Steve, When I run into that situation, I spell the name as it is normally spelled by a family in the text body unless I am referring to a specific document with another spelling. For that instance, I use the spelling the document does. If the spelling is bizarre then I place the usual spelling after it in brackets. You can also put the variations in quote marks. If it is for a citation, you may want to consider bracketed spellings, but this also can become cumbersome. I point out at the beginning of every work-product that spellings will be kept as they are in documents and in document references. I state this clearly in italics with space around it and sometimes discuss the fact that spellings were fluid in earlier times. In a recent case, the normal spelling was Ryan. I found Rian, Rhine, Rhines, Rine, and Renn (thank you German clerks) among others. 'Roan' had to be investigated, but alas, he was a Rine. Rondina _______________________ Rondina P. Muncy Ancestral Analysis 4008 Linden Avenue Fort Worth, Texas 76107 682.224.6584 rondina.muncy@gmail.com www.ancestralanalysis.com On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Steve Dahlstrom < genealogy@stevedahlstrom.com> wrote: > > I am working on a client report. The family surname is found with various > spellings: Wait/Waitt/Waite/etc. in the report I have tried to use the > spelling that appears in the record I am describing, but this tends to be > confusing when referring to the same person. Should I do this, or adopt a > consistent spelling and make a comment that the actual records may vary? > > How have you handled similar situations? > > Steve Dahlstrom > > Sent from my iPhone > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am working on a client report. The family surname is found with various spellings: Wait/Waitt/Waite/etc. in the report I have tried to use the spelling that appears in the record I am describing, but this tends to be confusing when referring to the same person. Should I do this, or adopt a consistent spelling and make a comment that the actual records may vary? How have you handled similar situations? Steve Dahlstrom Sent from my iPhone

Eva -- I echo everything Nikki and Dave said but with a little different emphasis. Your situation sounds a good deal like mine about five years ago -- knowing what I wanted to do, being pretty sure I could do it (a little *too* sure as it turned out the first time), but not being quite sure how. Actually I think you have a better idea of what you need now than I did then. Where you live makes a difference. I wound up doing three things that helped a lot: (1) joining a ProGen group (actually, the first one); (2) attending SLIG and Samford institutes in spite of the cost and time and inconvenience; and (3) getting involved in my local society in a particular way -- transcribing and abstracting projects that confronted me weekly with original records that I could get acquainted with (outside a high-pressure course or client context). NGS and other conferences are great, but they can be a lonely experience for newbies. Everyone else seems to know each other, and the group around you changes every hour. Having a mentor or mentors helps show us ways of being a genealogist. What also made a major difference for me was finding friends in my "generation" of new genealogists (measured by when we got serious, not actual age). And that has happened for me almost entirely through institutes, where we spent several days together in the same class wrestling with the same problems, and learning from the best in the field and from each other. That's where you're most likely to find people who are as serious as you are. It didn't occur to me until it happened either (a) that that was what I needed or (b) that it would be as rewarding as the genealogy itself. APG can also be a place to find those people, again depending on where you are and the nature of your local chapter, if any. We (I'm on the board) are doing more discussion/mentoring sessions than before, so if you considered and rejected joining in the past, you may want to look again. Good luck and keep posting (especially if we have missed the point to any extent)! Harold On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Eva Goodwin <edwgoodwin@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm feeling a little stuck in a rut in my genealogy path and could use some > suggestions to get me going! > > I'm currently completing the American Records certificate from the NIGS, so > I'm always working on the coursework for that. But of course the program > itself is online and pretty self-guided. It also is great for getting me > familiar and comfortable with all the various kinds of sources and records > available but I think I also need to be doing other things concurrently, or > working towards other things, in order to really feel like I'm moving > forward. > > My eventual goal is to be CG. Eventual. And in that light, I know that what > I really need to do a lot of is methodology work. And I also need social > support - people around me who also are excited about this work who can > help motivate me so it's not just me and my computer and my filing cabinet! > > Here are some things I feel like I might be looking for: > - intensive in-person institutes or programs where I can meet people and > also immerse myself in method work > - ongoing study groups, whether in-person or interactive online > - one-on-one mentorship with (a) more experienced genealogist(s) > - a home learning course that is more methodology centered rather than > records centered > > I am 26 years old, extremely motivated, I have an undergraduate degree from > a prestigious liberal arts college and I am an excellent researcher. I know > I have what it takes to be a good professional. I have already self-taught > my genealogy research until now using books, internet, whatever I could get > my hands on. But it's also hard to just do it all by myself in a vacuum. I > went to the NGS conference in Cincinnati in the spring and it was a taste > of how exciting it could be to be a part of this bigger thing! And I'm > seeking people who also want to push themselves as hard as possible to > connect with and have in my community, and seeking also learning > opportunities that are directed towards an advanced hobbyist looking for > the next level of learning. > > Any suggestions? Thanks so much :) > > Eva > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Harold Henderson midwestroots.net Research, Writing, and Brickwall Dismantling from Northwest Indiana Regularly Researching at the Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center Certified Genealogist (SM) No. 1029 Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists® used by the Board to identify its program of genealogical competencyevaluation and used under license by the Board’s associates.

