First, Phyllis I agree with you. I have been watching this issue for several days and decided to put in my two cents and just did a reply on your message because it was the next one I read. I too use Find a Grave and have found it very helpful. In fact I found a very distant cousin in Arizona through a listing for a Philadelphia, PA cemetery who I suspect I might never have found. I just want to point out that many newspapers place their obituaries online in addition to printing them in the newspapers. I read the obituaries from two newspapers from where I grew up every morning. It is how I find out about people I knew in the past now that my parents are gone and my sisters do not read the local papers. I often know about people we knew growing up who have died, before they know about them. How long the opbituaries are on line differs. Even after they are no longer available though the newspaper website, you can Google the person's name and have a fifty fifty chance that the obituary will come up. I know that in the past it was usually the funeral director or someone who worked at the funeral home who wrote the obituary and sent it to the newspaper. Today family members are often writing the obituaries and either having the funeral director send them to the newspapers or sending them in themselves depending on the policy of the newspaper. In the last ten years I have written my father's, my mother's, and an uncle's obituaries and had the funeral director send them to the newspaper. The papers did not accept them from family members directly. I hold the copyright to the obituaries, just as I would an article that I wrote for a magazine. I have allowed the newspapers to publish the obituaries, just as I have allowed magazines to publish my articles. I wrote my father's obituary while he was in the hospital that last time. He was telling the nurse one night about all of his arrangements being made and that I was the one that pushed he and my mother to do so. At one point he said about the only thing we would have to do was write his obituary and turned to me and said unless you have written it already. I had not done so, although I had scribbled down some notes. Two days later I took him his obituary for his approval. It was only after his funeral was over that we realized I had left out his being president of the schools band parents association when my youngest sisters were in high school. As a result of writing the three obituaries a local genealogy group had me do a class on writing obituaries. I have presented it to several other organizations. Having had my parents make their own funeral arrangements and my writing their obituaries ahead of time, sure made what is a difficult time a lot easier. All we had to do was select the day for the viewing and funereal, what we wanted on the memorial cards, and the flowers. Just some additional thoughts to add to the thread. Chuck Mason -----Original Message----- From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Phyllis Garratt Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 11:40 PM To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TGF] Find a Grave I too am very grateful for the work volunteers do adding to the Findagrave database to memorialize and honor those who have passed. I have recently lost both my parents so understand the pain. However, more regulations and rules are not necessary. If you've recently lost someone and it would bother you to see their information posted, then don't go looking for it. And if someone points it out to you, just don't go there. It's easier (and makes more sense) for each of us individually to control our own choices then to impose restrictions on everybody else. We can each make our own decision. And if you don't like obituary information posted on the internet then discuss with family members what to include or exclude in the obituary. Phyllis The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ida, My great grandfather was naturalized in June, 1926 and there was no photo attached to his certificate, just a seal. Maybe it has to do with the court he received his naturalization in, as well as time period. My great grandfather's was issued by the Hampshire County, Massachusetts Superior Court on a certificate labeled "United States of America, Department of Labor." Angela Kraft Leaves of Heritage Genealogy "Let's shake some history from your family tree!"SM http://www.leavesofheritage.com -----Original Message----- From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of idamc@seanet.com Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 12:46 AM To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: [TGF] photo on US certificate of naturalization as of what date? Does anyone know when a photo was first required on a US certificate of naturalization? I have an example from 1942, but it must have started much earlier than that. The seal is stamped across the bottom of the picture but not across the face. His signature is up one side of the photo. Thanks. --Ida Skarson McCormick, idamc@seanet.com, Seattle  Leaves of Heritage Genealogy "Let's shake some history from your family tree!"SM http://www.leavesofheritage.com

http://genealogy.about.com/b/2012/10/15/the-complete-guide-to-genealogical-proof.htm -- Harold Henderson midwestroots.net Research, Writing, and Brickwall Dismantling from Northwest Indiana Regularly Researching at the Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center Certified Genealogist (SM) No. 1029 Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists® used by the Board to identify its program of genealogical competencyevaluation and used under license by the Board’s associates.

