Diane asked about a citation for military records that came to her from a relative. I had a similar situation, and was advised to treat the documents as personal artifacts/private holdings. Your source for the documents is a family member (not NARA), so the citation should reflect that. Was I properly informed? Any other opinions? Janeth Murphy Moyock, NC On Nov 1, 2012, at 6:28 PM, Diane Barbour <mdbfrisco@comcast.net> wrote: > Hi Everyone, > I am having a problem sourcing an item. I am hoping someone can help me. > I got an original enlistment record. as well as, a very formal > appointment to sergeant from the army during world war I. It is not from > a service record or NARA. It came from one of my cousins, who is > allowing me to copy them. They belonged to his father, one of my > ancestors. I looked on Evidence Explained website, as well as , the book > and I could only find sources for service records from NARA. The book is > so big, I might be looking in the wrong place. > Anyone have any ideas? > Thanks for your help in advance.

Hi Everyone, I am having a problem sourcing an item. I am hoping someone can help me. I got an original enlistment record. as well as, a very formal appointment to sergeant from the army during world war I. It is not from a service record or NARA. It came from one of my cousins, who is allowing me to copy them. They belonged to his father, one of my ancestors. I looked on Evidence Explained website, as well as , the book and I could only find sources for service records from NARA. The book is so big, I might be looking in the wrong place. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks for your help in advance. Diane On 11/1/2012 1:01 AM, transitional-genealogists-forum-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Heritage Quest (Katherine Rudolph) > 2. Problems signing into FamilySearch (Rondina Muncy) > 3. Re: Problems signing into FamilySearch (Barbara Mathews) > 4. Re: Problems signing into FamilySearch (Rondina Muncy) > 5. Re: family health history charts/programs (Angela McGhie) > 6. Re: family health history charts/programs (Janice Sellers) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 07:58:36 -0700 (PDT) > From: Katherine Rudolph <khrhome@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [TGF] Heritage Quest > To: Janice Sellers <janicemsj@gmail.com>, > "transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com" > <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <1351695516.81129.YahooMailNeo@web122405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Sometimes the indexers get mixed up with which page number to assign--whether the penned number or the stamped. In this case, familysearch and ancestry assigned the penned page number and heritagequest assigned the stamped page number. Fortunately, having access to ancestry, you can see that there are two possible page numbers for this sheet. (The page you are looking for is, in fact, located at image 2 of page 86.)?UNfortunately, in most cases where one would need to use heritagequest you don't have an image that you can examine to see if there were errors in the indexing. In that event your only recourse would be to browse through the ENTIRE roll to find the right enumeration district and page number--and the problem is exacerbated because you would need to view each of the different images available for each page number.? > To add insult to injury, this is one instance where the image on heritagequest is actually WORSE than the image on ancestry. > So, not a perfect system by any means. > Kay > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Janice Sellers <janicemsj@gmail.com> > To: Katherine Rudolph <khrhome@yahoo.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 9:11 PM > Subject: Re: [TGF] Heritage Quest > > Kay, > > I found a very poor image on Ancestry today and tried using your > method to get the page on HeritageQuest, but I ran into a problem. > According to FamilySearch, the page in the 1930 census I am looking > for is: > enumeration district number: ??? 0161 > family number: ??? 322 > sheet number and letter: ??? 14A > line number: ??? 37 > nara publication: ??? T626, roll 200 > > But when I input T626, roll 200, and page 14 into HeritageQuest, I get > page 14 for EDs 123, 138, and 143.? Help!? What am I doing wrong? > > This is the family I'm looking for: > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XC6B-S99# > > Thanks very much for any advice. > > Janice Sellers > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 15:43:42 -0500 > From: Rondina Muncy <rondina.muncy@gmail.com> > Subject: [TGF] Problems signing into FamilySearch > To: Transitional Genealogists > <TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <CALf_h7UmkhfLE7P4Wx2NKO37RoECvCq1pQtoMfbCS6njB+ZA+g@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > When I sign into FamilySearch, I get a screen that says, 'Invalid Oauth2 > Request.' Has anyone had the same problem or know what to do about it? > > Thank you. > > Rondina > _______________________ > Rondina P. Muncy > Ancestral Analysis > 4008 Linden Avenue > Fort Worth, Texas 76107 > 682.224.6584 > rondina.muncy@gmail.com > www.ancestralanalysis.