are just incorrect. The erroneous information just happens to match some incorrect information also passed around on internet family trees. These persons are posting **as fact** information that has no basis of proof. It weakens the credibility of the whole project. So frustrating. Warmest Regards, Donna The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Part of that is because to request a photo, you first have to create a memorial. I have lots of ancestors and their siblings that I know from other records when they were born or died. Ancestors and their siblings are the only people for whom I have created memorials (in order to get a photo). So, the memorial is created with full dates. Later, when someone takes a picture (I still have some photo requests from 5 years ago that haven't been filled), if it only has years, and not full dates, I don't edit the memorial to years only. Rick Saunders -----Original Message----- From: Connie Sheets Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [TGF] Find-A-Grave (Citing as a Source) <snip> My favorite (and a frequent) Find-A-Grave error is when I see a gravestone photo with only the year of birth or death, yet the FAG memorial lists full dates. That, of course, is still a valuable clue that can lead to obituaries, death certificates, etc.

Dana My condolences on your loss. That is terrible. I thought the family should be the "owner" of the page on a person if there was one available. If you don't want your brother up, I think you should ask them to take it down. Erica On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Genealady <genealady@gmail.com> wrote: > I was shocked to find someone had put my brother on findagrave when he > died last week. The information was taken from the newspaper and he was NOT > buried. He was cremated and we don't even have his ashes yet. I am still > sorely tempted to ask them to remove it. Erroneous and disrespectful in my > opinion. > > Dana > > On Oct 14, 2012, at 10:21 AM, "Donna McR" <donna316@tx.rr.com> wrote: > > > Silly me. Until recently, I thought the postings on Find-a-Grave were > > sourced from literally reading the gravestones and/or taking photographs. > > In the absence of these, I thought at least some evidence was available > that > > the person was buried there---by cemetery records or at least by personal > > knowledge that the grave actually existed in that place. Any dates > attached > > to the posting I thought were sourced with one or all of the above. > > > > However, lately I have been seeing graves posted, along with birth and > death > > dates and information about immediate family, that are just incorrect. > The > > erroneous information just happens to match some incorrect information > also > > passed around on internet family trees. > > > > These persons are posting **as fact** information that has no basis of > > proof. It weakens the credibility of the whole project. > > > > So frustrating. > > > > Warmest Regards, > > > > Donna > > > > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Erica Dakin Voolich •Genealogist, check out my genealogy blogs http://genea-adventures.blogspot.com http://ursulawright.blogspot.com •President The Somerville Mathematics Fund, an Affiliate of Dollars for Scholars Chapter, Winner of the 2011, New England Chapter of the Year Award Chapter, Winner of the 2003-2004 *Golden Tassel* Service Award We celebrate and encourage mathematics achievement in Somerville MA! http://www.somervillemathematicsfund.org Become a fan on our Facebook page: Facebook | Somerville Mathematics Fund Check out my blog: http://somervillemathematics.blogspot.com/

Silly me. Until recently, I thought the postings on Find-a-Grave were sourced from literally reading the gravestones and/or taking photographs. In the absence of these, I thought at least some evidence was available that the person was buried there---by cemetery records or at least by personal knowledge that the grave actually existed in that place. Any dates attached to the posting I thought were sourced with one or all of the above. However, lately I have been seeing graves posted, along with birth and death dates and information about immediate family, that are just incorrect. The erroneous information just happens to match some incorrect information also passed around on internet family trees. These persons are posting **as fact** information that has no basis of proof. It weakens the credibility of the whole project. So frustrating. Warmest Regards, Donna

Harold's points are why I make a habit of indicating in my working citations to Find-A-Grave whether there is an image of the gravestone, and whether the image is readable and matches the supposed inscriptions. My favorite (and a frequent) Find-A-Grave error is when I see a gravestone photo with only the year of birth or death, yet the FAG memorial lists full dates. That, of course, is still a valuable clue that can lead to obituaries, death certificates, etc. I've known it is possible (for a variety of reasons) that a person isn't buried in a particular cemetery, or that the information about that cemetery at FAG is wrong, but thanks to Michelle for alerting us to evidence that there can also be blatant fraud. Connie Harold Henderson wrote: > Thanks, Michele. We can all use the > reminder that photographs are not > unquestionable truth, especially when it can be so > convenient to think that > they are. > > In more mundane realms of well-meant errors, many Find A > Grave postings > include information not found on the grave marker, and not > otherwise > sourced: that is, information the poster thinks they know > but did not > bother to explain why. These can sometimes be cross-checked > against more > careful or earlier readings of the same cemetery. > > But in the end there still is no substitute for primary > information: being > there or having a trusted friend or colleague be there for > you. > > Harold >