Eva, I don't remember from earlier posts where you are, but for the one-on-one fellowship/mentorship/mutual support I suggest the following: 1. Join APG, if you're not already a member (again, I don't remember). Then... 2. Attend local chapter meetings, if convenient (times and locations may not work for you). 3. If not convenient, attend the virtual chapter meetings in Second Life (the online world). 4. Get involved with a local genealogical society, if there is one and it meets at a time that fits your schedule. The key words, though, are "get involved." I've found that when one takes an active role in an organization, the benefits multiply -- in this case, you'd get to know other members that much better and once again get the mutual support you're looking for. I'll leave the specific course recommendations to others who are better familiar with them. Dave Liesse On 10/20/2012 13:48, Eva Goodwin wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm feeling a little stuck in a rut in my genealogy path and could use some > suggestions to get me going! > > I'm currently completing the American Records certificate from the NIGS, so > I'm always working on the coursework for that. But of course the program > itself is online and pretty self-guided. It also is great for getting me > familiar and comfortable with all the various kinds of sources and records > available but I think I also need to be doing other things concurrently, or > working towards other things, in order to really feel like I'm moving > forward. > > My eventual goal is to be CG. Eventual. And in that light, I know that what > I really need to do a lot of is methodology work. And I also need social > support - people around me who also are excited about this work who can > help motivate me so it's not just me and my computer and my filing cabinet! > > Here are some things I feel like I might be looking for: > - intensive in-person institutes or programs where I can meet people and > also immerse myself in method work > - ongoing study groups, whether in-person or interactive online > - one-on-one mentorship with (a) more experienced genealogist(s) > - a home learning course that is more methodology centered rather than > records centered > > I am 26 years old, extremely motivated, I have an undergraduate degree from > a prestigious liberal arts college and I am an excellent researcher. I know > I have what it takes to be a good professional. I have already self-taught > my genealogy research until now using books, internet, whatever I could get > my hands on. But it's also hard to just do it all by myself in a vacuum. I > went to the NGS conference in Cincinnati in the spring and it was a taste > of how exciting it could be to be a part of this bigger thing! And I'm > seeking people who also want to push themselves as hard as possible to > connect with and have in my community, and seeking also learning > opportunities that are directed towards an advanced hobbyist looking for > the next level of learning. > > Any suggestions? Thanks so much :) > > Eva > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Eva, I was very attracted to your post, partially because I know the feeling. I've been feeling like I've hit a wall in my career path for some time now and I just haven't been able to figure out what to do about it. So it was nice to know that misery has company, lol. Also, I can pass along what advice others have given me, which did serve me well along the way. First, I can suggest the ProGen program. If you've not heard of it yet, check out their website and ask around a bit. If you're looking for other like-minded individuals with the motivation and dedication to continue towards their goals, you'll find it in spades within a ProGen group.  The website is http://progenstudy.org.  Another great opportunity for in-person methodological experience is to take the one week summer classes offered at IGHR. I can't recommend that one enough. There are other one week intensive classes around that are equally wonderful (like SLIG and the one offered at the National Archives) so look into those as well.  A final recommendation that has been made to me in the past was to join rootsweb message board lists in the areas of your expertise and offer to take on work there.  You get the experience and others get help with their research. Of course, this only works when the participants are willing to order the records necessary to progress, etc. and therein lies much of my troubles. But you may have better luck in your locale.  I hope this has helped you a bit. Let's both hope we can succeed and "eventually" achieve our goal of obtaining that CG! Please drop me a message if you ever need a soundboard or anything along the way. I'd love to commiserate with someone in the same boat! Nikki LaRue ________________________________ From: Eva Goodwin <edwgoodwin@gmail.com> To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 3:48 PM Subject: [TGF] next steps? Hi all, I'm feeling a little stuck in a rut in my genealogy path and could use some suggestions to get me going! I'm currently completing the American Records certificate from the NIGS, so I'm always working on the coursework for that. But of course the program itself is online and pretty self-guided. It also is great for getting me familiar and comfortable with all the various kinds of sources and records available but I think I also need to be doing other things concurrently, or working towards other things, in order to really feel like I'm moving forward. My eventual goal is to be CG. Eventual. And in that