Hi all, I am thrilled to be pursuing a line for my first paying client!  I have found digital copies of a pension file index and General Index for Isaac O. Lowe of C Company 31 Indiana Infantry, but fold3, familysearch, and ancestry do not have copies of the actual service file or actual pension.  I also didn't see anything that looked like it might have the service record for him in the SLC library that I could order or get a look-up for.  I'm guessing I need to go to NARA to pull these (I live in the vicinity, so I could arrange this).  Before I attempt this - for some reason tackling NARA is terrifying - I had some questions I hope you all can answer for me/guide me through; I  have needed to educate myself on this for a long time.  And when I actually go to get it, I want to be efficient and a responsible steward of my client's resources. 1 - if there is an index card, does that mean there is a service record to find? or can there sometimes be just index cards without a service record? 2 - how do I tell where that service record is when all I have is the index card?     - the General Index card for his service includes only his rank, name and Co.     - the Pension index includes filing dates for Invalid w/ application and cert #s, and dates, application and cert #s for Widow 3 - what the heck do I do when I get to NARA? My inclination is to go to the first desk I see and beg for mercy. Any guidance and assistance you all can provide is most appreciated!! ~Molly~

The reference is to 1922 edition <http://tinyurl.com/cwwybcp>, pp. 653-657 has the section on Bastardy. Search term: Bastardy* * On 11/22/2012 2:37 AM, Elissa Scalise Powell, CG, CGL wrote: > Dawn, > Which edition, volume or publication year? There seem to be several by that title. > > -- Elissa > > Elissa Scalise Powell, CG, CGL > www.PowellGenealogy.com > www.GRIPitt.org > CG, Certified Genealogist, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are Service Marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic evaluations by the Board and the board name is a trademark registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: On Behalf Of Dawn Carlile >> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 4:15 PM >> >> I don't know of anything giving custody to the mother of an illegitimate child, but the >> courts often required a bastardy bond from the father guaranteeing support of the child. >> There is a book on Google Books called The Encyclopedic Digest of Virginia and West >> Virginia Reports, page 656 that explains it. > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dawn, Which edition, volume or publication year? There seem to be several by that title. -- Elissa Elissa Scalise Powell, CG, CGL www.PowellGenealogy.com www.GRIPitt.org CG, Certified Genealogist, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are Service Marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic evaluations by the Board and the board name is a trademark registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. > -----Original Message----- > From: On Behalf Of Dawn Carlile > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 4:15 PM > > I don't know of anything giving custody to the mother of an illegitimate child, but the > courts often required a bastardy bond from the father guaranteeing support of the child. > There is a book on Google Books called The Encyclopedic Digest of Virginia and West > Virginia Reports, page 656 that explains it.

Patricia, I don't know of anything giving custody to the mother of an illegitimate child, but hte courts often required a bastardy bond from the father guaranteeing support of the child. There is a book on Google Books called The Encyclopedic Digest of Virginia and West Virginia Reports, page 656  that explains it. Dawn Carlile ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Kinzie" <pat.kinzie@gmail.com> To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 11:38:14 AM Subject: [TGF] Illegitimate Births Does anyone know if there were certain court records giving the mother custody in the case of illegitimate births?  I am specifically talking about West Virginia, 1901.  I am searching for the father who isn't listed in any of the census records. Pat The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Typically the law deemed an illegitimate child fatherless (nullius filius). With no father, the child automatically was in its mother's custody. If the alleged father requested that the court grant him custody, there would be court references and paperwork. On 11/21/2012 2:38 PM, Patricia Kinzie wrote: > Does anyone know if there were certain court records giving the mother > custody in the case of illegitimate births? I am specifically talking > about West Virginia, 1901. I am searching for the father who isn't listed > in any of the census records. > Pat > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Does anyone know if there were certain court records giving the mother custody in the case of illegitimate births? I am specifically talking about West Virginia, 1901. I am searching for the father who isn't listed in any of the census records. Pat

