I have this one and I like it very much. Michele Alicia An excellent book on the subject is by E. Wade Hone, Land and Property Research in the United States. Mary

ALicia, Like Harold, I saw the swimming pool, but I was pushed in before I had a chance to jump. In addition to all the excellent resources already listed, in my deed presentation handout I include the following online resources (i.e. - free) in my handout: ACPL Genealogy Center, “Digging into Deed Records - Part 1” Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center blog, posted 1 Jun 2011 ( http://genealogycenter.org/Community/Blog.aspx : accessed 15 Jun 2011). Link: http://genealogycenter.org/Community/Blog/11-06-01/Digging_into_Deed_Records_-_Part_1.aspx ACPL Genealogy Center, “Digging into Deed Records - Part 2” Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center blog, posted 2 Jun 2011 ( http://genealogycenter.org/Community/Blog.aspx : accessed 15 Jun 2011). Link: http://genealogycenter.org/Community/Blog/11-06-02/Digging_into_Deed_Records_-_Part_2.aspx Bankhead, Susan Farrell, CG, “Looking at a Deed,” Susans Genealogy Blog, posted 26 Aug 2011 (http://www.susansgenealogyblog.com : accessed 30 Sep 2011) Link: http://www.susansgenealogyblog.com/2011/08/26/looking-at-a-deed/ Bankhead, Susan Farrell, CG, “Digging in a Deed: Clues to Break Through Your Brickwall,” Susans Genealogy Blog, posted 27 Aug 2011 ( http://www.susansgenealogyblog.com : accessed 30 Sep 2011). http://www.susansgenealogyblog.com/2011/08/27/digging-in-a-deed-clues-to-break-through-your-brickwall/ Henderson, Harold ,“Genealogy and Property Records.,” Learning From the Experts, Archives.com, posted 23 Sep 2011 (http://archives.com: accessed 16 Sep 2011). Link: http://www.archives.com/experts/henderson-harold/property-records.html King, Roberta, “Sections, Ranges and Townships,” FamilySearch Learning Center, video, posted 27 Apr 2010; ( https://familysearch.org/learningcenter/home.html: accessed 30 Sep 2011). Direct Link: https://familysearch.org/learningcenter/lesson/sections-ranges-and-townships/110 There's probably a number of others I'm missing or have been posted since I last updated the handout, but all of the above are excellent. Chris On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Alicia Watt <adwagain@hotmail.com> wrote: > Thanks Carl and Harold! I certainly love FREE help, and I'm glad to know > I'm not the only one who finds these records a little daunting!! I love a > challenge, though, so I'm jumping in with both feet!Alicia

I'm weird - I nearly started my genealogy with land records. I think they were third after census and vital. Mainly because they were readily accessible - I still have relatives in locations near over 200 years of ancestors. However, big city records - specifically Detroit and Chicago - intimidate me. In both locations it is because they don't use grantee/grantor indices as the entry point. Lake County, Illinois is similar (at least for recent records). Instead they use a variant of the property description/property identification number to index records. The intimidating part - if I knew the description I wouldn't be looking!!! (At least some of the time.) It would be great to have a list of locales that don't use grantee/grantor - and then have a pile of folks attack making detailed instructions for digging in anyway. -------------------- Sarah A. V. Kirby sarah@vandeventer.net (primary) kirby-s@sbcglobal.net (alternate) LinkedIn - http://www.linkedin.com/in/sarahavkirby

Just found it used on Amazon - cheap!! I may "splurge". Thanks!! > From: ancestoring@gmail.com > To: mgmoyer@juno.com; librarytraveler@gmail.com > CC: adwagain@hotmail.com; transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [TGF] Using Land Records > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 19:28:54 -0500 > > I have this one and I like it very much. > > Michele > > > > Alicia > > An excellent book on the subject is by E. Wade Hone, Land and Property > Research in the United States. > > Mary > >

