I can no longer resist the temptation to weigh in on this discussion, but mostly I wanted to share a cool photograph, a jolting recent reminder-to-self about evidence, and find out if anyone knows anything about World War II Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) uniforms: http://trailcreekroots.blogspot.com/2012/11/of-rodney-king-and-aussie-hats_24.html Connie Who often sees connections in subject matter where no one else does...

I went back through and reresearched everything so that I could site my sources properly. Even though this made me mad at timesand it was a bit tedious it was so worth the effort because as I did this not only did I find mistakes but I also I found information that I didn't even know I had. When I looked at everything again I was also able to put together good research calendars to find the info I needed to fill in some gaps. When I was all done I was confident that I now had quality research that I was proud to pass on to others :) Michele -----Original Message----- From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Harold Henderson Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 8:28 AM To: Transitional Genealogists Subject: [TGF] Dealing with our substandard pasts Kim's post provoked me to ask for advice, even though this is a topic I know has been discussed before: how do you deal with the work you did before you knew what you were doing? I have a good-sized tree on line, some of which I'm sure is accurate, and some not so much. I'll never live long enough to fix it even if that was all I ever did. But I have met many interesting potential relatives and research projects by having it on line. I have compromised by leaving it up but by leaving out the (usually very inadequate) citations, so that those who want to know more have to get in touch. But I've never been quite sure whether that is the best approach. Thoughts? Harold -- Harold Henderson midwestroots.net Research, Writing, and Brickwall Dismantling from Northwest Indiana Regularly Researching at the Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center Certified Genealogist (SM) No. 1029 Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of GenealogistsR used by the Board to identify its program of genealogical competency evaluation and used under license by the Board's associates. The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Harold Like you, I have learned so much over the years and we should all cringe at some of our earlier work. If only I could remember where I got every single piece of data back when I started so long ago. I also have trees online. I call them my Possibility Trees or What-If Trees. I use Ancestry to test out some theories because I can quickly pull up the census and other data. They are mostly private, but as you know, it's amazing what leaks from those trees to the public. When I get a request, I will gladly tell people where and how I got the information. I will provide any references and explain that the tree is experimental. There are many ways to look at life and approach it. Let's hope we never stop embracing different ideas and approaches. Trees can be just another tool to work with. Joan On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 8:28 AM, Harold Henderson <librarytraveler@gmail.com > wrote: > Kim's post provoked me to ask for advice, even though this is a topic I > know has been discussed before: how do you deal with the work you did > before you knew what you were doing? > > I have a good-sized tree on line, some of which I'm sure is accurate, and > some not so much. I'll never live long enough to fix it even if that was > all I ever did. But I have met many interesting potential relatives and > research projects by having it on line. > > I have compromised by leaving it up but by leaving out the (usually very > inadequate) citations, so that those who want to know more have to get in > touch. But I've never been quite sure whether that is the best approach. > Thoughts? > > Harold > > -- > Harold Henderson midwestroots.net > Research, Writing, and Brickwall Dismantling from Northwest Indiana > Regularly Researching at the Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center > > Certified Genealogist (SM) No. 1029 > Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks > of the Board for Certification of Genealogists® used by the > Board to identify its program of genealogical competency evaluation > and used under license by the Board’s associates. > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- *Joan Peake* *Peake to the Past* 11 Mountain Vista Dr. Morgantown, WV 26508 Phone: 304.685.9433 email: look4kin@gmail.com “A lifetime’s study will not make accessible to us more than a fragment of our own ancestral past, let alone the aeons before our race was formed, but that fragment we must thoroughly possess and hand on.” Possession by A.S. Byatt