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 17:19:34 -0400 > From: "Barbara Mathews" <bmathews@gis.net> > Subject: Re: [TGF] Problems signing into FamilySearch > To: "'Transitional Genealogists'" > <TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <00E67370AA5344529671D9D94945440D@Barbara> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I had exactly the same problem. I instigated the "chat" facility that Family > Search has. Elder Peck answered and we agreed that I would delete my > familysearch cookie and try again. > > That worked perfectly. > > Barbara > > Barbara J. Mathews, CG* > P.O. Box 399 > Lexington, MA 02420-0004 > 781-424-1467 > www.gis.net/~bmathews > Come visit my blog at: > http://demandinggenealogist.blogspot.com > *CG (sm) and Certified Genealogist (sm) are service marks of the Board for > Certification of GenealogistsR and are used under license by Board-certified > associates who meet program standards and periodic competency evaluations. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Rondina Muncy > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 4:44 PM > To: Transitional Genealogists > Subject: [TGF] Problems signing into FamilySearch > > > When I sign into FamilySearch, I get a screen that says, 'Invalid Oauth2 > Request.' Has anyone had the same problem or know what to do about it? > > Thank you. > > Rondina > _______________________ > Rondina P. Muncy > Ancestral Analysis > 4008 Linden Avenue > Fort Worth, Texas 76107 > 682.224.6584 > rondina.muncy@gmail.com > www.ancestralanalysis.com > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 20:06:26 -0500 > From: Rondina Muncy <rondina.muncy@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [TGF] Problems signing into FamilySearch > To: Transitional Genealogists > <TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <CALf_h7Xfa79YR9EnJY9z2Cg-ieNSV1PrGaVH9E3_Af_w2RRb=Q@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Thank you to all who replied with help. My FamilySearch problem is fixed. > > Rondina > > > > On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Barbara Mathews <bmathews@gis.net> wrote: > >> I had exactly the same problem. I instigated the "chat" facility that >> Family >> Search has. Elder Peck answered and we agreed that I would delete my >> familysearch cookie and try again. >> >> That worked perfectly. >> >> Barbara >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of >> Rondina Muncy >> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 4:44 PM >> To: Transitional Genealogists >> Subject: [TGF] Problems signing into FamilySearch >> >> >> When I sign into FamilySearch, I get a screen that says, 'Invalid Oauth2 >> Request.' Has anyone had the same problem or know what to do about it? >> >> Thank you. >> >> Rondina >> >> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 22:41:46 -0400 > From: Angela McGhie <mcghiefamilyhistory@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [TGF] family health history charts/programs > To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CAE9A13Ow--yzevH+Jk1-bP-u29rYCROukYZS57pmxp5hs5pVRA@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Robin asked: > Anyone have suggestions for family health history charts/programs? Just saw > this site: http://www.itrunsinmyfamily.com/ > > Robin, > > I have not used the program you mentioned for family health histories, but > I have used the one created by the surgeon general. See > https://familyhistory.hhs.gov/fhh-web/home.action > > I have not taken the time to compare the two programs, but I do think that > family health histories are very important. I had a client whose father > died when he was young and so he never knew much about his family history. > When I researched his paternal line I found that none of the men in his > direct line for four generations lived past 55 years old and thought he > needed as much health history as I could provide for him. > > Angela McGhie > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 19:49:29 -0700 > From: Janice Sellers <janicemsj@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [TGF] family health history charts/programs > To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CAPG64wj8=O1Xh-3A6ioK7oL+pXwbdzJ+d_aUQLm2xA5+GM3Z3Q@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I had a similar discovery when I started researching my half-sister's > mother's family. Four generations of men, all dead before 60, all > heart attacks. I encouraged my sister to pass on the information to > her son. > > Janice Sellers > > On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 7:41 PM, Angela McGhie > <mcghiefamilyhistory@gmail.com> wrote: >> I have not taken the time to compare the two programs, but I do think that >> family health histories are very important. I had a client whose father >> died when he was young and so he never knew much about his family history. >> When I researched his paternal line I found that none of the men in his >> direct line for four generations lived past 55 years old and thought he >> needed as much health history as I could provide for him. > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 6, Issue 588 > *************************************************************** >

