If depends on what your goal is. If this is your personal research than you should be the anchor on the pedigree chart. If you are working on your husband's family then he is the anchor. If you are doing a report on one of your ancestors and you want to include a pedigree chart than he/she is the anchor. If this is research for someone else, then whoever your starting person is for the research (not necessarily the client) is your anchor person. For the BCG's KDP you do not need to submit a pedigree chart. Michele -----Original Message----- From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of GlitteringGem@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 11:55 AM To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: [TGF] Need some tips Hi, I am trying to figure what the best way to organize family research. I was wondering what you guys do with pedigree charts. I mean do you use one that start with you or do you do separate ones starting with different ancestors in few generations back such as a great grandparent to keep a good track of each generation? Not only I need tips, I also have a question for certification process that has something to do with these pedigree charts. There is a question where I can use my ancestors for the kinship-determination project except I cannot use anything on me or my sibling. I am refering to Ahnentafel generation chart, I am wondering if I should start the chart with my grandparent or myself for the kinship-determination project. I hope this makes sense. Any suggestions will be appreciated, thanks! The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Elissa, Thank you for encouraging us to begin the process of certification. I have been waffling since finishing BU and as I looked at the video you did online, I see that BU has given us the skills to actually get certified! Now it's a matter of just applying them and putting in the hard work. Iplan on returning my preliminary application before January when the rates go up! Pat

I want to thank everyone that provided advice on this question, including those making personal contact. The retainer, in terms of number of hours, and the amount of actual pre contract research time spent were extremely helpful. I look forward to my next experience with a potential client. Connie Bradshaw

Hi Rick, Thanks for writing. It was informative to hear from someone who is here in SLC. Actually you could be from anywhere that there is a large repository, library, or archives. It does put a certain twist on things. I especially like your last comment. <<The one thing of specializing and being in SLC is knowing what exists but is NOT here, and developing contacts that can get those records when needed.>> Thanks for your input. Everyone's comments have given me a lot to think about and consider. Patty McIntyre On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 6:00 PM, Fredric Z. Saunders <fzsaund@ix.netcom.com>wrote: > Hi Patricia, > > I am also in SLC, and I don't do UT research. I have not pursued being a > CG. > Being here is a *little* different. Where people in other areas may > specialize only in their county, or neighboring counties, or if they are > near their state archives, they may specialize in their whole state. > > I think many in SLC end up specializing in an area where their own ancestry > was from, because that's where they started their research. I do mostly > MD, > VA, NC, KY, TN. Of course once you get to the eastern shore of MD, there > will be overlap with DE. Many NC or MD lines may go back to PA, so I also > do > a lot there. With all the other southern states you may have lines that > originated in NC or VA, but the client's line is stuck in another southern > state. So, I do some here and there in all the southern states to get them > back to the more familiar "area of specialization." > > After a while, not only do you know the statewide records, but you know > individual counties and automatically what is available, when they were > formed, and what counties were formed from them without looking. You see an > uncommon surname of a neighbor or associate and automatically think "this > goes back to area ----." You know the migration routes, the large rivers, > the small streams, and picture them in your mind and how close they are > before even looking at a map. > > So yes, that's what comes through specializing, even if whole states or > areas. Many counties were so common in migration, or at one time one > county > was half the state, that you will see/use those records over and over. If > you do a lot of Colonial research as I do or back to when a state was first > settled, then you're back to where a state may have had only a handful > (well, maybe large handful) of counties, and you will definitely see/use > records of those counties again and again. > > The one thing of specializing and being in SLC is knowing what exists but > is > NOT here, and developing contacts that can get those records when needed. > > Rick Saunders > > -----Original Message----- > From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Patricia McIntyre > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 11:35 AM > To: Debbie Hooper > Cc: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [TGF] Areas and Specializations > > Good morning! > > I have been reading this line with interest. It points to some questions > that I have been working through my brain. They are related to Debbie's > comments: > > <<When/if you specialize in a certain area (state, region, etc.), you will > become familiar with those records. >> > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Patricia, I am also in SLC, and I don't do UT research. I have not pursued being a CG. Being here is a *little* different. Where people in other areas may specialize only in their county, or neighboring counties, or if they are near their state archives, they may specialize in their whole state. I think many in SLC end up specializing in an area where their own ancestry was from, because that's where they started their research. I do mostly MD, VA, NC, KY, TN. Of course once you get to the eastern shore of MD, there will be overlap with DE. Many NC or MD lines may go back to PA, so I also do a lot there. With all the other southern states you may have lines that originated in NC or VA, but the client's line is stuck in another southern state. So, I do some here and there in all the southern states to get them back to the more familiar "area of specialization." After a while, not only do you know the statewide records, but you know individual counties and automatically what is available, when they were formed, and what counties were formed from them without looking. You see an uncommon surname of a neighbor or associate and automatically think "this goes back to area ----." You know the migration routes, the large rivers, the small streams, and picture them in your mind and how close they are before even looking at a map. So yes, that's what comes through specializing, even if whole states or areas. Many counties were so common in migration, or at one time one county was half the state, that you will see/use those records over and over. If you do a lot of Colonial research as I do or back to when a state was first settled, then you're back to where a state may have had only a handful (well, maybe large handful) of counties, and you will definitely see/use records of those counties again and again. The one thing of specializing and being in SLC is knowing what exists but is NOT here, and developing contacts that can get those records when needed. Rick Saunders -----Original Message----- From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Patricia McIntyre Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 11:35 AM To: Debbie Hooper Cc: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TGF] Areas and Specializations Good morning! I have been reading this line with interest. It points to some questions that I have been working through my brain. They are related to Debbie's comments: <<When/if you specialize in a certain area (state, region, etc.), you will become familiar with those records. >>