Kim - BRAVO ....... BRILLIANT ... I totally agree. -----Original Message----- From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kim Ostermyer Sent: 24 November 2012 5:49 AM To: Transitional Genealogists forum Subject: [TGF] Bad Karma, newcomers I have a confession to make-- I used to be one of those genealogists mentioned. I was a genealogy greenhorn at one point and it was a lot of fun. I had adrenaline rushes when I was doing my drive-by genealogy. I enjoyed the casual aspect of the hunt. I've matured a lot in my ten years of researching--what I am capable now is a wholly different level than what I did even five years ago. I've become more technical and more deliberate in my research, and certainly more analytical. I don't have credentials but I am fully aware that I am not a hobbyist, amateur or hack. In the view of some, no credentials would seem that my abilities are mediocre at best, which is a slippery slope to be on. Drawing a line in the proverbial sand and casting out potential clients, colleagues and fellow seekers because of their inexperience is unkind and counter-intuitive to say the least. I think it's important to have standards to aim for, but not to such a degree as to dissuade the curious. I have always had a concern over the undertow of the elitism that I was exposed to early on. For someone new to the field, it certainly would seem a bit daunting and disconcerting. While I understand the desire to have a field full of academic types with credentials and licensing, I feel it is unrealistic to expect this of lay genealogists. I wonder if the advocates for these standards quantify their everyday conversations with sources. I don't mean to imply citing sources while chit-chatting, but having a realistic expectation that a conversation is based on what could be considered facts and not the further repeating of the opinions of someone else. I'm not on the restricting lay genealogists from joining the party, nor will I join up. Even as I am aiming for certification myself, I know that such a level of scholarship is atypical. If we assume that Malcolm Gladwell's theory that it takes 10,000 hours to master something, then most lay genealogists will never reach that point. This is what Bill Gates has to say on the matter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsGihiSE6sM. I know that I am beyond the drive-by genealogy because when I tell people what I am researching, I have to break it down into simpler terms. Just a few thoughts. Cheers, Kim Ostermyer, futurecertified genealogist The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Kim's post provoked me to ask for advice, even though this is a topic I know has been discussed before: how do you deal with the work you did before you knew what you were doing? I have a good-sized tree on line, some of which I'm sure is accurate, and some not so much. I'll never live long enough to fix it even if that was all I ever did. But I have met many interesting potential relatives and research projects by having it on line. I have compromised by leaving it up but by leaving out the (usually very inadequate) citations, so that those who want to know more have to get in touch. But I've never been quite sure whether that is the best approach. Thoughts? Harold -- Harold Henderson midwestroots.net Research, Writing, and Brickwall Dismantling from Northwest Indiana Regularly Researching at the Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center Certified Genealogist (SM) No. 1029 Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists® used by the Board to identify its program of genealogical competency evaluation and used under license by the Board’s associates.

Kim -- Thanks. Your path sounds a lot like mine. (It really was fun being a name collector!) But I never had much of a feeling of being put out of any club that I wanted to be a member of. If and when I received criticism I tried to make use of it . . . when I understood it at all. These days, the judgments I see made are not exclusionist -- they're made not because people are not certified or accredited, but because they just aren't doing good work. The article that started all this discussion named no names, but did name some basic standards, and left it up to the readers to decide where they fit in. Nothing elitist about that in my book. (Plus, anyone who is certified or accredited knows good and well that it does not in itself prevent them from making mistakes or having bad judgment.) More at http://midwesternmicrohistory.blogspot.com/2012/11/misteaks.html. Harold On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 11:49 PM, Kim Ostermyer <kim_ostermyer@yahoo.com>wrote: > I have a confession to make-- > > I used to be one of those genealogists mentioned. I was a genealogy > greenhorn at one point and it was a lot of fun. I had adrenaline rushes > when I was doing my drive-by genealogy. I enjoyed the casual aspect of the > hunt. I've matured a lot in my ten years of researching--what I am capable > now is a wholly different level than what I did even five years ago. I've > become more technical and more deliberate in my research, and certainly > more analytical. > > I don't have credentials but I am fully aware that I am not a hobbyist, > amateur or hack. In the view of some, no credentials would seem that my > abilities are mediocre at best, which is a slippery slope to be on. Drawing > a line in the proverbial sand and casting out potential clients, colleagues > and fellow seekers because of their inexperience is unkind and > counter-intuitive to say the least. I think it's important to have > standards to aim for, but not to such a degree as to dissuade the curious. > > > I have always had a concern over the undertow of the elitism that I was > exposed to early on. For someone new to the field, it certainly would seem > a bit daunting and disconcerting. While I understand the desire to have a > field full of academic types with credentials and licensing, I feel it is > unrealistic to expect this of lay genealogists. I wonder if the advocates > for these standards quantify their everyday conversations with sources. I > don't mean to imply citing sources while chit-chatting, but having a > realistic expectation that a conversation is based on what could be > considered facts and not the further repeating of the opinions of someone > else. > > > I'm not on the restricting lay genealogists from joining the party, nor > will I join up. Even as I am aiming for certification myself, I know that > such a level of scholarship is atypical. If we assume that Malcolm > Gladwell's theory that it takes 10,000 hours to master something, then most > lay genealogists will never reach that point. This is what Bill Gates has > to say on the matter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsGihiSE6sM. I know > that I am beyond the drive-by genealogy because when I tell people what I > am researching, I have to break it down into simpler terms. > > > Just a few thoughts. > > Cheers, > Kim Ostermyer, futurecertified genealogist > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Harold Henderson midwestroots.net Research, Writing, and Brickwall Dismantling from Northwest Indiana Regularly Researching at the Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center Certified Genealogist (SM) No. 1029 Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists® used by the Board to identify its program of genealogical competency evaluation and used under license by the Board’s associates.

I've left it there, untouched. The pages are dated, so it's a "snapshot in time" as to where I was then, both in terms of my research (I didn't know to write research reports for myself and kept poor research logs) and my skills. More than a decade later, it is still probably better documented than most online trees for the families involved. I was taught very early to "cite my sources," so while it will win no EE-style awards, much of it can be replicated if someone chooses to do so. I do need to add a warning about accuracy, but beyond that I see no need to worry unless I spot an egregious error in identity or relationship. I'm more concerned with how I will preserve or publish going forward. Sad to say, I've struggled with this for a long time and have found no suitable solution for more than a few portions of my life's work. Connie --- On Sat, 11/24/12, Harold Henderson <librarytraveler@gmail.com> wrote: > Kim's post provoked me to ask for > advice, even though this is a topic I > know has been discussed before: how do you deal with the > work you did > before you knew what you were doing? > > I have a good-sized tree on line, some of which I'm sure is > accurate, and > some not so much. I'll never live long enough to fix it even > if that was > all I ever did. But I have met many interesting potential > relatives and > research projects by having it on line. > > I have compromised by leaving it up but by leaving out the > (usually very > inadequate) citations, so that those who want to know more > have to get in > touch. But I've never been quite sure whether that is the > best approach. > Thoughts? > > Harold >

