Michele, if she were Catholic, this might have been the Saint's name she took when she was confirmed. Honey Michele, Is it possible that she was baptized and given the middle name Lillian then? I have an uncle who has one middle name on his birth certificate and a different one on his baptismal certificate. My grandfather wanted a different middle name from what my grandmother wanted. My grandfather was the person who gave the name for the birth certificate and my grandmother gave the name for the baptism. My uncle used both middle names or more often both initials. I have also seen cases where later there were corrections recorded to birth certificates. Often this was to add a name to a birth certificate that originally did not include the child’s name and only listed the child as male or female. A middle name might also have been added to the name at that time. Chuck Mason Subject: [TGF] The things you find :) My mother-in-law always said her name was Miriam Lillian Wood. All of the documents have her name like this including her SS card, her children’s birth certificates and her death certificate. I have her birth certificate from 1928. Her legal name was Miriam Wood. She didn’t have a middle name ☺ It makes me wonder, did her parents give her the middle name after she was born or did Miriam pick one for herself when she was older. We will never know. The only reason I have this birth certificate is that it was found among her effects when she died in 1987. No way I could get a birth certificate here in Georgia. michele The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Baptists are baptized as older children/teenagers/adults, not as infants. When you are baptized there is no name change. It is possible that there is an amended birth certificate but if there was, I would have though Miriam would have had a copy of that one and not the original. There is no way I can check to see if there is an amended birth certificate. Georgia won't release it. They will only release birth certificates to the 3 people named on it no matter how much time has passed. I think it is more likely that whether her parents added a middle name or she did it was an informal change. It isn't that big of a deal but it is interesting. I have her legal name recorded in the database with her middle name explained in the notes. Miriam has 2 sisters still living. One has advanced Alzheimers so no answers there. The other sister was much younger (16 years) and she says that she always knew her as Miriam Lillian. Michele

Michele, Is it possible that she was baptized and given the middle name Lillian then? I have an uncle who has one middle name on his birth certificate and a different one on his baptismal certificate. My grandfather wanted a different middle name from what my grandmother wanted. My grandfather was the person who gave the name for the birth certificate and my grandmother gave the name for the baptism. My uncle used both middle names or more often both initials. I have also seen cases where later there were corrections recorded to birth certificates. Often this was to add a name to a birth certificate that originally did not include the child’s name and only listed the child as male or female. A middle name might also have been added to the name at that time. Chuck Mason -----Original Message----- From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michele Lewis Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 8:56 AM To: TGF Mailing List Subject: [TGF] The things you find :) My mother-in-law always said her name was Miriam Lillian Wood. All of the documents have her name like this including her SS card, her children’s birth certificates and her death certificate. I have her birth certificate from 1928. Her legal name was Miriam Wood. She didn’t have a middle name ☺ It makes me wonder, did her parents give her the middle name after she was born or did Miriam pick one for herself when she was older. We will never know. The only reason I have this birth certificate is that it was found among her effects when she died in 1987. No way I could get a birth certificate here in Georgia. michele The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My mother-in-law always said her name was Miriam Lillian Wood. All of the documents have her name like this including her SS card, her children’s birth certificates and her death certificate. I have her birth certificate from 1928. Her legal name was Miriam Wood. She didn’t have a middle name ☺ It makes me wonder, did her parents give her the middle name after she was born or did Miriam pick one for herself when she was older. We will never know. The only reason I have this birth certificate is that it was found among her effects when she died in 1987. No way I could get a birth certificate here in Georgia. michele

In addition to Kathy's great suggestions, try the Library of Congress card catalog, check under both Works Progress Administration and Historical Records Survey (which was at least sometimes the division under which the cemetery surveys were done). Also the LC has links to "Ask a Librarian," and you get personal responses. Staff can be **most** helpful. Even if LC does not have the publication, there have been compiled listings of WPA publications that could be a resource. Your tax dollars at work! Good hunting, Judy **************************************************************************** Greg wrote: >How would you cite WPA cemetery survey records? I am looking at online > scans of the original book from 1939. The NC Dept. of Cultural Resources > has scanned the surveys for 98 of the 100 counties in North Carolina and > placed them online.