I didn't know about the obit rule. I need to go look at that. I have added transcribed obits (not the actual obit) on about 4 memorials I think but all of them died in the early 1900s. Michele From: cmproctor1@frontier.com [mailto:cmproctor1@frontier.com] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 10:15 PM To: Michele Lewis; 'Connie Sheets'; transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TGF] Find A Grave Find A Grave has as one of their rules that obits are not to be uploaded. It's one thing to glean info from an obit, but another to upload the obit in its entirety. A number of obits are written by family members of the deceased. But regardless of who the author is, it is copyrighted. Someone once contacted me about my dad's memorial and suggested I include the obit and tell who all the survivors were. I purposely did not include myself or my siblings on my dad's memorial because I am concerned with identity theft and desired my privacy. I also pointed out to the person who contacted me about Find A Grave's policy on this subject and included a copy of it in my response. I never heard from her again. And she wasn't even a relative. But having said that, I do use Find A Grave a lot and am grateful to those who post the memorials and spend hours and hours at a time in cemeteries photographing the stones. They are doing me a service - especially when those graves are in locations far far from me. My hat's off to the F A G volunteers! Cheryl Proctor Southern Indiana From: Michele Lewis <ancestoring@gmail.com> To: 'Connie Sheets' <clsheets1@yahoo.com>; transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [TGF] Find A Grave There is a man in the Augusta, GA that uploads all of the obits from the Augusta Chronicle every day. I am sure he thinks he is doing a service but this has always bothered me. I wonder if F-A-G should have something like a 10 year rule. No memorial unless the person has been deceased for 10 years. Michele -----Original Message----- From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Connie Sheets Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 8:54 PM To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: [TGF] Find A Grave I appreciate Find-A-Grave and its volunteers, use it often, and upload photographs of gravestones whenever possible. I agree that most people probably think they are creating the memorials as a service. Canvassing cemeteries, photographing gravestones, etc. is a wonderful service. As one of the so-called "complainers," however, I think it is important to clarify that my problem is with RECENT DEATHS where there is no gravestone to photograph or transcribe. While the people who are copying recent obituaries and death notices willy-nilly may have the best of intentions, those intentions are misguided. If I'd wanted an online "memorial" to my mother posted within three days of her death, I would have arranged for it. If I'd wanted her obituary published on Find-A-Grave, or anywhere other than the places I chose to publish it, I would have done so. Others have expressed more eloquently than I can the emotional jolt that can occur when one discovers a complete stranger has taken it upon themselves to add their recently deceased loved one to FindAGrave. I just ask that, in our passion to promote genealogy, we be more sensitive to the fact that there may be family members, especially of a recently deceased person, who think differently than we do about online services like FindAGrave. Connie The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You will have no trouble following the process through from entitlement to issuance of title/patent/grant if you substitute the word "buyer" for "assignee." Just bear several caveats in mind regarding how title to any commodity or asset may change hands, such as: sale in fee simple; bequest by will; inheritance from intestate estate; seizure and sale on behalf of creditor including an unpaid taxing authority, unpaid surveyor, etc. Assignments may not have been recorded as deeds. One of my ancestors received a land warrant that was immediately sold to a speculator type (who also purchased others); conveyance was recorded on the back of the warrant. The warrants may change hands several times before used to claim land, and the chain of assignees may be at least partly recited in the issuing authority's first-title document and/or by the surveyor if the land available to the warrantee had not already been surveyed into lots (such as the NY Military Tracts). In some times and places, but especially when a lot of warrants were issued around the same time, there were opportunities for fraudsters to sell forged documents or just to write deeds selling entitlements. In the case of NY Revolutionary War Bounty Land Warrants there was enough such fraudulent activity that special procedures were set up to facilitate regularized sale of the entitlements, including specific identification of the veterans. So be on the lookout for an opportunity for someone to offer testimony or create other helpful narratives. Good hunting! Judy Kay writes: When a bounty land warrant was assigned to another individual for patent, did that happen through direct contact between the warrant holder and the assignee? Would the warrant holder and assignee have had to know each other?I've got Christine Rose's Military Bounty Land 1776-1855, but I can't find any explanation for how warrants were assigned. Any suggestions where I could learn how assignments worked?