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!! Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 19:19:14 -0500 Subject: Re: [TGF] Using Land Records From: chris@staatsofohio.com To: adwagain@hotmail.com CC: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com ALicia, Like Harold, I saw the swimming pool, but I was pushed in before I had a chance to jump. In addition to all the excellent resources already listed, in my deed presentation handout I include the following online resources (i.e. - free) in my handout: ACPL Genealogy Center, “Digging into Deed Records - Part 1” Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center blog, posted 1 Jun 2011 (http://genealogycenter.org/Community/Blog.aspx : accessed 15 Jun 2011). Link: http://genealogycenter.org/Community/Blog/11-06-01/Digging_into_Deed_Records_-_Part_1.aspx ACPL Genealogy Center, “Digging into Deed Records - Part 2” Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center blog, posted 2 Jun 2011 (http://genealogycenter.org/Community/Blog.aspx : accessed 15 Jun 2011). Link: http://genealogycenter.org/Community/Blog/11-06-02/Digging_into_Deed_Records_-_Part_2.aspx Bankhead, Susan Farrell, CG, “Looking at a Deed,” Susans Genealogy Blog, posted 26 Aug 2011 (http://www.susansgenealogyblog.com : accessed 30 Sep 2011) Link: http://www.susansgenealogyblog.com/2011/08/26/looking-at-a-deed/ Bankhead, Susan Farrell, CG, “Digging in a Deed: Clues to Break Through Your Brickwall,” Susans Genealogy Blog, posted 27 Aug 2011 (http://www.susansgenealogyblog.com : accessed 30 Sep 2011). http://www.susansgenealogyblog.com/2011/08/27/digging-in-a-deed-clues-to-break-through-your-brickwall/ Henderson, Harold ,“Genealogy and Property Records.,” Learning From the Experts, Archives.com, posted 23 Sep 2011 (http://archives.com: accessed 16 Sep 2011). Link: http://www.archives.com/experts/henderson-harold/property-records.html King, Roberta, “Sections, Ranges and Townships,” FamilySearch Learning Center, video, posted 27 Apr 2010; (https://familysearch.org/learningcenter/home.html: accessed 30 Sep 2011). Direct Link: https://familysearch.org/learningcenter/lesson/sections-ranges-and-townships/110 There's probably a number of others I'm missing or have been posted since I last updated the handout, but all of the above are excellent. Chris On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Alicia Watt <adwagain@hotmail.com> wrote: Thanks Carl and Harold! I certainly love FREE help, and I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who finds these records a little daunting!! I love a challenge, though, so I'm jumping in with both feet!Alicia

Alicia, I agree with all the recommendations received so far. There is another great, free resource- the Research Courses at www.familysearch.org<http://www.familysearch.org/>. There are currently 8 free recorded video classes you can watch- free! Here is the direct link to the ones that deal with land records, https://familysearch.org/learningcenter/results.html?fq=subjects%3A%22Court%2C%20land%2C%20and%20wills%2FLand%20and%20property%2F%22<https://familysearch.org/learningcenter/results.html?fq=subjects%3A%22Court%2C%20land%2C%20and%20wills%2FLand%20and%20property%2F%22> Good luck! Monique

Alicia -- I know what you mean. For me it was like diving into an unheated swimming pool -- I stood around a long time before being persuaded! Three book possibilities, all good, in my order of personal preference: * Chapter 10 of _The Source_, "Land Records" by Sandra Hargreaves Luebking. If you have access to Ancestry, the book is on line there. * Christine Rose, _Courthouse Research for Family Historians_ is very approachable. * Val Greenwood's _Researcher's Guide to American Genealogy_ has two chapters on land. Since this book has many other good things in it, I would rate it higher, but its chapter on local land records starts out with pages and pages of definitions -- not my idea of an enticing introduction to anything! If you're handy to Indiana in April, I will be giving an introductory talk at the state genealogy society meeting in Bloomington about the goodies to be found in land records and an introduction to using them. Chris Staats of Ohio had a nice article on the same subject in a recent issue of _Family Tree_ magazine as well. Many bloggers touch on them (including me at http://midwesternmicrohistory.blogspot.com/2012/07/two-simple-things-deeds-can-do.html), but In Deeds (http://indeeds.blogspot.com) is all land records all the time. C'mon in, the water's fine! Harold Harold On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Alicia Watt <adwagain@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Hello All!I wonder if anyone has a recommendation or two for me. I have > not used many land records in my research mainly because I don't really > understand them! Is there a book, guide, class that would be good to start > with? My genealogy research and education budget is small (and I've > over-spent already, of course!) so I'd prefer not to just blindly pick up a > book if there's something you all would recommend above all else. I guess > this subject just intimidates me a bit...Thanks so much!Alicia Watt > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Harold Henderson midwestroots.net Research, Writing, and Brickwall Dismantling from Northwest Indiana Regularly Researching at the Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center Certified Genealogist (SM) No. 1029 Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists® used by the Board to identify its program of genealogical competency evaluation and used under license by the Board’s associates.

Alicia, Land records can be difficult to understand, but once you get over that hurdle they are one of the best resources we have particularly when you are researching ancestors prior to 1850. The first step is to analyze the land record itself. An excellent guide to do this was written by Elizabeth Shown Mills and is online at: http://www.bcgcertification.org/skillbuilders/skbld951.html Cyndi's List has some resources that should prove helpful" http://www.cyndislist.com/land Good luck! Carl Oehmann -----Original Message----- From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Alicia Watt Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 1:06 PM To: tgf Subject: [TGF] Using Land Records Hello All!I wonder if anyone has a recommendation or two for me. I have not used many land records in my research mainly because I don't really understand them! Is there a book, guide, class that would be good to start with? My genealogy research and education budget is small (and I've over-spent already, of course!) so I'd prefer not to just blindly pick up a book if there's something you all would recommend above all else. I guess this subject just intimidates me a bit...Thanks so much!Alicia Watt

Thanks Carl and Harold! I certainly love FREE help, and I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who finds these records a little daunting!! I love a challenge, though, so I'm jumping in with both feet!Alicia > From: oehmannc@att.net > To: adwagain@hotmail.com; transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [TGF] Using Land Records > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 13:33:41 -0600 > > Alicia, > Land records can be difficult to understand, but once you get over that > hurdle they are one of the best resources we have particularly when you are > researching ancestors prior to 1850. > The first step is to analyze the land record itself. An excellent guide to > do this was written by Elizabeth Shown Mills and is online at: > http://www.bcgcertification.org/skillbuilders/skbld951.html > > Cyndi's List has some resources that should prove helpful" > http://www.cyndislist.com/land > > Good luck! > Carl Oehmann > > -----Original Message----- > From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Alicia Watt > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 1:06 PM > To: tgf > Subject: [TGF] Using Land Records > > > Hello All!I wonder if anyone has a recommendation or two for me. I have not > used many land records in my research mainly because I don't really > understand them! Is there a book, guide, class that would be good to start > with? My genealogy research and education budget is small (and I've > over-spent already, of course!) so I'd prefer not to just blindly pick up a > book if there's something you all would recommend above all else. I guess > this subject just intimidates me a bit...Thanks so much!Alicia Watt > > >

Hello All!I wonder if anyone has a recommendation or two for me. I have not used many land records in my research mainly because I don't really understand them! Is there a book, guide, class that would be good to start with? My genealogy research and education budget is small (and I've over-spent already, of course!) so I'd prefer not to just blindly pick up a book if there's something you all would recommend above all else. I guess this subject just intimidates me a bit...Thanks so much!Alicia Watt

Hello, I originally posted this query to the CITINGSOURCES list, but that doesn't seem to be a very active list. The last posting was in January 2012. I follow the Transitional Genealogists list and know that it is very active so I decided to post this here as well. I have what is probably a very basic citation question, but I want to make sure I get it right the first time in order to produce the highest quality work. I recently viewed PDF images of the 1851/2 census of Canada West on a website called *Automated Genealogy *(http://automatedgenealogy.com). This website has indexed and transcribed the entire census and provides links to the original documents, which are hosted by the *Canadian Genealogy Centre* on the Library and Archives Canada website. I have attempted to construct a few different citations. This is what I've come up with. 1. If I had viewed the microfilm containing the document my citation would look like this: Elizabeth Bogart household, 1851 census of Canada West, Dundas, Winchester Township, stamped page 27, line 9; microfilm C-11717, Library and Archives Canada, Ottawa. 2. If I had viewed the digital image on the Library and Archives Canada website directly, my citation would look like this: Elizabeth Bogart household, 1851 census of Canada, Dundas, Winchester Township, stamped page 27, line 9; digital image, Library and Archives Canada, *Canadian Genealogy Centre* ( http://www.collectionscanada.ca/genealogy : accessed 30 November 2012), citing LAC microfilm C-11717. 3. In reality, I viewed the digital image via *Automated Genealogy's* website so my potential citation looks like this: Elizabeth Bogart household, 1851 census of Canada, Dundas, Winchester Township, stamped page 27, line 9; digital image, *Automated Genealogy* ( http://automatedgenealogy.com <http://www.collectionscanada.ca/genealogy> : accessed 30 November 2012), citing LAC microfilm C-11717. Do I need to mention the Library and Archives website in my last citation? Are there are glaring errors or omissions? Is it not necessary to specify that these are schedule A and to include the district number? This particular census also includes an agricultural schedule. How would I cite them differently in order to distinguish between them? Finally, do I need to alter the citation for each individual who is listed in the household? Thank you, James Burton www.bogartsofdundas.com

James, I would rearrange your citations slightly. Arranging the elements from largest to smallest. 1851 census of Canada West (Ontario), Dundas County, population schedule, Winchester Township, Enumeration District 5, p. 27 (stamped), lines 9-18, Elizabeth Bogart household; Library and Archives Canada microfilm C11717. For the online image my citation would look like: 1851 census of Canada West (Ontario), Dundas County, population schedule, Winchester Township, Enumeration District 5, p. 27 (stamped), lines 9-18, Elizabeth Bogart household; digital images, Library and Archives Canada, (http:// www.collectionscanada.gc.ca : accessed 2 December 2012); citing LAC microfilm C11717. If I was citing the agricultural schedule I would substitute the word population for agricultural. You could use the words schedule A instead of population schedule, but I think using population or agricultural is clearer. Hope this helps, Ann In a message dated 02-Dec-12 13:32:26 US Mountain Standard Time, baillie@ncf.ca writes: James, Automated Genealogy is a great search tool but it is really only an index to LAC census images. Therefore, having found what I wanted at Automated Genealogy, I would go directly to the LAC website, where I would see that there is both a Schedule A (Personal Census) and a Schedule B (Agricultural Census), and that the personal census had a second page (p. 28 stamped) which does not turn up through Automated Genealogy. Viewing the images through the LAC website also means that I no longer need any reference to Automated Genealogy. So in the end, I would cite the online LAC images, specifying which schedule I used, and not mention Automated Genealogy at all. Regards, Deborah Baillie Ottawa, Ontario On 2012-12-02 11:08, James Burton wrote: > ...I recently viewed PDF images of the 1851/2 census of Canada West on a > website called *Automated Genealogy *(http://automatedgenealogy.com). This > website has indexed and transcribed the entire census and provides links to > the original documents, which are hosted by the *Canadian Genealogy Centre* on > the Library and Archives Canada website. > > I have attempted to construct a few different citations. This is what I've > come up with. > > 1. If I had viewed the microfilm containing the document my citation would > look like this: > > Elizabeth Bogart household, 1851 census of Canada West, Dundas, Winchester > Township, stamped page 27, line 9; microfilm C-11717, Library and Archives > Canada, Ottawa. > > 2. If I had viewed the digital image on the Library and Archives Canada > website directly, my citation would look like this: > > Elizabeth Bogart household, 1851 census of Canada, Dundas, Winchester > Township, stamped page 27, line 9; digital image, Library and Archives > Canada, *Canadian Genealogy Centre* ( > http://www.collectionscanada.ca/genealogy : accessed 30 November 2012), > citing LAC microfilm C-11717. > > 3. In reality, I viewed the digital image via *Automated Genealogy's* website > so my potential citation looks like this: > > Elizabeth Bogart household, 1851 census of Canada, Dundas, Winchester > Township, stamped page 27, line 9; digital image, *Automated Genealogy* ( > http://automatedgenealogy.com <http://www.collectionscanada.ca/genealogy> : > accessed 30 November 2012), citing LAC microfilm C-11717. > > Do I need to mention the Library and Archives website in my last citation? > Are there are glaring errors or omissions? Is it not necessary to specify > that these are schedule A and to include the district number? This > particular census also includes an agricultural schedule. How would I cite > them differently in order to distinguish between them? > ... > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

James, Automated Genealogy is a great search tool but it is really only an index to LAC census images. Therefore, having found what I wanted at Automated Genealogy, I would go directly to the LAC website, where I would see that there is both a Schedule A (Personal Census) and a Schedule B (Agricultural Census), and that the personal census had a second page (p. 28 stamped) which does not turn up through Automated Genealogy. Viewing the images through the LAC website also means that I no longer need any reference to Automated Genealogy. So in the end, I would cite the online LAC images, specifying which schedule I used, and not mention Automated Genealogy at all. Regards, Deborah Baillie Ottawa, Ontario On 2012-12-02 11:08, James Burton wrote: > ...I recently viewed PDF images of the 1851/2 census of Canada West on a > website called *Automated Genealogy *(http://automatedgenealogy.com). This > website has indexed and transcribed the entire census and provides links to > the original documents, which are hosted by the *Canadian Genealogy Centre* on > the Library and Archives Canada website. > > I have attempted to construct a few different citations. This is what I've > come up with. > > 1. If I had viewed the microfilm containing the document my citation would > look like this: > > Elizabeth Bogart household, 1851 census of Canada West, Dundas, Winchester > Township, stamped page 27, line 9; microfilm C-11717, Library and Archives > Canada, Ottawa. > > 2. If I had viewed the digital image on the Library and Archives Canada > website directly, my citation would look like this: > > Elizabeth Bogart household, 1851 census of Canada, Dundas, Winchester > Township, stamped page 27, line 9; digital image, Library and Archives > Canada, *Canadian Genealogy Centre* ( > http://www.collectionscanada.ca/genealogy : accessed 30 November 2012), > citing LAC microfilm C-11717. > > 3. In reality, I viewed the digital image via *Automated Genealogy's* website > so my potential citation looks like this: > > Elizabeth Bogart household, 1851 census of Canada, Dundas, Winchester > Township, stamped page 27, line 9; digital image, *Automated Genealogy* ( > http://automatedgenealogy.com <http://www.collectionscanada.ca/genealogy> : > accessed 30 November 2012), citing LAC microfilm C-11717. > > Do I need to mention the Library and Archives website in my last citation? > Are there are glaring errors or omissions? Is it not necessary to specify > that these are schedule A and to include the district number? This > particular census also includes an agricultural schedule. How would I cite > them differently in order to distinguish between them? > ... >

http://ftm.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/2454/kw/How%20to%20show%20tw o%20sets%20of%20parents/session/L3RpbWUvMTM1NDI5MDMzNS9zaWQvYVZ4RWxBY2w%3D#r es2 Not sure if you have 2011 version or later. I hope you follow this and it helps or someone else can give you clearer instructions. Suzanne Newton

Cathy wrote: >I did have him listed as Otto Johanne (Crull) Penner but was told by someone that that was WRONG.  Cathy, did this person tell you why he or she deemed this approach wrong? One genealogical convention does apply here. Placing a name in parentheses, after the given name and before the surname, is the convention used for females to indicate their maiden name. (Rose, Chap. 23 of_Progen_, p. 465). Example: Emma (Crull) Smith What you seem to be dealing with, based on your description, is an "also known as" situation. Conventionally in genealogy, an aka name (or a variant spelling) is placed after the surname that you deem to be the principal one. For clarity, then, the "aka" or the "var." is explained within the parentheses. For example: Otto Johanne Penner (aka Crull) or Otto Johanne Crull (aka Crull, Baxter) Or, if this were the case: Otto Johanne Penner (var. Pener) Elizabeth -------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG www.HistoricPathways.com www.EvidenceExplained.com & for daily tips on records and records analysis: www.Facebook.com/EvidenceExplained

Unfortunately, this does not explain the record I am dealing with. First, the "A" is appended to the SSN as reported on a death certificate. I am not dealing with a Social Security Administration document. Second, this person died before enactment of Medicaid. A couple of kind souls on the TGF and APGMember lists have provided the following link explaining letters appended to SSNs: http://ssa-custhelp.ssa.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/1366/~/meaning-of-the-le "A" referred to the claimant. A "B" would refer to a spouse of a claimant.. The SSA says that these expanded SSNs would be used for Medicare numbers (but, again, the person I am dealing with died before Medicare). I think the likely explanation is this case is that, when information was gathered for the death certificate, the informant (daughter of deceased) reported the SSN with the appended "A" from some kind of SSN claim document., which I have not seen. Thank you to all who responded. - Jay Fonkert -----Original Message----- From: Eileen Souza <eileen.souza@gmail.com> To: 'Karen Rhodes' <bitbucket001@comcast.net>; transitional-genealogists-forum <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, Nov 30, 2012 7:00 am Subject: Re: [TGF] social security numbers I believe Karen is correct. I have Medicare Part A and my Medicare number is my SSN with an A after it. Eileen _______________________________ Eileen A Souza Eldersburg, MD Old Bones Genealogy LLC info@oldbonesgenealogy.com www.oldbonesgenealogy.com > -----Original Message----- > From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Karen Rhodes > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 10:02 PM > To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [TGF] social security numbers > > On 11/29/2012 4:42 PM, JFonkert@aol.com wrote: > > A couple of questions about social security numbers and SS-5 forms: > > > > > > - I have a California death certificate that reports a social > > security number with an "A" appended to the end of the number For example: > > "000-00-0000A." I think the "A" might mean "amended." Can anyone confirm > this? > > > > It's a Medicare number. Depends on whether you have Medicare A or Medicare B. > I have A, and my Medicare number is my SSN with an A after it. > > > > > > > > - The SS-5 associated with this number is for a different male name than > > appears on the death certificate. For example, the death certificate says > > "John Q. Public" and the SS-5 says "Norman Z. Private." Yes, the names are > > that different, but I know this man used both names in his life. > > > > > > - However, searching for this social security number returns the name on > > the death certificate ("John Q. Public") rather than the name that appears > > on the SS-5 ("Norman Z. Private"). > > > > > > I am guessing that a) either this man filed two different SS-5 > > applications, or at some time during his life or at death, the SSA records were > > corrected. Yet, when I requested the SS-5 from the SSA, I received only the > one > > record with the conflicting name. > > > > > > What do you think? > > > > > > I really don't have an opinion about that, having never encountered it > before. > > Karen Packard Rhodes > currently residing in Pinellas Park, Pinellas County, Florida > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL- > GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Cathy, I don't think there is a wrong or right way to do this. It all depends on what you want to do and what your objective is. I have several adoptions in my tree. I made a decision to list both sets of parents, however I always use the biological parents as the primary/preferred parents. The reason for this, I am not interested in researching the adopted lines beyond the adopted parents. I want to see the individuals biological line and not the adoptive line in pedigree charts. Because the database requires a "preferred name" I made a decision to use the birth name as the preferred. I then use another "name" fact, (FTM 2012 allows this) to add the name change. In FTM there are two "name" fact's one shows up just under the "preferred" name at the top the other shows up in the list of facts where you can add a date for your timeline. Ann In a message dated 30-Nov-12 06:26:00 US Mountain Standard Time, cacshantih@sbcglobal.net writes: I'm hoping for your input regarding an adopted child, my grandfather. His birth parents were not married when he was born. FamilySearch has him listed as _____Baxter, father is listed as N. Baxter and mother is Emma Crull. Along come a couple who want to adopt the child, Martha and Otto Penner. A year to the date of his birth the couple adopts the child, who is now named Otto J Crull on the adoption document with the mother listed as Emma Crull, a single woman and mother. The father, N Baxter, is not mentioned at all. The adoption took place in the probate court of Wyandotte, Kansas; Emma was a resident there. My question is how best should I list Otto? I use FTM2012 which allows you to enter all the parents, adopted and birth, and to make one set "preferred". However, when you do this you don't see the other set of parents. Same thing on Ancestry.com. I have listed all the events of his birth and adoption plus have all the documents attached with the correct dates. Currently I have him listed with his adoptive name and adoptive parents. Or would it be more correct to list his with his actual birth name and birth parents? I did have him listed as Otto Johanne (Crull) Penner but was told by someone that that was WRONG. What is the best course to take? Thanks. Cathy Champion in Fenton, MO 63026 (near St. Louis)

Cathy, if it were me, I would list the birth parents as "preferred" since they are your actual blood ancestors. By listing them as the preferred, they will show in all your FTM charts and narratives as part of your family tree. Eileen _______________________________ Eileen A Souza Eldersburg, MD Old Bones Genealogy LLC info@oldbonesgenealogy.com www.oldbonesgenealogy.com > -----Original Message----- > From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Cathy Champion > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:25 AM > To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com > Subject: [TGF] Entering data for my grandfather who was adopted > > I'm hoping for your input regarding an adopted child, my grandfather. > > His birth parents were not married when he was born.  FamilySearch has him > listed as _____Baxter, father is listed as N. Baxter and mother is Emma Crull. > > Along come a couple who want to adopt the child, Martha and Otto Penner.  A > year to the date of his birth the couple adopts the child, who is now named Otto J > Crull on the adoption document with the mother listed as Emma Crull, a single > woman and mother. > > The father, N Baxter, is not mentioned at all. > > The adoption took place in the probate court of Wyandotte, Kansas; Emma was a > resident there. > > My question is how best should I list Otto?  I use FTM2012 which allows you to > enter all the parents, adopted and birth, and to make one set "preferred". > However, when you do this you don't see the other set of parents.  Same thing on > Ancestry.com. > > I have listed all the events of his birth and adoption plus have all the documents > attached with the correct dates.   Currently I have him listed with his adoptive > name and adoptive parents.  Or would it be more correct to list his with his actual > birth name and birth parents? > > > I did have him listed as Otto Johanne (Crull) Penner but was told by someone that > that was WRONG. > > > What is the best course to take?  Thanks. > > Cathy Champion in Fenton, MO 63026 (near St. Louis) > > "When a man loves cats, I am his friend and comrade without further > introduction" - Mark Twain > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL- > GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would do as you have done, listed him as a child in two relationships. He would be the biological child of N. Baxter and Emma Crull. This couple would be listed as "never married." He would be listed as the adopted child of Otto and Martha Penner. You can always put an explanatory note in the "notes" section for the child. This note should show up on Ancestry so that people will know that he is the child of two relationships. Michele -----Original Message----- From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Cathy Champion Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:25 AM To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: [TGF] Entering data for my grandfather who was adopted I'm hoping for your input regarding an adopted child, my grandfather. His birth parents were not married when he was born.  FamilySearch has him listed as _____Baxter, father is listed as N. Baxter and mother is Emma Crull. Along come a couple who want to adopt the child, Martha and Otto Penner.  A year to the date of his birth the couple adopts the child, who is now named Otto J Crull on the adoption document with the mother listed as Emma Crull, a single woman and mother.   The father, N Baxter, is not mentioned at all. The adoption took place in the probate court of Wyandotte, Kansas; Emma was a resident there. My question is how best should I list Otto?  I use FTM2012 which allows you to enter all the parents, adopted and birth, and to make one set "preferred". However, when you do this you don't see the other set of parents.  Same thing on Ancestry.com. I have listed all the events of his birth and adoption plus have all the documents attached with the correct dates.   Currently I have him listed with his adoptive name and adoptive parents.  Or would it be more correct to list his with his actual birth name and birth parents?  I did have him listed as Otto Johanne (Crull) Penner but was told by someone that that was WRONG.  What is the best course to take?  Thanks.   Cathy Champion in Fenton, MO 63026 (near St. Louis)   "When a man loves cats, I am his friend and comrade without further introduction" - Mark Twain The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I believe Karen is correct. I have Medicare Part A and my Medicare number is my SSN with an A after it. Eileen _______________________________ Eileen A Souza Eldersburg, MD Old Bones Genealogy LLC info@oldbonesgenealogy.com www.oldbonesgenealogy.com > -----Original Message----- > From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Karen Rhodes > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 10:02 PM > To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [TGF] social security numbers > > On 11/29/2012 4:42 PM, JFonkert@aol.com wrote: > > A couple of questions about social security numbers and SS-5 forms: > > > > > > - I have a California death certificate that reports a social > > security number with an "A" appended to the end of the number For example: > > "000-00-0000A." I think the "A" might mean "amended." Can anyone confirm > this? > > > > It's a Medicare number. Depends on whether you have Medicare A or Medicare B. > I have A, and my Medicare number is my SSN with an A after it. > > > > > > > > - The SS-5 associated with this number is for a different male name than > > appears on the death certificate. For example, the death certificate says > > "John Q. Public" and the SS-5 says "Norman Z. Private." Yes, the names are > > that different, but I know this man used both names in his life. > > > > > > - However, searching for this social security number returns the name on > > the death certificate ("John Q. Public") rather than the name that appears > > on the SS-5 ("Norman Z. Private"). > > > > > > I am guessing that a) either this man filed two different SS-5 > > applications, or at some time during his life or at death, the SSA records were > > corrected. Yet, when I requested the SS-5 from the SSA, I received only the > one > > record with the conflicting name. > > > > > > What do you think? > > > > > > I really don't have an opinion about that, having never encountered it > before. > > Karen Packard Rhodes > currently residing in Pinellas Park, Pinellas County, Florida > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL- > GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message