Correction: I didn't have to go through Find-A-Grave; I believe the first step is to ask the person who created the memorial to transfer it to you, which in this case the person gratiously did. Connie Sheets <clsheets1@yahoo.com> wrote: > Dana, > > Something similar happened to me not long ago when a close > family member passed away.  A complete stranger posted > her obituary on the site several days before she was > buried.  She would have been horrified that she was > listed as buried when she wasn't (yet).  I was > horrified that detailed information about survivors that I > thought was only going to be published in a small town > newspaper and on a very small, rural mortuary's website was > posted on Find-A-Grave. I asked the person who created the > memorial to remove the obituary (which she did), then I > asked Find-A-Grave to transfer management of the memorial to > me, which they did. > > I suspect if more people knew how accessible obituaries are > today, there would be a lot less information about survivors > in obituaries.  > > Connie > > > I was shocked to find someone had put > > my brother on findagrave when he died last week. The > > information was taken from the newspaper and he was > NOT > > buried. He was cremated and we don't even have his > ashes > > yet. I am still sorely tempted to ask them to remove > it. > > Erroneous and disrespectful in my opinion. > > > > Dana > >

Dana, Something similar happened to me not long ago when a close family member passed away. A complete stranger posted her obituary on the site several days before she was buried. She would have been horrified that she was listed as buried when she wasn't (yet). I was horrified that detailed information about survivors that I thought was only going to be published in a small town newspaper and on a very small, rural mortuary's website was posted on Find-A-Grave. I asked the person who created the memorial to remove the obituary (which she did), then I asked Find-A-Grave to transfer management of the memorial to me, which they did. I suspect if more people knew how accessible obituaries are today, there would be a lot less information about survivors in obituaries. Connie > I was shocked to find someone had put > my brother on findagrave when he died last week. The > information was taken from the newspaper and he was NOT > buried. He was cremated and we don't even have his ashes > yet. I am still sorely tempted to ask them to remove it. > Erroneous and disrespectful in my opinion. > > Dana >

I tried for the longest time to get someone to eliminate or at least replace a photo of a cemetery with the correct one. He had a photo of a totally different cemetery - same county, different town. He informed me I was wrong and that he had the correct cemetery. When I informed him I lived next to the correct cemetery, he said he'd never even been to the cemeteries in question and someone else "who he trusted" sent him the photo. After about two years, the photo was corrected. I use the information as clues and try to sort out what is true and what is someone's imagination. Frustrating to say the least.  While it might seem disrespectful to post incorrect info, especially within days of a death, I'm guessing it is a case of being over zealous and really the contributors just want to help. Unfortunately posting incorrect information isn't helpful. If we survived the contributors we'd probably find few are really genealogists.   Ann L. Wells ________________________________ From: Genealady <genealady@gmail.com> To: Cc: TGF <TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [TGF] Find-A-Grave I was shocked to find someone had put my brother on findagrave when he died last week. The information was taken from the newspaper and he was NOT buried. He was cremated and we don't even have his ashes yet. I am still sorely tempted to ask them to remove it. Erroneous and disrespectful in my opinion. Dana On Oct 14, 2012, at 10:21 AM, "Donna McR" <donna316@tx.rr.com> wrote: > Silly me.  Until recently, I thought the postings on Find-a-Grave were > sourced from literally reading the gravestones and/or taking photographs. > In the absence of these, I thought at least some evidence was available that > the person was buried there---by cemetery records or at least by personal > knowledge that the grave actually existed in that place.  Any dates attached > to the posting I thought were sourced with one or all of the above. > > However, lately I have been seeing graves posted, along with birth and death > dates and information about immediate family, that are just incorrect.  The > erroneous information just happens to match some incorrect information also > passed around on internet family trees. > > These persons are posting **as fact** information that has no basis of > proof.  It weakens the credibility of the whole project. > > So frustrating. > > Warmest Regards, > > Donna > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As someone who digitally restores photos, I agree that Harold's reminder is an important one. Even before Photoshop, it was possible to place information in photos that wasn't really there (19th century "spirit" photographs and the famous fairy hoax come to mind). Sometime there are discussions in the restoration community about how far to take a photograph. For example, fixing the tone of a faded photograph to bring out the detail is one thing. Recreating missing portions of a photograph that has been ripped, for instance, is another. In some cases, the recreation may seem harmless. Half of Great-Grandpa is missing from a photo, for example. The restorer could recreate his full body by cloning the visible half. This would create a nice photograph for a family album. However, a historian studying that same restoration may be trying to count the number of buttons on Grandpa's jacket to recreate the clothing of the period. That historian may be misled if they don't realize that they are not looking at an original. -Elroy On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Harold Henderson <librarytraveler@gmail.com > wrote: > Thanks, Michele. We can all use the reminder that photographs are not > unquestionable truth, especially when it can be so convenient to think that > they are. >

