Thank heavens for competition, even if it didn't last very long! Harold On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Michele Lewis <ancestoring@gmail.com>wrote: > I see it now, Rebecca. There is a tab "find by page number" where you can > access the other censuses if you know what you are looking for. In my case > this would have worked because I do know the page number. I will say > though, the Internet Archives census records that Kimberly suggested worked > out great. The images were very clear. I couldn't believe the difference > between that and Ancestry/FamilySearch. > > > > > > Michele > > > > > > From: Rebecca Christensen [mailto:rchristen@sbcglobal.net] > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 10:11 AM > To: Michele Lewis; transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [TGF] Heritage Quest > > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Harold Henderson midwestroots.net Research, Writing, and Brickwall Dismantling from Northwest Indiana Regularly Researching at the Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center Certified Genealogist (SM) No. 1029 Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists® used by the Board to identify its program of genealogical competencyevaluation and used under license by the Board’s associates.

I access Heritage Quest through our library. The images are there; however, 1830, 1840 and 1850 are not INDEXED. 1930 and 1940 are only partially indexed. The rest of the years are. You can browse through the images though. Cheryl Cheryl Brown Abernathy The Past Lane www.thepastlane.com Fredericksburg, OH Member APG & Great Lakes APG, Ohio Genealogical Society, National Genealogical Society Join us in Cincinnati 25-27 April 2013 for the Ohio Genealogical Society Conference, “Expanding Your Ancestry through Technology”, at the Millennium Hotel. On October 28, 2012, Michael Lewis wrote: >For all of those that emailed me telling me that Heritage Quest has a >complete set of census images I went back to look at Galileo to make >sure that I am not crazy. This is a copy and paste of the Heritage >Quest censuses available on Galileo. 1830, 1840, and 1850 are missing. >(Galileo is a portal to the University of Georgia system that anyone >with a Georgia library card can use). To double check, I also clicked >on the drop down box where you can search by specific year and 1830, >1840 and 1850 are missing there too. I can't explain why Galileo would >have a subscription to Heritage Quest but not all of the census years. > > >1790 >1800 >1810 >1820 >1860 >1870 >1880 >1890 >1900 >1910 >1920 >1930 (partial) >1940 (partial) > >Michele > > > >The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive >environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition >to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this >list. >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL- >GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Look higher, by the tabs at the top where there is "census, books, Persi" etc. Right under "census" is "search" and "browse." Click the browse. It took me about a minute to find your entry yesterday that way on HQ. If you can't read the page number(s) on Ancestry, find a family number, and compare with that on HQ. If you need to go up by say 350 houses (I forget what the actual number was with yours), I usually divide by 7 or 8, so if you need to go up 350 houses, then go up 50 pages. Change the number in "go to image" box. It will usually get you in the ballpark, that a couple other up or down views as needed you can usually find the page in three or 4 adjustments. Rick Saunders -----Original Message----- >From: Michele Lewis <ancestoring@gmail.com> >Sent: Oct 28, 2012 10:21 AM >To: 'Rebecca Christensen' <rchristen@sbcglobal.net>, transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [TGF] Heritage Quest > >I see it now, Rebecca. There is a tab "find by page number" where you can >access the other censuses if you know what you are looking for. In my case >this would have worked because I do know the page number. I will say >though, the Internet Archives census records that Kimberly suggested worked >out great. The images were very clear. I couldn't believe the difference >between that and Ancestry/FamilySearch. > > > > > >Michele >

Thank you so much, Rebecca. I never noticed the Browse selection in HeritageQuest before--bad case of tunnel vision. I will surely remember it from now on. Eileen _______________________________ Eileen A Souza Eldersburg, MD Old Bones Genealogy LLC info@oldbonesgenealogy.com www.oldbonesgenealogy.com

Michele, You are correct. I just checked my public library sites, who subscribe through something called SAILOR, and the 1830, 1840 and 1850 are not listed. Eileen _______________________________ Eileen A Souza Eldersburg, MD Old Bones Genealogy LLC info@oldbonesgenealogy.com www.oldbonesgenealogy.com