Lori, Thank you so much for doing this. I was saving all the emails to make up a list for myself and you have saved me this effort. I can't thank you enough. Eileen _______________________________ Eileen A Souza Eldersburg, MD Old Bones Genealogy LLC info@oldbonesgenealogy.com www.oldbonesgenealogy.com > -----Original Message----- > From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Lori Lyn Price > Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 8:07 PM > To: Transitional Genealogists List > Subject: [TGF] maps in the public domain > > Hello, > > I have been asked to compile all the answers I received and share with the group. > Here they are. Thanks to all who replied! > > websites: > http://www.nationalatlas.gov/printable/reference.html > http://gislounge.com/free-outline-maps/ > http://www.usgs.gov/pubprod/maps.html > http://www.publicdomainsherpa.com/public-domain-maps-resources.html > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Maps > Library of Congress website > > books (available at amazon) > Ready-to-Use Outline Maps of the U.S. States and Regions: 159 Different > Copyright-Free Maps Printed One Side (Dover Clip Art) [Paperback] > > clip art series (dover was mentioned specifically) > > Lori Lyn > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL- > GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It can also be an Americanized version of a foreign such as the Portuguese name Joaquin. My husband's uncle is called Jack. Eileen _______________________________ Eileen A Souza Eldersburg, MD Old Bones Genealogy LLC info@oldbonesgenealogy.com www.oldbonesgenealogy.com > -----Original Message----- > From: apgmembersonlylist-bounces+eileen.souza=gmail.com@apgen.org > [mailto:apgmembersonlylist-bounces+eileen.souza=gmail.com@apgen.org] On > Behalf Of Susan C Fassbender > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 9:48 AM > To: Mail list APG > Subject: [APG Members] Nickname of Jack > > Good Morning, > > I am wondering what names you have found associated with the nickname of > "Jack." I know the obvious one is John, but what other names could potentially be > used with Jack? > > Thanks so much for your ideas and thoughts. > > Susan C Fassbender > Outagamie and Beyond > Historical and Genealogical Research >

Oh, Dee, look at the Philly website that has register of wills, while typing that you need something from the register of MARRIAGES. Sorry for the confusion. Thank you for the replies, some one volunteered to help. best regards, Dee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist" <king@forensicgenealogyservices.com> Anyone in Philadelphia who regularly visits the register of wills and knows how to ask for a "view" request? I need to know the parents of an Anna Smith from a 1915 marriage, but it will take 4 weeks to order a copy of the cert.

Anyone in Philadelphia who regularly visits the register of wills and knows how to ask for a "view" request? I need to know the parents of an Anna Smith from a 1915 marriage, but it will take 4 weeks to order a copy of the cert. best regards, Dee -- Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist (sm), Certificate 903 Contract Genealogist, US Navy Casualty POW/MIA Branch Co-Director, Forensic Genealogy Institute http://www.forensicgenealogists.com/forensic-genealogy-institute.html Mail address - PO Box 1085, Manvel TX 77578 Telephone/fax 281-595-3090 www.forensicgenealogyservices.com/NavyCasualty.html www.facebook.com/forensicgenealogist Certified Genealogist (CG) is a service mark (sm) of the Board for Certification of Genealogists®, conferred to associates who consistently meet ethical and competency standards in accord with peer-reviewed evaluations every five years, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office.

Thanks everyone for the great advice and clearing up this issue. I had thought that I needed to be consistent and keep all my professional genealogy income and expenses in the business account regardless of what type account. I had a feeling it be easier business wise and help me later if I ever have issues with the IRS. I was pretty sure this is what everyone would say, but I did not want a argument with the person either. Amy

