I love Find-a-Grave and have found a lot of ancestors. I have made several requests for photos and volunteers have been great to fulfill the request. I even manage a few of my own ancestor's memorials. But, I have never understood these memorials for people who are not buried in a cemetery. Isn't that the point of Find-a-Grave, to find grave site locations of people buried in cemeteries? Why would someone put up obituaries before they are buried? Many people today are not even buried. My parents weren't. Lisa Gorrell On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 6:09 PM, Michele Lewis <ancestoring@gmail.com>wrote: > There is a man in the Augusta, GA that uploads all of the obits from the > Augusta Chronicle every day. I am sure he thinks he is doing a service but > this has always bothered me. > > I wonder if F-A-G should have something like a 10 year rule. No memorial > unless the person has been deceased for 10 years. > > > Michele > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Connie Sheets > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 8:54 PM > To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com > Subject: [TGF] Find A Grave > > I appreciate Find-A-Grave and its volunteers, use it often, and upload > photographs of gravestones whenever possible. I agree that most people > probably think they are creating the memorials as a service. Canvassing > cemeteries, photographing gravestones, etc. is a wonderful service. > > As one of the so-called "complainers," however, I think it is important to > clarify that my problem is with RECENT DEATHS where there is no gravestone > to photograph or transcribe. > > While the people who are copying recent obituaries and death notices > willy-nilly may have the best of intentions, those intentions are > misguided. > If I'd wanted an online "memorial" to my mother posted within three days of > her death, I would have arranged for it. If I'd wanted her obituary > published on Find-A-Grave, or anywhere other than the places I chose to > publish it, I would have done so. > > Others have expressed more eloquently than I can the emotional jolt that > can > occur when one discovers a complete stranger has taken it upon themselves > to > add their recently deceased loved one to FindAGrave. I just ask that, in > our > passion to promote genealogy, we be more sensitive to the fact that there > may be family members, especially of a recently deceased person, who think > differently than we do about online services like FindAGrave. > > Connie > > > > > > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I can't believe all the complaints I have seen about findagrave.com on this list. I have worked my backside off going around to cemeteries and taking pictures of grave markers and researching each and every one of them and putting information on findagrave.com. I have been thanked by many a genealogists for my work, only got one complaint from one family and I am now convinced they would complain even if they were hung with a new rope! Really, I'm serious, I would be more than happy to hang onto my photographs and not do the information. When I have been stuck on one, I go to ancestry or familysearch and research these people and a lot of times there is NO death information that the family has and checking every resource I have, I can't find it, except it's on the grave marker. IF someone has gone and watched obits, then put your loved one on, just ask for a transfer, most people would do it gladly!! I see any more complaints, I would be more than happy to sit back with my photos and you can pay me for the work that I do instead of me giving it away for FREE!! Kathleen -----Original Message----- From: jms@top2bottom.net Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 3:16 PM To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: [TGF] Find a Grave I have found many of my close relatives listed on find a grave, dead fred or separate website listing all buried in a particular cemetery. None put up by family members. I believe this goes along the lines of SSDI being public....ditto obits, etc. I believe it is people doing genealogy that want the information available to any relative that might be searching. I know of many genealogical societies that record and post entire cemeteries, some just the info, some with photos and some with additional details from research they have done. FAG has what is called a Virtual Cemetery where you can list people without an actual cemetery, so it is for memorials. There is also a leave flowers and a note, I have just this to correct any bad information. I fear too many start complaining about loved ones listed then it will turn into another resource that the government might poke their head into and limit access. Jill www.jillsgenealogy.com The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

When a bounty land warrant was assigned to another individual for patent, did that happen through direct contact between the warrant holder and the assignee? Would the warrant holder and assignee have had to know each other?I've got Christine Rose's Military Bounty Land 1776-1855, but I can't find any explanation for how warrants were assigned. Any suggestions where I could learn how assignments worked? Thanks-- Kay Rudolph

I appreciate Find-A-Grave and its volunteers, use it often, and upload photographs of gravestones whenever possible. I agree that most people probably think they are creating the memorials as a service. Canvassing cemeteries, photographing gravestones, etc. is a wonderful service. As one of the so-called "complainers," however, I think it is important to clarify that my problem is with RECENT DEATHS where there is no gravestone to photograph or transcribe. While the people who are copying recent obituaries and death notices willy-nilly may have the best of intentions, those intentions are misguided. If I'd wanted an online "memorial" to my mother posted within three days of her death, I would have arranged for it. If I'd wanted her obituary published on Find-A-Grave, or anywhere other than the places I chose to publish it, I would have done so. Others have expressed more eloquently than I can the emotional jolt that can occur when one discovers a complete stranger has taken it upon themselves to add their recently deceased loved one to FindAGrave. I just ask that, in our passion to promote genealogy, we be more sensitive to the fact that there may be family members, especially of a recently deceased person, who think differently than we do about online services like FindAGrave. Connie