light, I know that what I really need to do a lot of is methodology work. And I also need social support - people around me who also are excited about this work who can help motivate me so it's not just me and my computer and my filing cabinet! Here are some things I feel like I might be looking for: - intensive in-person institutes or programs where I can meet people and also immerse myself in method work - ongoing study groups, whether in-person or interactive online - one-on-one mentorship with (a) more experienced genealogist(s) - a home learning course that is more methodology centered rather than records centered I am 26 years old, extremely motivated, I have an undergraduate degree from a prestigious liberal arts college and I am an excellent researcher. I know I have what it takes to be a good professional. I have already self-taught my genealogy research until now using books, internet, whatever I could get my hands on. But it's also hard to just do it all by myself in a vacuum. I went to the NGS conference in Cincinnati in the spring and it was a taste of how exciting it could be to be a part of this bigger thing! And I'm seeking people who also want to push themselves as hard as possible to connect with and have in my community, and seeking also learning opportunities that are directed towards an advanced hobbyist looking for the next level of learning. Any suggestions? Thanks so much :) Eva The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all, I'm feeling a little stuck in a rut in my genealogy path and could use some suggestions to get me going! I'm currently completing the American Records certificate from the NIGS, so I'm always working on the coursework for that. But of course the program itself is online and pretty self-guided. It also is great for getting me familiar and comfortable with all the various kinds of sources and records available but I think I also need to be doing other things concurrently, or working towards other things, in order to really feel like I'm moving forward. My eventual goal is to be CG. Eventual. And in that light, I know that what I really need to do a lot of is methodology work. And I also need social support - people around me who also are excited about this work who can help motivate me so it's not just me and my computer and my filing cabinet! Here are some things I feel like I might be looking for: - intensive in-person institutes or programs where I can meet people and also immerse myself in method work - ongoing study groups, whether in-person or interactive online - one-on-one mentorship with (a) more experienced genealogist(s) - a home learning course that is more methodology centered rather than records centered I am 26 years old, extremely motivated, I have an undergraduate degree from a prestigious liberal arts college and I am an excellent researcher. I know I have what it takes to be a good professional. I have already self-taught my genealogy research until now using books, internet, whatever I could get my hands on. But it's also hard to just do it all by myself in a vacuum. I went to the NGS conference in Cincinnati in the spring and it was a taste of how exciting it could be to be a part of this bigger thing! And I'm seeking people who also want to push themselves as hard as possible to connect with and have in my community, and seeking also learning opportunities that are directed towards an advanced hobbyist looking for the next level of learning. Any suggestions? Thanks so much :) Eva

Hi, Can you please remove me from this list? Heather Singley ASA Tennessee State Library and Archives 403 7th Avenue North Nashville, TN 37243 (615)253-5788 Heather.Singley@tn.gov

Vvvvvvvvv Sent from my iPad On Oct 18, 2012, at 3:01 AM, transitional-genealogists-forum-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Photo on US Declaration of Intent (Dave Robison) > 2. Re: Photo on US Declaration of Intent > (Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 09:06:54 -0400 > From: "Dave Robison" <dave@oldbones.co> > Subject: [TGF] Photo on US Declaration of Intent > To: <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <027c01cdac68$48baa460$da2fed20$@co> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > My grandfather's "Declaration of Intent" was dated 19 January 1933 and > includes his photograph. So the photo may have been required here and on the > Naturalization documents as early as the early 1930's. It was filed "In the > Superior Court of Springfield of Hampden County of Massachusetts". It was > actually his second declaration as his first had expired. In the end, he > never completed the naturalization process and as a result, remained a > British citizen who immigrated from Williamstown, Glengarry Co, Ontario, > Canada. Side note: He "courted" my grandmother for 7 years traveling back > and forth from Williamstown to Springfield. An early long-distance romance > for sure! > > -----Original Message----- > From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > transitional-genealogists-forum-request@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 3:01 AM > To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com > Subject: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 6, Issue 562 > > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: photo on US certificate of naturalization as of what > date? (Angela Kraft) > 2. Re: Find a Grave (Connie Sheets) > 3. Re: photo on US certificate of naturalization as of what > date? (Rollie Littlewood) > 4. Re: photo on US certificate of naturalization as of what > date? (Charles