Katherine, what war? (It makes a difference.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katherine Rudolph" <khrhome@yahoo.com> To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 7:02:27 PM Subject: [TGF] Assignment of military bounty land warrants When a bounty land warrant was assigned to another individual for patent, did that happen through direct contact between the warrant holder and the assignee? Would the warrant holder and assignee have had to know each other?I've got Christine Rose's Military Bounty Land 1776-1855, but I can't find any explanation for how warrants were assigned. Any suggestions where I could learn how assignments worked? Thanks-- Kay Rudolph The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Kay -- James W. Oberly's _Sixty Million Acres: American Veterans and the Public Lands before the Civil War_ discusses the nationwide business in bounty land warrants in this period. Harold On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:26 PM, Katherine Rudolph <khrhome@yahoo.com>wrote: > Elizabeth-- > The patent I'm interested in was granted under the Scrip Warrant Act of > 1850, and the warrant recipient had fought in the Florida War (aka Second > Seminole War).The patent itself was granted in 1854. > Kay > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Harold Henderson midwestroots.net Research, Writing, and Brickwall Dismantling from Northwest Indiana Regularly Researching at the Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center Certified Genealogist (SM) No. 1029 Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists® used by the Board to identify its program of genealogical competencyevaluation and used under license by the Board’s associates.

Sorry, it had nothing to do with YOU, your email was the last one on this subject to come through on my email, in all honesty, I agree with you. Kathleen -----Original Message----- From: jms@top2bottom.net Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 10:06 PM To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: [TGF] Find a Grave Now why was my message the one attached to this? I was NOT complaining...I was actually pointing out that too much complaining the government might get wind and PREVENT such information as they seem fix to do repeatedly by limiting info I guess I will go back to lurking. Jill www.jillsgenealogy.com -----------------Original Message--------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 18:14:21 -0400 From: "Kathleen Vincent" <mkvincent@roadrunner.com> Subject: Re: [TGF] Find a Grave To: <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <D94FF983D3AD4D23A1AAED11A2B281AE@KathleenHP> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I can't believe all the complaints I have seen about findagrave.com on this list. I have worked my backside off going around to cemeteries and taking pictures of grave markers and researching each and every one of them and putting information on findagrave.com. I have been thanked by many a genealogists for my work, only got one complaint from one family and I am now convinced they would complain even if they were hung with a new rope! Really, I'm serious, I would be more than happy to hang onto my photographs and not do the information. When I have been stuck on one, I go to ancestry or familysearch and research these people and a lot of times there is NO death information that the family has and checking every resource I have, I can't find it, except it's on the grave marker. IF someone has gone and watched obits, then put your loved one on, just ask for a transfer, most people would do it gladly!! I see any more complaints, I would be more than happy to sit back with my photos and you can pay me for the work that I do instead of me giving it away for FREE!! Kathleen -----Original Message----- From: jms@top2bottom.net Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 3:16 PM To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: [TGF] Find a Grave I have found many of my close relatives listed on find a grave, dead fred or separate website listing all buried in a particular cemetery. None put up by family members. I believe this goes along the lines of SSDI being public....ditto obits, etc. I believe it is people doing genealogy that want the information available to any relative that might be searching. I know of many genealogical societies that record and post entire cemeteries, some just the info, some with photos and some with additional details from research they have done. FAG has what is called a Virtual Cemetery where you can list people without an actual cemetery, so it is for memorials. There is also a leave flowers and a note, I have just this to correct any bad information. I fear too many start complaining about loved ones listed then it will turn into another resource that the government might poke their head into and limit access. Jill www.jillsgenealogy.com The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

While I do find it appalling that people are creating memorials for persons recently dead, or photoshopping stones, I would like to share an experience I had this summer. A mother who had lost her 20 year old daughter earlier this year knew that her daughters stone had just been placed, she sent out a photo request for her daughter's stone as she lives about 3 hours away. I had a few minutes, the cemetery was about 10 minutes from my house and so I set off. Within an hour I had posted the photo (memorial owned by the mom), and the tearful thank you I received was so heartfelt. Without FAG it might have been weeks or months till she was able to view the stone in person. This is an example of a recently deceased memorial that was all for good. On side note I have created my fathers and my in-laws memorials so that I have a bit of control over what is posted. -- Susan C. Fassbender Outagamie and Beyond

Does anyone know when a photo was first required on a US certificate of naturalization? I have an example from 1942, but it must have started much earlier than that. The seal is stamped across the bottom of the picture but not across the face. His signature is up one side of the photo. Thanks. --Ida Skarson McCormick, idamc@seanet.com, Seattle