See EE, p. 673, for missing publication details (indexed under "publication data, missing"). Before accepting an absent publication date, I'd attempt to fully explore the site in case the information is provided elsewhere, or Google the publication. Re first question: The citation data for the digitized images of the WPA compilation at North Carolina Digital Collections cites their source as the North Carolina State Archives, so your citation to the digital image will need to include that information as well. Hope this helps a bit, Greg. I definitely am not "a citation master." Kathy On 10/24/2012 6:51 AM, Greg Lovelace wrote: > > Kathy, > > Thanks so much for the information. A question arises from the EE > model on p. 774 which you mention. The format for "WPA Works: > Original Editions" shows the Louisiana records cited in the example > to be published 1940-42 in New Orleans. If I cannot find the > publication date and place for the online images I access, is it > acceptable to omit those from the citation as long as I include the > information about the online images? > > Thanks.... > > Peace, > > Part of the Tree, > > Greg > > *From:*Kathy Gunter Sullivan, CG [mailto:sully1@carolina.rr.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 23, 2012 11:20 PM > *To:* Greg Lovelace > *Cc:* TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM@rootsweb.com > *Subject:* Re: [TGF] FW: Citing WPA Cemetery records > > Greg, > > The site provides a citation in a source list format: United States. > Works Projects Administration Historical Records Survey of North > Carolina 1937. > But the digital image of page 25's title and year conflicts with the > site's citation of the year 1937: Asa Lovelace Cemetery, Boiling > Springs, Cleveland County, North Carolna; Historical Records Survey > of North Carolina 1939. > > For Works Projects Adminstration (WPA) publication citation models > in /Evidence Explained/, see 554, 627, and 774. > > > > On 10/23/2012 10:32 PM, Greg Lovelace wrote: > > All, > > > > Rondina suggested I post the link to the image I'm accessing. Here is the > > link to the book: > > <http://digital.ncdcr.gov/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=%2Fp15012coll1&CISOPTR=36296&CISOOP1=exact&REC=15&CISOBOX=love> <http://digital.ncdcr.gov/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=%2Fp15012coll1&CISOPTR=36296&CISOOP1=exact&REC=15&CISOBOX=love> > > > > It is actually the result of a search for the string "love", and the > > cemetery I'm looking at is on page 25 from the list on the left. > > > > Thanks, Rondina, for reminding me to do this... > > > > Peace, > > Part of the Tree, > > Greg > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com <mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com> > > [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > > Greg Lovelace > > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:50 PM > > To:TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM@rootsweb.com <mailto:TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM@rootsweb.com> > > Subject: [TGF] Citing WPA Cemetery records > > > > Hey, y'all. I need help! > > > > How would you cite WPA cemetery survey records? I am looking at online > > scans of the original book from 1939. The NC Dept. of Cultural Resources > > has scanned the surveys for 98 of the 100 counties in North Carolina and > > placed them online. If I read correctly, each county was an independent > > project, and the transcriptions were published separately by county. I have > > looked in _Evidence_Explained_ and found section 5.21 for "Compiled Cemetery > > Records: Published Works", but I cannot for the life of me find where these > > things were actually published. I'm looking in particular at a single > > transcription in a single cemetery included in the survey. Can anyone give > > me some guidance? > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Peace, > > > > Part of the Tree, > > > > Greg > > >

Thank you to everyone who responded publicly and privately to my questions. You've given me good ideas to think about. It's always helpful to see other perspectives. Connie

Kathy, Thanks so much for the information. A question arises from the EE model on p. 774 which you mention. The format for "WPA Works: Original Editions" shows the Louisiana records cited in the example to be published 1940-42 in New Orleans. If I cannot find the publication date and place for the online images I access, is it acceptable to omit those from the citation as long as I include the information about the online images? Thanks.. Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg From: Kathy Gunter Sullivan, CG [mailto:sully1@carolina.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 11:20 PM To: Greg Lovelace Cc: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TGF] FW: Citing WPA Cemetery records Greg, The site provides a citation in a source list format: United States. Works Projects Administration Historical Records Survey of North Carolina 1937. But the digital image of page 25's title and year conflicts with the site's citation of the year 1937: Asa Lovelace Cemetery, Boiling Springs, Cleveland County, North Carolna; Historical Records Survey of North Carolina 1939. For Works Projects Adminstration (WPA) publication citation models in Evidence Explained, see 554, 627, and 774. On 10/23/2012 10:32 PM, Greg Lovelace wrote: All, Rondina suggested I post the link to the image I'm accessing. Here is the link to the book: <http://digital.ncdcr.gov/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=%2Fp15012coll1&CISOPTR= 36296&CISOOP1=exact&REC=15&CISOBOX=love> <http://digital.ncdcr.gov/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=%2Fp15012coll1&CISOPTR= 36296&CISOOP1=exact&REC=15&CISOBOX=love> It is actually the result of a search for the string "love", and the cemetery I'm looking at is on page 25 from the list on the left. Thanks, Rondina, for reminding me to do this... Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg -----Original Message----- From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Greg Lovelace Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:50 PM To: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM@rootsweb.com Subject: [TGF] Citing WPA Cemetery records Hey, y'all. I need help! How would you cite WPA cemetery survey records? I am looking at online scans of the original book from 1939. The NC Dept. of Cultural Resources has scanned the surveys for 98 of the 100 counties in North Carolina and placed them online. If I read correctly, each county was an independent project, and the transcriptions were published separately by county. I have looked in _Evidence_Explained_ and found section 5.21 for "Compiled Cemetery Records: Published Works", but I cannot for the life of me find where these things were actually published. I'm looking in particular at a single transcription in a single cemetery included in the survey. Can anyone give me some guidance? Thanks in advance. Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg

Greg, The site provides a citation in a source list format: United States. Works Projects Administration Historical Records Survey of North Carolina 1937. But the digital image of page 25's title and year conflicts with the site's citation of the year 1937: Asa Lovelace Cemetery, Boiling Springs, Cleveland County, North Carolna; Historical Records Survey of North Carolina 1939. For Works Projects Adminstration (WPA) publication citation models in /Evidence Explained/, see 554, 627, and 774. On 10/23/2012 10:32 PM, Greg Lovelace wrote: > All, > > Rondina suggested I post the link to the image I'm accessing. Here is the > link to the book: > <http://digital.ncdcr.gov/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=%2Fp15012coll1&CISOPTR=36296&CISOOP1=exact&REC=15&CISOBOX=love> > > It is actually the result of a search for the string "love", and the > cemetery I'm looking at is on page 25 from the list on the left. > > Thanks, Rondina, for reminding me to do this... > > Peace, > Part of the Tree, > Greg > > -----Original Message----- > From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Greg Lovelace > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:50 PM > To: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM@rootsweb.com > Subject: [TGF] Citing WPA Cemetery records > > Hey, y'all. I need help! > > How would you cite WPA cemetery survey records? I am looking at online > scans of the original book from 1939. The NC Dept. of Cultural Resources > has scanned the surveys for 98 of the 100 counties in North Carolina and > placed them online. If I read correctly, each county was an independent > project, and the transcriptions were published separately by county. I have > looked in _Evidence_Explained_ and found section 5.21 for "Compiled Cemetery > Records: Published Works", but I cannot for the life of me find where these > things were actually published. I'm looking in particular at a single > transcription in a single cemetery included in the survey. Can anyone give > me some guidance? > > Thanks in advance. > > Peace, > > Part of the Tree, > > Greg >

All, Rondina suggested I post the link to the image I'm accessing. Here is the link to the book: http://digital.ncdcr.gov/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=%2Fp15012coll1&CISOPTR=3 6296&CISOOP1=exact&REC=15&CISOBOX=love It is actually the result of a search for the string "love", and the cemetery I'm looking at is on page 25 from the list on the left. Thanks, Rondina, for reminding me to do this... Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg -----Original Message----- From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Greg Lovelace Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:50 PM To: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM@rootsweb.com Subject: [TGF] Citing WPA Cemetery records Hey, y'all. I need help! How would you cite WPA cemetery survey records? I am looking at online scans of the original book from 1939. The NC Dept. of Cultural Resources has scanned the surveys for 98 of the 100 counties in North Carolina and placed them online. If I read correctly, each county was an independent project, and the transcriptions were published separately by county. I have looked in _Evidence_Explained_ and found section 5.21 for "Compiled Cemetery Records: Published Works", but I cannot for the life of me find where these things were actually published. I'm looking in particular at a single transcription in a single cemetery included in the survey. Can anyone give me some guidance? Thanks in advance. Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hey, y'all. I need help! How would you cite WPA cemetery survey records? I am looking at online scans of the original book from 1939. The NC Dept. of Cultural Resources has scanned the surveys for 98 of the 100 counties in North Carolina and placed them online. If I read correctly, each county was an independent project, and the transcriptions were published separately by county. I have looked in _Evidence_Explained_ and found section 5.21 for "Compiled Cemetery Records: Published Works", but I cannot for the life of me find where these things were actually published. I'm looking in particular at a single transcription in a single cemetery included in the survey. Can anyone give me some guidance? Thanks in advance. Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg

While at least one genealogy blogger speculated that yesterday's FamilySearch.org down-time was due to reworking something in preparation for public "release" of the FS-Family Tree, actually the cause was a problem with the Amazon.com servers used by FamilySearch. See the comment here: _https://getsatisfaction.com/familysearch/topics/please_put_banner_notificat ion_on_main_search_page_when_hr_servers_not_working_ (https://getsatisfaction.com/familysearch/topics/please_put_banner_notification_on_main_search_page _when_hr_servers_not_working) I do not know about problems today, I had good success this morning with a few searches. Good hunting, Judy ********************************************************* Susan wrote, I haven’t been able to get on familysearch for two days. Message apologizes for not being available. Is this a problem for all, or should I be checking my system?