I think we can all learn from constructive criticism, and what I've seen on the list has referred to specific situations and practices that might be improved, and did not involve criticizing Find A Grave as such. The criticism has not been personal and should not be taken as such. Harold On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Kathleen Vincent <mkvincent@roadrunner.com>wrote: > I can't believe all the complaints I have seen about findagrave.com on > this > list. I have worked my backside off going around to cemeteries and taking > pictures of grave markers and researching each and every one of them and > putting information on findagrave.com. I have been thanked by many a > genealogists for my work, only got one complaint from one family and I am > now convinced they would complain even if they were hung with a new rope! > Really, I'm serious, I would be more than happy to hang onto my photographs > and not do the information. When I have been stuck on one, I go to > ancestry > or familysearch and research these people and a lot of times there is NO > death information that the family has and checking every resource I have, I > can't find it, except it's on the grave marker. IF someone has gone and > watched obits, then put your loved one on, just ask for a transfer, most > people would do it gladly!! I see any more complaints, I would be more > than > happy to sit back with my photos and you can pay me for the work that I do > instead of me giving it away for FREE!! > > Kathleen > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jms@top2bottom.net > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 3:16 PM > To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com > Subject: [TGF] Find a Grave > > I have found many of my close relatives listed on find a grave, dead fred > or > separate website listing all buried in a particular cemetery. None put up > by family members. > > I believe this goes along the lines of SSDI being public....ditto obits, > etc. > > I believe it is people doing genealogy that want the information available > to any relative that might be searching. > > I know of many genealogical societies that record and post entire > cemeteries, some just the info, some with photos and some with additional > details from research they have done. > > FAG has what is called a Virtual Cemetery where you can list people without > an actual cemetery, so it is for memorials. > > There is also a leave flowers and a note, I have just this to correct any > bad information. > > I fear too many start complaining about loved ones listed then it will turn > into another resource that the government might poke their head into and > limit access. > > Jill > www.jillsgenealogy.com > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Harold Henderson midwestroots.net Research, Writing, and Brickwall Dismantling from Northwest Indiana Regularly Researching at the Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center Certified Genealogist (SM) No. 1029 Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists® used by the Board to identify its program of genealogical competencyevaluation and used under license by the Board’s associates.

I completely agree. F-A-G is wonderful and I've spent many hours there making connections that would have been /impossible/ to make otherwise. It truly has broken down brick walls for me. It is a wonderful site and the people who volunteer for it are due a great amount of thanks for their contributions. I was only discussing a single, isolated incident previously and not trying to imply any sort of criticism towards F-A-G or its volunteers. I'm sorry if I gave that impression. Dana From: Cathy Champion > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 7:28 PM > To: Michele Lewis ; Harold Henderson ; Kathleen Vincent > Cc: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [TGF] Find a Grave > > I agree with Michelle; F-A-G is a great tool, just as are Ancestry, > newspaper obits, genealogy blogs and other sites that have information that > we may be able to use to improve our trees. > > I'm a volunteer there but only add my own family tree members - I have > enough mistakes amongst my own family members regarding dates and correct > names to contend with! > > I have found some of my husband's family there and love seeing the > pictures that are there as I would have no way of obtaining them otherwise, > plus other cemetery locations where their relatives can be found. I do > back up what I can with my own research as I think any good genealogist, > certifiied or not, would do. > > It's good to be made aware of people/companies who falsify information to > make a buck. I, for one, don't trust the DAR and SAR profiles that show up > for my ancestors; dates are usually just a range, and families are often > confused, and they are supposed to be MOST particular about their > certifications. They've undertaken a big job that I wouldn't want to do! > > Thanks to all who give freely of their time and hard work supplying info > that might otherwise be lost! > > > > > > Cathy Champion in Fenton, MO 63026 (near St. Louis) > > > > "When a man loves cats, I am his friend and comrade without further > introduction" - Mark Twain > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > From: Michele Lewis <ancestoring@gmail.com> > To: Harold Henderson <librarytraveler@gmail.com>; Kathleen Vincent < > mkvincent@roadrunner.com> > Cc: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com > Sent: Mon, October 15, 2012 6:03:10 PM > Subject: Re: [TGF] Find a Grave > > I am the one that started this conversation and I will say that I have been > a F-A-G volunteer for 3 years and I take photos all the time. I wasn't > knocking F-A-G. I