Dana, I am sorry about the passing of your brother.  My condolences are with you and your family.   Yes, contact Find A Grace.  They are every bit as much concerned about the integrity of their site.  I once contacted them about my mother's memorial someone else had posted.  That someone was no longer receiving e-mails from the public and FAG had to contact them directly.  That gentleman kindly transferred my mother's memorial over to me, and I was able to correct the information and add to it.    Generally, whenever I post anything on Find A Grave, I do source my information within the body of the bio.  That way, anyone can re-trace my steps and can verify the information I have posted.   I am not interested in posting entire large cemeteries as some do.  But I have posted three small cemeteries - all known burials.  I have studied the history and the background of the cemeteries, and those buried in them.  And that is only because I have a personal interest in them since my some of my ancestors are buried there.  I have been helped by some persons who went afterward (unknown to me) and photographed the stones and they did a wonderful job.  And the information on the pictures match all my notes and information in those three cemeteries.   It's sad that a few "bad apples" ruin the integrity of well meaning sites.   I would encourage you to contact Find A Grave.  Good luck!   Cheryl Proctor Southern Indiana   ________________________________ From: Genealady <genealady@gmail.com> To: Cc: TGF <TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [TGF] Find-A-Grave I was shocked to find someone had put my brother on findagrave when he died last week. The information was taken from the newspaper and he was NOT buried. He was cremated and we don't even have his ashes yet. I am still sorely tempted to ask them to remove it. Erroneous and disrespectful in my opinion. Dana On Oct 14, 2012, at 10:21 AM, "Donna McR" <donna316@tx.rr.com> wrote: > Silly me.  Until recently, I thought the postings on Find-a-Grave were > sourced from literally reading the gravestones and/or taking photographs. > In the absence of these, I thought at least some evidence was available that > the person was buried there---by cemetery records or at least by personal > knowledge that the grave actually existed in that place.  Any dates attached > to the posting I thought were sourced with one or all of the above. > > However, lately I have been seeing graves posted, along with birth and death > dates and information about immediate family, that are just incorrect.  The > erroneous information just happens to match some incorrect information also > passed around on internet family trees. > > These persons are posting **as fact** information that has no basis of > proof.  It weakens the credibility of the whole project. > > So frustrating. > > Warmest Regards, > > Donna > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I was shocked to find someone had put my brother on findagrave when he died last week. The information was taken from the newspaper and he was NOT buried. He was cremated and we don't even have his ashes yet. I am still sorely tempted to ask them to remove it. Erroneous and disrespectful in my opinion. Dana On Oct 14, 2012, at 10:21 AM, "Donna McR" <donna316@tx.rr.com> wrote: > Silly me. Until recently, I thought the postings on Find-a-Grave were > sourced from literally reading the gravestones and/or taking photographs. > In the absence of these, I thought at least some evidence was available that > the person was buried there---by cemetery records or at least by personal > knowledge that the grave actually existed in that place. Any dates attached > to the posting I thought were sourced with one or all of the above. > > However, lately I have been seeing graves posted, along with birth and death > dates and information about immediate family, that are just incorrect. The > erroneous information just happens to match some incorrect information also > passed around on internet family trees. > > These persons are posting **as fact** information that has no basis of > proof. It weakens the credibility of the whole project. > > So frustrating. > > Warmest Regards, > > Donna > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message