I have a confession to make-- I used to be one of those genealogists mentioned. I was a genealogy greenhorn at one point and it was a lot of fun. I had adrenaline rushes when I was doing my drive-by genealogy. I enjoyed the casual aspect of the hunt. I've matured a lot in my ten years of researching--what I am capable now is a wholly different level than what I did even five years ago. I've become more technical and more deliberate in my research, and certainly more analytical. I don't have credentials but I am fully aware that I am not a hobbyist, amateur or hack. In the view of some, no credentials would seem that my abilities are mediocre at best, which is a slippery slope to be on. Drawing a line in the proverbial sand and casting out potential clients, colleagues and fellow seekers because of their inexperience is unkind and counter-intuitive to say the least. I think it's important to have standards to aim for, but not to such a degree as to dissuade the curious. I have always had a concern over the undertow of the elitism that I was exposed to early on. For someone new to the field, it certainly would seem a bit daunting and disconcerting. While I understand the desire to have a field full of academic types with credentials and licensing, I feel it is unrealistic to expect this of lay genealogists. I wonder if the advocates for these standards quantify their everyday conversations with sources. I don't mean to imply citing sources while chit-chatting, but having a realistic expectation that a conversation is based on what could be considered facts and not the further repeating of the opinions of someone else. I'm not on the restricting lay genealogists from joining the party, nor will I join up. Even as I am aiming for certification myself, I know that such a level of scholarship is atypical. If we assume that Malcolm Gladwell's theory that it takes 10,000 hours to master something, then most lay genealogists will never reach that point. This is what Bill Gates has to say on the matter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsGihiSE6sM. I know that I am beyond the drive-by genealogy because when I tell people what I am researching, I have to break it down into simpler terms. Just a few thoughts. Cheers, Kim Ostermyer, futurecertified genealogist

>there's a different type of perceived elitism between traditional genealogists and the professional software people. I do hope the perception is not too grounded in reality because synergy between those disciplines is the way of the future. It is not productive for software people to criticise genealogists for their lack of understanding about issues with storage, data modelling, globalisation, standards, etc. Nor is it productive for genealogists to criticise software people for their lack of knowledge about research methodology or real-life scenarios. In reality there are many people who have a foot in both camps. Tony, your observation made me smile. In 1988, the late, great, and beloved Dick Pence--one of the pioneers of "computer genealogy"--wrote an article he titled "Them vs. Us." The thrust of it was this same "perceived elitism." The "elite," he pointed out, expected software designers to {shudder, please} provide documentation on family group sheets. They did not understand the issues that software engineers dealt with but they felt superior because they cited their sources. In all his years of publishing his genealogical findings, he swore, no one had ever asked him for the source of anything he wrote; but, if they were to do it, he could go to a drawer and retrieve it. &c &c &c. Dick had the courage to write his views and they led to useful dialogue. Actually, we should say that the pair of "elite" genealogists to whom he was reacting--Dave Greene at TAG and the late Marsha Rising--also displayed courage in expressing *their* views in the NGS conference panel that upset Dick. The years since then have shown the value that can come from that open dialogue, when genealogists from different background and experiences help each other understand the other point of view and work together toward solutions that bridge their perceived "divide." Those years, in fact, have seen phenomenal advancement in the capability of genealogical software. They have seen wonderful advancements in the *mindset* of genealogists who now realize that identifying their sources isn't some mechanical act they have to do because somebody says so--but, rather, a powerful tool to help them analyze their findings and solve their research problems. No, the differences of opinion over software capability vs. meticulous research practices haven't gone away. The differences of opinion over what constitutes reliable research haven't gone away. Nor opinions as to whether everyone even needs to employ the standards that help to guarantee reliable research. Nor opinions as to how long a "grace period" beginners need before they make the effort to "learn what they are doing." We've made great progress, but education is a process that's never done. There's always a new influx--and for that we can be grateful. Tony has pointed to the most productive future, IMO: >"Criticising individuals is not the way to solve that situation though. ... For instance, many Web sites and books try to educate, but most people who are just starting will be unaware of them. ... The information on the Internet is there but there's probably too much of it, and