S. Mason, Jr.) > 5. Re: Find-A-Grave (Karen Rhodes) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 07:56:34 -0700 (PDT) > From: Angela Kraft <leavesofheritage@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [TGF] photo on US certificate of naturalization as of > what date? > To: "transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com" > <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <1350399394.64972.YahooMailNeo@web120404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Ida, > > My great grandfather was naturalized in June, 1926 and there was no photo > attached to his certificate, just a seal. Maybe it has to do with the court > he received his naturalization in, as well as time period. My great > grandfather's was issued by the Hampshire County, Massachusetts Superior > Court on a certificate labeled "United States of America, Department of > Labor." > > Angela Kraft > Leaves of Heritage Genealogy > "Let's shake some history from your family tree!"SM > http://www.leavesofheritage.com -----Original Message----- > From:?transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > idamc@seanet.com > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 12:46 AM > To:?transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com > Subject: [TGF] photo on US certificate of naturalization as of what date? > > Does anyone know when a photo was first required on a US certificate of > naturalization? I have an example from 1942, but it must have started much > earlier than that. The seal is stamped across the bottom of the picture but > not across the face. His signature is up one side of the photo. > Thanks. > > > --Ida Skarson McCormick,?idamc@seanet.com, Seattle? > Leaves of Heritage Genealogy > "Let's shake some history from your family tree!"SM > http://www.leavesofheritage.com > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 08:48:32 -0700 (PDT) > From: Connie Sheets <clsheets1@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [TGF] Find a Grave > To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <1350402512.71561.YahooMailClassic@web122602.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Phyllis wrote: > >> And if you don't like obituary information posted on the internet then >> discuss with family members what to include or exclude in the >> obituary. > > That was one of the points of my first post.? I knew my mother's obituary > would be published on the internet, but even with my genealogy background, I > naively thought someone would have to go looking for it. It never dawned on > me Ancestry.com was crawling the tiny rural mortuary's website and it would > be handed to non-related name collectors' public trees via the little green > leaf.? > > Nor did I realize the extent to which people who don't understand (or > willfully violate) copyright would think it's perfectly fine to copy and > paste a just-published obituary into Find-A-Grave.? Find-A-Grave may have a > policy against this, but they don't exactly put effort into enforcement of > the policy. > > Lesson learned. > > BTW, I didn't go looking for my mother at FindAGrave or Ancestry. I stumbled > upon both situations looking for long-deceased relatives and ancestors.?The > unexpected nature of the discovery was part of the distress. > > Connie > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:52:24 -0500 > From: Rollie Littlewood <rklittle@wisc.edu> > Subject: Re: [TGF] photo on US certificate of naturalization as of > what date? > To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <507DACE8.5040905@wisc.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > idamc@seanet.com wrote on 10/15/2012 at 11:45 PM: >> Does anyone know when a photo was first required on a US certificate >> of naturalization? I have an example from 1942, but it must have >> started much earlier than that. The seal is stamped across the bottom >> of the picture but not across the face. His signature is up one side of > the photo.... > According to John J. Newman's/American Naturalization Processes and > Procedures 1790-1985/ (p. 13), this requirement became effective on 1 July > 1929. Like so many mandated changes in procedures, actual implementation of > this requirement spanned several years. > > -- > > Rollie > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 17:55:14 -0400 > From: "Charles S. Mason, Jr." <cgrs791@netscape.com> > Subject: Re: [TGF] photo on US certificate of naturalization as of > what date? > To: "'Rollie Littlewood'" <rklittle@wisc.edu>, > <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <ACE1CC1AEDCC4CE5AE07CDCE7B8B239B@ChuckPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I checked with the person I know who has a lot of knowledge about > immigration and naturalization records. She said that in 1914 the > government began requiring pictures on passport applications. That is when > Kodak developed the technology to do so. She was not sure about the date > for naturalization records. > > As some else mentioned it also would depend on the court where the > naturalization took place. As many of us know there were the laws requiring > what was to be done and then there was actually what the person doing the > work did. They may or may not have followed the laws. > > Chuck Mason > > > -----Original Message----- > From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Rollie Littlewood > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 2:52 PM > To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [TGF] photo on US certificate of naturalization as of what > date? > > idamc@seanet.com wrote on 