Thanks everyone on the update about the genealogy software. I was unaware about the new features in FTM 2012 and I will definitely look forward into the reviews for them and the other programs as well. Amy

Dear All, I'm working on a naturalization file which contains some cyrillic script near and on the signature lines on the Declaration and the Petition both. Anyone with knowledge of Russian willing to look at the record and help me out, please reply to me off list and I'll send you the image. Thanks in advance, Sara Scribner

Hi Cheryl! It looks like William (WM) R. Krafts to me. At first glance, the surname looked like Knights. It will be interesting to see what other list members have to say. Elizabeth Banas > Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 13:54:01 -0800 > From: cmproctor1@frontier.com > To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com > Subject: [TGF] Help with signature > > I am trying to discern the signature of the boarding agent on the last (3rd) page of the passenger list of the ship International, which arrived at the port of New Orleans on 1 May 1855. > > I cannot tell exactly whether his name is "Wm. R. Knight" or something else. > > I have the same question for the master's name. Is the first initial M? - as in M. Searey? Or does that letter stand for M. as in Mister? Am I correct on his surname of Searey? It appears that is his signature further into the document. > > The passenger list of interest to me is: > New Orleans, Passenger Lists, 1813-1945. The name is Jean Deschamp and he and his family arrived at New Orleans on 1 May 1855. > > http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=7484&iid=LAM259_41-0890&fn=Jean&ln=Deschamp&st=r&ssrc=&pid=534819 > > If that link is too long or doesn't work, try: http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=7484 > > Where do I look for more information on the master/captain? > > I appreciate any help you can give. Thanks! > > Cheryl Proctor > Southern Indiana > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Cheryl -- Since the master's name appears twice in two different hands, I'm fairly sure his surname was Seavey. Other masters on other boats in this list often give first names, so M. is most likely his initial. The boarding officer signs his name again at image 18 (another passenger list), making me suspect that his last name might be Knecht. I would recommend paging on through the lists and getting more examples of it for closer comparison. Also, if he is a person of interest for any reason, it might be time to study up on exactly who employed "boarding officers" and under what laws. If they were federal employees, then he may be findable in the Official Register of the United States. Good luck! Harold On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 3:54 PM, cmproctor1@frontier.com < cmproctor1@frontier.com> wrote: > I am trying to discern the signature of the boarding agent on the last > (3rd) page of the passenger list of the ship International, which arrived > at the port of New Orleans on 1 May 1855. > > I cannot tell exactly whether his name is "Wm. R. Knight" or something > else. > > I have the same question for the master's name. Is the first initial M? - > as in M. Searey? Or does that letter stand for M. as in Mister? Am I > correct on his surname of Searey? It appears that is his signature further > into the document. > > The passenger list of interest to me is: > New Orleans, Passenger Lists, 1813-1945. The name is Jean Deschamp and he > and his family arrived at New Orleans on 1 May 1855. > > > http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=7484&iid=LAM259_41-0890&fn=Jean&ln=Deschamp&st=r&ssrc=&pid=534819 > > If that link is too long or doesn't work, try: > http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=7484 > > Where do I look for more information on the master/captain? > > I appreciate any help you can give. Thanks! > > Cheryl Proctor > Southern Indiana > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Harold Henderson midwestroots.net Research, Writing, and Brickwall Dismantling from Northwest Indiana Regularly Researching at the Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center Certified Genealogist (SM) No. 1029 Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists® used by the Board to identify its program of genealogical competencyevaluation and used under license by the Board’s associates.