Hi Eva, Just my 2 cents. If you decide to use a computer database to log what you find, you may want to think about a numbering system. For example, All my family papers, photographs ect. are filed in sheet protectors and hanging binders. Red for mom's side Blue for dad's. I just put them in the way I received them with a unique number ie. Gil_Doc 00001 or Gil Photo 00001. These numbers go into a database with descriptions. If I use a document for a source I reference that number in my working citation. This makes it extremely easy to go right to the document. I don't have to think about family groups or individuals just which side of the family. If the document has 10 people on it no problem no thinking about which family I just pull the document because I filled it by a number and not a family or name. Ann In a message dated 07-Nov-12 12:59:25 US Mountain Standard Time, faeriejem@gmail.com writes: Hi Eva, Your timeline will depend on just how much material there is and how organized you want it to be. The first thing you do is survey all the material and see what is actually there. What family groups are represented? Do it appear that anything is already organized in any way or is it all haphazardly stored in boxes? More importantly, are there any items that look to have mold, mildew or insect damage? If so, SEPARATE these from everything else immediately. Once you have an idea of what you have, you start the actual organizing (or in archives speak, arranging). You mentioned organizing everything by family group. The survey should have given you an idea of how specifically to break people/records into groups. Write down your plan of how to do that and follow it through the arranging (if you change or augment the plan, keep track of how). As you move records into the different groups, use a notebook or laptop to keep track of what records are going in what family group (this will be your index, or in archives speak, finding aid). Usually, like materials are physically kept together (e.g. paper documents, photographs, albums, material objects) within each family grouping. This part is what takes the longest amount of time. If you have less time, you can simply move everything into new boxes and write on each box what is inside. >From your description of how much material is there, I would not start by buying archival quality document cases and polypropylene sheets. Unless you have a huge budget, this will break the bank. Instead, get archival file folders (letter and/or legal size, depending on your needs) and paper photo envelopes in various sizes (you can write descriptions on the envelope and store one or more photos in each) from Demco, Gaylord, or Hollinger Metal Edge. Get bankers boxes from the local office supply store. The best thing you can do for archival storage is to store everything is a cool, dry place with no direct sunlight (NOT the basement, attic or non-temperature controlled storage unit). This will preserve everything so that as you are able to, you can buy document cases or records cartons (archival quality banker's boxes). You might want to invest in some drop-front boxes for each scrapbooks at some point. You do not need to cite each item separately. At the beginning of the index, state that everything came from storage at X place in X persons' possession as well as the date. If you know where specific items came from before they were in your grandparent's possession, then you can notate that later in the body of the index or at the end. You mentioned have photographs that cross multiple family groups. One way I have seen this dealt with is to organize the paper records and photographs in different ways. Do the paper by family group and the photos by whatever way makes sense - family group, couple, era, place, etc. Best, Jennifer Shaw (archivist) On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Eva Goodwin <edwgoodwin@gmail.com> wrote: > Does anyone here do professional work in the family/estate > archiving/organizing arena? > > My grandfather, 94, is dying of bone cancer and probably only has a few > weeks left to live and my grandmother has dementia and will likely not live > much longer than him. In their storage, they have over a dozen boxes of > original family papers (letters, records, scrapbooks, diaries, military > papers, official vital documents, you name it they have it) and photos > (both in albums and just loose) - but *all* of it is in utter chaos and > totally disorganized. It actually hurts me to open the boxes and look in > them because of both the lack of order and the lack of decent care for > these items - some of them date back to the early 1800s. > > (Why haven't these been sorted through and archived earlier? My grandmother > is fiercely, fiercely protective of them and does not like anyone looking > at them for fear of us taking them away from her or ruining them or losing > them, etc. Her failing mental capacities have meant that for the past > decade she's just been grasping at what she still has.) > > Now, though, suddenly everyone is in a panic about these photos and > documents and what we will do with them and how we will identify them if my > grandparents die. So they've enlisted me to help. > > This isn't the usual work that I do - normally I do research - but I would > like to approach this in a way I would approach a paying client. I would > like to give my family a proposal and a project plan. (They will be paying > me for this.) My question is, how have others approached this kind of > project? On what kind of timeline? With what kind of billing procedures? > > My plan right now, loosely, is to purchase a few dozen archival quality > document and photo boxes and a few hundred polypropylene archival quality > clear sheet protectors and start organizing everything, paper by paper, > into family group. But how do I do this without getting totally bogged > down? Do I start with the broad sorting triage and then go back to do > citations and descriptions of individual documents? Do I create an index > along the way? Difficulties I imagine encountering: unidentifiable > documents and photos; documents that cross different family groups; sheer > volume of material being too much to archive in individual sheet > protectors; and I'm sure other difficulties I'm not yet imagining. > > Any words of wisdom in terms of project planning? Also could use some > insight into billing for this - by the hour? How long should I imagine this > might take? Should I bill in stages? (I.e., "Phase I" will bill this much, > further phases billed separately?) > > Help! > > Thank you :) > > Eva

Eva, I think that you have to triage. From what you said, the single most critical issue is that the one person who can identify the people and places in the photographs is about to die. As much as it would feel good to get organized, the photographs will still be in existence next year. Archiving issues can be approached then. If you put the archiving issues first, you risk losing identification. You risk losing that forever. I wouldn't be above taking the oldest photographs first and bringing them to your grandfather and all of his children and asking who is in them. Their memories will provide stories. Make sure to record them. The new smartphones will permit you to photograph the photographs and record the conversations as you go. In 1984, the photographs and old family keepsakes of both sets of my grandparents were divided up. Ruthlessly cut into five piles and sent out to my and my cousins and siblings. The five of us immediately photocopied our piles. I gathered all five photocopied piles into one complete set and then made four more complete sets. Back they went. Digital technology has changed how you might do that now, but we have two things going on. One is the splintering of the complete set of photographs. The other is the duplication so that we all have that information for ourselves and our own children. Digital technology, especially in regards to photographs, will be very helpful for you in this task. I just wanted to state that I think the focus should be on using the photographs to spark conversations with your grandfather and his children. I know from personal experience how comforting it is to organize and clean when these big issues of impending loss come up. I remember that the day my mother died I cleaned her kitchen. It was my mother's kitchen and if ever there was a room that didn't need cleaning, it would have been my mother's kitchen. However, it was comforting to me to wipe down those counters. Yours, Barbara