There is a man in the Augusta, GA that uploads all of the obits from the Augusta Chronicle every day. I am sure he thinks he is doing a service but this has always bothered me. I wonder if F-A-G should have something like a 10 year rule. No memorial unless the person has been deceased for 10 years. Michele -----Original Message----- From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Connie Sheets Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 8:54 PM To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: [TGF] Find A Grave I appreciate Find-A-Grave and its volunteers, use it often, and upload photographs of gravestones whenever possible. I agree that most people probably think they are creating the memorials as a service. Canvassing cemeteries, photographing gravestones, etc. is a wonderful service. As one of the so-called "complainers," however, I think it is important to clarify that my problem is with RECENT DEATHS where there is no gravestone to photograph or transcribe. While the people who are copying recent obituaries and death notices willy-nilly may have the best of intentions, those intentions are misguided. If I'd wanted an online "memorial" to my mother posted within three days of her death, I would have arranged for it. If I'd wanted her obituary published on Find-A-Grave, or anywhere other than the places I chose to publish it, I would have done so. Others have expressed more eloquently than I can the emotional jolt that can occur when one discovers a complete stranger has taken it upon themselves to add their recently deceased loved one to FindAGrave. I just ask that, in our passion to promote genealogy, we be more sensitive to the fact that there may be family members, especially of a recently deceased person, who think differently than we do about online services like FindAGrave. Connie The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I too am very grateful for the work volunteers do adding to the Findagrave database to memorialize and honor those who have passed. I have recently lost both my parents so understand the pain. However, more regulations and rules are not necessary. If you've recently lost someone and it would bother you to see their information posted, then don't go looking for it. And if someone points it out to you, just don't go there. It's easier (and makes more sense) for each of us individually to control our own choices then to impose restrictions on everybody else. We can each make our own decision. And if you don't like obituary information posted on the internet then discuss with family members what to include or exclude in the obituary. Phyllis

Elizabeth-- The patent I'm interested in was granted under the Scrip Warrant Act of 1850, and the warrant recipient had fought in the Florida War (aka Second Seminole War).The patent itself was granted in 1854. Kay

I am very grateful that Find-A-Grave exists. I use it frequently and I am also a contributor. I think it would be in the best interest of F-A-G to establish a waiting period before memorials are posted for those recently deceased. Personally, if it were my family member, I would wait at least 6 months before posting anything online. Somewhere between 3-6 months would be reasonable. Shirley Ann Rankin