Hi Cheryl, Since a boarding officer is an occupation. I thought about looking at New Orleans directories. Here is a link to what I found and I copied a few lines from this link below . Keep in mind this information is a transcription and subject to errors. When you open the link you will find at the top where the information was found. Perhaps you can locate the original directory. Jannean James http://files.usgwarchives.org/la/orleans/history/directory/1850busi.txt Knight W. R. Boarding Officer, N. E. Pass Mongrue U. L. Boarding Officer, Pointe a la Hache Foster Winslow Boarding Officer, Fort Livingston Martin P. Boarding Officer, Algiers Taylor John Boarding Officer, Basins On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Elizabeth Banas <fh_research@hotmail.com>wrote: > > Hi Cheryl! It looks like William (WM) R. Krafts to me. At first glance, > the surname looked like Knights. It will be interesting to see what other > list members have to say. Elizabeth Banas > > Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 13:54:01 -0800 > > From: cmproctor1@frontier.com > > To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [TGF] Help with signature > > > > I am trying to discern the signature of the boarding agent on the last > (3rd) page of the passenger list of the ship International, which arrived > at the port of New Orleans on 1 May 1855. > > > > I cannot tell exactly whether his name is "Wm. R. Knight" or something > else. > > > > I have the same question for the master's name. Is the first initial M? > - as in M. Searey? Or does that letter stand for M. as in Mister? Am I > correct on his surname of Searey? It appears that is his signature further > into the document. > > > > The passenger list of interest to me is: > > New Orleans, Passenger Lists, 1813-1945. The name is Jean Deschamp and > he and his family arrived at New Orleans on 1 May 1855. > > > > > http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=7484&iid=LAM259_41-0890&fn=Jean&ln=Deschamp&st=r&ssrc=&pid=534819 > > > > If that link is too long or doesn't work, try: > http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=7484 > > > > Where do I look for more information on the master/captain? > > > > I appreciate any help you can give. Thanks! > > > > Cheryl Proctor > > Southern Indiana > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Beth, I just read through your series (can't wait to see additional posts!). I think you are doing a great job with this. I think your opinions are objective especially considering you use LFT (as I do) but you point out its shortcomings as well we as the good things with the competing programs (FTM, RM). Hugs... Michele -----Original Message----- From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Beth Benko Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 9:50 AM To: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM@rootsweb.com Subject: [TGF] Genealogy Software FYI: I am in the midst of a series of blog posts comparing Family Tree Maker, Roots Magic and Legacy Family Tree. The most recent posts cover the feature of copying census related data among family members. RM: http://www.bnk.com/groupwgenealogy/2012/10/30/genealogy-software-comparison- part-4a-more-on-census-records-rm / FTM: http://www.bnk.com/groupwgenealogy/2012/11/01/genealogy-software-comparison- part-4b-more-on-census-records-ftm/ LFT: coming soon Beth Benko Group W Genealogy > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 14:22:25 -0400 > From: "Eileen Souza" <eileen.souza@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [TGF] Genealogy Software > To: <dunna@roadrunner.com>, "'Transitional Genealogists'" > <TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <01a901cdb9f0$2cfadca0$86f095e0$@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Amy, I recently did a blog post as to why I use FTM. You might find > it useful. You can access it at > > http://www.oldbonesgenealogy.com/why-i-use-ftm-as-my-primary-genealogy > -progr > am/. > > Eileen > _______________________________ > Eileen A Souza > Eldersburg, MD > Old Bones Genealogy LLC > info@oldbonesgenealogy.com > www.oldbonesgenealogy.com > > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am trying to discern the signature of the boarding agent on the last (3rd) page of the passenger list of the ship International, which arrived at the port of New Orleans on 1 May 1855.   I cannot tell exactly whether his name is "Wm. R. Knight" or something else.   I have the same question for the master's name.  Is the first initial M? - as in M. Searey?  Or does that letter stand for M. as in Mister?  Am I correct on his surname of Searey?  It appears that is his signature further into the document.   The passenger list of interest to me is: New Orleans, Passenger Lists, 1813-1945.  The name is Jean Deschamp and he and his family arrived at New Orleans on 1 May 1855.   http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=7484&iid=LAM259_41-0890&fn=Jean&ln=Deschamp&st=r&ssrc=&pid=534819   If that link is too long or doesn't work, try: http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=7484   Where do I look for more information on the master/captain?   I appreciate any help you can give.  Thanks!   Cheryl Proctor Southern Indiana