its uncoordinated and opinionated content would give most newbies "information overload". The industry should be able to help solve these issues but we're very fragmented - especially across the globe. We are all part of that *industry,* even those of us who have been "perceived" as "elitists." Perceptions are hard to break, on both sides. But, as in politics, so long as we rally behind the "them vs. us" mindset, we accomplish little. When we (as Dick went on to do) make the effort to understand where others are coming from, this field moves forward. (Just my 2 cents worth--or should I say: 2 pences' worth? :) Elizabeth --------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG www.HistoricPathways.com www.EvidenceExplained.com www.Facebook.com/EvidenceExplained

Nurses are known for devouring new grads. I guess it is like this across all professions. Michele (30 year registered nurse) -----Original Message----- From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Karen Rhodes Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 6:47 PM To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TGF] Was Bad Karma, Now Treatment of Newcomers Better education for newcomers is one area in which local genealogical societies have an opportunity to shine, if they choose to take advantage of it. A local society is often a point of first contact for those new to genealogy, and the example set by the society as a whole, through its educational policies and policies on good practice, and by individual members, has a key role to play. As for how newcomers might be criticized and are criticized by some in the field, they should just be glad they are not in academia. Some of the catfights in academia could curl your hair! Karen Packard Rhodes Middleburg, Clay County, Florida On 11/23/2012 3:21 PM, Bonnie Kohler wrote: > Thomas McEntee wrote: > > [snipped] >> I do think there are issues as to how we as a community of >> genealogists welcomes newcomers. > One of the issues is criticism of beginning genealogists' work, as > when they post a family tree containing erroneous information. Better > education of beginners could curtail the criticism. > > Genealogy information providers, like Ancestry.com and > FamilySearch.org, should place a statement at the beginning of their > education pages to the effect that proof is a fundamental concept in > family (genealogical) research. In order not to alienate potential > researchers (customers, in the case of Ancestry), the providers could > follow the statement by saying many of the sources of proof are available at their website. > > Bonnie Dunphy Kohler > South Florida > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Susan: It depends on religious background and foreign language background. If the family is from the British Isles, the most likely answer is John -> Jock (Scottish) -> Jack. If the family is Spanish or Portuguese, Joaquin/m -> Jack. Joaquin/m is the same name as Joachim/Joakim. If the family is Germanic, Biblical King Jehoiachin -> Joachim -> Jack. I have a young man who immigrated to Nebraska in the 1800s from Schweswig-Holstein. He changed from Joachim to Jack. Since his brother Johan changed to John in the US, there is potential for confusion by their descendants. Throughout medieval Europe, Joachim was a saint's name applied to the father of Mary, the mother of Jesus. Thus the name Joachim exists in many forms in European languages. However, when the immigrants came to the US, they found that the name was largely unknown. The Protestants rejected the Old Testament Apocrypha, and Joachim/Joakim was a character in one of the books of the Apocrypha. To make life easier an immigrant would often adopt a name beginning with the same or similar sound(s). If the name began with an "H" or a vowel, a name beginning with any vowel would do. Someone of French origin might change from Jacques -> Jack, because of the similar sounds, even though etymologically Jacob or James in English is the same as Jacques. English seems to be the only language which splits the Old Testament Jacob into the New Testament James. Other languages use the same word for both. In my lecture on given names and nicknames and in a separate lecture called "Bible Names---(Almost) Unrecognizable in America," there is a section called "Who Were Jack, Jake, and Jim?" -------------------------------- Eileen Souza <eileen.souza@gmail.com> wrote: It can also be an Americanized version of a foreign such as the Portuguese name Joaquin. My husband's uncle is called Jack. -------------------------------- On Behalf Of Susan C Fassbender Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 9:48 AM Subject: [APG Members] Nickname of Jack I am wondering what names you have found associated with the nickname of "Jack." I know the obvious one is John, but what other names could potentially be used with Jack? ...

Better education for newcomers is one area in which local genealogical societies have an opportunity to shine, if they choose to take advantage of it. A local society is often a point of first contact for those new to genealogy, and the example set by the society as a whole, through its educational policies and policies on good practice, and by individual members, has a key role to play. As for how newcomers might be criticized and are criticized by some in the field, they should just be glad they are not in academia. Some of the catfights in academia could curl your hair! Karen Packard Rhodes Middleburg, Clay County, Florida On 11/23/2012 3:21 PM, Bonnie Kohler wrote: > Thomas McEntee wrote: > > [snipped] >> I do think there are issues as to how we as a community of genealogists >> welcomes newcomers. > One of the issues is criticism of beginning genealogists' work, as when they > post a family tree containing erroneous information. Better education of > beginners could curtail the criticism. > > Genealogy information providers, like Ancestry.com and FamilySearch.org, > should place a statement at the beginning of their education pages to the > effect that proof is a fundamental concept in family (genealogical) > research. In order not to alienate potential researchers (customers, in the > case of Ancestry), the providers could follow the statement by saying many > of the sources of proof are available at their website. > > Bonnie Dunphy Kohler > South Florida >

And thanks to some really sharp heads up genealogy researching by Penny Worley I have now determined that the minister at the Presbyterian Church in La Porte City Iowa in 1896 was the Reverend S. Edwin Koons. Once again, thanks to all. You helped me fix this in about an hour and a half and I have been working on this for a couple of weeks! Robert

Honey, You are correct.. I missed that on my edit. Thanks to all for the sharp eyes! On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Honey Ryan <hryansavh@aol.com> wrote: > I agree with those who said 10 o'clock. The second digit is more curved > than the first. > > Honey Ryan > > -----Original Message----- > From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Robert M. Ankenbauer Jr. > Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 5:02 PM > To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [TGF] Help with 1896 obituary >

I agree with those who said 10 o'clock. The second digit is more curved than the first. Honey Ryan -----Original Message----- From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Robert M. Ankenbauer Jr. Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 5:02 PM To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TGF] Help with 1896 obituary Thanks to everyone who responded. Based on information I found in a later memorial helps me to say that the time frame was "a year ago" I also got "paralytic" from a few of you and from the other memorial. You have all helped me put it together except for the name of the Reverend! Here is what came together of everyone's hard work. It may need a minor tweak, but I think it's pretty solid. I have emailed out to Iowa to try and find the Reverend's name. I couldn't find anything on the internet to fill in the blank. James Carlisle Dead On last Sunday at 11 o'clock the the spirit of James Carlisle and old resident of this city, winged its flight to the great unknown Carlisle had been suffering for some time past the result of a paralytic stroke about a year ago from the effects of which he finally succumbed. He leaves a wife and three married children to mourn the loss. The funeral service was held at the home conducted by the Rev ... of the Presbyterian Church, after which the remains were laid to rest in the Westview Cemetery. On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Robert M. Ankenbauer Jr. < robert@yesterdaysmysteries.com> wrote: > Good Afternoon all. I have been trying to decipher a very difficult to > read obituary from 1896. I have a link to my dropbox folder to 3 > different picture versions of the obit (jpg, png and tif) as well as > the PDF from newspaperarcive.com > > Obituary files <https://www.dropbox.com/sh/dgq5qxa4h0mu7o9/F4TKE1Np4z> > > Here is what I have so far: > > James Carlisle Dead > > On last Sunday at 11 o'clock the > .... and old.. > ... had > been ... > ... > ... > ... > ... which is > finally ... He leaves a wife > and three...children to mourn > the loss. The funeral service was > held at the home conducted by the > Rev ... of the Presbyterian > Church, after which the... was > laid to rest in the Westview Cemetery. > > Thanks for your help in advance. (This has been driving me crazy for > some time, so your help in restoring my insanity is appreciated) > > -- > Sincerely, > > Robert M Ankenbauer Jr > -- Sincerely, Robert M Ankenbauer Jr -Genealogist- <http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=genealogist> Yesterday's Mysteries PO Box 51 Nutting Lake MA 01865 Visit My Blog <http://yesterdaysmysteries.blogspot.com/> <http://www.facebook.com/pages/Yesterdays-Mysteries-Genealogy/19466604387815 3?ref=ts&v=wall> Visit us on Facebook! Memberships: Massachusetts Society of Genealogists <http://www.massog.org/> New England Historic Genealogical Society <http://www.americanancestors.org/home.html> New England Chapter- APG<http://www.neapg.org/index.php?option=com_comprofiler&tab=23&Itemid=64> <http://www.apgen.org/directory/search_detail.html?mbr_id=4971> The Irish Ancestral Research Association <http://tiara.ie> Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War <http://www.suvcw.org/> Ohio Genealogical Society <http://www.ogs.org/> Indiana Genealogical Society <http://www.indgensoc.org/> www.yesterdaysmysteries.com robert@yesterdaysmysteries.com Phone: (978) 600-8103 Fax: (815) 550-1229 Skype: robert_ankenbauer Google Chat: Same as email Yesterday's Mysteries; Where your past comes to life! P Go Green: Please do not print this e-mail unless you really need to. The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thomas Macentee said, in part, "... This isn't about bad karma. This is about having an opinion and voicing it." I am a bit late to this discussion, but I think you have nailed it Thomas.  Just before enjoying our Thanksgiving dinner yesterday, one of the things my family gave thanks for is that we live in a country where we can express divergent views without repercussion.  This thread is a live example of how fortunate we are to be able to share disparate views in a lively yet civilized and constructive discussion.    Sherry Chapman  1stopgenealogy.net

Thanks to everyone who responded. Based on information I found in a later memorial helps me to say that the time frame was "a year ago" I also got "paralytic" from a few of you and from the other memorial. You have all helped me put it together except for the name of the Reverend! Here is what came together of everyone's hard work. It may need a minor tweak, but I think it's pretty solid. I have emailed out to Iowa to try and find the Reverend's name. I couldn't find anything on the internet to fill in the blank. James Carlisle Dead On last Sunday at 11 o'clock the the spirit of James Carlisle and old resident of this city, winged its flight to the great unknown Carlisle had been suffering for some time past the result of a paralytic stroke about a year ago from the effects of which he finally succumbed. He leaves a wife and three married children to mourn the loss. The funeral service was held at the home conducted by the Rev ... of the Presbyterian Church, after which the remains were laid to rest in the Westview Cemetery. On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Robert M. Ankenbauer Jr. < robert@yesterdaysmysteries.com> wrote: > Good Afternoon all. I have been trying to decipher a very difficult to > read obituary from 1896. I have a link to my dropbox folder to 3 different > picture versions of the obit (jpg, png and tif) as well as the PDF from > newspaperarcive.com > > Obituary files <https://www.dropbox.com/sh/dgq5qxa4h0mu7o9/F4TKE1Np4z> > > Here is what I have so far: > > James Carlisle Dead > > On last Sunday at 11 o'clock the > .... and old.. > ... had > been ... > ... > ... > ... > ... which is > finally ... He leaves a wife > and three...children to mourn > the loss. The funeral service was > held at the home conducted by the > Rev ... of the Presbyterian > Church, after which the... was > laid to rest in the Westview Cemetery. > > Thanks for your help in advance. (This has been driving me crazy for some > time, so your help in restoring my insanity is appreciated) > > -- > Sincerely, > > Robert M Ankenbauer Jr > -- Sincerely, Robert M Ankenbauer Jr -Genealogist- <http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=genealogist> Yesterday's Mysteries PO Box 51 Nutting Lake MA 01865 Visit My Blog <http://yesterdaysmysteries.blogspot.com/> <http://www.facebook.com/pages/Yesterdays-Mysteries-Genealogy/194666043878153?ref=ts&v=wall> Visit us on Facebook! Memberships: Massachusetts Society of Genealogists <http://www.massog.org/> New England Historic Genealogical Society <http://www.americanancestors.org/home.html> New England Chapter- APG<http://www.neapg.org/index.php?option=com_comprofiler&tab=23&Itemid=64> <http://www.apgen.org/directory/search_detail.html?mbr_id=4971> The Irish Ancestral Research Association <http://tiara.ie> Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War <http://www.suvcw.org/> Ohio Genealogical Society <http://www.ogs.org/> Indiana Genealogical Society <http://www.indgensoc.org/> www.yesterdaysmysteries.com robert@yesterdaysmysteries.com Phone: (978) 600-8103 Fax: (815) 550-1229 Skype: robert_ankenbauer Google Chat: Same as email Yesterday's Mysteries; Where your past comes to life! P Go Green: Please do not print this e-mail unless you really need to.