10/15/2012 at 11:45 PM: >> Does anyone know when a photo was first required on a US certificate >> of naturalization? I have an example from 1942, but it must have >> started much earlier than that. The seal is stamped across the bottom >> of the picture but not across the face. His signature is up one side of > the photo.... > According to John J. Newman's/American Naturalization Processes and > Procedures 1790-1985/ (p. 13), this requirement became effective on 1 July > 1929. Like so many mandated changes in procedures, actual implementation of > this requirement spanned several years. > > -- > > Rollie > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 22:32:27 -0400 > From: Karen Rhodes <bitbucket001@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [TGF] Find-A-Grave > To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <507E18BB.1030506@comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > Some Find-A-Grave postings are done from primary research. As a member of > the Southern Genealogist's Exchange Society in Jacksonville, Florida, I went > on a trip to a local out-of-the-way cemetery (way out in the woods, and it > was a good thing my car is 4-wheel drive) with our two "graveyard rabbits," > who are recording all the cemeteries in Jacksonville, as our society has > been given the responsibility for finding and recording all cemeteries in > the city (which is consolidated with the county) by the City Council. There > was a woman there who was working as a volunteer for Find-A-Grave, and who > was meticulously recording the markers in the cemetery. > > Someone is doing them and the genealogy community in general a (ahem) grave > disservice by faking these entries. I'm sure the powers-that-be at > Find-A-Grave will be appalled to find out. > > Karen Packard Rhodes > currently residing in Pinellas Park, Pinellas County, Florida > > > On 10/14/2012 1:21 PM, Donna McR wrote: >> Silly me. Until recently, I thought the postings on Find-a-Grave were >> sourced from literally reading the gravestones and/or taking photographs. >> In the absence of these, I thought at least some evidence was >> available that the person was buried there---by cemetery records or at >> least by personal knowledge that the grave actually existed in that >> place. Any dates attached to the posting I thought were sourced with one > or all of the above. >> >> However, lately I have been seeing graves posted, along with birth and > death >> dates and information about immediate family, that are just incorrect. > The >> erroneous information just happens to match some incorrect information >> also passed around on internet family trees. >> >> These persons are posting **as fact** information that has no basis of >> proof. It weakens the credibility of the whole project. >> >> So frustrating. >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 6, Issue 562 > *************************************************************** > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 06:19:36 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist" > <king@forensicgenealogyservices.com> > Subject: Re: [TGF] Photo on US Declaration of Intent > To: Dave Robison <dave@oldbones.co>, TGF Mailing List > <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <1288550959.13677899.1350479976669.JavaMail.root@forensicgenealogyservices.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Or just another man with commitment issues? :-) > > best regards, > > Dee > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Robison" <dave@oldbones.co> > > Side note: He "courted" my grandmother for 7 years traveling back > and forth from Williamstown to Springfield. An early long-distance romance > for sure! > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 6, Issue 563 > ***************************************************************

I really dislike to see myself as a complainer, but I've basically given up on using Find-A-Grave except taking care of the graves I am dealing with now. You see back about 10 years ago I helped update a cemetery listing and photos were taken. That information were put online. Now data which is extremely close to that list is now on Find-A-Grave with those exact photos. Granted the same people are not doing it, but it is frustrating not to get credit for hours of work. Anyway do to this I've decided that I'm not putting my family trees online or personal photos. My reasoning is that I do not want others to steal that information either and get credit for that as well. I'm all for sharing, but when my information that I post online is stolen than it makes me think twice about doing it again unless it has a copyright mark. Amy -------------------------------------------------- From: "Karen Rhodes" <bitbucket001@comcast.net> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 9:32 PM To: <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [TGF] Find-A-Grave > > Some Find-A-Grave postings are done from primary research. As a member > of the Southern Genealogist's Exchange Society in Jacksonville, Florida, > I went on a trip to a local out-of-the-way cemetery (way out in the > woods, and it was a good thing my car is 4-wheel drive) with our two > "graveyard rabbits," who are recording all the cemeteries in > Jacksonville, as our society has been given the responsibility for > finding and recording all cemeteries in the city (which is consolidated > with the county) by the City Council. There was a woman there who was > working as a volunteer for Find-A-Grave, and who was meticulously > recording the markers in the cemetery. > > Someone is doing them and the genealogy community in general a (ahem) > grave disservice by faking these entries. I'm sure the powers-that-be > at Find-A-Grave will be appalled to find out. > > Karen Packard Rhodes > currently residing in Pinellas Park, Pinellas County, Florida