I too use Brothers Keeper - mostly the DOS version, but occasionally the Windows version. I think it's mostly because I'd prefer not to learn more new things than I really need. Israel Pickholtz Jerusalem On 4 Nov 2012 at 1:01, transitional-genealogists-forum- request@roTRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 6, Is wrote: > I have been using Brothers Keeper for about 20 years. I am so used > to > the way it works that I have a major problem sitting down at any other > program. Also the fact that the author John Steed is a very active > member of the mailing list is really nice. I recommend anyone that is > thinking of a genealogy program (either their first or update), that > they at least download and try Brother's Keeper! > > Dave Sloan

FYI: I am in the midst of a series of blog posts comparing Family Tree Maker, Roots Magic and Legacy Family Tree. The most recent posts cover the feature of copying census related data among family members. RM: http://www.bnk.com/groupwgenealogy/2012/10/30/genealogy-software-comparison-part-4a-more-on-census-records-rm / FTM: http://www.bnk.com/groupwgenealogy/2012/11/01/genealogy-software-comparison-part-4b-more-on-census-records-ftm/ LFT: coming soon Beth Benko Group W Genealogy > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 14:22:25 -0400 > From: "Eileen Souza" <eileen.souza@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [TGF] Genealogy Software > To: <dunna@roadrunner.com>, "'Transitional Genealogists'" > <TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <01a901cdb9f0$2cfadca0$86f095e0$@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Amy, I recently did a blog post as to why I use FTM. You might find it > useful. You can access it at > > http://www.oldbonesgenealogy.com/why-i-use-ftm-as-my-primary-genealogy-progr > am/. > > Eileen > _______________________________ > Eileen A Souza > Eldersburg, MD > Old Bones Genealogy LLC > info@oldbonesgenealogy.com > www.oldbonesgenealogy.com > > > >

Connie, I have been using Brothers Keeper for about 20 years. I am so used to the way it works that I have a major problem sitting down at any other program. Also the fact that the author John Steed is a very active member of the mailing list is really nice. I recommend anyone that is thinking of a genealogy program (either their first or update), that they at least download and try Brother's Keeper! Dave Sloan In a message dated 11/3/2012 8:35:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, clsheets1@yahoo.com writes: I think it is rare to find any genealogy program sold in a brick and mortar store these days. When I've seen them it's always FTM, which is usually more expensive than other more powerful programs. When people ask me what program I'd recommend, I suggest they try out several (most have free trial versions) and decide which one they like best. My experience is that choosing a program is a highly individualized decision: what you like, I might hate and vice versa. For example, Ann's reasons for disliking Legacy ("I don't like the way you input data nor do I like the way the data is presented") are among my top reasons for preferring it. I detest FTM for a variety of reasons. Currently, my primary program is RootsMagic, but I would go back to Legacy in a heartbeat if they ever add the equivalent of RM's Research Notes report. There are many programs from which to choose, although FTM, RootsMagic, Legacy, and TMG are probably among the most frequently used on Windows systems. I think Brother's Keeper should get more press than it does. While I've seen online articles that attempt to compare and contrast a long list of competing programs, I haven't found any that I consider complete or accurate. Randy Seaver's Genea-Musings blog has a series of periodic posts describing how to complete various tasks in FamilyTreeMaker, Rootsmagic, and Legacy, complete with screen shots. They may be too detailed for the casual beginner, but for more serious students of genealogy who have narrowed their search to those three programs, I would recommend checking out his articles. Connie Sheets Phoenix The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Connie, You suggest what I suggest when asked which program is the best. I would add that I tell people to ask others which program they use and why the like it. I also suggest that they ask what they do not like about the program. Although we may like a program, I think many of us do have something that we would change if we could. Chuck Mason -----Original Message----- From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Connie Sheets Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 8:28 PM To: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TGF] Genealogy Software I think it is rare to find any genealogy program sold in a brick and mortar store these days.  When I've seen them it's always FTM, which is usually more expensive than other more powerful programs. When people ask me what program I'd recommend, I suggest they try out several (most have free trial versions) and decide which one they like best. My experience is that choosing a program is a highly individualized decision: what you like, I might hate and vice versa.  