> James Carlisle Dead > > On last Sunday at 10 o'clock, the spirit of James Carlisle an old resident of this city, winged its flight to the ___ unknown. (Could be 'great' unknown) > > "____ Carlisle had been suffering for some time past as the result of a _____ stroke a ___ ago from the effects of which he finally succumbed". -- > ( could be ' Mr.' Carlisle) -- > ( could be 'possible' stroke or 'paralyzing' stroke) -- > ( could be 'month' or 'week' or 'year' ago. Looks like 'week' or 'year' would fit the space better.)( looks like 'year' matches the visible part of the letters best.) > > He leaves a wife > and three married children to mourn > his loss. The funeral service was > held at the home conducted by the > Rev ... of the Presbyterian > Church, after which the remains were > laid to rest in the Westview Cemetery. On Nov 23, 2012, at 1:36 PM, "Robert M. Ankenbauer Jr." <robert@yesterdaysmysteries.com> wrote: > Good Afternoon all. I have been trying to decipher a very difficult to read > obituary from 1896. I have a link to my dropbox folder to 3 different > picture versions of the obit (jpg, png and tif) as well as the PDF from > newspaperarcive.com > > Obituary files <https://www.dropbox.com/sh/dgq5qxa4h0mu7o9/F4TKE1Np4z> > > Here is what I have so far: > > James Carlisle Dead > > On last Sunday at 11 o'clock the > .... and old.. > ... had > been ... > ... > ... > ... > ... which is > finally ... He leaves a wife > and three...children to mourn > the loss. The funeral service was > held at the home conducted by the > Rev ... of the Presbyterian > Church, after which the... was > laid to rest in the Westview Cemetery. > > Thanks for your help in advance. (This has been driving me crazy for some > time, so your help in restoring my insanity is appreciated) > > -- > Sincerely, > > Robert M Ankenbauer Jr > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> James Carlisle Dead > > On last Sunday at 10 o'clock, the spirit of James Carlisle an old resident of this city, winged its flight to the ___ unknown. (Could be 'great' unknown) > > "____ Carlisle had been suffering for some time past as the result of a _____ stroke a ___ ago from the effects of which he finally succumbed". -- > ( could be ' Mr.' Carlisle) -- > ( could be 'possible' stroke or 'paralyzing' stroke) -- > ( could be 'month' or 'week' or 'year' ago. Looks like 'week' or 'year' would fit the space better.)( looks like 'year' matches the visible part of the letters best.) > > He leaves a wife > and three married children to mourn > his loss. The funeral service was > held at the home conducted by the > Rev ... of the Presbyterian > Church, after which the remains were > laid to rest in the Westview Cemetery.

I can fill in a few of the blanks. On last Sunday at 11 o'clock the . . . and old resident of . . . He leaves a wife and three small to mourn the loss. The funeral service . . . after which the remains were laid to rest in Westview cemetery. Is this in Atlanta? Janet Tanksley jjtgenealogy@gmail.com On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Robert M. Ankenbauer Jr. < robert@yesterdaysmysteries.com> wrote: > Good Afternoon all. I have been trying to decipher a very difficult to read > obituary from 1896. I have a link to my dropbox folder to 3 different > picture versions of the obit (jpg, png and tif) as well as the PDF from > newspaperarcive.com > > Obituary files <https://www.dropbox.com/sh/dgq5qxa4h0mu7o9/F4TKE1Np4z> > > Here is what I have so far: > > James Carlisle Dead > > On last Sunday at 11 o'clock the > .... and old.. > ... had > been ... > ... > ... > ... > ... which is > finally ... He leaves a wife > and three...children to mourn > the loss. The funeral service was > held at the home conducted by the > Rev ... of the Presbyterian > Church, after which the... was > laid to rest in the Westview Cemetery. > > Thanks for your help in advance. (This has been driving me crazy for some > time, so your help in restoring my insanity is appreciated) > > -- > Sincerely, > > Robert M Ankenbauer Jr > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Janet Tanksley jjtanksley@gmail.com