There is no 1790, 1800, or 1810 federal census EXCEPT for 1800 Oglethorpe County. I did not know that the 1800 Oglethorpe existed. How this one county survived I have no idea. You won't find this on Ancestry.com nor Heritage Quest. I found a transcription on "USGenWeb" at http://usgwarchives.net/ga/oglethorpe/census.html which made me very curious since I didn't think any censuses survived so I went to the FamilySearch wiki page for "Georgia Censuses Existing and Lost" at https://www.familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Georgia_Censuses_Existing_and_Los t which confirmed that Oglethorpe County 1800 is the only census record that survived out of 1790, 1800 and 1810. Well now that is really good news for me because this census just showed me that my Solomon Patton was married before he married my Lydia Orr in 1806 :) :) :) I am working off of the transcription until I can get a copy of the actual census page :) Michele

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My grandfather's "Declaration of Intent" was dated 19 January 1933 and includes his photograph. So the photo may have been required here and on the Naturalization documents as early as the early 1930's. It was filed "In the Superior Court of Springfield of Hampden County of Massachusetts". It was actually his second declaration as his first had expired. In the end, he never completed the naturalization process and as a result, remained a British citizen who immigrated from Williamstown, Glengarry Co, Ontario, Canada. Side note: He "courted" my grandmother for 7 years traveling back and forth from Williamstown to Springfield. An early long-distance romance for sure! -----Original Message----- From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of transitional-genealogists-forum-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 3:01 AM To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 6, Issue 562 The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. Today's Topics: 1. Re: photo on US certificate of naturalization as of what date? (Angela Kraft) 2. Re: Find a Grave (Connie Sheets) 3. Re: photo on US certificate of naturalization as of what date? (Rollie Littlewood) 4. Re: photo on US certificate of naturalization as of what date? (Charles S. Mason, Jr.) 5. Re: Find-A-Grave (Karen Rhodes) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 07:56:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Angela Kraft <leavesofheritage@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [TGF] photo on US certificate of naturalization as of what date? To: "transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com" <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1350399394.64972.YahooMailNeo@web120404.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Ida, My great grandfather was naturalized in June, 1926 and there was no photo attached to his certificate, just a seal. Maybe it has to do with the court he received his naturalization in, as well as time period. My great grandfather's was issued by the Hampshire County, Massachusetts Superior Court on a certificate labeled "United States of America, Department of Labor." Angela Kraft Leaves of Heritage Genealogy "Let's shake some history from your family tree!"SM http://www.leavesofheritage.com -----Original Message----- From:?transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of idamc@seanet.com Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 12:46 AM To:?transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: [TGF] photo on US certificate of naturalization as of what date? Does anyone know when a photo was first required on a US certificate of naturalization? I have an example from 1942, but it must have started much earlier than that. The seal is stamped across the bottom of the picture but not across the face. His signature is up one side of the photo. Thanks. --Ida Skarson McCormick,?idamc@seanet.com, Seattle? Leaves of Heritage Genealogy "Let's shake some history from your family tree!"SM http://www.leavesofheritage.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 08:48:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Connie Sheets <clsheets1@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [TGF] Find a Grave To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <1350402512.71561.YahooMailClassic@web122602.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Phyllis wrote: > And if you don't like obituary information posted on the internet then > discuss with family members what to include or exclude in the > obituary. That was one of the points of my first post.? I knew my mother's obituary would be published on the internet, but even with my genealogy background, I naively thought someone would have to go looking for it. It never dawned on me Ancestry.com was crawling the tiny rural mortuary's website and it would be handed to non-related name collectors' public trees via the little green leaf.? Nor did I realize the extent to which people who don't understand (or willfully violate) copyright would think it's perfectly fine to copy and paste a just-published obituary into Find-A-Grave.? Find-A-Grave may have a policy against this, but they don't exactly put effort into enforcement of the policy. Lesson learned. BTW, I didn't go looking for my mother at