was alerting the list to the fact that there is some > things that you need to watch out for, like photo-shopped photos. I am > sure this isn't widespread but it is still something you need to know > about. > > > Others then brought out some other problems that they have encountered. I > think this conversation was important. I don't think anyone was knocking > F-A-G. I could say similar things about Ancestry.com. The website is > invaluable but there is bogus info that gets posted via the family trees. > That doesn't mean Ancestry is bad. > > Michele > > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am VERY grateful those volunteers who put the pictures of grave markers up on findagrave! Thank you! If not for those volunteers I would still be looking for some of my ancestors! I think findagrave is a wonderful resource and all this criticism is really not necessary on a public list - - if you don't like what you see then contact the findagrave people! THANK YOU a million times! On Oct 15, 2012, at 4:14 PM, Kathleen Vincent wrote: > I can't believe all the complaints I have seen about findagrave.com on this > list. I have worked my backside off going around to cemeteries and taking > pictures of grave markers and researching each and every one of them and > putting information on findagrave.com. I have been thanked by many a > genealogists for my work, only got one complaint from one family and I am > now convinced they would complain even if they were hung with a new rope! > Really, I'm serious, I would be more than happy to hang onto my photographs > and not do the information. When I have been stuck on one, I go to ancestry > or familysearch and research these people and a lot of times there is NO > death information that the family has and checking every resource I have, I > can't find it, except it's on the grave marker. IF someone has gone and > watched obits, then put your loved one on, just ask for a transfer, most > people would do it gladly!! I see any more complaints, I would be more than > happy to sit back with my photos and you can pay me for the work that I do > instead of me giving it away for FREE!! > > Kathleen > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jms@top2bottom.net > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 3:16 PM > To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com > Subject: [TGF] Find a Grave > > I have found many of my close relatives listed on find a grave, dead fred or > separate website listing all buried in a particular cemetery. None put up > by family members. > > I believe this goes along the lines of SSDI being public....ditto obits, > etc. > > I believe it is people doing genealogy that want the information available > to any relative that might be searching. > > I know of many genealogical societies that record and post entire > cemeteries, some just the info, some with photos and some with additional > details from research they have done. > > FAG has what is called a Virtual Cemetery where you can list people without > an actual cemetery, so it is for memorials. > > There is also a leave flowers and a note, I have just this to correct any > bad information. > > I fear too many start complaining about loved ones listed then it will turn > into another resource that the government might poke their head into and > limit access. > > Jill > www.jillsgenealogy.com > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I agree with Michelle; F-A-G is a great tool, just as are Ancestry, newspaper obits, genealogy blogs and other sites that have information that we may be able to use to improve our trees. I'm a volunteer there but only add my own family tree members - I have enough mistakes amongst my own family members regarding dates and correct names to contend with! I have found some of my husband's family there and love seeing the pictures that are there as I would have no way of obtaining them otherwise, plus other cemetery locations where their relatives can be found.  I do back up what I can with my own research as I think any good genealogist, certifiied or not, would do. It's good to be made aware of people/companies who falsify information to make a buck.  I, for one, don't trust the DAR and SAR profiles that show up for my ancestors; dates are usually just a range, and families are often confused, and they are supposed to be MOST particular about their  certifications.  They've undertaken a big job that I wouldn't want to do! Thanks to all who give freely of their time and hard work supplying info that might otherwise be lost!   Cathy Champion in Fenton, MO 63026 (near St. Louis)   "When a man loves cats, I am his friend and comrade without further introduction" - Mark Twain ________________________________ From: Michele Lewis <ancestoring@gmail.com> To: Harold Henderson <librarytraveler@gmail.com>; Kathleen Vincent <mkvincent@roadrunner.com> Cc: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, October 15, 2012 6:03:10 PM Subject: Re: [TGF] Find a Grave I am the one that started this conversation and I will say that I have been a F-A-G volunteer for 3 years and I take photos all the time.  I wasn't knocking F-A-G.  I was alerting the list to the fact that there is some things that you need to watch out for, like photo-shopped  photos.  I am sure this isn't widespread but it is still something you need to know about. Others then brought out some other problems that they have encountered.  I think this conversation was important.  I don't think anyone was knocking F-A-G.  I could say similar things about Ancestry.com.  The website is invaluable but there is bogus info that gets posted via the family trees. That doesn't mean Ancestry is bad. Michele The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Dave and others who have responded privately. I may do that. It is important to add that, aside from my son's entry, I do appreciate the Find-A-Grave site and others like it. I am grateful to the volunteers who take the time to photograph cemeteries and upload the photos.  In fact, I have benefited both personally and professionally from the generosity of many contributors to these sites. Although I have many relatives represented on Find-A-Grave, it is only my son's memorial being managed by a stranger that bothers me.   