Using these charts - are they private or can companies and the government access them anytime they want?  Just curious. Cheryl Proctor Southern Indiana   ________________________________ From: Angela McGhie <mcghiefamilyhistory@gmail.com> To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [TGF] family health history charts/programs Robin asked: Anyone have suggestions for family health history charts/programs? Just saw this site: http://www.itrunsinmyfamily.com/ Robin, I have not used the program you mentioned for family health histories, but I have used the one created by the surgeon general. See https://familyhistory.hhs.gov/fhh-web/home.action I have not taken the time to compare the two programs, but I do think that family health histories are very important. I had a client whose father died when he was young and so he never knew much about his family history. When I researched his paternal line I found that none of the men in his direct line for four generations lived past 55 years old and thought he needed as much health history as I could provide for him. Angela McGhie The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Robin asked: Anyone have suggestions for family health history charts/programs? Just saw this site: http://www.itrunsinmyfamily.com/ Robin, I have not used the program you mentioned for family health histories, but I have used the one created by the surgeon general. See https://familyhistory.hhs.gov/fhh-web/home.action I have not taken the time to compare the two programs, but I do think that family health histories are very important. I had a client whose father died when he was young and so he never knew much about his family history. When I researched his paternal line I found that none of the men in his direct line for four generations lived past 55 years old and thought he needed as much health history as I could provide for him. Angela McGhie

Thank you to all who replied with help. My FamilySearch problem is fixed. Rondina On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Barbara Mathews <bmathews@gis.net> wrote: > I had exactly the same problem. I instigated the "chat" facility that > Family > Search has. Elder Peck answered and we agreed that I would delete my > familysearch cookie and try again. > > That worked perfectly. > > Barbara > > > -----Original Message----- > From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Rondina Muncy > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 4:44 PM > To: Transitional Genealogists > Subject: [TGF] Problems signing into FamilySearch > > > When I sign into FamilySearch, I get a screen that says, 'Invalid Oauth2 > Request.' Has anyone had the same problem or know what to do about it? > > Thank you. > > Rondina > >

I had a similar discovery when I started researching my half-sister's mother's family. Four generations of men, all dead before 60, all heart attacks. I encouraged my sister to pass on the information to her son. Janice Sellers On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 7:41 PM, Angela McGhie <mcghiefamilyhistory@gmail.com> wrote: > I have not taken the time to compare the two programs, but I do think that > family health histories are very important. I had a client whose father > died when he was young and so he never knew much about his family history. > When I researched his paternal line I found that none of the men in his > direct line for four generations lived past 55 years old and thought he > needed as much health history as I could provide for him.

I had exactly the same problem. I instigated the "chat" facility that Family Search has. Elder Peck answered and we agreed that I would delete my familysearch cookie and try again. That worked perfectly. Barbara Barbara J. Mathews, CG* P.O. Box 399 Lexington, MA 02420-0004 781-424-1467 www.gis.net/~bmathews Come visit my blog at: http://demandinggenealogist.blogspot.com *CG (sm) and Certified Genealogist (sm) are service marks of the Board for Certification of GenealogistsR and are used under license by Board-certified associates who meet program standards and periodic competency evaluations. -----Original Message----- From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rondina Muncy Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 4:44 PM To: Transitional Genealogists Subject: [TGF] Problems signing into FamilySearch When I sign into FamilySearch, I get a screen that says, 'Invalid Oauth2 Request.' Has anyone had the same problem or know what to do about it? Thank you. Rondina _______________________ Rondina P. Muncy Ancestral Analysis 4008 Linden Avenue Fort Worth, Texas 76107 682.224.6584 rondina.muncy@gmail.com www.ancestralanalysis.com The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

When I sign into FamilySearch, I get a screen that says, 'Invalid Oauth2 Request.' Has anyone had the same problem or know what to do about it? Thank you. Rondina _______________________ Rondina P. Muncy Ancestral Analysis 4008 Linden Avenue Fort Worth, Texas 76107 682.224.6584 rondina.muncy@gmail.com www.ancestralanalysis.com

Sometimes the indexers get mixed up with which page number to assign--whether the penned number or the stamped. In this case, familysearch and ancestry assigned the penned page number and heritagequest assigned the stamped page number. Fortunately, having access to ancestry, you can see that there are two possible page numbers for this sheet. (The page you are looking for is, in fact, located at image 2 of page 86.) UNfortunately, in most cases where one would need to use heritagequest you don't have an image that you can examine to see if there were errors in the indexing. In that event your only recourse would be to browse through the ENTIRE roll to find the right enumeration district and page number--and the problem is exacerbated because you would need to view each of the different images available for each page number.  To add insult to injury, this is one instance where the image on heritagequest is actually WORSE than the image on ancestry. So, not a perfect system by any means. Kay ________________________________ From: Janice Sellers <janicemsj@gmail.com> To: Katherine Rudolph <khrhome@yahoo.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [TGF] Heritage Quest Kay, I found a very poor image on Ancestry today and tried using your method to get the page on HeritageQuest, but I ran into a problem. According to FamilySearch, the page in the 1930 census I am looking for is: enumeration district number:     0161 family number:     322 sheet number and letter:     14A line number:     37 nara publication:     T626, roll 200 But when I input T626, roll 200, and page 14 into HeritageQuest, I get page 14 for EDs 123, 138, and 143.  Help!  What am I doing wrong? This is the family I'm looking for: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XC6B-S99# Thanks very much for any advice. Janice Sellers

Nikki, You don't say if this is an Archive des Bistums or the Staatsarchiv. The first is the Catholic Church Archives and the second is the State Archive. Several years ago I was in Augsburg and went to both Archives there. The Catholic Church archive in Augsburg takes requests for look ups and you can email them in English. The State Archive was a little different. The Catholic archive did charge a fee. All the archives in Germany charge a fee to use there facilities. At the Archive des Bistums the fee was based partly on how many micro films you used. If you go to the Archives website you may find an English translation. If not right click on the web page in your browser and click on translate. Ann In a message dated 29-Oct-12 17:25:05 US Mountain Standard Time, nikkisbc@yahoo.com writes: Hi all, I'm wondering if anyone has dealt with this archives location in Bavaria before. I'd like to try and find a Catholic baptism record for a man born in Sandberg, Bavaria abt 1875/76 and from what I've been reading, it looks like the Archives in Wurzburg should have the church books for this parish on microfilm. They have a list of available parish church books on their website and Sandberg was listed so I'm keeping my fingers crossed here. Problem is, I don't speak German and I'm not familiar with how this archive does things so if anyone out there can read German and check out the site and let me know what I would need to do to try and get a record copy, or if they even do that, I would really appreciate it. Or even if there's someone out there who might be local and could possibly go to the Archives themselves and look it up, that would be great too. These records have not been filmed by the FHL and from what I've read, the only way to access them is the Archives in Wurzburg so any assistance with trying to track down the record would be greatly appreciated. Please let me know if you think you might be able to help, or know someone who might be able to assist, and I can forward along the website address and give further information as necessary. Thanks Very Much, Nikki LaRue The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Anyone have suggestions for family health history charts/programs? Just saw this site: http://www.itrunsinmyfamily.com/ -Robin M Boston Genealogy Examiner

Hi all,  I'm wondering if anyone has dealt with this archives location in Bavaria before. I'd like to try and find a Catholic baptism record for a man born in Sandberg, Bavaria abt 1875/76 and from what I've been reading, it looks like the Archives in Wurzburg should have the church books for this parish on microfilm. They have a list of available parish church books on their website and Sandberg was listed so I'm keeping my fingers crossed here. Problem is, I don't speak German and I'm not familiar with how this archive does things so if anyone out there can read German and check out the site and let me know what I would need to do to try and get a record copy, or if they even do that, I would really appreciate it. Or even if there's someone out there who might be local and could possibly go to the Archives themselves and look it up, that would be great too.  These records have not been filmed by the FHL and from what I've read, the only way to access them is the Archives in Wurzburg so any assistance with trying to track down the record would be greatly appreciated. Please let me know if you think you might be able to help, or know someone who might be able to assist, and I can forward along the website address and give further information as necessary. Thanks Very Much, Nikki LaRue

The 1860 and 1880 Census images are not available on familysearch.org and there are no plans to add them. This is in response to a question asked at the recent Family Search Centers Directors meetings in Salt Lake City. They also do not have the mortality schedules for 1860-1880 and the slave schedules for 1860. Susan LeBlanc Oregon

There are really two responses to this message. The first answers your immediate question: If you are using (and citing) multiple households, then I would definitely include all of them in a single citation, either like this . . . households 23-25, families 26-28, John Smith, Joseph Smith, and Robert Brown households . . . or like this . . . household 23, family 26, John Smith household, and household 25, family 28, Robert Brown household . . . The second is in response to that part of your question about "follow[ing] EE to the letter": Evidence Explained is not a catch-all list of citation models. It uses many examples to demonstrate principles that we can use **and adapt** to create appropriate citations for any source we may come across. One cannot follow it to the letter, because, as Ms. Mills repeatedly states on this list, in her courses, and indeed in the beginning of Evidence Explained: "Citation is an art, not a science." Part of creating a citation is thinking critically about the source in front of us, and EE cannot accomplish this for us. I hope my response helps with this and future citations. Michael Hait, CG(sm) michael.hait@hotmail.com http://www.haitfamilyresearch.com "Planting the Seeds" Blog: http://michaelhait.wordpress.com CG and Certified Genealogist are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic competency evaluation, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office. -----Original Message----- From: Greg Lovelace Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 8:06 PM To: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM@rootsweb.com Subject: [TGF] Another question on citations Hi, all I'm coming back to you again for help with citations. The graders for the Home Study Course at the NGS are telling us time and again to add citations to any documents we download or copy as soon as we download and copy them. I can see the wisdom in that, as stacks of paper and digital document folders tend to grow, and sometimes we forget exactly where these things were found. So I have been adding full footnote citations to each image I use for the course, and I file them with those citations for my exhibits folders for The Master Genealogist. But what do you do for a citation for an image that has multiple entries for "item of interest"? An example of my quandary.... _Evidence Explained_ 6.25 1850 US Census, Population Schedules, (p277) Online Images (Ancestry) shows the First Reference Note containing the dwelling number and family number along with the name of the persons of interest (The Earp brothers Virgil and Wyatt). In my research, I have a page of the 1850 census, population schedule, for Sandy Run, Rutherford County, North Carolina. This single page has 6 households and 8 families, 4 households and 5 families of which are of interest to me in my research into the Lovelace family. How am I to do a single source citation for this image to attach to my image for later reference? Do I need a separate duplicate image for each household and follow EE to the letter, or do I use a single image and list all the households and their heads in a single citation? Any guidance would be appreciated. At present, I am working on the migration lesson of the course, and am trying to get all my source citations in proper format for the final report for this lesson. Thank you all in advance.... Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

BOARD FOR CERTIFICATION OF GENEALOGISTS P. O. Box 14291 Washington, DC 20044 For Immediate Release 26 October 2012 BCG IN THE NEWS: Trustees and Website Changes Announced Elissa Scalise Powell, CG, CGL, President of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, announced trustee changes to the Board for Certification of Genealogists (BCG), effective 14 October 2012. Yearly elections bring new or incumbent trustees to the board for three-year terms. Going off the board this year are: Ann Carter Fleming, CG, CGL, of Missouri Barbara Mathews, CG, of Massachusetts Christine Rose, CG, CGL, FASG, of California Willis H. White, CG, of Virginia According to President Powell, "We heartily thank those who are leaving their trustee positions for their service to the board. We trust that they will continue to contribute to the many facets of genealogical research, scholarship, and activities and wish them well in all future endeavors." The fifteen current members of BCG's Board of Trustees are: Elissa Scalise Powell, CG, CGL, of Pennsylvania, President, Michael S. Ramage, JD, CG, of Pennsylvania, Vice-president Dawne Slater-Putt, CG, of Indiana, Secretary Jeanne Larzalere Bloom, CG, of Illinois, Treasurer Stefani Evans, CG, of Nevada, Executive Committee Member-at-Large CindyLee Butler Banks, CG, AGR, of Nebraska Warren Bittner, CG, of Utah Laura Murphy DeGrazia, CG, of New York Victor S. Dunn, CG, of Virginia Alison Hare, CG, of Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Thomas W. Jones, PhD, CG, CGL, FASG, of Virginia David McDonald, CG, of Wisconsin Debra S. Mieszala, CG, of Illinois Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG, of Tennessee Judy G. Russell, JD, CG, of New Jersey WEBSITE NEWS Many people wonder if board certification is for them. To address this question, BCG is placing website help in the form of a new certification seminar and several audio testimonials of which three are currently available at http://bcgcertification.org/certification/why.html. We hope you will enjoy hearing from the immediate past president, David McDonald, CG; a librarian, Beth Stahr, CG; and a professional genealogist, Michael Hait, CG, who offer their reasons for seeking certification. Testimonials rotate periodically, so please check back to hear more. The Certification Seminar is a one-hour presentation that explains in detail what is expected of applicants when they assemble a portfolio and what applicants can expect of the certification process. Presented by Elissa Scalise Powell, CG, CGL, Thomas W. Jones, Ph.D., CG, CGL, FASG, and David McDonald, CG, it was taped in August 2012 by FamilySearch and is also a part of its Learning Center video library. BCG would like to thank FamilySearch for making this video possible. Societies and individuals are invited to view the seminar at http://bcgcertification.org/seminar/index.html. Founded in 1964, the mission of the Board for Certification of Genealogists is to foster public confidence in genealogy as a respected branch of history by promoting an attainable, uniform standard of competence and ethics among genealogical practitioners, and by publicly recognizing persons who meet that standard. The publication The BCG Genealogical Standards Manual sets forth the currently accepted standards for all areas of genealogical research. Certified Genealogist, Certified Genealogical Lecturer, CG and CGL are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists (BCG) used by the Board to identify its program of genealogical competency and evaluation and used under license by the Board's associates. The Board's name is registered with the U.S. Patent & Trademark Office. # # # # # # Contact Information: Nicki Birch, CG, Executive Director for BCG office@BCGcertification.org www.BCGcertification.org Elissa Scalise Powell, CG, CGL www.PowellGenealogy.com www.GRIPitt.org CG, Certified Genealogist, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are Service Marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic evaluations by the Board and the board name is a trademark registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office.

Hi, all I'm coming back to you again for help with citations. The graders for the Home Study Course at the NGS are telling us time and again to add citations to any documents we download or copy as soon as we download and copy them. I can see the wisdom in that, as stacks of paper and digital document folders tend to grow, and sometimes we forget exactly where these things were found. So I have been adding full footnote citations to each image I use for the course, and I file them with those citations for my exhibits folders for The Master Genealogist. But what do you do for a citation for an image that has multiple entries for "item of interest"? An example of my quandary.... _Evidence Explained_ 6.25 1850 US Census, Population Schedules, (p277) Online Images (Ancestry) shows the First Reference Note containing the dwelling number and family number along with the name of the persons of interest (The Earp brothers Virgil and Wyatt). In my research, I have a page of the 1850 census, population schedule, for Sandy Run, Rutherford County, North Carolina. This single page has 6 households and 8 families, 4 households and 5 families of which are of interest to me in my research into the Lovelace family. How am I to do a single source citation for this image to attach to my image for later reference? Do I need a separate duplicate image for each household and follow EE to the letter, or do I use a single image and list all the households and their heads in a single citation? Any guidance would be appreciated. At present, I am working on the migration lesson of the course, and am trying to get all my source citations in proper format for the final report for this lesson. Thank you all in advance.... Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg

I recently covered this topic in a genealogy class I teach locally, so I'm attaching the instructions I gave out in class. Kay Rudolph FamilySearch has all population schedule indexes available online, but you can only access images on the FamilySearch site for 1940, 1900, 1870, and 1850 (including the 1850 Mortality Schedule and the 1850 Slave Schedule). For other census years FamilySearch provides a link to the image on ancestry.com or fold3, but you will not be able to view these images without a subscription to the partner site. Images to all population schedules are available for free through HeritageQuest, which you can access through your local library’s web page, provided you have a library card number. To locate an image on HeritageQuest, first find the index entry for the individual on FamilySearch. Copy the following information from the FamilySearch index entry into the HeritageQuest “Search Census” screen to locate the exact image you need.   1.      Select “Find by Page Number” on the HeritageQuest “Search Census” screen 2.      Select the census “Series” on HeritageQuest (for example, 1880-T9) 3.      Enter the “Roll” number. If the FamilySearch index entry does not include the term “nara roll number,” then look for the term “nara film number”—the number that follows the hyphen is the roll number (the leading alphanumeric code is the NARA series designation, such as T9 for the 1880 census) 4.      For “Page” enter the “page” or “sheet number” from the FamilySearch index entry 5.      Click “Search” and an image opens in HeritageQuest. This may or may not be the image you need: in some censuses, a single page number has multiple pages (1A, 1B, etc.). Check the “page character” designation (A, B, C, D) on the FamilySearch index entry. 6.      The “family” or “household” number listed in the Source Citation at the bottom of the FamilySearch index entry may sometimes help you locate your target household on the page, but frequently the FamilySearch citation is incorrect so you may need to scan the entire page to locate the individuals you are searching for.

Tom, A particular page of the 1850 census was very unclear both at Ancestry and at FamilySearch. I was trying to find another source that might have a clearer image. Kimberly pointed me to Internet Archive which had a VERY clear image of that census page. Michele

Just go to FamilySearch.org and get all of the US census - 1790 through 1940 - free See: https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1&recordType=Census&countryId=1

I see it now, Rebecca. There is a tab "find by page number" where you can access the other censuses if you know what you are looking for. In my case this would have worked because I do know the page number. I will say though, the Internet Archives census records that Kimberly suggested worked out great. The images were very clear. I couldn't believe the difference between that and Ancestry/FamilySearch. Michele From: Rebecca Christensen [mailto:rchristen@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 10:11 AM To: Michele Lewis; transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TGF] Heritage Quest