Now see!! I knew you all were wonderful people! *L* I enjoy doing what I do and it’s great exercise which my Dr. loves! I have learned a lot from my ventures and travel a great distance to cemeteries AND doing the research when I get home is awesome, I learned a lot and I really didn’t want to or think I would quit! It is a great resource for us that are genealogists no matter if it is professional or hobbyist. But I do agree with you that people that are making up grave markers and putting them up there that is a NO NO and should be reported to the F-A-G people, they are very prompt in removing or fixing things, they have helped me a lot when I ask them to. Let’s enjoy the site, there are lots of my ancestors grave markers, I have seen on the site and they are REAL and there is no way I would be able to travel there to visit these graves. I think the grave marker sites online are truly wonderful!! Kathleen From: Cathy Champion Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 7:28 PM To: Michele Lewis ; Harold Henderson ; Kathleen Vincent Cc: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TGF] Find a Grave I agree with Michelle; F-A-G is a great tool, just as are Ancestry, newspaper obits, genealogy blogs and other sites that have information that we may be able to use to improve our trees. I'm a volunteer there but only add my own family tree members - I have enough mistakes amongst my own family members regarding dates and correct names to contend with! I have found some of my husband's family there and love seeing the pictures that are there as I would have no way of obtaining them otherwise, plus other cemetery locations where their relatives can be found. I do back up what I can with my own research as I think any good genealogist, certifiied or not, would do. It's good to be made aware of people/companies who falsify information to make a buck. I, for one, don't trust the DAR and SAR profiles that show up for my ancestors; dates are usually just a range, and families are often confused, and they are supposed to be MOST particular about their certifications. They've undertaken a big job that I wouldn't want to do! Thanks to all who give freely of their time and hard work supplying info that might otherwise be lost! Cathy Champion in Fenton, MO 63026 (near St. Louis) "When a man loves cats, I am his friend and comrade without further introduction" - Mark Twain -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michele Lewis <ancestoring@gmail.com> To: Harold Henderson <librarytraveler@gmail.com>; Kathleen Vincent <mkvincent@roadrunner.com> Cc: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, October 15, 2012 6:03:10 PM Subject: Re: [TGF] Find a Grave I am the one that started this conversation and I will say that I have been a F-A-G volunteer for 3 years and I take photos all the time. I wasn't knocking F-A-G. I was alerting the list to the fact that there is some things that you need to watch out for, like photo-shopped photos. I am sure this isn't widespread but it is still something you need to know about. Others then brought out some other problems that they have encountered. I think this conversation was important. I don't think anyone was knocking F-A-G. I could say similar things about Ancestry.com. The website is invaluable but there is bogus info that gets posted via the family trees. That doesn't mean Ancestry is bad. Michele The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Find A Grave has as one of their rules that obits are not to be uploaded.  It's one thing to glean info from an obit, but another to upload the obit in its entirety.   A number of obits are written by family members of the deceased.  But regardless of who the author is, it is copyrighted.        Someone once contacted me about my dad's memorial and suggested I include the obit and tell who all the survivors were.  I purposely did not include myself or my siblings on my dad's memorial because I am concerned with identity theft and desired my privacy.  I also pointed out to the person who contacted me about Find A Grave's policy on this subject and included a copy of it in my response.  I never heard from her again.  And she wasn't even a relative.         But having said that, I do use Find A Grave a lot and am grateful to those who post the memorials and spend hours and hours at a time in cemeteries photographing the stones.  They are doing me a service - especially when those graves are in locations far far from me.       My hat's off to the F A G volunteers!           Cheryl Proctor Southern Indiana               ________________________________ From: Michele Lewis <ancestoring@gmail.com> To: 'Connie Sheets' <clsheets1@yahoo.com>; transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [TGF] Find A Grave There is a man in the Augusta, GA that uploads all of the obits from the Augusta Chronicle every day.  I am sure he thinks he is doing a service but this has always bothered me. I wonder if F-A-G should have something like a 10 year rule.  No memorial unless the person has been deceased for 10 years. Michele -----Original Message----- From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Connie Sheets Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 8:54 PM To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: [TGF] Find A Grave I appreciate Find-A-Grave and its volunteers, use it often, and upload photographs of gravestones whenever possible. I agree that most people probably think they are creating the memorials as a service. Canvassing cemeteries, photographing gravestones, etc. is a wonderful service. As one of the so-called "complainers," however, I think it is important to clarify that my problem is with RECENT DEATHS where there is no gravestone to photograph or transcribe. While the people who are copying recent obituaries and death notices willy-nilly may have the best of intentions, those intentions are misguided. If I'd wanted an online "memorial" to my mother posted within three days of her death, I would have arranged for it.  If I'd wanted her obituary published on Find-A-Grave, or anywhere other than the places I chose to publish it, I would have done so. Others have expressed more eloquently than I can the emotional jolt that can occur when one discovers a complete stranger has taken it upon themselves to add their recently deceased loved one to FindAGrave. I just ask that, in our passion to promote genealogy, we be more sensitive to the fact that there may be family members, especially of a recently deceased person, who think differently than we do about online services like FindAGrave. Connie  The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Now why was my message the one attached to this? I was NOT complaining...I was actually pointing out that too much complaining the government might get wind and PREVENT such information as they seem fix to do repeatedly by limiting info I guess I will go back to lurking. Jill www.jillsgenealogy.com -----------------Original Message--------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 18:14:21 -0400 From: "Kathleen Vincent" <mkvincent@roadrunner.com> Subject: Re: [TGF] Find a Grave To: <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <D94FF983D3AD4D23A1AAED11A2B281AE@KathleenHP> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I can't believe all the complaints I have seen about findagrave.com on this list. I have worked my backside off going around to cemeteries and taking pictures of grave markers and researching each and every one of them and putting information on findagrave.com. I have been thanked by many a genealogists for my work, only got one complaint from one family and I am now convinced they would complain even if they were hung with a new rope! Really, I'm serious, I would be more than happy to hang onto my photographs and not do the information. When I have been stuck on one, I go to ancestry or familysearch and research these people and a lot of times there is NO death information that the family has and checking every resource I have, I can't find it, except it's on the grave marker. IF someone has gone and watched obits, then put your loved one on, just ask for a transfer, most people would do it gladly!! I see any more complaints, I would be more than happy to sit back with my photos and you can pay me for the work that I do instead of me giving it away for FREE!! Kathleen -----Original Message----- From: jms@top2bottom.net Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 3:16 PM To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: [TGF] Find a Grave I have found many of my close relatives listed on find a grave, dead fred or separate website listing all buried in a particular cemetery. None put up by family members. I believe this goes along the lines of SSDI being public....ditto obits, etc. I believe it is people doing genealogy that want the information available to any relative that might be searching. I know of many genealogical societies that record and post entire cemeteries, some just the info, some with photos and some with additional details from research they have done. FAG has what is called a Virtual Cemetery where you can list people without an actual cemetery, so it is for memorials. There is also a leave flowers and a note, I have just this to correct any bad information. I fear too many start complaining about loved ones listed then it will turn into another resource that the government might poke their head into and limit access. Jill www.jillsgenealogy.com

I am the one that started this conversation and I will say that I have been a F-A-G volunteer for 3 years and I take photos all the time. I wasn't knocking F-A-G. I was alerting the list to the fact that there is some things that you need to watch out for, like photo-shopped photos. I am sure this isn't widespread but it is still something you need to know about. Others then brought out some other problems that they have encountered. I think this conversation was important. I don't think anyone was knocking F-A-G. I could say similar things about Ancestry.com. The website is invaluable but there is bogus info that gets posted via the family trees. That doesn't mean Ancestry is bad. Michele

Kay, I'm sure that some people knew each other, but there were also brokers who bought and sold warrants, so people didn't have to know each other. I haven't seen a warrant that was transferred in person yet, but apparently its like signing over a check - there will be endorsements on the back for any transfers.  Ann Gillespie

I think Kathleen is justified in her frustration--though I don't think the recent discussion really reflects the feelings of most of us. The offensive FindAGrave entries are largely isolated incidents, and while those incidents can be hurtful, they indicate the poor judgement of individuals. I use FindAGrave regularly to obtain clues that enable me to order death certificates, etc. I appreciate the bits of research, obits (when not in violation of copyright) and the links to other family individuals. They don't constitute sufficient research, but as a pathfinder they are invaluable. Janis Walker Gilmore Pawleys Island, SC, & Seattle, WA On Oct 15, 2012, at 6:14 PM, Kathleen Vincent wrote: > I can't believe all the complaints I have seen about findagrave.com on this > list. I have worked my backside off going around to cemeteries and taking > pictures of grave markers and researching each and every one of them and > putting information on findagrave.com. I have been thanked by many a > genealogists for my work, only got one complaint from one family and I am > now convinced they would complain even if they were hung with a new rope! > Really, I'm serious, I would be more than happy to hang onto my photographs > and not do the information. When I have been stuck on one, I go to ancestry > or familysearch and research these people and a lot of times there is NO > death information that the family has and checking every resource I have, I > can't find it, except it's on the grave marker. IF someone has gone and > watched obits, then put your loved one on, just ask for a transfer, most > people would do it gladly!! I see any more complaints, I would be more than > happy to sit back with my photos and you can pay me for the work that I do > instead of me giving it away for FREE!! > > Kathleen > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jms@top2bottom.net > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 3:16 PM > To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com > Subject: [TGF] Find a Grave > > I have found many of my close relatives listed on find a grave, dead fred or > separate website listing all buried in a particular cemetery. None put up > by family members. > > I believe this goes along the lines of SSDI being public....ditto obits, > etc. > > I believe it is people doing genealogy that want the information available > to any relative that might be searching. > > I know of many genealogical societies that record and post entire > cemeteries, some just the info, some with photos and some with additional > details from research they have done. > > FAG has what is called a Virtual Cemetery where you can list people without > an actual cemetery, so it is for memorials. > > There is also a leave flowers and a note, I have just this to correct any > bad information. > > I fear too many start complaining about loved ones listed then it will turn > into another resource that the government might poke their head into and > limit access. > > Jill > www.jillsgenealogy.com > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message