One of the new-age techniques that eliminates one of your issues is tagging. When you have a digitized version, you can tag a single photo to each of the different families depicted in the photo or document. A physical paper can only be filed in one spot, which is quite a different animal. Maybe someone with more experience than I could weigh in on scanning everything in an application like Picasa and organizing it that way. Then, perhaps just a reference in the app that the hard copy is stored in box "x." I only know one person (not an archivist) who has 14 cartons of photos and documents from her extended family (which is also my family). When I traveled 2000 miles to her home with the intention of reviewing all of her material, she had a separate box for each of the 7 children who were her father's siblings. I don't recall correspondence being separated from the passports, legal documents or photos. Still, I enjoyed several days cherry-picking the items of most interest to me, which I scanned and transported to my home on a flash drive. When I organize things on my computer, I have folders nested within folders. For example, Folder 1. Grandma K Folder 1.a. 1st child of Grandma K Folder 1.b. 2nd child of Grandma K and so on This is all keyed to my family tree, so with hundreds of people, I find them first on the tree, then go to the right "big" folder....open that, and then find the "small" folder within. I try to name the files with either the name first (so the computer automatically alphabetizes the files for me) or the year....whichever makes for sense for that grouping. Be forewarned: if you have an emotional attachment to any of the material you're archiving, this could take a long time. I feel like I could much more easily do this task with someone else's "stuff" than my own! Great question! Good luck! Billie Elias www.genealogygal.wordpress.com On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Jennifer Shaw <faeriejem@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Eva, > > Your timeline will depend on just how much material there is and how > organized you want it to be. The first thing you do is survey all the > material and see what is actually there. What family groups are > represented? Do it appear that anything is already organized in any way or > is it all haphazardly stored in boxes? More importantly, are there any > items that look to have mold, mildew or insect damage? If so, SEPARATE > these from everything else immediately. > > Once you have an idea of what you have, you start the actual organizing (or > in archives speak, arranging). You mentioned organizing everything by > family group. The survey should have given you an idea of how specifically > to break people/records into groups. Write down your plan of how to do that > and follow it through the arranging (if you change or augment the plan, > keep track of how). As you move records into the different groups, use a > notebook or laptop to keep track of what records are going in what family > group (this will be your index, or in archives speak, finding aid). > Usually, like materials are physically kept together (e.g. paper documents, > photographs, albums, material objects) within each family grouping. This > part is what takes the longest amount of time. If you have less time, you > can simply move everything into new boxes and write on each box what is > inside. > > >From your description of how much material is there, I would not start by > buying archival quality document cases and polypropylene sheets. Unless > you have a huge budget, this will break the bank. Instead, get archival > file folders (letter and/or legal size, depending on your needs) and paper > photo envelopes in various sizes (you can write descriptions on the > envelope and store one or more photos in each) from Demco, Gaylord, or > Hollinger Metal Edge. Get bankers boxes from the local office supply store. > The best thing you can do for archival storage is to store everything is a > cool, dry place with no direct sunlight (NOT the basement, attic or > non-temperature controlled storage unit). This will preserve everything so > that as you are able to, you can buy document cases or records cartons > (archival quality banker's boxes). You might want to invest in some > drop-front boxes for each scrapbooks at some point. > > You do not need to cite each item separately. At the beginning of the > index, state that everything came from storage at X place in X persons' > possession as well as the date. If you know where specific items came from > before they were in your grandparent's possession, then you can notate that > later in the body of the index or at the end. You mentioned have > photographs that cross multiple family groups. One way I have seen this > dealt with is to organize the paper records and photographs in different > ways. Do the paper by family group and the photos by whatever way makes > sense - family group, couple, era, place, etc. > > Best, > Jennifer Shaw > (archivist) > > > On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Eva Goodwin <edwgoodwin@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Does anyone here do professional work in the family/estate > > archiving/organizing arena? > > > > My grandfather, 94, is dying of bone cancer and probably only has a few > > weeks left to live and my grandmother has dementia and will likely not > live > > much longer than him. In their storage, they have over a dozen boxes of > > original family papers (letters, records, scrapbooks, diaries, military > > papers, official vital documents, you name it they have it) and photos > > (both in albums and just loose) - but *all* of it is in utter chaos and > > totally disorganized. It actually hurts me to open the boxes and look in > > them because of both the lack of order and the lack of decent care for > > these items - some of them date back to the early 1800s. > > > > (Why haven't these been sorted through and archived earlier? My > grandmother > > is fiercely, fiercely protective of them and does not like anyone looking > > at them for fear of us taking them away from her or ruining them or > losing > > them, etc. Her failing mental capacities have meant that for the past > > decade she's just been grasping at what she still has.) > > > > Now, though, suddenly everyone is in a panic about these photos and > > documents and what we will do with them and how we will identify them if > my > > grandparents die. So they've enlisted me to help. > > > > This isn't the usual work that I do - normally I do research - but I > would > > like to approach this in a way I would approach a paying client. I would > > like to give my family a proposal and a project plan. (They will be > paying > > me for this.) My question is, how have others approached this kind of > > project? On what kind of timeline? With what kind of billing procedures? > > > > My plan right now, loosely, is to purchase a few dozen archival quality > > document and photo boxes and a few hundred polypropylene archival quality > > clear sheet protectors and start organizing everything, paper by paper, > > into family group. But how do I do this without getting totally bogged > > down? Do I start with the broad sorting triage and then go back to do > > citations and descriptions of individual documents? Do I