Sherry www.1StopGenealogy.net ________________________________ From: Dave Robison <dave@oldbones.co> To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [TGF] TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 6, Issue 554 To Sherry Chapman...I'm so sorry to hear about your son.  I can't imagine what would life would be like if I lost any of my children. As to the Find-A-Grave memorial, if the contributor has the compassion you related, may I suggest you request that he transfers the "management" of the memorial to you.  Then you'd have control of the content including being able to delete it.  The choice would be yours as it should be. Dave Robison Old Bones Genealogy -----Original Message----- From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of transitional-genealogists-forum-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 3:01 AM To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 6, Issue 554 The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. Today's Topics:   1. Re:  Find a grave (Sherry Chapman)   2. Re:  Innappropriate listings on Find a grave or elsewhere.       (Dana E.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 20:37:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Sherry Chapman <sherry1chapman@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [TGF] Find a grave To: Michele Lewis <ancestoring@gmail.com>, "'Suzanne '"     <t4tsinda@bigpond.com> Cc: 'TGF' <TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID:     <1350272251.65942.YahooMailNeo@web113305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I was stunned when I found my son's monument uploaded by someone I don't know on FAG. My heart just plunged to my stomach. I actually felt a sense of terror I cannot explain. It was?reminiscent?of being absolutely unable to bring Ryan back, no matter how much I bargained with God. It felt like that total lack of control. I feel very proprietary of Ryan's grave site, tending to the landscaping and keeping candles lit... weeding surrounding graves. ?It was a shock that someone I don't know owns Ryan's entry on FAG when I didn't want it up there at all. But I do see that Ryan's information was added by someone with compassion. So I just let it sit. ? Sherry www.1StopGenealogy.net ________________________________ From: Michele Lewis <ancestoring@gmail.com> To: 'Suzanne ' <t4tsinda@bigpond.com> Cc: 'TGF' <TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [TGF] Innappropriate listings on Find a grave or elsewhere. I will say that someone posted a photo request in my area of a 16 year old boy that had died in a car wreck about 2 weeks earlier.? I just couldn't do it.? I didn't claim the request.? The boy was the son of the pastor of the church down the road from me. Michele The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 21:49:36 -0700 From: "Dana E." <genealady@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [TGF] Innappropriate listings on Find a grave or     elsewhere. Cc: TGF <TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID:     <CAARHKxrQAwHuR90g7Xue4JzyewnSsZy+FmQ82_XxXetyWNsNng@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I just wanted to let everyone know that I appreciate their condolences on my brother's loss and that I'm not overly angered by the placement of this memorial. I just didn't understand it, really. FAG is about burials, not memorials - my brother wasn't buried and even if he was, this contributor clearly has no further information about it. I don't know this person at all, so I assume they just found the notice in the paper. It's not even the obituary, as that wasn't published in that state and nothing from the obituary is included. Why put someone who has no grave on FAG? I am mystified. At any rate, my family and I asked the person to remove it, and I hope they will comply. Dana ------------------------------ End of TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 6, Issue 554 *************************************************************** The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. 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Jean, I find FamilySearch Wiki helpful for church record headings translations. Images of church records headings in Hungarian/Latin/English are at the bottom of this page: https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Hungary_Church_Records. There is also a page for Polish church records. Best regards, Bonnie Dunphy Kohler South Florida ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Suplick" <jean.suplick@gmail.com> To: <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 10:47 AM Subject: [TGF] Latin translation >I am trying to interpret Catholic church registers from Poland in the > 1880's and need some help translating the Latin text in the column > headings. [snipped]

Dave, An important correction. Sources are original or derivative. Information is primary or secondary. Evidence is direct or indirect. Rondina _______________________ Rondina P. Muncy Ancestral Analysis 4008 Linden Avenue Fort Worth, Texas 76107 682.224.6584 rondina.muncy@gmail.com www.ancestralanalysis.com On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Dave Robison <dave@oldbones.co> wrote: > When I introduce Find-A-Grave to participants in my "Introduction to > Genealogy" course, I will ALWAYS remind them of the vast differences > between primary sources, secondary sources and what I would refer to as > "Volunteer Sources". > >

When I introduce Find-A-Grave to participants in my "Introduction to Genealogy" course, I will ALWAYS remind them of the vast differences between primary sources, secondary sources and what I would refer to as "Volunteer Sources". Much like family trees uploaded to FamilySearch.org or Ancestry.com, the information can be helpful but should only be used to point someone in a direction that may be useful but at the same time, may cause confusion. The point being that you have to factor in the GIGO equation: "Garbage In = Garbage Out"! Look for the suppporting documentation!!