For all of those that emailed me telling me that Heritage Quest has a complete set of census images I went back to look at Galileo to make sure that I am not crazy. This is a copy and paste of the Heritage Quest censuses available on Galileo. 1830, 1840, and 1850 are missing. (Galileo is a portal to the University of Georgia system that anyone with a Georgia library card can use). To double check, I also clicked on the drop down box where you can search by specific year and 1830, 1840 and 1850 are missing there too. I can't explain why Galileo would have a subscription to Heritage Quest but not all of the census years. 1790 1800 1810 1820 1860 1870 1880 1890 1900 1910 1920 1930 (partial) 1940 (partial) Michele

That is the list of censuses with INDEXES available on HeritageQuest.  These are the searchable censuses. HeritageQuest usually comes up with the default view of "Search."  There should be a "Browse" view as well that has all of the census images for all census years. It is under the Browse view that you can find the 1850 and other "missing" census records.  The images should be there, you just have to browse through them (using year, state, county, township, etc.) rather than searching by name. Rebecca Christensen --- On Sun, 10/28/12, Michele Lewis <ancestoring@gmail.com> wrote: From: Michele Lewis <ancestoring@gmail.com> Subject: [TGF] Heritage Quest To: "TGF Mailing List" <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, October 28, 2012, 7:28 AM For all of those that emailed me telling me that Heritage Quest has a complete set of census images I went back to look at Galileo to make sure that I am not crazy.  This is a copy and paste of the Heritage Quest censuses available on Galileo.  1830, 1840, and 1850 are missing.  (Galileo is a portal to the University of Georgia system that anyone with a Georgia library card can use).  To double check, I also clicked on the drop down box where you can search by specific year and 1830, 1840 and 1850 are missing there too.  I can't explain why Galileo would have a subscription to Heritage Quest but not all of the census years. 1790 1800 1810 1820 1860 1870 1880 1890 1900 1910 1920 1930 (partial) 1940 (partial) Michele

Thanks, Kimberly. I've been searching for alternate filmings of the 1850 Georgia census! Honey Don't forget the census images on Archive.org. They were independently digitized from microfilm at the Allen County Public Library, and a great alternative in situations like this. http://archive.org/details/1850_census Kimberly On Oct 27, 2012, at 2:35 PM, "Michele Lewis" <ancestoring@gmail.com> wrote: > Has anyone seen a census image that looks like this? > http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View > <http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=8054&iid=4193241-00445& > fn=Dickson&ln=Rachel&st=r&ssrc=&pid=18717376> > &r=an&dbid=8054&iid=4193241-00445&fn=Dickson&ln=Rachel&st=r&ssrc=&pid=187173 > 76 It looks the same if you pull it up on FamilySearch. Heritage Quest > doesn't have the 1850 (or at least the version I have access to on Galileo > doesn't). Does this look like a filming issue to you?

Kimberly, I did NOT know this! You are my new best friend :) I found the page with no problem and it is clear as a bell! WOW!!!!! Michele -----Original Message----- From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kimberly Powell Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 3:47 PM To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TGF] This census image Don't forget the census images on Archive.org. They were independently digitized fro m microfilm at the Allen County Public Library, and a great alternative in situations like this. http://archive.org/details/1850_census Kimberly

Don't forget the census images on Archive.org. They were independently digitized from microfilm at the Allen County Public Library, and a great alternative in situations like this. http://archive.org/details/1850_census Kimberly Sent from my iPhone On Oct 27, 2012, at 2:35 PM, "Michele Lewis" <ancestoring@gmail.com> wrote: > Has anyone seen a census image that looks like this? > http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View > <http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=8054&iid=4193241-00445& > fn=Dickson&ln=Rachel&st=r&ssrc=&pid=18717376> > &r=an&dbid=8054&iid=4193241-00445&fn=Dickson&ln=Rachel&st=r&ssrc=&pid=187173 > 76 It looks the same if you pull it up on FamilySearch. Heritage Quest > doesn't have the 1850 (or at least the version I have access to on Galileo > doesn't). Does this look like a filming issue to you? > > > > Michele > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does Ancestry take requests for refilming? Michele From: Harold Henderson [mailto:librarytraveler@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 2:56 PM To: Michele Lewis Cc: TGF Mailing List Subject: Re: [TGF] This census image Yes. Yes. On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Michele Lewis <ancestoring@gmail.com> wrote: Has anyone seen a census image that looks like this? http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View <http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View <http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=8054&iid=4193241-00445& fn=Dickson&ln=Rachel&st=r&ssrc=&pid=18717376> &r=an&dbid=8054&iid=4193241-00445& fn=Dickson&ln=Rachel&st=r&ssrc=&pid=18717376> &r=an&dbid=8054&iid=4193241-00445&fn=Dickson&ln=Rachel&st=r&ssrc=&pid=187173 76 It looks the same if you pull it up on FamilySearch. Heritage Quest doesn't have the 1850 (or at least the version I have access to on Galileo doesn't). Does this look like a filming issue to you? Michele