Yes indeed there was a 1782 Continental Census. For VA you can find a little information on it in Hening's _Statutes At Large_, most kindly transcribed and indexed for us by Freddie L. Spradlin, here: _http://www.vagenweb.org/hening/_ (http://www.vagenweb.org/hening/) Not all of the Counties' 1782 listings survive. There is a transcript on the Census Bureau site which you can upload. I couldn't tell you how to find it by a site search, but ran across it on a page of links to publications for which there is **not** a page listing what all the publications actually are. They have very obscure filenames. On the following page, look for 1790m-02.pdf _http://www2.census.gov/prod2/decennial/documents/_ (http://www2.census.gov/prod2/decennial/documents/) Good hunting, Judy ************************************** Chuck wrote: Has anyone ever heard of a Continental Census of 1782? I have a friend that found a reference to it and some of her ancestors are suppose to be included in it in Virginia. The message referenced an index on Ancestry.com, but she could not actually find the census.

I haven’t been able to get on familysearch for two days. Message apologizes for not being available. Is this a problem for all, or should I be checking my system? Thanks, Susan Cline Cline Research Services

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You may find this blog post about the 1782 Census of Virginia by Arlene Eakle enlightening. http://www.arleneeakle.com/wordpress/2008/01/08/the-1782-census-of-virginia/ Kimberly On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Charles S. Mason, Jr. <cgrs791@netscape.com> wrote: > Has anyone ever heard of a Continental Census of 1782? I have a friend that > found a reference to it and some of her ancestors are suppose to be included > in it in Virginia. The message referenced an index on Ancestry.com, but she > could not actually find the census. > > Thanks for any help you can give. > > Chuck Mason > > Charles S. Mason, Jr., CG >

This is such a great list. I learn something new every day. :) Eileen _______________________________ Eileen A Souza Eldersburg, MD Old Bones Genealogy LLC info@oldbonesgenealogy.com www.oldbonesgenealogy.com > -----Original Message----- > From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Jillaine Smith > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 1:20 PM > To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com > Subject: [TGF] Favorite quote of the day > > Working on a wiki, I asked about the source of information someone had > provided. She couldn't find the info, but added this: > > "I believe the info is correct as several people entered it, even though some of the > dates are different." > > I feel so much better knowing this. Phew. > > Jillaine Smith > Bringing Your Ancestors to Life > ancestors2life.wordpress.com > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL- > GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Has anyone ever heard of a Continental Census of 1782? I have a friend that found a reference to it and some of her ancestors are suppose to be included in it in Virginia. The message referenced an index on Ancestry.com, but she could not actually find the census. Thanks for any help you can give. Chuck Mason Charles S. Mason, Jr., CG Past President of the Fairfax and Mt. Vernon Genealogical Societies. Certified Genealogist and CG are Service Marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists and used here under license.

Julaine Yup, that really confirms it for me!! ;-) Just think of all those trees copied and copied, ad infinitum on various websites... the more you copy them the more accurate they are! Erica Voolich On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Jillaine Smith <jillainedc@yahoo.com>wrote: > Working on a wiki, I asked about the source of information someone had > provided. She couldn't find the info, but added this: > > "I believe the info is correct as several people entered it, even though > some of the dates are different." > > I feel so much better knowing this. Phew. > > Jillaine Smith > Bringing Your Ancestors to Life > ancestors2life.wordpress.com > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Erica Dakin Voolich •Genealogist, check out my genealogy blogs http://genea-adventures.blogspot.com http://ursulawright.blogspot.com •President The Somerville Mathematics Fund, an Affiliate of Dollars for Scholars Chapter, Winner of the 2011, New England Chapter of the Year Award Chapter, Winner of the 2003-2004 *Golden Tassel* Service Award We celebrate and encourage mathematics achievement in Somerville MA! http://www.somervillemathematicsfund.org Become a fan on our Facebook page: Facebook | Somerville Mathematics Fund Check out my blog: http://somervillemathematics.blogspot.com/

If this was on Facebook I would have 'liked' it! Rosalie ----- Original Message ----- From: Jillaine Smith <jillainedc@yahoo.com> To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 13:20:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [TGF] Favorite quote of the day Working on a wiki, I asked about the source of information someone had provided. She couldn't find the info, but added this: "I believe the info is correct as several people entered it, even though some of the dates are different." I feel so much better knowing this. Phew. Jillaine Smith Bringing Your Ancestors to Life ancestors2life.wordpress.com The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message