FindAGrave or Ancestry. I stumbled upon both situations looking for long-deceased relatives and ancestors.?The unexpected nature of the discovery was part of the distress. Connie ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:52:24 -0500 From: Rollie Littlewood <rklittle@wisc.edu> Subject: Re: [TGF] photo on US certificate of naturalization as of what date? To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <507DACE8.5040905@wisc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed idamc@seanet.com wrote on 10/15/2012 at 11:45 PM: > Does anyone know when a photo was first required on a US certificate > of naturalization? I have an example from 1942, but it must have > started much earlier than that. The seal is stamped across the bottom > of the picture but not across the face. His signature is up one side of the photo.... According to John J. Newman's/American Naturalization Processes and Procedures 1790-1985/ (p. 13), this requirement became effective on 1 July 1929. Like so many mandated changes in procedures, actual implementation of this requirement spanned several years. -- Rollie ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 17:55:14 -0400 From: "Charles S. Mason, Jr." <cgrs791@netscape.com> Subject: Re: [TGF] photo on US certificate of naturalization as of what date? To: "'Rollie Littlewood'" <rklittle@wisc.edu>, <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <ACE1CC1AEDCC4CE5AE07CDCE7B8B239B@ChuckPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I checked with the person I know who has a lot of knowledge about immigration and naturalization records. She said that in 1914 the government began requiring pictures on passport applications. That is when Kodak developed the technology to do so. She was not sure about the date for naturalization records. As some else mentioned it also would depend on the court where the naturalization took place. As many of us know there were the laws requiring what was to be done and then there was actually what the person doing the work did. They may or may not have followed the laws. Chuck Mason -----Original Message----- From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rollie Littlewood Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 2:52 PM To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TGF] photo on US certificate of naturalization as of what date? idamc@seanet.com wrote on 10/15/2012 at 11:45 PM: > Does anyone know when a photo was first required on a US certificate > of naturalization? I have an example from 1942, but it must have > started much earlier than that. The seal is stamped across the bottom > of the picture but not across the face. His signature is up one side of the photo.... According to John J. Newman's/American Naturalization Processes and Procedures 1790-1985/ (p. 13), this requirement became effective on 1 July 1929. Like so many mandated changes in procedures, actual implementation of this requirement spanned several years. -- Rollie The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 22:32:27 -0400 From: Karen Rhodes <bitbucket001@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [TGF] Find-A-Grave To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <507E18BB.1030506@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Some Find-A-Grave postings are done from primary research. As a member of the Southern Genealogist's Exchange Society in Jacksonville, Florida, I went on a trip to a local out-of-the-way cemetery (way out in the woods, and it was a good thing my car is 4-wheel drive) with our two "graveyard rabbits," who are recording all the cemeteries in Jacksonville, as our society has been given the responsibility for finding and recording all cemeteries in the city (which is consolidated with the county) by the City Council. There was a woman there who was working as a volunteer for Find-A-Grave, and who was meticulously recording the markers in the cemetery. Someone is doing them and the genealogy community in general a (ahem) grave disservice by faking these entries. I'm sure the powers-that-be at Find-A-Grave will be appalled to find out. Karen Packard Rhodes currently residing in Pinellas Park, Pinellas County, Florida On 10/14/2012 1:21 PM, Donna McR wrote: > Silly me. Until recently, I thought the postings on Find-a-Grave were > sourced from literally reading the gravestones and/or taking photographs. > In the absence of these, I thought at least some evidence was > available that the person was buried there---by cemetery records or at > least by personal knowledge that the grave actually existed in that > place. Any dates attached to the posting I thought were sourced with one or all of the above. > > However, lately I have been seeing graves posted, along with birth and death > dates and information about immediate family, that are just incorrect. The > erroneous information just happens to match some incorrect information > also passed around on internet family trees. > > These persons are posting **as fact** information that has no basis of > proof. It weakens the credibility of the whole project. > > So frustrating. > > ------------------------------ End of TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 6, Issue 562 ***************************************************************

Or just another man with commitment issues? :-) best regards, Dee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Robison" <dave@oldbones.co> Side note: He "courted" my grandmother for 7 years traveling back and forth from Williamstown to Springfield. An early long-distance romance for sure!