Hi, I had a booth at a local church fair today and was approached by someone who would like to learn about a Cherokee Bride in her family. She has the Groom's father's name and immigration information and the Groom's birth and marriage dates and knows the marriage was in Kentucky to a Cherokee. (Photo of the couple has been misplaced.) This woman lives local to me in Massachusetts and does not use the computer. I would love to connect her to a genealogist who could help her locate something about the bride. Please contact me off list at cmakny@hotmail.com if you are interested in talking with her. Thanks!Seema KenneyMass Researchers

Has anyone seen a census image that looks like this? http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View <http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=8054&iid=4193241-00445& fn=Dickson&ln=Rachel&st=r&ssrc=&pid=18717376> &r=an&dbid=8054&iid=4193241-00445&fn=Dickson&ln=Rachel&st=r&ssrc=&pid=187173 76 It looks the same if you pull it up on FamilySearch. Heritage Quest doesn't have the 1850 (or at least the version I have access to on Galileo doesn't). Does this look like a filming issue to you? Michele

Yes. Yes. On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Michele Lewis <ancestoring@gmail.com>wrote: > Has anyone seen a census image that looks like this? > http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View > < > http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=8054&iid=4193241-00445& > fn=Dickson&ln=Rachel&st=r&ssrc=&pid=18717376> > > &r=an&dbid=8054&iid=4193241-00445&fn=Dickson&ln=Rachel&st=r&ssrc=&pid=187173 > 76 It looks the same if you pull it up on FamilySearch. Heritage Quest > doesn't have the 1850 (or at least the version I have access to on Galileo > doesn't). Does this look like a filming issue to you? > > > > Michele > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Harold Henderson midwestroots.net Research, Writing, and Brickwall Dismantling from Northwest Indiana Regularly Researching at the Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center Certified Genealogist (SM) No. 1029 Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists® used by the Board to identify its program of genealogical competencyevaluation and used under license by the Board’s associates.

Jean wrote: >Asking as novice, can you help get me started with this citation? >I engaged the services of a gentleman in Poland to locate baptismal and marriage records. The records are housed at the the Archdiocesan Archives of Gniezno, and the Archdioces refers genealogists to this gentleman. He replied via two emails, each with a group of attached digital photographs of the various church register entries. However, there was no professional report giving all the detailed information one would expect from a certified professional. (He does not advertize himself as a certified professional.) I'm in the process of exchanging emails to get better details for each record. >How should I approach citing this information? As an email? Jean, I'm just now catching up on a ton of email that backlogged while I was on the road. I don't see where anyone has answered this question of yours from 10/14. Have you seen the three examples under EE 7.19 "Church Records: Photocopies of Individual Records" (pp. 334-335)? The text is much too lengthy to replicate here, but that section deals with the kind of situation you describe. Elizabeth ----------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG www.HistoricPathways.com www.EvidenceExplained.com www.Facebook.com/EvidenceExplained

The other possibility with the birth certificate is that it is just plain wrong. Clerks do make errors. My father-in-law was born in PA in 1907 and his name was George Henry Reed on every document he generated in his lifetime, was called George, and signed his name George H. Reed. You can imagine my surprise when I obtained his bc, and he was just plain ole Henry. Clearly a clerical mistake, which the Pennsylvania Division of Vital records would not correct/amend because he was dead. Mimi Reed State College, Pa