create an index > > along the way? Difficulties I imagine encountering: unidentifiable > > documents and photos; documents that cross different family groups; sheer > > volume of material being too much to archive in individual sheet > > protectors; and I'm sure other difficulties I'm not yet imagining. > > > > Any words of wisdom in terms of project planning? Also could use some > > insight into billing for this - by the hour? How long should I imagine > this > > might take? Should I bill in stages? (I.e., "Phase I" will bill this > much, > > further phases billed separately?) > > > > Help! > > > > Thank you :) > > > > Eva > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition > to > > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > > > > -- > Jennifer Shaw > faeriejem@gmail.com > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I will elaborate on Harold's response. The Preliminary Application that you send to the office (found as a free download at http://www.bcgcertification.org/certification/requirements.html) triggers a few things: The office will add your name as a subscriber to the newsletter _OnBoard_. The office will alert the ACTION list coordinator to invite you to the group where you can have direct access to the BCG Trustees and Outreach Committee and the other preliminary applicants for questions or discussion during your application year. The office will send you a packet of information including your test document based on the "specialty" you have listed. Don't make this too hard on yourself or stretch too far into unfamiliar territory. If you say you have a language specialty, it should be fluent. If you mark down a state, you may get a document from that state or from its region. This is for the selection of the Requirement 3 - BCG-supplied Document only and does not mean that you have to complete the rest of the portfolio using that "specialty." I would also like everyone to note that the current Preliminary Application Fee is $50. As of January 1, it will be $75. (Just saying!) There are advantages to getting "on the clock" sooner than later as mentioned above. If you run out of time next year you may also "re-up" for another year by paying the $75 fee again. As many people have found out, it is better to not hurry and just pay the pre-lim fee again when running up against your one-year deadline for the portfolio. Give yourself that breathing room to check and finish the details (which is where that devil lives!) -- Elissa Elissa Scalise Powell, CG, CGL www.PowellGenealogy.com www.GRIPitt.org CG, Certified Genealogist, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are Service Marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic evaluations by the Board and the board name is a trademark registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. > -----Original Message----- > From: On Behalf Of Harold Henderson > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 1:45 PM > > BCG asks about specialization, not necessarily to commit you forever to one area, but > because they want to send you a document (of their choice) for part 3 of the portfolio > (document work) that is in a region and a language that you are familiar with. The point is > what you know best now. Your decision about future specialization may be the same or it > may wait. > > On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Patricia McIntyre < linked2ancestors@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > 1st question: I would like to start my CG but I am stumped by the very > > first step on the preliminary application. What do you do if you do > > not have a certain area that you have specialized in?

I think that is very generous of you and I can't imagine anyone thinking that you were using the storm to your advantage. Michele -----Original Message----- From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Alicia Watt Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 2:01 PM To: tgf Subject: [TGF] Ethical Question With the holidays approaching and the disaster in the northeast AND my personal desire to get my first paying client, I'm considering offering a holiday promotion along the lines of: Give a gift of family history and aid the Red Cross. You pay $XX/hour of research (X hours minimum) and I will donate 1/2 the proceeds to the Red Cross. I thought this might draw in some business among my friends and family, get me started as well as helping the Red Cross. I wonder, however, if there is an ethical problem here where I could be accused of using the disaster to bolster my business. Personally, I don't see it as much different from donating a gift certificate to a silent auction. Any thoughts on this? I suppose that would be another way to go - auction of a certificate rather than taking any portion of the money for myself... I would appreciate any advice here! I can't be the only one who has thought of this, right? Thanks,Alicia Watt The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well, it is the whole marriage book for that time period. The front cover is photographed as well as every page in that book. If there was anything missing, it would have to be an entire book or possibly loose papers that fell out of the book. The marriage books that have been microfilmed are 1. Wilkes County Marriage Book, 1806 - 1834 2. Wilkes County Marriage Book, 1832 - 1856 3. Wilkes County Marriage Book, 1856 - 1867 4. Wilkes County Marriage Book, 1867 - 1871 5. Wilkes County Marriage Book, 1871 - 1875 6. Wilkes County Marriage Book, 1874 - 1882 7. Wilkes County Marriage Book, 1882 - 1902 8. Wilkes County Marriage Book, African American, 1875 - 1878 9. Wilkes County Marriage Book, African American, 1882 - 1891 10. Wilkes County Marriage Book, African American, 1891 - 1905 11. Wilkes County Marriage Book, African-American, 1876 - 1882 The set looks pretty complete. Each book is hand indexed (by the clerk in the front of the book) but that is always a bit iffy so if I can't find a marriage I look through the pages. Michele From: Patricia McIntyre [mailto:linked2ancestors@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 1:39 PM To: Michele Lewis Cc: TGF Mailing List Subject: Re: [TGF] Frustrating! Michele, Are you sure all of the records have been digitized for that county and put online? I know that sometimes they are put up as they become available and it is not a complete set. Patty McIntyre Linked2Ancestors On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Michele Lewis <ancestoring@gmail.com> wrote: An LDS member submitted a Patron Ordinance Submission sheet in 1986 with the marriage of Calvin Lewis to Emily Miles, 11 Nov 1847 in Wilkes County, GA. Her source for the information is "Marriage Records of Wilks [sic] CO, GA" I have a copy of the sheet from microfilm. Digital images from microfilm of the Wilkes County marriage books are online at Georgia's Virtual Vault.  Calvin is not listed in the index.  I hand searched through the pages covering 1847 with many pages before and after just in case but I can't find it. On the Patron Ordinance Submission sheet, there are 3 marriages listed.  The first one is in a different marriage book and I found it with no problem. The other two would be in the same marriage book and I could find neither. What is interesting is Calvin was from Columbia County as was Emily.  It is a bit odd for them to have gone to Wilkes to get married but not impossible since Wilkes is the next county north.  I checked the Columbia County marriage books (digital images of microfilm) and that was negative too. I tried to track down the submitter but I had no luck there.  If she is still living, she doesn't live at the address listed on the sheet. So now I have an exact date for a marriage but no good source to go with it. Michele The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Kassie, Here's a tie-in to your Thanksgiving challenge: StoryCorps suggests a "National Day of Listening" the day after Thanksgiving each year. Check it out. Charlene M. Pipkin, A.G.