Some Find-A-Grave postings are done from primary research. As a member of the Southern Genealogist's Exchange Society in Jacksonville, Florida, I went on a trip to a local out-of-the-way cemetery (way out in the woods, and it was a good thing my car is 4-wheel drive) with our two "graveyard rabbits," who are recording all the cemeteries in Jacksonville, as our society has been given the responsibility for finding and recording all cemeteries in the city (which is consolidated with the county) by the City Council. There was a woman there who was working as a volunteer for Find-A-Grave, and who was meticulously recording the markers in the cemetery. Someone is doing them and the genealogy community in general a (ahem) grave disservice by faking these entries. I'm sure the powers-that-be at Find-A-Grave will be appalled to find out. Karen Packard Rhodes currently residing in Pinellas Park, Pinellas County, Florida On 10/14/2012 1:21 PM, Donna McR wrote: > Silly me. Until recently, I thought the postings on Find-a-Grave were > sourced from literally reading the gravestones and/or taking photographs. > In the absence of these, I thought at least some evidence was available that > the person was buried there---by cemetery records or at least by personal > knowledge that the grave actually existed in that place. Any dates attached > to the posting I thought were sourced with one or all of the above. > > However, lately I have been seeing graves posted, along with birth and death > dates and information about immediate family, that are just incorrect. The > erroneous information just happens to match some incorrect information also > passed around on internet family trees. > > These persons are posting **as fact** information that has no basis of > proof. It weakens the credibility of the whole project. > > So frustrating. > >

I checked with the person I know who has a lot of knowledge about immigration and naturalization records. She said that in 1914 the government began requiring pictures on passport applications. That is when Kodak developed the technology to do so. She was not sure about the date for naturalization records. As some else mentioned it also would depend on the court where the naturalization took place. As many of us know there were the laws requiring what was to be done and then there was actually what the person doing the work did. They may or may not have followed the laws. Chuck Mason -----Original Message----- From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rollie Littlewood Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 2:52 PM To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TGF] photo on US certificate of naturalization as of what date? idamc@seanet.com wrote on 10/15/2012 at 11:45 PM: > Does anyone know when a photo was first required on a US certificate of > naturalization? I have an example from 1942, but it must have started much > earlier than that. The seal is stamped across the bottom of the picture > but not across the face. His signature is up one side of the photo.... According to John J. Newman's/American Naturalization Processes and Procedures 1790-1985/ (p. 13), this requirement became effective on 1 July 1929. Like so many mandated changes in procedures, actual implementation of this requirement spanned several years. -- Rollie The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

idamc@seanet.com wrote on 10/15/2012 at 11:45 PM: > Does anyone know when a photo was first required on a US certificate of > naturalization? I have an example from 1942, but it must have started much > earlier than that. The seal is stamped across the bottom of the picture > but not across the face. His signature is up one side of the photo.... According to John J. Newman's/American Naturalization Processes and Procedures 1790-1985/ (p. 13), this requirement became effective on 1 July 1929. Like so many mandated changes in procedures, actual implementation of this requirement spanned several years. -- Rollie

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Phyllis wrote: > And if you don't like obituary information posted on the > internet then > discuss with family members what to include or exclude in > the obituary. That was one of the points of my first post.  I knew my mother's obituary would be published on the internet, but even with my genealogy background, I naively thought someone would have to go looking for it. It never dawned on me Ancestry.com was crawling the tiny rural mortuary's website and it would be handed to non-related name collectors' public trees via the little green leaf.  Nor did I realize the extent to which people who don't understand (or willfully violate) copyright would think it's perfectly fine to copy and paste a just-published obituary into Find-A-Grave.  Find-A-Grave may have a policy against this, but they don't exactly put effort into enforcement of the policy. Lesson learned. BTW, I didn't go looking for my mother at FindAGrave or Ancestry. I stumbled upon both situations looking for long-deceased relatives and ancestors. The unexpected nature of the discovery was part of the distress. Connie

Connie, I didn't think of you as a "complainer"--but as one pointing out the poor judgement of an individual on FindAGrave. :) Janis Walker Gilmore Pawleys Island, SC On Oct 15, 2012, at 8:54 PM, Connie Sheets wrote: > I appreciate Find-A-Grave and its volunteers, use it often, and upload photographs of gravestones whenever possible. I agree that most people probably think they are creating the memorials as a service. Canvassing cemeteries, photographing gravestones, etc. is a wonderful service. > > As one of the so-called "complainers," however, I think it is important to clarify that my problem is with RECENT DEATHS where there is no gravestone to photograph or transcribe. > > While the people who are copying recent obituaries and death notices willy-nilly may have the best of intentions, those intentions are misguided. If I'd wanted an online "memorial" to my mother posted within three days of her death, I would have arranged for it. If I'd wanted her obituary published on Find-A-Grave, or anywhere other than the places I chose to publish it, I would have done so. > > Others have expressed more eloquently than I can the emotional jolt that can occur when one discovers a complete stranger has taken it upon themselves to add their recently deceased loved one to FindAGrave. I just ask that, in our passion to promote genealogy, we be more sensitive to the fact that there may be family members, especially of a recently deceased person, who think differently than we do about online services like FindAGrave. > > Connie > > > > > > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ida, I am not sure exactly when the practice started, but I have seen them on some around 1918 or 1919. I will be at a meeting later today and know someone to ask. You may get an answer before, but I will let you know what she says. Chuck Mason -----Original Message----- From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of idamc@seanet.com Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 12:46 AM To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: [TGF] photo on US certificate of naturalization as of what date? Does anyone know when a photo was first required on a US certificate of naturalization? I have an example from 1942, but it must have started much earlier than that. The seal is stamped across the bottom of the picture but not across the face. His signature is up one side of the photo. Thanks. --Ida Skarson McCormick, idamc@seanet.com, Seattle The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message