I have seen this time frame pretty often. It's common for the Court which appointed appraisers to at the same time stipulate when the appraisal was to be filed, and common for the same time period to be stipulated for the appointed/approved estate administrator or will executor to file an accounting. You would probably find it useful to locate the Court orders of appointment and see what time frame was mentioned. Consider that the personalty at the domicile property might not be all of the decedent's personal property. I have seen wills mentioning specific items that were held by others, and there could be parcels of cultivated land or woodland where other items were stored. There could be items more or less in escrow pursuant to a chattel mortgage. A working horse or team of oxen may be in use by others. Some livestock might be in offsite rented pasture. A wagon, sled or plow could be at the blacksmith's for repair. Where the inventory also included real estate, there could be small parcels here and there that could take appreciable time to sort out by checking deeds and Town records. Where the decedent had appreciable 'book accounts' it could take time to sort out what debts were outstanding, which would be considered assets, and which would be considered not susceptible to collection. If you have not had the opportunity to see such accounts in a day book or other ledger from the middle of the 19th century, a little effort to locate such manuscripts and take a look could be an eye-opener. Good hunting, Judy **************************************************************************** ******** Kassie writes: Joseph Guillaume died in March 1878 in Christian County Illinois, the appraisal of his property according to the date on the documents was done in April 1878 but the appraisal was not filed until March 1879. This seems strange to me.

Hello, I have been asked to compile all the answers I received and share with the group. Here they are. Thanks to all who replied! websites: http://www.nationalatlas.gov/printable/reference.html http://gislounge.com/free-outline-maps/ http://www.usgs.gov/pubprod/maps.html http://www.publicdomainsherpa.com/public-domain-maps-resources.html http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Maps Library of Congress website books (available at amazon) Ready-to-Use Outline Maps of the U.S. States and Regions: 159 Different Copyright-Free Maps Printed One Side (Dover Clip Art) [Paperback] clip art series (dover was mentioned specifically) Lori Lyn

Hi, I found several Good Old Days magazines from the 70's in an antique mall. I had never heard of these magazines. They are loaded with great past stories, pictures, comics, etc. I love the stories especailly the pictures! I thought I would point out that this would be great to check to see if there is a picture or a story of one of your ancestors in there. There were stories with pictures of families from late 1800's-early 1900's. Good Old Days magazine is still running, but I am assuming most of stories in current magazines are from the 40's then on. I think it is worth checking both past issues and current issues out. Hope you find your ancestors in there!

I have found both of these magazines at Goodwill and St. Vincent de Paul. Dawn Carlile -----Original Message----- From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dave Liesse Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 4:35 PM To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TGF] Magazines Sounds like this magazine is similar to Reminisce, also currently in publication. I can say that it's good, too! Dave Liesse Skingco Services, LLC On 11/18/2012 09:20, GlitteringGem@gmail.com wrote: > Hi, > > I found several Good Old Days magazines from the 70's in an antique > mall. I had never heard of these magazines. They are loaded with great > past stories, pictures, comics, etc. I love the stories especailly the pictures! > I thought I would point out that this would be great to check to see > if there is a picture or a story of one of your ancestors in there. > There were stories with pictures of families from late 1800's-early > 1900's. Good Old Days magazine is still running, but I am assuming > most of stories in current magazines are from the 40's then on. I > think it is worth checking both past issues and current issues out. > Hope you find your ancestors in there! > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sounds like this magazine is similar to Reminisce, also currently in publication. I can say that it's good, too! Dave Liesse Skingco Services, LLC On 11/18/2012 09:20, GlitteringGem@gmail.com wrote: > Hi, > > I found several Good Old Days magazines from the 70's in an antique mall. I > had never heard of these magazines. They are loaded with great past > stories, pictures, comics, etc. I love the stories especailly the pictures! > I thought I would point out that this would be great to check to see if > there is a picture or a story of one of your ancestors in there. There were > stories with pictures of families from late 1800's-early 1900's. Good Old > Days magazine is still running, but I am assuming most of stories in > current magazines are from the 40's then on. I think it is worth checking > both past issues and current issues out. Hope you find your ancestors in > there! > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

It's never a good idea to mix business and personal funds. You earned this income via your business, regardless of how the client found you; therefore, the money should be deposited in the business account. If it's too late for that, you should record this as income to the business and then a distribution of capital to yourself (depending, of course, on the how your business is set up: LLC, in which case it depends on which of the following you choose to file your taxes as; sole proprietorship; or S corporation). Taxes are my primary business -- feel free to contact me privately if you want a more detailed response. Dave Liesse, EA Skingco Services, LLC On 11/17/2012 17:59, dunna@roadrunner.com wrote: > I have had a genealogy business for a while. Unlike my other clients who have found my online, my most recent client is different whereas this one had advertised and interviewed prior to contracting. Several people are telling me that since the client did not find me online that I can skip depositing the money into my business account. They think if there are any taxes I can pay them with my business even though I put all the money into personal. I am not sure. > > What I had been doing up until now is depositing money into my business account first and make sure it clears. Afterwards I make sure all expenses are paid and there is enough to pay for taxes (even if there isn't any). Finally I give myself a salary with writing myself a check with my business account. > > Personally I really don't see the difference between obtaining a genealogy client via email or phone who found my business online verse this client. I just want to make sure my taxes are not messes up if I stuff checks into my personal account instead of business especially when the checks say the purpose is genealogy. > > Amy > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

How often did the court hold session? Was it a circuit court? There is a reason they are called "circuit" courts, because back in the 18th and 19th centuries, the courts were presided over by judges who were assigned a series of courts in a series of towns or counties, and they literally rode the circuit among their assigned courts. In the beginnings of the nation, even the justices of the United States Supreme Court rode circuits when the court wasn't meeting, and that is why the Supreme Court had (and has, though the justices no longer serve on circuits) session only part of the year. Karen Packard Rhodes Home in Middleburg, FL, for the holidays On 11/18/2012 11:26 AM, Michael Hait wrote: > How far did they live from the courthouse? > > Was it a harsh winter? > > Sometimes a delay in filing is caused by nothing more than an inability or > inconvenience to physically get to the courthouse to file the documents. > > Michael Hait, CG(sm) >

How far did they live from the courthouse? Was it a harsh winter? Sometimes a delay in filing is caused by nothing more than an inability or inconvenience to physically get to the courthouse to file the documents. Michael Hait, CG(sm) michael.hait@hotmail.com http://www.haitfamilyresearch.com "Planting the Seeds" Blog: http://michaelhait.wordpress.com CG and Certified Genealogist are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic competency evaluation, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office. -----Original Message----- From: Kassie Nelson Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 11:10 AM To: TGF Mailing List Subject: [TGF] Probate record question This is for my own personal research :) I am still working on going through a massive probate record of my great great great great great grandfather that I received over the summer. I am puzzled by how long it took for a formal inventory/appraisal to be filed with the court. My ancestor, Joseph Guillaume died in March 1878 in Christian County Illinois, the appraisal of his property according to the date on the documents was done in April 1878 but the appraisal was not filed until March 1879. This seems strange to me.There were allegations years later that the estate had not been handled properly but this issue is not addressed by those later documents. The only possible explanation I could think of was the problems between his wife Catherine and the executor August Cazalet caused the delay- she had refused to turn over some interest bearing notes to him and was issued a citation by the court in September 1878. There are no papers indicating a reason for the delay or that are dated between that citation and the filling of the appraisal. I've never come across an instance in which it took the executor just shy of a year to file the appraisal. Any ideas? Thanks! Kassie The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am going to presume most genealogy practices are sole proprietorships filing a form 1040 schedule C, in which case, you are what is called a cash basis business. In a cash basis business, the actual income in and the actual expense paid out over the year is declared. The only exception would be deprecation of major items, but in a genealogical service industry these are few. It does not matter if you put your receipts into a personal or business checking or no checking at all; however, best business practice is to have a separate business checking account. Good written business records are a must for any viable business. My experience is as a small business owner and as a retired IRS revenue officer with 32 years experience. Cynthia S. DellaPenna