Jean, I am not an expert but this is what I came up with. 1. Nomen sacerdotis benedictis matrimonium. The name of the priest who blessed this marriage. 2. Nomen et cognomen copulatorum denominatio domicilii, status artis vel. conditionis vitae, et utrum in ecclesia an in privato copulati sint. The name and surname coupled with denomination, domicile, status (ie, single, widowed) and whether in private or in the church. 3. Num copulati vel una pars eorum antea vinculo matrimonii obscricti aut obscricta fuit, num sub potestate parentum vel tutorum existent. Where either of the parties married before or under the control of their parents or guardians. 4. Num cum consensu parentum vel tutorum, vel judicii tutelaris matrimonium contactum sit Is there consent of their parents or guardians or a marriage contract. 5. Dies promulgationum Date of promulgation (an announcement) 6. Num cum dispensatione aliqua matrimonium contraxerunt et de quo dato. Does the marriage have any dispensation and what is it. Hope this helps Ann In a message dated 15-Oct-12 07:49:39 US Mountain Standard Time, jean.suplick@gmail.com writes: I am trying to interpret Catholic church registers from Poland in the 1880's and need some help translating the Latin text in the column headings. I've tried several online language translator tools, with poor results. Although I get the gist of some of these, I'd like to know exactly what they mean. Are there any good references you use for this sort of thing, short of consulting a local Catholic parish priest to see if they remember their Latin? 1. Nomen sacerdotis benedictis matrimonium. 2. Nomen et cognomen copulatorum denominatio domicilii, status artis vel conditionis vitae, et utrum in ecclesia an in privato copulati sint. 3. Num copulati vel una pars eorum antea vinculo matrimonii obscricti aut obscricta fuit, num sub potestate parentum vel tutorum existent. 4. Num cum consensu parentum vel tutorum, vel judicii tutelaris matrimonium contactum sit 5. Dies promulgationum 6. Num cum dispensatione aliqua matrimonium contraxerunt et de quo dato. Thanks for you help, Jean Suplick Plano, Texas The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have found many of my close relatives listed on find a grave, dead fred or separate website listing all buried in a particular cemetery. None put up by family members. I believe this goes along the lines of SSDI being public....ditto obits, etc. I believe it is people doing genealogy that want the information available to any relative that might be searching. I know of many genealogical societies that record and post entire cemeteries, some just the info, some with photos and some with additional details from research they have done. FAG has what is called a Virtual Cemetery where you can list people without an actual cemetery, so it is for memorials. There is also a leave flowers and a note, I have just this to correct any bad information. I fear too many start complaining about loved ones listed then it will turn into another resource that the government might poke their head into and limit access. Jill www.jillsgenealogy.com

First of all I am sorry for any family who suddenly discovers family recently deceased listed by unknown people on the internet, it would be a shock and more so if details incorrect. That said I have to say I would wonder why they put it up and not genealogically. Sometimes folk would use this as a way of expressing their condolences. Strange it might be but perhaps it was their way of spreading the work and immortalising the recently departed as it were. Protocol is not always followed and indeed what is protocol in matters of recently deceased especially when there is a public notice in a local newspaper. Remember that when we review newspaper small local publications would print city papers please copy or these days because they are owned by huge corporations the obituaries may be permitted to be printed elsewhere. As genealogists we want this type of thing to occur to be able to find our lost relatives but when that person was living and known to us and we are grieving we don't give a damn [pardon me] about such things. We want to grieve in our own way and not have someone else add to what we must deal with. I understand how such seemingly rude, inappropriate actions by others can impact on bereaved relatives but please consider they may NOT be just being a genealogist but someone trying to show they care in their own way. Once again I am sorry for those amongst us who have just lost a loved one I do not mean to cause further grief and sincerely apologize if I have done so. Suzanne

Like several of you, I was very surprised to find a memorial page on Find A Grave for a relative (my father) posted by a stranger which included his obituary (written by me). He had been cremated, but not yet interred. In fact the memorial was created the same day the obituary was published. I discovered the page a few months later, and the creator promptly and graciously turned over the management to me. I have since added a photo of his gravestone. In my experience, every time I have asked a Find A Grave page creator to transfer management of a page of a family member, they have done so. I think most people who create these pages are doing so as a service. Anita