An LDS member submitted a Patron Ordinance Submission sheet in 1986 with the marriage of Calvin Lewis to Emily Miles, 11 Nov 1847 in Wilkes County, GA. Her source for the information is "Marriage Records of Wilks [sic] CO, GA" I have a copy of the sheet from microfilm. Digital images from microfilm of the Wilkes County marriage books are online at Georgia's Virtual Vault. Calvin is not listed in the index. I hand searched through the pages covering 1847 with many pages before and after just in case but I can't find it. On the Patron Ordinance Submission sheet, there are 3 marriages listed. The first one is in a different marriage book and I found it with no problem. The other two would be in the same marriage book and I could find neither. What is interesting is Calvin was from Columbia County as was Emily. It is a bit odd for them to have gone to Wilkes to get married but not impossible since Wilkes is the next county north. I checked the Columbia County marriage books (digital images of microfilm) and that was negative too. I tried to track down the submitter but I had no luck there. If she is still living, she doesn't live at the address listed on the sheet. So now I have an exact date for a marriage but no good source to go with it. Michele

I'm in! Excellent idea, Kassie. Thank you for the encouragement. Cathi *Catherine Desmarais, Certified Genealogist*℠ www.StoneHouseResearch.com Family History and Forensic Research Heirloom Albums and Wall Charts >From Vermont's beautiful Champlain Valley Certified Genealogist and CG are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists®, used under license by the Board's associates after periodic evaluation. On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Kassie Nelson <cedartreegen@gmail.com>wrote: > Hi all! > > I would like to invite everyone to join the "Thanksgiving Challenge." The > idea of the challenge is to encourage all genealogists no matter where they > are at in their walk in life to get back to their own research- even if > it's just for one week, once a year. I am also encouraging everyone to talk > about how the challenge goes whether it be at society/association meetings, > on their blogs or just posting comments on other people's blogs. I > initially introduced this challenge on my blog ( > http://cedartree.blog.com/2012/11/01/the-thanksgiving-challenge/) a week > ago and have added another post ( > > http://cedartree.blog.com/2012/11/02/how-to-have-a-family-history-themed-thanksgiving/ > ) > with > some ideas on how to get your family interested in genealogy this holiday > season. I'll be posting more along those lines throughout the month. If you > decide to take up the challenge let me know how it goes and happy hunting! > > Kassie Nelson > Cedar Tree Genealogy > www.cedartreegenealogy.com > http://cedartree.blog.com > 402.850.3461 > On Twitter! @CedarTreeGen > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Eva, Your timeline will depend on just how much material there is and how organized you want it to be. The first thing you do is survey all the material and see what is actually there. What family groups are represented? Do it appear that anything is already organized in any way or is it all haphazardly stored in boxes? More importantly, are there any items that look to have mold, mildew or insect damage? If so, SEPARATE these from everything else immediately. Once you have an idea of what you have, you start the actual organizing (or in archives speak, arranging). You mentioned organizing everything by family group. The survey should have given you an idea of how specifically to break people/records into groups. Write down your plan of how to do that and follow it through the arranging (if you change or augment the plan, keep track of how). As you move records into the different groups, use a notebook or laptop to keep track of what records are going in what family group (this will be your index, or in archives speak, finding aid). Usually, like materials are physically kept together (e.g. paper documents, photographs, albums, material objects) within each family grouping. This part is what takes the longest amount of time. If you have less time, you can simply move everything into new boxes and write on each box what is inside. >From your description of how much material is there, I would not start by buying archival quality document cases and polypropylene sheets. Unless you have a huge budget, this will break the bank. Instead, get archival file folders (letter and/or legal size, depending on your needs) and paper photo envelopes in various sizes (you can write descriptions on the envelope and store one or more photos in each) from Demco, Gaylord, or Hollinger Metal Edge. Get bankers boxes from the local office supply store. The best thing you can do for archival storage is to store everything is a cool, dry place with no direct sunlight (NOT the basement, attic or non-temperature controlled storage unit). This will preserve everything so that as you are able to, you can buy document cases or records cartons (archival quality banker's boxes). You might want to invest in some drop-front boxes for each scrapbooks at some point. You do not need to cite each item separately. At the beginning of the index, state that everything came from storage at X place in X persons' possession as well as the date. If you know where specific items came from before they were in your grandparent's possession, then you can notate that later in the body of the index or at the end. You mentioned have photographs that cross multiple family groups. One way I have seen this dealt with is to organize the paper records and photographs in different ways. Do the paper by family group and the photos by whatever way makes sense - family group, couple, era, place, etc. Best, Jennifer Shaw (archivist) On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Eva Goodwin <edwgoodwin@gmail.com> wrote: > Does anyone here do professional work in the family/estate > archiving/organizing arena? > > My grandfather, 94, is dying of bone cancer and probably only has a few > weeks left to live and my grandmother has dementia and will likely not live > much longer than him. In their storage, they have over a dozen boxes of > original family papers (letters, records, scrapbooks, diaries, military > papers, official vital documents, you name it they have it) and photos > (both in albums and just loose) - but *all* of it is in utter chaos and > totally disorganized. It actually hurts me to open the boxes and look in > them because of both the lack of order and the lack of decent care for > these items - some of them date back to the early 1800s. > > (Why haven't these been sorted through and archived earlier? My grandmother > is fiercely, fiercely protective of them and does not like anyone looking > at them for fear of us taking them away from her or ruining them or losing > them, etc. Her failing mental capacities have meant that for the past > decade she's just been grasping at what she still has.) > > Now, though, suddenly everyone is in a panic about these photos and > documents and what we will do with them and how we will identify them if my > grandparents die. So they've enlisted me to help. > > This isn't the usual work that I do - normally I do research - but I would > like to approach this in a way I would approach a paying client. I would > like to give my family a proposal and a project plan. (They will be paying > me for this.) My question is, how have others approached this kind of > project? On what kind of timeline? With what kind of billing procedures? > > My plan right now, loosely, is to purchase a few dozen archival quality > document and photo boxes and a few hundred polypropylene archival quality > clear sheet protectors and start organizing everything, paper by paper, > into family group. But how do I do this without getting totally bogged > down? Do I start with the broad sorting triage and then go back to do > citations and descriptions of individual documents? Do I create an index > along the way? Difficulties I imagine encountering: unidentifiable > documents and photos; documents that cross different family groups; sheer > volume of material being too much to archive in individual sheet > protectors; and I'm sure other difficulties I'm not yet imagining. > > Any words of wisdom in terms of project planning? Also could use some > insight into billing for this - by the hour? How long should I imagine this > might take? Should I bill in stages? (I.e., "Phase I" will bill this much, > further phases billed separately?) > > Help! > > Thank you :) > > Eva > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Jennifer Shaw faeriejem@gmail.com

Thank you so much for the responses, Harold and Elissa. You have answered many of my questions. I appreciate the, " Don't make this too hard on yourself," comment as I think that is exactly what I was doing! This will help my educational plan as well as my plans to eventually be a CG. It is way easy to sit here at the computer and convince yourself that being certified is much too hard. Thanks for the answers and the support. Patty McIntyre On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Elissa Scalise Powell, CG, CGL < Elissa@powellgenealogy.com> wrote: > I will elaborate on Harold's response. The Preliminary Application that you > send to the office (found as a free download at > http://www.bcgcertification.org/certification/requirements.html) triggers > a > few things: > > The office will add your name as a subscriber to the newsletter > _OnBoard_. > > The office will alert the ACTION list coordinator to invite you to > the group where you can have direct access to the BCG Trustees and Outreach > Committee and the other preliminary applicants for questions or discussion > during your application year. > > The office will send you a packet of information including your > test > document based on the "specialty" you have listed. Don't make this too hard > on yourself or stretch too far into unfamiliar territory. If you say you > have a language specialty, it should be fluent. If you mark down a state, > you may get a document from that state or from its region. This is for the > selection of the Requirement 3 - BCG-supplied Document only and does not > mean that you have to complete the rest of the portfolio using that > "specialty." > > I would also like everyone to note that the current Preliminary Application > Fee is $50. As of January 1, it will be $75. (Just saying!) There are > advantages to getting "on the clock" sooner than later as mentioned above. > If you run out of time next year you may also "re-up" for another year by > paying the $75 fee again. As many people have found out, it is better to > not > hurry and just pay the pre-lim fee again when running up against your > one-year deadline for the portfolio. Give yourself that breathing room to > check and finish the details (which is where that devil lives!) > > -- Elissa > > Elissa Scalise Powell, CG, CGL > www.PowellGenealogy.com > www.GRIPitt.org > CG, Certified Genealogist, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are > Service Marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under > license by board certificants after periodic evaluations by the Board and > the board name is a trademark registered in the US Patent and Trademark > Office. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: On Behalf Of Harold Henderson > > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 1:45 PM > > > > BCG asks about specialization, not necessarily to commit you forever to > one area, but > > because they want to send you a document (of their choice) for part 3 of > the portfolio > > (document work) that is in a region and a language that you are familiar > with. The point is > > what you know best now. Your decision about future specialization may be > the same or it > > may wait. > > > > On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Patricia McIntyre < > linked2ancestors@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > 1st question: I would like to start my CG but I am stumped by the very > > > first step on the preliminary application. What do you do if you do > > > not have a certain area that you have specialized in? > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Patty -- BCG asks about specialization, not necessarily to commit you forever to one area, but because they want to send you a document (of their choice) for part 3 of the portfolio (document work) that is in a region and a language that you are familiar with. The point is what you know best now. Your decision about future specialization may be the same or it may wait. As for that future decision, I trust one of our Salt Lake City researchers may suggest their take on specialties. It is a different kind of decision there, or in Washington DC, than it is out here in the boonies! Harold On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Patricia McIntyre < linked2ancestors@gmail.com> wrote: > Good morning! > > I have been reading this line with interest. It points to some questions > that I have been working through my brain. They are related to Debbie's > comments: > > <<When/if you specialize in a certain area (state, region, etc.), you will > become familiar with those records. >> > > 1st question: I would like to start my CG but I am stumped by the very > first step on the preliminary application. What do you do if you do not > have a certain area that you have specialized in? I live near Salt Lake > City and work at the SLFHL often. I know how to use the library well and > the records that are there. But I do not "specialize" in Utah or the > surrounding states because my family lines are not there. They are more in > Wisconsin, Illinois, New York, and Hungary. I do understand the importance > of living close to the area or region so that you can visit archives and do > footwork when necessary. I checked