For example, Ann's reasons for disliking Legacy ("I don't like the way you input data nor do I like the way the data is presented") are among my top reasons for preferring it. I detest FTM for a variety of reasons. Currently, my primary program is RootsMagic, but I would go back to Legacy in a heartbeat if they ever add the equivalent of RM's Research Notes report. There are many programs from which to choose, although FTM, RootsMagic, Legacy, and TMG are probably among the most frequently used on Windows systems. I think Brother's Keeper should get more press than it does. While I've seen online articles that attempt to compare and contrast a long list of competing programs, I haven't found any that I consider complete or accurate. Randy Seaver's Genea-Musings blog has a series of periodic posts describing how to complete various tasks in FamilyTreeMaker, Rootsmagic, and Legacy, complete with screen shots. They may be too detailed for the casual beginner, but for more serious students of genealogy who have narrowed their search to those three programs, I would recommend checking out his articles. Connie Sheets Phoenix The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Connie, You are spot on! One of my research buddies loves Legacy and hates FTM. We finally figured out that it has to do with how a person processes information. Some people what to "see" everything at once and others only want small bits at a time. With FTM I can see more information at once than I can with Legacy. For my friend all the extra information distracts her. Ann In a message dated 03-Nov-12 17:35:49 US Mountain Standard Time, clsheets1@yahoo.com writes: I think it is rare to find any genealogy program sold in a brick and mortar store these days. When I've seen them it's always FTM, which is usually more expensive than other more powerful programs. When people ask me what program I'd recommend, I suggest they try out several (most have free trial versions) and decide which one they like best. My experience is that choosing a program is a highly individualized decision: what you like, I might hate and vice versa. For example, Ann's reasons for disliking Legacy ("I don't like the way you input data nor do I like the way the data is presented") are among my top reasons for preferring it. I detest FTM for a variety of reasons. Currently, my primary program is RootsMagic, but I would go back to Legacy in a heartbeat if they ever add the equivalent of RM's Research Notes report. There are many programs from which to choose, although FTM, RootsMagic, Legacy, and TMG are probably among the most frequently used on Windows systems. I think Brother's Keeper should get more press than it does. While I've seen online articles that attempt to compare and contrast a long list of competing programs, I haven't found any that I consider complete or accurate. Randy Seaver's Genea-Musings blog has a series of periodic posts describing how to complete various tasks in FamilyTreeMaker, Rootsmagic, and Legacy, complete with screen shots. They may be too detailed for the casual beginner, but for more serious students of genealogy who have narrowed their search to those three programs, I would recommend checking out his articles. Connie Sheets Phoenix

When I switched from FTM to Legacy in 2006, one thing I really liked was/is Legacy's potential problems list. It found A LOT of errors in my file that FTM didn't see. Most of them were simple data entry errors but they were errors none the less. It also knows when you enter a county that wasn't in existence when you are saying it was. For example, if I put that someone died in 1894 in Lamar County, MS it will give me an error message because Lamar wasn't formed until 1904. The newer versions of FTM may have the capabilities now, I don't know. Michele

Ann, you said, " For example when I add a census fact for a family everyone in the household has that fact entered on there page. Now all I have to do is enter it once, right click on the fact select copy then right click on the same fact and click paste a dialogue book opens up with the persons parents, spouses and children unclick the person I am on and then click everyone in the household and hit enter. Not only does the fact populate on all those I have check it also includes the citation I have associated with that fact." I like that! Legacy can copy events (with sources attached) too but you have to paste them to each person one at a time. Legacy 8 is due out at any time. I wonder if they have incorporated this feature. It would be nice if they did! Michele

Amy, I have seen FTM at Costco. Although when I went to get FTM 2012 I couldn't find it there and ended up downloading it from Ancestry.com. Like Eileen I have used FTM since version 3 I did not upgrade from version 16 until 2010. Over the years I have used The Master Genealogist and Legacy. My biggest complaint with Legacy is I don't like the way you input data nor do I like the way the data is presented. However Legacy has some nice reports in it. FTM 2012 has improved several of there reports over the 2010 and 2011 versions. TMG takes too long to learn and I spend to much time figuring out how to set things up the way I want it. When I first used TMG it made a mess out of my data but that was because of how I input data into FTM 16. Those problems have been fixed with the newer versions of FTM. The biggest thing I like about FTM is the source page. I can see all my sources at once and I can edit them right there. I don't use source templates. I write all my sources using EE. I have found that the templates don't do what I want them to do and it is easier and quicker to write them out then add the italics ect. from the source page. One of the updates for FTM 2012 that I am loving is you can copy and paste a fact to numerous people. For example when I add a census fact for a family every one in the household has that fact entered on there page. Now all I have to do is enter