To Sherry Chapman...I'm so sorry to hear about your son. I can't imagine what would life would be like if I lost any of my children. As to the Find-A-Grave memorial, if the contributor has the compassion you related, may I suggest you request that he transfers the "management" of the memorial to you. Then you'd have control of the content including being able to delete it. The choice would be yours as it should be. Dave Robison Old Bones Genealogy -----Original Message----- From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of transitional-genealogists-forum-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 3:01 AM To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 6, Issue 554 The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. Today's Topics: 1. Re: Find a grave (Sherry Chapman) 2. Re: Innappropriate listings on Find a grave or elsewhere. (Dana E.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 20:37:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Sherry Chapman <sherry1chapman@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [TGF] Find a grave To: Michele Lewis <ancestoring@gmail.com>, "'Suzanne '" <t4tsinda@bigpond.com> Cc: 'TGF' <TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1350272251.65942.YahooMailNeo@web113305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I was stunned when I found my son's monument uploaded by someone I don't know on FAG. My heart just plunged to my stomach. I actually felt a sense of terror I cannot explain. It was?reminiscent?of being absolutely unable to bring Ryan back, no matter how much I bargained with God. It felt like that total lack of control. I feel very proprietary of Ryan's grave site, tending to the landscaping and keeping candles lit... weeding surrounding graves. ?It was a shock that someone I don't know owns Ryan's entry on FAG when I didn't want it up there at all. But I do see that Ryan's information was added by someone with compassion. So I just let it sit. ? Sherry www.1StopGenealogy.net ________________________________ From: Michele Lewis <ancestoring@gmail.com> To: 'Suzanne ' <t4tsinda@bigpond.com> Cc: 'TGF' <TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [TGF] Innappropriate listings on Find a grave or elsewhere. I will say that someone posted a photo request in my area of a 16 year old boy that had died in a car wreck about 2 weeks earlier.? I just couldn't do it.? I didn't claim the request.? The boy was the son of the pastor of the church down the road from me. Michele The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 21:49:36 -0700 From: "Dana E." <genealady@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [TGF] Innappropriate listings on Find a grave or elsewhere. Cc: TGF <TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <CAARHKxrQAwHuR90g7Xue4JzyewnSsZy+FmQ82_XxXetyWNsNng@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I just wanted to let everyone know that I appreciate their condolences on my brother's loss and that I'm not overly angered by the placement of this memorial. I just didn't understand it, really. FAG is about burials, not memorials - my brother wasn't buried and even if he was, this contributor clearly has no further information about it. I don't know this person at all, so I assume they just found the notice in the paper. It's not even the obituary, as that wasn't published in that state and nothing from the obituary is included. Why put someone who has no grave on FAG? I am mystified. At any rate, my family and I asked the person to remove it, and I hope they will comply. Dana ------------------------------ End of TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 6, Issue 554 ***************************************************************

Cathy your maternal grandmother sounds like someone I shared an apartment with back in the 1960s. In the 4 months that I lived with her she used three different last names: mother's, father's, each of two husband's. I suspect it had to do with bill collectors... change the name on the mailbox if you don't want to get a particular bill. The result was that whenever the letter carrier had mail for that address but no idea of the apartment he'd put it in our box. I also have a family line that sometimes was LOSS and sometimes DeLOSS. They'd move between towns. They never owned land (like the father's siblings who were successful) and the obit in the newspaper commented that Job was the Bible verse at his funeral and that it was an appropriate text. Erica On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 9:20 PM, Cathy Champion <cacshantih@sbcglobal.net>wrote: > We all have to start somewhere, and I think that most people who post at > Find a Grave have good intentions but not necessarily the correct > procedure. > > If I find something that's wrong I'll send a short email with > the correction and a "thank you" for their time. If they use info from > the cemetery records/gravestones themselves, those may be incorrect at the > start. > > Maybe I'm wrong, but I appreciate the wrong stuff too because sometimes > it supplies me with somewhere else to look and, just maybe, I'll find > what's correct or missing for my files. > > > > I'd be thrilled to find something, right or wrong, on my maternal > grandmother. She was one of a set of triplets left in a St. Louis > orphanage at birth. No first or last names, no birth dates; nothing to go > on. She used different given and maiden names on all three of her > daughters' birth certificates. If a name caught her fancy, she used it. > Her husband's name is the only thing that's consistent on them; she even > played around with various combinations of birth dates. > > > > Cathy Champion in Fenton, MO 63026 (near St. Louis) > > > > *"When a man loves cats, I am his friend and comrade without further > introduction" - Mark Twain* > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* "Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist" < > king@forensicgenealogyservices.com> > *To:* Erica Voolich <voolich@gmail.com> > *Cc:* TGF <TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-L@rootsweb.com> > *Sent:* Sun, October 14, 2012 7:59:23 PM > *Subject:* Re: [TGF] Find-A-Grave > > This is what happens when folks care more about being in the game, than in > doing the right thing. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Erica Voolich" <voolich@gmail.com> > To: "Genealady" <genealady@gmail.com> > Cc: "TGF" <TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 12:42:08 PM > Subject: Re: [TGF] Find-A-Grave > > Dana > My condolences on your loss. That is terrible. > I thought the family should be the "owner" of the page on a person if there > was one available. > If you don't want your brother up, I think you should ask them to take it > down. > Erica > > On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Genealady <genealady@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I was shocked to find someone had put my brother on findagrave when he > > died last week. The information was taken from the newspaper and he was > NOT > > buried. He was cremated and we don't even have his ashes yet. I am still > > sorely tempted to ask them to remove it. Erroneous and disrespectful in > my > > opinion. > > > > Dana > > > > On Oct 14, 2012, at 10:21 AM, "Donna McR" <donna316@tx.rr.com> wrote: > > > > > Silly me. Until recently, I thought the postings on Find-a-Grave were > > > sourced from literally reading the gravestones and/or taking > photographs. > > > In the absence of these, I thought at least some evidence was available > > that > > > the person was buried there---by cemetery records or at least by > personal > > > knowledge that the grave actually existed in that place. Any dates > > attached > > > to the posting I thought were sourced with one or all of the above. > > > > > > However, lately I have been seeing graves posted, along with birth and > > death > > > dates and information about immediate family, that are just incorrect. > > The > > > erroneous information just happens to match some incorrect information > > also > > > passed around on internet family trees. > > > > > > These persons are posting **as fact** information that has no basis of > > > proof. It weakens the credibility of the whole project. > > > > > > So frustrating. > > > > > > Warmest Regards, > > > > > > Donna > > > > > > > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition > to > > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition > to > > professional level work. 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I am trying to interpret Catholic church registers from Poland in the 1880's and need some help translating the Latin text in the column headings. I've tried several online language translator tools, with poor results. Although I get the gist of some of these, I'd like to know exactly what they mean. Are there any good references you use for this sort of thing, short of consulting a local Catholic parish priest to see if they remember their Latin? 1. Nomen sacerdotis benedictis matrimonium. 2. Nomen et cognomen copulatorum denominatio domicilii, status artis vel conditionis vitae, et utrum in ecclesia an in privato copulati sint. 3. Num copulati vel una pars eorum antea vinculo matrimonii obscricti aut obscricta fuit, num sub potestate parentum vel tutorum existent. 4. Num cum consensu parentum vel tutorum, vel judicii tutelaris matrimonium contactum sit 5. Dies promulgationum 6. Num cum dispensatione aliqua matrimonium contraxerunt et de quo dato. Thanks for you help, Jean Suplick Plano, Texas

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