Well that's a really neat idea! Why not! Michele -----Original Message----- From: Rosalie Schack [mailto:historyhunter@q.com] Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 3:15 PM To: Michele Lewis Cc: 'TGF Mailing List' Subject: Re: [TGF] The things you find :) I know of two cases where the parents only gave a first name so that the child could choose a middle name of their liking when they reached a certain age. One of them made it a legal part of her name. The other did not, but signed her name including the middle name as if it were her legal name. Rosalie Rosalie Eben Schack, CG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michele Lewis" <ancestoring@gmail.com> To: "'Erica Voolich'" <voolich@gmail.com>; "'Honey Ryan'" <hryansavh@aol.com> Cc: "'TGF Mailing List'" <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [TGF] The things you find :) > She was Baptist. It is a fun little mystery and lucky for me it really > doesn’t affect my research J I did name my daughter after her. I am > glad that I only used the Miriam part, ha ha ha > > > > Michele > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message

She was Baptist. It is a fun little mystery and lucky for me it really doesn’t affect my research J I did name my daughter after her. I am glad that I only used the Miriam part, ha ha ha Michele

I know of two cases where the parents only gave a first name so that the child could choose a middle name of their liking when they reached a certain age. One of them made it a legal part of her name. The other did not, but signed her name including the middle name as if it were her legal name. Rosalie Rosalie Eben Schack, CG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michele Lewis" <ancestoring@gmail.com> To: "'Erica Voolich'" <voolich@gmail.com>; "'Honey Ryan'" <hryansavh@aol.com> Cc: "'TGF Mailing List'" <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [TGF] The things you find :) > She was Baptist. It is a fun little mystery and lucky for me it really > doesn’t affect my research J I did name my daughter after her. I am > glad that I only used the Miriam part, ha ha ha > > > > Michele > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message

Michele I think middle names might be given after birth and not appear on certificates in some cases. I grew up in a town where all the school forms said: first name, Christian name, last name. I was repeatedly criticized for leaving it blank. But I wasn't baptized, so never had a "Christian name". My grandmother said, just choose a name. SO one year I did and no one bothered me. I'm sure there is a record somewhere with a random middle name on my school form. Also, when my sister (also without a middle name) became a Jew, she had to take a Hebrew name. I know members of the family I've researched frequently reversed the order of the first and middle names on records but didn't see any need to formally change anything. When we adopted our teenage daughter, she had the option of changing her name or not. She debated whether to change her first name for a while, then decided to just change her last name to ours. Erica Voolich On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Honey Ryan <hryansavh@aol.com> wrote: > Michele, if she were Catholic, this might have been the Saint's name she > took when she was confirmed. > > Honey > > > Michele, > > Is it possible that she was baptized and given the middle name Lillian > then? > > I have an uncle who has one middle name on his birth certificate and a > different one on his baptismal certificate. My grandfather wanted a > different middle name from what my grandmother wanted. My grandfather was > the person who gave the name for the birth certificate and my grandmother > gave the name for the baptism. My uncle used both middle names or more > often both initials. > > I have also seen cases where later there were corrections recorded to > birth certificates. Often this was to add a name to a birth certificate > that originally did not include the child’s name and only listed the child > as male or female. A middle name might also have been added to the name at > that time. > > Chuck Mason > > Subject: [TGF] The things you find :) > > My mother-in-law always said her name was Miriam Lillian Wood. All of the > documents have her name like this including her SS card, her children’s > birth certificates and her death certificate. I have her birth certificate > from 1928. Her legal name was Miriam Wood. She didn’t have a middle name > ☺ It makes me wonder, did her parents give her the middle name after > she was born or did Miriam pick one for herself when she was older. We > will never know. The only reason I have this birth certificate is that it > was found among her effects when she died in 1987. No way I could get a > birth certificate here in Georgia. > > michele > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Erica Dakin Voolich •Genealogist, check out my genealogy blogs http://genea-adventures.blogspot.com http://ursulawright.blogspot.com •President The Somerville Mathematics Fund, an Affiliate of Dollars for Scholars Chapter, Winner of the 2011, New England Chapter of the Year Award Chapter, Winner of the 2003-2004 *Golden Tassel* Service Award We celebrate and encourage mathematics achievement in Somerville MA! http://www.somervillemathematicsfund.org Become a fan on our Facebook page: Facebook | Somerville Mathematics Fund Check out my blog: http://somervillemathematics.blogspot.com/