it once, right click on the fact select copy then right click on the same fact and click paste a dialogue book opens up with the persons parents, spouses and children unclick the person I am on and then click everyone in the household and hit enter. Not only does the fact populate on all those I have check it also includes the citation I have associated with that fact. Ann Gilchrest In a message dated 03-Nov-12 11:27:24 US Mountain Standard Time, eileen.souza@gmail.com writes: Amy, I recently did a blog post as to why I use FTM. You might find it useful. You can access it at http://www.oldbonesgenealogy.com/why-i-use-ftm-as-my-primary-genealogy-progr am/. Eileen _______________________________ Eileen A Souza Eldersburg, MD Old Bones Genealogy LLC info@oldbonesgenealogy.com www.oldbonesgenealogy.com > -----Original Message----- > From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > dunna@roadrunner.com > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 12:12 PM > To: 'Transitional Genealogists' > Subject: [TGF] Genealogy Software > > The last genealogy software I had purchased was Family Tree Maker (FTM) 2010. > I have not used the current version. It is possible in the not so distant future that > I may have to recommend a genealogy software that you can purchase preferable > in store. > > I know sometimes I am asked genealogy questions including software and I did > not know about the latest version of FTM. > > Amy Dunn

I think it is rare to find any genealogy program sold in a brick and mortar store these days.  When I've seen them it's always FTM, which is usually more expensive than other more powerful programs. When people ask me what program I'd recommend, I suggest they try out several (most have free trial versions) and decide which one they like best. My experience is that choosing a program is a highly individualized decision: what you like, I might hate and vice versa.  For example, Ann's reasons for disliking Legacy ("I don't like the way you input data nor do I like the way the data is presented") are among my top reasons for preferring it. I detest FTM for a variety of reasons. Currently, my primary program is RootsMagic, but I would go back to Legacy in a heartbeat if they ever add the equivalent of RM's Research Notes report. There are many programs from which to choose, although FTM, RootsMagic, Legacy, and TMG are probably among the most frequently used on Windows systems. I think Brother's Keeper should get more press than it does. While I've seen online articles that attempt to compare and contrast a long list of competing programs, I haven't found any that I consider complete or accurate. Randy Seaver's Genea-Musings blog has a series of periodic posts describing how to complete various tasks in FamilyTreeMaker, Rootsmagic, and Legacy, complete with screen shots. They may be too detailed for the casual beginner, but for more serious students of genealogy who have narrowed their search to those three programs, I would recommend checking out his articles. Connie Sheets Phoenix

The last genealogy software I had purchased was Family Tree Maker (FTM) 2010. I have not used the current version. It is possible in the not so distant future that I may have to recommend a genealogy software that you can purchase preferable in store. I know sometimes I am asked genealogy questions including software and I did not know about the latest version of FTM. Amy Dunn

Amy, I recently did a blog post as to why I use FTM. You might find it useful. You can access it at http://www.oldbonesgenealogy.com/why-i-use-ftm-as-my-primary-genealogy-progr am/. Eileen _______________________________ Eileen A Souza Eldersburg, MD Old Bones Genealogy LLC info@oldbonesgenealogy.com www.oldbonesgenealogy.com > -----Original Message----- > From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > dunna@roadrunner.com > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 12:12 PM > To: 'Transitional Genealogists' > Subject: [TGF] Genealogy Software > > The last genealogy software I had purchased was Family Tree Maker (FTM) 2010. > I have not used the current version. It is possible in the not so distant future that > I may have to recommend a genealogy software that you can purchase preferable > in store. > > I know sometimes I am asked genealogy questions including software and I did > not know about the latest version of FTM. > > Amy Dunn > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL- > GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks to those who helped with my citation problem. Diane On 11/2/2012 1:00 AM, transitional-genealogists-forum-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: family health history charts/programs > (cmproctor1@frontier.com) > 2. Re: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 6, Issue 588 > (Diane Barbour) > 3. Citation Question (mrsmurphy1@aol.com) > 4. Re: Citation Question (Rondina Muncy) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 08:04:48 -0700 (PDT) > From: "cmproctor1@frontier.com" <cmproctor1@frontier.com> > Subject: Re: [TGF] family health history charts/programs > To: Angela McGhie <mcghiefamilyhistory@gmail.com>, > "transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com" > <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <1351782288.51146.YahooMailNeo@web161701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Using these charts - are they private or can companies and the government access them anytime they want?? Just curious. > Cheryl Proctor > Southern Indiana > ? > > > > ________________________________ > From: Angela McGhie <mcghiefamilyhistory@gmail.com> > To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 10:41 PM > Subject: Re: [TGF] family health history charts/programs > > Robin asked: > Anyone have suggestions for family health history charts/programs? Just saw this site: http://www.itrunsinmyfamily.com/ > > Robin, > > I have not used the program you mentioned for family health histories, but > I have used the one created by the surgeon general. See > https://familyhistory.hhs.gov/fhh-web/home.action > > I have not taken the time to compare the two programs, but I do think that family health histories are very important. I had a client whose father died when he was young and so he never knew much about his family history. When I researched his paternal line I found that none of the men in his direct line for four generations lived past 55 years old and thought he needed as much health history as I could provide for him. > > Angela McGhie > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2012 16:28:10 -0600 > From: Diane Barbour <mdbfrisco@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [TGF] TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 6, > Issue 588 > To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <5092F77A.5080006@comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi Everyone, > I am having a problem sourcing an item. I am hoping someone can help me. > I got an original enlistment record. as well as, a very formal > appointment to sergeant from the army during world war I. It is not from > a service record or NARA. It came from one of my cousins, who is > allowing me to copy them. They belonged to his father, one of my > ancestors. I looked on Evidence Explained website, as well as , the book > and I could only find sources for service records from NARA. The book is > so big, I might be looking in the wrong place. > Anyone have any ideas? > Thanks for your help in advance. > Diane > > > On 11/1/2012 1:01 AM, > transitional-genealogists-forum-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >> The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Heritage Quest (Katherine Rudolph) >> 2. Problems signing into FamilySearch (Rondina Muncy) >> 3. Re: Problems signing into FamilySearch (Barbara Mathews) >> 4. Re: Problems signing into FamilySearch (Rondina Muncy) >> 5. Re: family health history charts/programs (Angela McGhie) >> 6. Re: family health history charts/programs (Janice Sellers) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 07:58:36 -0700 (PDT) >> From: Katherine Rudolph <khrhome@yahoo.com> >> Subject: Re: [TGF] Heritage Quest >> To: Janice Sellers <janicemsj@gmail.com>, >> "transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com" >> <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: >> <1351695516.81129.YahooMailNeo@web122405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >> >> Sometimes the indexers get mixed up with which page number to assign--whether the penned number or the stamped. In this case, familysearch and ancestry assigned the penned page number and heritagequest assigned the stamped page number. Fortunately, having access to ancestry, you can see that there are two possible page numbers for this sheet. (The page you are looking for is, in fact, located at image 2 of page 86.)?UNfortunately, in most cases where one would need to use heritagequest you don't have an image that you can examine to see if there were errors in the indexing. In that event your only recourse would be to browse through the ENTIRE roll to find the right enumeration district and page number--and the problem is exacerbated because you would need to view each of the different images available for each page number.? >> To add insult to injury, this is one instance where the image on heritagequest is actually WORSE than the image on ancestry. >> So, not a perfect system by any means. >> Kay >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Janice Sellers <janicemsj@gmail.com> >> To: Katherine Rudolph <khrhome@yahoo.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 9:11 PM >> Subject: Re: [TGF] Heritage Quest >> >> Kay, >> >> I found a very poor image on Ancestry today and tried using your >> method to get the page on HeritageQuest, but I ran into a problem. >> According to FamilySearch, the page in the 1930 census I am looking >> for is: >> enumeration district number: ??? 0161 >> family number: ??? 322 >> sheet number and letter: ??? 14A >> line number: ??? 37 >> nara publication: ??? T626, roll 200 >> >> But when I input T626, roll 200, and page 14 into HeritageQuest, I get >> page 14 for EDs 123, 138, and 143.? Help!? What am I doing wrong? >> >> This is the family I'm looking for: >> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XC6B-S99# >> >> Thanks very much for any advice. >> >> Janice Sellers >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 15:43:42 -0500 >> From: Rondina Muncy <rondina.muncy@gmail.com> >> Subject: [TGF] Problems signing into FamilySearch >> To: Transitional Genealogists >> <TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: >> <CALf_h7UmkhfLE7P4Wx2NKO37RoECvCq1pQtoMfbCS6njB+ZA+g@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> When I sign into FamilySearch, I get a screen that says, 'Invalid Oauth2 >> Request.' Has anyone had the same problem or know what to do about it? >> >> Thank you. >> >> Rondina >> _______________________ >> Rondina P. Muncy >> Ancestral Analysis >> 4008 Linden Avenue >> Fort Worth, Texas 76107 >> 682.224.6584 >> rondina.muncy@gmail.com >> www.ancestralanalysis.com >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 17:19:34 -0400 >> From: "Barbara Mathews" <bmathews@gis.net> >> Subject: Re: [TGF] Problems signing into FamilySearch >> To: "'Transitional Genealogists'" >> <TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <00E67370AA5344529671D9D94945440D@Barbara> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> I had exactly the same problem. I instigated the "chat" facility that Family >> Search has. Elder Peck answered and we agreed that I would delete my >> familysearch cookie and try again. >> >> That worked perfectly. >> >> Barbara >> >> Barbara J. Mathews, CG* >> P.O. Box 399 >> Lexington, MA 02420-0004 >> 781-424-1467 >> www.gis.net/~bmathews >> Come visit my blog at: >> http://demandinggenealogist.blogspot.com >> *CG (sm) and Certified Genealogist (sm) are service marks of the Board for >> Certification of GenealogistsR and are used under license by Board-certified >> associates who meet program standards and periodic competency evaluations. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of >> Rondina Muncy >> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 4:44 PM >> To: Transitional Genealogists >> Subject: [TGF] Problems signing into FamilySearch >> >> >> When I sign into FamilySearch, I get a screen that says, 'Invalid Oauth2 >> Request.' Has anyone had the same problem or know what to do about it? >> >> Thank you. >> >> Rondina >> _______________________ >> Rondina P. Muncy >> Ancestral Analysis >> 4008 Linden Avenue >> Fort Worth, Texas 76107 >> 682.224.6584 >> rondina.muncy@gmail.com >> www.ancestralanalysis.com >> The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive >> environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to >> professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 20:06:26 -0500 >> From: Rondina Muncy <rondina.muncy@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [TGF] Problems signing into FamilySearch >> To: Transitional Genealogists >> <TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: >> <CALf_h7Xfa79YR9EnJY9z2Cg-ieNSV1PrGaVH9E3_Af_w2RRb=Q@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Thank you to all who replied with help. My FamilySearch problem is fixed. >> >> Rondina >> >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Barbara Mathews <bmathews@gis.net> wrote: >> >>> I had exactly the same problem. I instigated the "chat" facility that >>> Family >>> Search has. Elder Peck answered and we agreed that I would delete my >>> familysearch cookie and try again. >>> >>> That worked perfectly. >>> >>> Barbara >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of >>> Rondina Muncy >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 4:44 PM >>> To: Transitional Genealogists >>> Subject: [TGF] Problems signing into FamilySearch >>> >>> >>> When I sign into FamilySearch, I get a screen that says, 'Invalid Oauth2 >>> Request.' Has anyone had the same problem or know what to do about it? >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Rondina >>> >>> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 22:41:46 -0400 >> From: Angela McGhie <mcghiefamilyhistory@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [TGF] family health history charts/programs >> To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: >> <CAE9A13Ow--yzevH+Jk1-bP-u29rYCROukYZS57pmxp5hs5pVRA@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Robin asked: >> Anyone have suggestions for family health history charts/programs? Just saw >> this site: http://www.itrunsinmyfamily.com/ >> >> Robin, >> >> I have not used the program you mentioned for family health histories, but >> I have used the one created by the surgeon general. See >> https://familyhistory.hhs.gov/fhh-web/home.action >> >> I have not taken the time to compare the two programs, but I do think that >> family health histories are very important. I had a client whose father >> died when he was young and so he never knew much about his family history. >> When I researched his paternal line I found that none of the men in his >> direct line for four generations lived past 55 years old and thought he >> needed as much health history as I could provide for him. >> >> Angela McGhie >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 19:49:29 -0700 >> From: Janice Sellers <janicemsj@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [TGF] family health history charts/programs >> To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: >> <CAPG64wj8=O1Xh-3A6ioK7oL+pXwbdzJ+d_aUQLm2xA5+GM3Z3Q@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> I had a similar discovery when I started researching my half-sister's >> mother's family. Four generations of men, all dead before 60, all >> heart attacks. I encouraged my sister to pass on the information to >> her son. >> >> Janice Sellers >> >> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 7:41 PM, Angela McGhie >> <mcghiefamilyhistory@gmail.com> wrote: >>> I have not taken the time to compare the two programs, but I do think that >>> family health histories are very important. I had a client whose father >>> died when he was young and so he never knew much about his family history. >>> When I researched his paternal line I found that none of the men in his >>> direct line for four generations lived past 55 years old and thought he >>> needed as much health history as I could provide for him. >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> >> End of TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 6, Issue 588 >> *************************************************************** >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 19:09:16 -0400 > From: mrsmurphy1@aol.com > Subject: [TGF] Citation Question > To: Diane Barbour <mdbfrisco@comcast.net> > Cc: "transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com" > <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <E05933D3-793A-4069-9493-015FD7868A46@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Diane asked about a citation for military records that came to her from a relative. I had a similar situation, and was advised to treat the documents as personal artifacts/private holdings. Your source for the documents is a family member (not NARA), so the citation should reflect that. Was I properly informed? Any other opinions? > > Janeth Murphy > Moyock, NC > > > > On Nov 1, 2012, at 6:28 PM, Diane Barbour <mdbfrisco@comcast.net> wrote: > >> Hi Everyone, >> I am having a problem sourcing an item. I am hoping someone can help me. >> I got an original enlistment record. as well as, a very formal >> appointment to sergeant from the army during world war I. It is not from >> a service record or NARA. It came from one of my cousins, who is >> allowing me to copy them. They belonged to his father, one of my >> ancestors. I looked on Evidence Explained website, as well as , the book >> and I could only find sources for service records from NARA. The book is >> so big, I might be looking in the wrong place. >> Anyone have any ideas? >> Thanks for your help in advance. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 20:25:40 -0500 > From: Rondina Muncy <rondina.muncy@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [TGF] Citation Question > To: mrsmurphy1@aol.com > Cc: Diane Barbour <mdbfrisco@comcast.net>, > "transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com" > <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <CALf_h7UCt0t+sdTzmjw46J6TdvcKRZW6GpHxQcPLfq8MAtpwiw@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Janeth, > > You are correct. An individual holds the documents, not a repository. > > > Rondina > _______________________ > Rondina P. Muncy > Ancestral Analysis > 4008 Linden Avenue > Fort Worth, Texas 76107 > 682.224.6584 > rondina.muncy@gmail.com > www.ancestralanalysis.com > > > On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 6:09 PM, <mrsmurphy1@aol.com> wrote: > >> Diane asked about a citation for military records that came to her from a >> relative. I had a similar situation, and was advised to treat the documents >> as personal artifacts/private holdings. Your source for the documents is a >> family member (not NARA), so the citation should reflect that. Was I >> properly informed? Any other opinions? >> >> Janeth Murphy >> Moyock, NC >> >> >> >> On Nov 1, 2012, at 6:28 PM, Diane Barbour <mdbfrisco@comcast.net> wrote: >> >>> Hi Everyone, >>> I am having a problem sourcing an item. I am hoping someone can help me. >>> I got an original enlistment record. as well as, a very formal >>> appointment to sergeant from the army during world war I. It is not from >>> a service record or NARA. It came from one of my cousins, who is >>> allowing me to copy them. They belonged to his father, one of my >>> ancestors. I looked on Evidence Explained website, as well as , the book >>> and I could only find sources for service records from NARA. The book is >>> so big, I might be looking in the wrong place. >>> Anyone have any ideas? >>> Thanks for your help in advance. >> The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive >> environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to >> professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 6, Issue 589 > *************************************************************** >

Janeth, You are correct. An individual holds the documents, not a repository. Rondina _______________________ Rondina P. Muncy Ancestral Analysis 4008 Linden Avenue Fort Worth, Texas 76107 682.224.6584 rondina.muncy@gmail.com www.ancestralanalysis.com On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 6:09 PM, <mrsmurphy1@aol.com> wrote: > Diane asked about a citation for military records that came to her from a > relative. I had a similar situation, and was advised to treat the documents > as personal artifacts/private holdings. Your source for the documents is a > family member (not NARA), so the citation should reflect that. Was I > properly informed? Any other opinions? > > Janeth Murphy > Moyock, NC > > > > On Nov 1, 2012, at 6:28 PM, Diane Barbour <mdbfrisco@comcast.net> wrote: > > > Hi Everyone, > > I am having a problem sourcing an item. I am hoping someone can help me. > > I got an original enlistment record. as well as, a very formal > > appointment to sergeant from the army during world war I. It is not from > > a service record or NARA. It came from one of my cousins, who is > > allowing me to copy them. They belonged to his father, one of my > > ancestors. I looked on Evidence Explained website, as well as , the book > > and I could only find sources for service records from NARA. The book is > > so big, I might be looking in the wrong place. > > Anyone have any ideas? > > Thanks for your help in advance. > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >