I am using Family Tree Maker (FTM) 2010 and I needed a new computer. I also have a large genealogy project as well. I was attempting to use FTM 2010 as a way to keep all the various family lines straight. Sad to say I am afraid I am afraid that I am going to spend most of tomorrow morning creating Word documents trying to sort all this mess out and hope FTM doesn't take delete any more of the project. FTM 2010 is technically working on Windows 8, but the following things occur: --Person A is added as a child of Parents M & N who are not related to her and the only option I have is to delete. --People are disappearing from the file. Yes I know I can delete individuals or merge them, but this many. --It does not always go back to the last person I was on even if I did a backup of it. I do not have time to recreate the file to see if there is a bug or if it is corrupt. I've just never had this issue before with FTM and I just thought I would let others know of the possible issue. Amy

Amy, I have replied privately. Thank you, Russ ___________________________ Mailto:rworthington@att.net ________________________________ From: "dunna@roadrunner.com" <dunna@roadrunner.com> To: TGF forum <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, December 5, 2012 12:02:24 AM Subject: [TGF] FTM and Windows 8 I am using Family Tree Maker (FTM) 2010 and I needed a new computer. I also have a large genealogy project as well. I was attempting to use FTM 2010 as a way to keep all the various family lines straight. Sad to say I am afraid I am afraid that I am going to spend most of tomorrow morning creating Word documents trying to sort all this mess out and hope FTM doesn't take delete any more of the project. FTM 2010 is technically working on Windows 8, but the following things occur: --Person A is added as a child of Parents M & N who are not related to her and the only option I have is to delete. --People are disappearing from the file. Yes I know I can delete individuals or merge them, but this many. --It does not always go back to the last person I was on even if I did a backup of it. I do not have time to recreate the file to see if there is a bug or if it is corrupt. I've just never had this issue before with FTM and I just thought I would let others know of the possible issue. Amy The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Echoing elissa and others, I too find Greenwood timeles, because he deals mostly with what to do with information after its found, rather than where to find it. In a similar strain on a more advance level is Eugene A. Stratton, Applied Genealogy (Ancestry, Inc., 1988). To use these works in the new digital world, all that's needed is to add to the traditonal lists of documentary repositories--libraries, archives and record offices--the new web repositories of digitized data, both those specific to genealogy and the general ones like google.com, which have been described in earlier replies. The most striking development of the last five years, and the one that's hardest keep current in a printed work, is the vast array of images of records being made available from the documentary repositories that hold the originals. How to use these sources is what Greenwood and Stratton tell us. The methodological principles have not changed. We must still compare information from various sources, and where there are disagreements, assess the relative credibility of each one, as those authors explain. Donn Donn Devine, CG CG and Certified Genealogist are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic evaluation, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office.

I agree with Elissa, Janis, Dave, and Elizabeth. The internet is simply a tool. It may help you get to some original records. If you don't know what the record means or what to do with the record, you may still need some help. Greenwood's book can assist you with learning what the record is telling you and how you might analyze it. Melinda Henningfield Medford, Oregon (Still waiting on that grand baby, now one week late.)

Dave wrote: > It may be quicker to find things on the Internet, but how to use what you find hasn't changed (much). I do agree that there are some areas where the book could use a little updating, but it's more a matter of new materials that are now available to us, along with changing laws. I totally agree with Dave. While Carl was the first to weigh in, and kindly cited me to provide an Internet source, my own Number 1 suggestion for a solid grasp of land records would be Val Greenwood's classic work--in any edition. Elizabeth ------------------------------------------------------ Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG www.HistoricPathways.com www.EvidenceExplained.com & for daily tips on records and record usage: www.Facebook.com/EvidenceExplained

I certainly agree that Greenwood is an excellent resource for methodology but having read Grenham's revised "Tracing Your Irish Ancestors", I'd love to see it updated in a similar way, making it even more relevant. Claire Smith Sent from my iPhone On Dec 4, 2012, at 10:31 AM, Dave Liesse <Dave@skingcoservicesllc.com> wrote: > Elissa got in before I did, but I was going to say pretty much the same > thing. It may be quicker to find things on the Internet, but how to use > what you find hasn't changed (much). I do agree that there are some > areas where the book could use a little updating, but it's more a matter > of new materials that are now available to us, along with changing laws. > > Dave Liesse > Skingco Services, LLC > > > On 12/4/2012 09:29, Elissa Scalise Powell, CG, CGL wrote: >> I have to respectfully disagree a bit. <g> Greenwood's book contains solid >> methodological information about record groups we need to know in detail. >> How those records are delivered (microfilm, books, or scanned images on the >> internet) is another issue and constantly changes. But the essence of >> Greenwood's is almost timeless as he explains the meaning of court records >> (wasn't there a discussion of land records here recently?), church and vital >> records, and evaluating evidence, among other things. >> >> When people ask what constitutes a "reasonably exhaustive search" it has >> been said that using records in each chapter of Greenwood's book could >> answer that. >> >> There are other books on internet genealogy. George Morgan and Kimberly >> Powell are authors of such books that come to mind. Of course the versions >> on these keep being updated as well. <g> >> >> Best wishes, >> Elissa >> >> Elissa Scalise Powell, CG, CGL >> www.PowellGenealogy.com >> www.GRIPitt.org >> CG, Certified Genealogist, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are >> Service Marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under >> license by board certificants after periodic evaluations by the Board and >> the board name is a trademark registered in the US Patent and Trademark >> Office. > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have to respectfully disagree a bit. <g> Greenwood's book contains solid methodological information about record groups we need to know in detail. How those records are delivered (microfilm, books, or scanned images on the internet) is another issue and constantly changes. But the essence of Greenwood's is almost timeless as he explains the meaning of court records (wasn't there a discussion of land records here recently?), church and vital records, and evaluating evidence, among other things. When people ask what constitutes a "reasonably exhaustive search" it has been said that using records in each chapter of Greenwood's book could answer that. There are other books on internet genealogy. George Morgan and Kimberly Powell are authors of such books that come to mind. Of course the versions on these keep being updated as well. <g> Best wishes, Elissa Elissa Scalise Powell, CG, CGL www.PowellGenealogy.com www.GRIPitt.org CG, Certified Genealogist, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are Service Marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic evaluations by the Board and the board name is a trademark registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. > -----Original Message----- > From: On Behalf Of Claire Smith > > It is a good book. However, since internet research is now such a large part of > genealogical research, I have to say that it's outdated. > > It would be far better and more useful today if it were updated to include online research > tools, techniques and websites. I hope it gets updated. >

Elissa got in before I did, but I was going to say pretty much the same thing. It may be quicker to find things on the Internet, but how to use what you find hasn't changed (much). I do agree that there are some areas where the book could use a little updating, but it's more a matter of new materials that are now available to us, along with changing laws. Dave Liesse Skingco Services, LLC On 12/4/2012 09:29, Elissa Scalise Powell, CG, CGL wrote: > I have to respectfully disagree a bit. <g> Greenwood's book contains solid > methodological information about record groups we need to know in detail. > How those records are delivered (microfilm, books, or scanned images on the > internet) is another issue and constantly changes. But the essence of > Greenwood's is almost timeless as he explains the meaning of court records > (wasn't there a discussion of land records here recently?), church and vital > records, and evaluating evidence, among other things. > > When people ask what constitutes a "reasonably exhaustive search" it has > been said that using records in each chapter of Greenwood's book could > answer that. > > There are other books on internet genealogy. George Morgan and Kimberly > Powell are authors of such books that come to mind. Of course the versions > on these keep being updated as well. <g> > > Best wishes, > Elissa > > Elissa Scalise Powell, CG, CGL > www.PowellGenealogy.com > www.GRIPitt.org > CG, Certified Genealogist, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are > Service Marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under > license by board certificants after periodic evaluations by the Board and > the board name is a trademark registered in the US Patent and Trademark > Office. >

I, too, really love Greenwood's book and find much of it to be timeless. I first read it cover to cover while on a coast-to-coast flight. Janis Walker Gilmore Pawleys Island, SC On Dec 4, 2012, at 9:29 AM, Elissa Scalise Powell, CG, CGL wrote: > I have to respectfully disagree a bit. <g> Greenwood's book contains solid > methodological information about record groups we need to know in detail. > How those records are delivered (microfilm, books, or scanned images on the > internet) is another issue and constantly changes. But the essence of > Greenwood's is almost timeless as he explains the meaning of court records > (wasn't there a discussion of land records here recently?), church and vital > records, and evaluating evidence, among other things. > > When people ask what constitutes a "reasonably exhaustive search" it has > been said that using records in each chapter of Greenwood's book could > answer that. > > There are other books on internet genealogy. George Morgan and Kimberly > Powell are authors of such books that come to mind. Of course the versions > on these keep being updated as well. <g> > > Best wishes, > Elissa > > Elissa Scalise Powell, CG, CGL > www.PowellGenealogy.com > www.GRIPitt.org > CG, Certified Genealogist, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are > Service Marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under > license by board certificants after periodic evaluations by the Board and > the board name is a trademark registered in the US Patent and Trademark > Office. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: On Behalf Of Claire Smith >> >> It is a good book. However, since internet research is now such a large > part of >> genealogical research, I have to say that it's outdated. >> >> It would be far better and more useful today if it were updated to include > online research >> tools, techniques and websites. I hope it gets updated. >> > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks to those who answered my question regarding The Researcher's Guide to American Genealogy. I actually have the 3rd edition as a digital download that I read on my Nook. I decided it would be easier to have the book, so thought before I bought the same edition, I would hold off for a new edition. I appreciate your help. (Hope Melinda's new grandchild has come. We just celebrated two granddaughters' birthdays, Nov 29 for the 3 yr old and Dec 1 for the one year old in the same family. So fun! but lots of work for their parents) Margie in Washington State

It is a good book. However, since internet research is now such a large part of genealogical research, I have to say that it's outdated. It would be far better and more useful today if it were updated to include online research tools, techniques and websites. I hope it gets updated. I recently purchased the eBook version of John Grenham's "Tracing Your Irish Ancestors" so I could take it with me to Ireland. I own the the third edition but it's pretty big. I was happy to discover that the fourth edition fully incorporates internet research as an essential part of the research process along with all of the traditional sources. I hope that Greenwood is revised in the same way. Claire Smith On Dec 3, 2012, at 11:12 PM, Melinda Henningfield <mhenningfield@gmail.com> wrote: > Margie, > I am not at home (or even in the USA) but I believe the 3rd edition > published in about 2000 is the latest edition. It is well worth it, > however. Only the parts dealing with the computer and internet are > outdated. (That is a small part of the book.) > > Melinda Henningfield > Medford, Oregon (presently in Japan awaiting a tardy grandchild.) > > On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 9:12 PM, M. A. Beldin <mabeldin@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hello, >> I would like to obtain a copy of Val D Greenwoods book but before >> purchasing a 12-13 year old edition, does anyone know if there is an >> updated edition in the works? >> >> Thanks >> Margie in Washington State >> The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive >> environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to >> professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I checked online and it appears that the 3rd edition printed in 2000 and reprinted in 2005 is the most recent. Dawn -----Original Message----- From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Melinda Henningfield Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 11:13 PM To: M. A. Beldin Cc: Transitional-Genealogists-Forum@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TGF] The Researcher's Guide to Anerican Genealogy Margie, I am not at home (or even in the USA) but I believe the 3rd edition published in about 2000 is the latest edition. It is well worth it, however. Only the parts dealing with the computer and internet are outdated. (That is a small part of the book.) Melinda Henningfield Medford, Oregon (presently in Japan awaiting a tardy grandchild.) On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 9:12 PM, M. A. Beldin <mabeldin@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, > I would like to obtain a copy of Val D Greenwoods book but before > purchasing a 12-13 year old edition, does anyone know if there is an > updated edition in the works? > > Thanks > Margie in Washington State > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they > transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Margie, I am not at home (or even in the USA) but I believe the 3rd edition published in about 2000 is the latest edition. It is well worth it, however. Only the parts dealing with the computer and internet are outdated. (That is a small part of the book.) Melinda Henningfield Medford, Oregon (presently in Japan awaiting a tardy grandchild.) On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 9:12 PM, M. A. Beldin <mabeldin@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, > I would like to obtain a copy of Val D Greenwoods book but before > purchasing a 12-13 year old edition, does anyone know if there is an > updated edition in the works? > > Thanks > Margie in Washington State > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you very much for all the great responses to my query both on and off list. I knew I could count on the generous members of this list to provide thoughtful guidance. In case anyone is interested, this is the final form my citation has taken: 1851 census of Canada West (Ontario), Dundas, Winchester Township, personal schedule, p. 27 (stamped), lines 9-18, Elizabeth Bogart household; digital image, Library and Archives Canada, ( http://www.collectionscanada.ca/genealogy : accessed 30 November 2012), citing LAC microfilm C-11717. Cheers, James Burton http://www.bogartsofdundas.com On 3 December 2012 06:33, <AGilchrest@aol.com> wrote: > > James, > I would rearrange your citations slightly. Arranging the elements from > largest to smallest. > 1851 census of Canada West (Ontario), Dundas County, population schedule, > Winchester Township, Enumeration District 5, p. 27 (stamped), lines 9-18, > Elizabeth Bogart household; Library and Archives Canada microfilm C11717. > For the online image my citation would look like: > 1851 census of Canada West (Ontario), Dundas County, population schedule, > Winchester Township, Enumeration District 5, p. 27 (stamped), lines 9-18, > Elizabeth Bogart household; digital images, Library and Archives Canada, > (http:// www.collectionscanada.gc.ca : accessed 2 December 2012); citing > LAC > microfilm C11717. > If I was citing the agricultural schedule I would substitute the word > population for agricultural. > You could use the words schedule A instead of population schedule, but I > think using population or agricultural is clearer. > Hope this helps, > Ann > > > In a message dated 02-Dec-12 13:32:26 US Mountain Standard Time, > baillie@ncf.ca writes: > > James, > > Automated Genealogy is a great search tool but it is really only an > index to LAC census images. Therefore, having found what I wanted at > Automated Genealogy, I would go directly to the LAC website, where I > would see that there is both a Schedule A (Personal Census) and a > Schedule B (Agricultural Census), and that the personal census had a > second page (p. 28 stamped) which does not turn up through Automated > Genealogy. > > Viewing the images through the LAC website also means that I no longer > need any reference to Automated Genealogy. So in the end, I would cite > the online LAC images, specifying which schedule I used, and not mention > Automated Genealogy at all. > > Regards, > Deborah Baillie > Ottawa, Ontario > > On 2012-12-02 11:08, James Burton wrote: > > ...I recently viewed PDF images of the 1851/2 census of Canada West on a > > website called *Automated Genealogy *(http://automatedgenealogy.com). > This > > website has indexed and transcribed the entire census and provides links > to > > the original documents, which are hosted by the *Canadian Genealogy > Centre* on > > the Library and Archives Canada website. > > > > I have attempted to construct a few different citations. This is what > I've > > come up with. > > > > 1. If I had viewed the microfilm containing the document my citation > would > > look like this: > > > > Elizabeth Bogart household, 1851 census of Canada West, Dundas, > Winchester > > Township, stamped page 27, line 9; microfilm C-11717, Library and > Archives > > Canada, Ottawa. > > > > 2. If I had viewed the digital image on the Library and Archives Canada > > website directly, my citation would look like this: > > > > Elizabeth Bogart household, 1851 census of Canada, Dundas, Winchester > > Township, stamped page 27, line 9; digital image, Library and Archives > > Canada, *Canadian Genealogy Centre* ( > > http://www.collectionscanada.ca/genealogy : accessed 30 November 2012), > > citing LAC microfilm C-11717. > > > > 3. In reality, I viewed the digital image via *Automated Genealogy's* > website > > so my potential citation looks like this: > > > > Elizabeth Bogart household, 1851 census of Canada, Dundas, Winchester > > Township, stamped page 27, line 9; digital image, *Automated Genealogy* > ( > > http://automatedgenealogy.com > <http://www.collectionscanada.ca/genealogy> : > > accessed 30 November 2012), citing LAC microfilm C-11717. > > > > Do I need to mention the Library and Archives website in my last > citation? > > Are there are glaring errors or omissions? Is it not necessary to > specify > > that these are schedule A and to include the district number? This > > particular census also includes an agricultural schedule. How would I > cite > > them differently in order to distinguish between them? > > ... > > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. 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Great idea, Sarah. Perhaps a wiki would be one way to do it -- or via the FamilySearch wiki. I am happy to say that the big city where my wife's ancestors concentrated (Pittsburgh) stuck with grantor-grantee. Harold On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Sarah A. V. Kirby <kirby-s@sbcglobal.net>wrote: > I'm weird - I nearly started my genealogy with land records. I think they > were > third after census and vital. Mainly because they were readily accessible > - I > still have relatives in locations near over 200 years of ancestors. > > However, big city records - specifically Detroit and Chicago - intimidate > me. In > both locations it is because they don't use grantee/grantor indices as the > entry > point. Lake County, Illinois is similar (at least for recent records). > Instead > they use a variant of the property description/property identification > number to > index records. The intimidating part - if I knew the description I > wouldn't be > looking!!! (At least some of the time.) > > > It would be great to have a list of locales that don't use grantee/grantor > - and > then have a pile of folks attack making detailed instructions for digging > in > anyway. > > -------------------- > Sarah A. V. Kirby > sarah@vandeventer.net (primary) > kirby-s@sbcglobal.net (alternate) > LinkedIn - http://www.linkedin.com/in/sarahavkirby > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Harold Henderson midwestroots.net Research, Writing, and Brickwall Dismantling from Northwest Indiana Regularly Researching at the Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center Certified Genealogist (SM) No. 1029 Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists® used by the Board to identify its program of genealogical competency evaluation and used under license by the Board’s associates.

Hello, I would like to obtain a copy of Val D Greenwoods book but before purchasing a 12-13 year old edition, does anyone know if there is an updated edition in the works? Thanks Margie in Washington State

Alicia An excellent book on the subject is by E. Wade Hone, Land and Property Research in the United States. Mary On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Alicia Watt <adwagain@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Hello All!I wonder if anyone has a recommendation or two for me. I have > not used many land records in my research mainly because I don't really > understand them! Is there a book, guide, class that would be good to start > with? My genealogy research and education budget is small (and I've > over-spent already, of course!) so I'd prefer not to just blindly pick up a > book if there's something you all would recommend above all else. I guess > this subject just intimidates me a bit...Thanks so much!Alicia Watt > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Harold Henderson midwestroots.net Research, Writing, and Brickwall Dismantling from Northwest Indiana Regularly Researching at the Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center Certified Genealogist (SM) No. 1029 Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists® used by the Board to identify its program of genealogical competency evaluation and used under license by the Board’s associates. The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/50bd0d54dae4bd545c83st02vuc

I think I can remember back to being a "baby genealogist" and being daunted by the length of the deeds and the language. Understanding the terms and what they were saying is not intuitive. Catching some of the nuances such as compensation of a $1 or a peppercorn were significant. What helped me the best was transcribing the deeds in their entirety, one after another after another. Then I got smarter on what was "boilerplate" and made abstracts. (See _Professional Genealogy_ chapter 16). Then I was able to boil it down to spreadsheets to compare deeds together and manipulate them by the columns of information. This really helped to see holes. Land records are important and deserve our attention. However they are still the most time consuming records to use, IMHO, aside from beefy pension files. -- Elissa Elissa Scalise Powell, CG, CGL www.PowellGenealogy.com www.GRIPitt.org CG, Certified Genealogist, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are Service Marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic evaluations by the Board and the board name is a trademark registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. > -----Original Message----- > From: On Behalf Of Michael Hait > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 7:35 PM > > What do you find most daunting about land records? > > I have been thinking of putting together a few new presentations dealing with various > aspects of using land records for genealogy research, and this discussion would be helpful > to me in developing the lectures.

Alicia, I second the recommendation for E. Wade Hone's *Land and Property Research in the United States*. I thought it was out of print, so if you found it used on Amazon, grab it! I suspect it won't last long. Cathi *Catherine Desmarais, Certified Genealogist*℠ www.StoneHouseResearch.com Family History and Forensic Research Heirloom Albums and Wall Charts >From Vermont's beautiful Champlain Valley Certified Genealogist and CG are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists®, used under license by the Board's associates after periodic evaluation. On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 7:30 PM, Alicia Watt <adwagain@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Just found it used on Amazon - cheap!! I may "splurge". Thanks!! > > > From: ancestoring@gmail.com > > To: mgmoyer@juno.com; librarytraveler@gmail.com > > CC: adwagain@hotmail.com; transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com > > Subject: RE: [TGF] Using Land Records > > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 19:28:54 -0500 > > > > I have this one and I like it very much. > > > > Michele > > > > > > > > Alicia > > > > An excellent book on the subject is by E. Wade Hone, Land and Property > > Research in the United States. > > > > Mary > > > > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

If I could ask, to everyone--not just singling out Alicia :) What do you find most daunting about land records? I have been thinking of putting together a few new presentations dealing with various aspects of using land records for genealogy research, and this discussion would be helpful to me in developing the lectures. Thanks, Michael Hait, CG(sm) michael.hait@hotmail.com http://www.haitfamilyresearch.com "Planting the Seeds" Blog: http://michaelhait.wordpress.com CG and Certified Genealogist are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic competency evaluation, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office. -----Original Message----- From: Alicia Watt Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 7:20 PM To: chris@staatsofohio.com Cc: tgf Subject: Re: [TGF] Using Land Records Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!! Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 19:19:14 -0500 Subject: Re: [TGF] Using Land Records From: chris@staatsofohio.com To: adwagain@hotmail.com CC: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com ALicia, Like Harold, I saw the swimming pool, but I was pushed in before I had a chance to jump. In addition to all the excellent resources already listed, in my deed presentation handout I include the following online resources (i.e. - free) in my handout: ACPL Genealogy Center, “Digging into Deed Records - Part 1” Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center blog, posted 1 Jun 2011 (http://genealogycenter.org/Community/Blog.aspx : accessed 15 Jun 2011). Link: http://genealogycenter.org/Community/Blog/11-06-01/Digging_into_Deed_Records_-_Part_1.aspx ACPL Genealogy Center, “Digging into Deed Records - Part 2” Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center blog, posted 2 Jun 2011 (http://genealogycenter.org/Community/Blog.aspx : accessed 15 Jun 2011). Link: http://genealogycenter.org/Community/Blog/11-06-02/Digging_into_Deed_Records_-_Part_2.aspx Bankhead, Susan Farrell, CG, “Looking at a Deed,” Susans Genealogy Blog, posted 26 Aug 2011 (http://www.susansgenealogyblog.com : accessed 30 Sep 2011) Link: http://www.susansgenealogyblog.com/2011/08/26/looking-at-a-deed/ Bankhead, Susan Farrell, CG, “Digging in a Deed: Clues to Break Through Your Brickwall,” Susans Genealogy Blog, posted 27 Aug 2011 (http://www.susansgenealogyblog.com : accessed 30 Sep 2011). http://www.susansgenealogyblog.com/2011/08/27/digging-in-a-deed-clues-to-break-through-your-brickwall/ Henderson, Harold ,“Genealogy and Property Records.,” Learning From the Experts, Archives.com, posted 23 Sep 2011 (http://archives.com: accessed 16 Sep 2011). Link: http://www.archives.com/experts/henderson-harold/property-records.html King, Roberta, “Sections, Ranges and Townships,” FamilySearch Learning Center, video, posted 27 Apr 2010; (https://familysearch.org/learningcenter/home.html: accessed 30 Sep 2011). Direct Link: https://familysearch.org/learningcenter/lesson/sections-ranges-and-townships/110 There's probably a number of others I'm missing or have been posted since I last updated the handout, but all of the above are excellent. Chris On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Alicia Watt <adwagain@hotmail.com> wrote: Thanks Carl and Harold! I certainly love FREE help, and I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who finds these records a little daunting!! I love a challenge, though, so I'm jumping in with both feet!Alicia The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message