the archives for the TGF and did not > find an answer to this. > > 2nd question: I have an interest in land records. I have used them some and > am intrigued about the information that can be available when researching > them. Are there any good land classes out there? I am registered for SLIG > this coming January and will be in Josh Taylor's class, "Bridging the > 1780-1830 Gap: New England to the Midwest" and am planning on attending the > NGS conference this spring. Are there other options available to gain > some in-depth training pertaining to land records? With that said, could I > use land records, once I feel I am knowledgeable enough, as a specialty > (instead of a region) for my portfolio? > > Thank you so much. I appreciate the knowledge base that is out there to > help. > > Patty McIntyre > Linked2Ancestors > > On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Debbie Hooper <debbiehooper@verizon.net > >wrote: > > > Connie, > > > > Harold and Jay have made very good points. I just wanted to add the > > following. > > > > When/if you specialize in a certain area (state, region, etc.), you will > > become familiar with those records. It will become easier for you to > > determine how much time a project will take and if a project is feasible. > > Just one of the perks of experience. > > > > Hindsight is 20/20, but I think the next time a client approaches you > with > > such vague goals/objectives in such a short period of time, your first > > response to them will probably be to educate them as to what is possible. > > > > Rest assured that you are better off without taking on this project. It > > sounds like they contacted several people at the same time. Some clients > > are not as concerned about the quality of research as others. > > > > Chalk it up to a lesson learned. Good luck in your future endeavors! > > > > Debbie Hooper > > Delmarva Genealogy Associates > > Specializing in Delaware, Maryland, and Virginia > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf > Of > > Rvsailor@aol.com > > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 10:12 AM > > To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [TGF] Before the Contract > > > > Good Morning, All! > > > > I am in the process of working toward certification. I have been > > researching for family and friends for nearly 30 years, always pro bono. > > I > > recently completed the Boston University research course in preparation > to > > expand my research services. > > > > Monday, I was contacted via Internet about a potential research project. > > In the initial contact I was asked about my rates and whether I could > > accomplish the research (a very vague goal of a Christmas gift to her > > father of his potential heritage from Ireland or Scotland) before > > Christmas. I responded with some general information on rates and > > indicated the information I would need to determine an estimate of costs > > and my ability to meet the Christmas deadline. The potential client > > provided "what she knows" Tuesday morning which was basic information to > > her father's grandparents all born in Northern Georgia and I am located > > Florida. I spent some time on the Internet to identify the scope of what > > was readily available and identify whether the Ireland or Scotland > > connection appeared on census or other on-line records. My next step > was > > to send another email explaining that we would need to discuss her > > specific > > goals so I could provide her a proposed quote and contract. I explained > > my > > policy of obtaining a 4 hour research retainer with the contract. Her > > next > > email thanked me for my time and explained that her mother had already > > found another genealogist for the research. I was disappointed but feel > > the > > process was an additional learning experience. > > > > My question. How much time should I have spent on this initial research > > and as professional genealogists, how are these hours recouped > > financially? > > > > As the saying goes, "Time is money." One thing I noted in the BU course > > was that I took more time than the instructors indicated when factoring > in > > time spent for writing reports and pre contract research. I realize the > > more times specific actions are accomplished, the quicker results will > be > > obtained. > > > > Thanks! Connie Bradshaw > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition > to > > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5379 - Release Date: 11/07/12 > > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition > to > > professional level work. 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Connie, Harold and Jay have made very good points. I just wanted to add the following. When/if you specialize in a certain area (state, region, etc.), you will become familiar with those records. It will become easier for you to determine how much time a project will take and if a project is feasible. Just one of the perks of experience. Hindsight is 20/20, but I think the next time a client approaches you with such vague goals/objectives in such a short period of time, your first response to them will probably be to educate them as to what is possible. Rest assured that you are better off without taking on this project. It sounds like they contacted several people at the same time. Some clients are not as concerned about the quality of research as others. Chalk it up to a lesson learned. Good luck in your future endeavors! Debbie Hooper Delmarva Genealogy Associates Specializing in Delaware, Maryland, and Virginia -----Original Message----- From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rvsailor@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 10:12 AM To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: [TGF] Before the Contract Good Morning, All! I am in the process of working toward certification. I have been researching for family and friends for nearly 30 years, always pro bono. I recently completed the Boston University research course in preparation to expand my research services. Monday, I was contacted via Internet about a potential research project. In the initial contact I was asked about my rates and whether I could accomplish the research (a very vague goal of a Christmas gift to her father of his potential heritage from Ireland or Scotland) before Christmas. I responded with some general information on rates and indicated the information I would need to determine an estimate of costs and my ability to meet the Christmas deadline. The potential client provided "what she knows" Tuesday morning which was basic information to her father's grandparents all born in Northern Georgia and I am located Florida. I spent some time on the Internet to identify the scope of what was readily available and identify whether the Ireland or Scotland connection appeared on census or other on-line records. My next step was to send another email explaining that we would need to discuss her specific goals so I could provide her a proposed quote and contract. I explained my policy of obtaining a 4 hour research retainer with the contract. Her next email thanked me for my time and explained that her mother had already found another genealogist for the research. I was disappointed but feel the process was an additional learning experience. My question. How much time should I have spent on this initial research and as professional genealogists, how are these hours recouped financially? As the saying goes, "Time is money." One thing I noted in the BU course was that I took more time than the instructors indicated when factoring in time spent for writing reports and pre contract research. I realize the more times specific actions are accomplished, the quicker results will be obtained. Thanks! Connie Bradshaw The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5379 - Release Date: 11/07/12

Excellent question, Connie. Your experience sounds very familiar. Client goals are often somewhat vague and open-ended. I have no problem with that, but it can be a big problem when the client is thinking about quick turn-around on something that might be a Christmas or birthday gift for someone. I always to a little quick surveillance of the landscape before accepting a job. To me, this is just a cost of doing business. Even if the client (or I) chose not to go forward, I feel this is time well spent. Jay Fonkert -----Original Message----- From: Rvsailor <Rvsailor@aol.com> To: transitional-genealogists-forum <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:24 am Subject: [TGF] Before the Contract Good Morning, All! I am in the process of working toward certification. I have been researching for family and friends for nearly 30 years, always pro bono. I recently completed the Boston University research course in preparation to expand my research services. Monday, I was contacted via Internet about a potential research project. In the initial contact I was asked about my rates and whether I could accomplish the research (a very vague goal of a Christmas gift to her father of his potential heritage from Ireland or Scotland) before Christmas. I responded with some general information on rates and indicated the information I would need to determine an estimate of costs and my ability to meet the Christmas deadline. The potential client provided "what she knows" Tuesday morning which was basic information to her father's grandparents all born in Northern Georgia and I am located Florida. I spent some time on the Internet to identify the scope of what was readily available and identify whether the Ireland or Scotland connection appeared on census or other on-line records. My next step was to send another email explaining that we would need to discuss her specific goals so I could provide her a proposed quote and contract. I explained my policy of obtaining a 4 hour research retainer with the contract. Her next email thanked me for my time and explained that her mother had already found another genealogist for the research. I was disappointed but feel the process was an additional learning experience. My question. How much time should I have spent on this initial research and as professional genealogists, how are these hours recouped financially? As the saying goes, "Time is money." One thing I noted in the BU course was that I took more time than the instructors indicated when factoring in time spent for writing reports and pre contract research. I realize the more times specific actions are accomplished, the quicker results will be obtained. Thanks! Connie Bradshaw The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Michele, You are right on both counts - the book looks complete and it is frustrating! Maybe they did go to a neighboring county or the date and place came from a family bible or another source. Good luck! Patty On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Michele Lewis <ancestoring@gmail.com>wrote: > Well, it is the whole marriage book for that time period. The front cover > is photographed as well as every page in that book. If there was anything > missing, it would have to be an entire book or possibly loose papers that > fell out of the book. The marriage books that have been microfilmed are > > 1. Wilkes County Marriage Book, 1806 - 1834 > 2. Wilkes County Marriage Book, 1832 - 1856 > 3. Wilkes County Marriage Book, 1856 - 1867 > 4. Wilkes County Marriage Book, 1867 - 1871 > 5. Wilkes County Marriage Book, 1871 - 1875 > 6. Wilkes County Marriage Book, 1874 - 1882 > 7. Wilkes County Marriage Book, 1882 - 1902 > 8. Wilkes County Marriage Book, African American, 1875 - 1878 > 9. Wilkes County Marriage Book, African American, 1882 - 1891 > 10. Wilkes County Marriage Book, African American, 1891 - 1905 > 11. Wilkes County Marriage Book, African-American, 1876 - 1882 > > The set looks pretty complete. Each book is hand indexed (by the clerk in > the front of the book) but that is always a bit iffy so if I can't find a > marriage I look through the pages. > > > Michele > > > > From: Patricia McIntyre [mailto:linked2ancestors@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 1:39 PM > To: Michele Lewis > Cc: TGF Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TGF] Frustrating! > > Michele, > > Are you sure all of the records have been digitized for that county and put > online? I know that sometimes they are put up as they become available and > it is not a complete set. > > Patty McIntyre > Linked2Ancestors > On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Michele Lewis <ancestoring@gmail.com> > wrote: > An LDS member submitted a Patron Ordinance Submission sheet in 1986 with > the > marriage of Calvin Lewis to Emily Miles, 11 Nov 1847 in Wilkes County, GA. > Her source for the information is "Marriage Records of Wilks [sic] CO, GA" > I have a copy of the sheet from microfilm. > > Digital images from microfilm of the Wilkes County marriage books are > online > at Georgia's Virtual Vault. Calvin is not listed in the index. I hand > searched through the pages covering 1847 with many pages before and after > just in case but I can't find it. > > On the Patron Ordinance Submission sheet, there are 3 marriages listed. > The > first one is in a different marriage book and I found it with no problem. > The other two would be in the same marriage book and I could find neither. > > What is interesting is Calvin was from Columbia County as was Emily. It is > a bit odd for them to have gone to Wilkes to get married but not impossible > since Wilkes is the next county north. I checked the Columbia County > marriage books (digital images of microfilm) and that was negative too. > > I tried to track down the submitter but I had no luck there. If she is > still living, she doesn't live at the address listed on the sheet. > > So now I have an exact date for a marriage but no good source to go with > it. > > > Michele > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >