On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 1:00 AM, < transitional-genealogists-forum-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > CAKOemYdChk8HTLvqLdFdSTY2=tNCLnKUFYtTDi5BDJ3TJGFaHg@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > I love social history! Thank you so much for doing this blog. I am gonna put it on my feed right this minute. Anna DuPen Bainbridge Island, WA > >

Claudia, my experience has been that there is rarely specific location information, but as in almost any record, it never hurts to try. After looking at many records of one Providence Italian family, I found the specific town of birth on her death record. Most other places of birth for Italians was just given as "Italy." Here are the declaration of intentions for New York County court of common pleas on microfilm: https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/show?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fcatalog-search-api%3A8080%2Fwww-catalogapi-webservice%2Fitem%2F233670 There may be another set of records for the oaths of allegiance. On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Claudia Breland <ccbreland@comcast.net>wrote: > Hello, > > I found naturalization index cards on Fold3 (and Ancestry) for Joseph > Kreutzmann (NY Common Pleas Court, 12 June 1866) and Samuel Kritzmann (NY > Common Pleas Court, 21 Apr 1882). My question is, is it worth going after > the actual naturalization records? Will they have specific information > about their date & place of birth, and date of immigration? And where > would > these records be held? > > > > Thanks, > > Claudia > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello, As I have gotten deeper into my genealogy research, the thing that I find most fascinating is putting my ancestors into social and historical context. I have started a blog about using social history in genealogy. Along with posts about social history, I will also include websites and events (in the greater Boston area) that are relevant to social historians/genealogists. The first few posts will be somewhat basic, but once I get past the basics and start blogging about sources and how to use them to add context I think you will find it quite interesting. Please stop by and take a look at http://bridgingthepast.com/blog/ Looking forward to your comments. Lori Lyn

I trust you are all helping clear the sidewalks for us late-arrivers? Sent from my iPad On Jan 11, 2013, at 8:52 PM, pgarratt@gessert.us wrote: > > > I drove here from San Francisco and arrived about 3 hours ago. It's definitely cold with about 6-8 inches of slushy snow on the ground. Waterproof shoes/boots are a must. > -----Original Message----- > From: "Sue Masse" <jns@wvi.com> > Subject: Re: [TGF] FHL Closed for snow at 2 pm today > > > > Thanks for all the good advice. I am crocheting gloves and a hat, should > be done before I leave. Am trying to find a coat to borrow, because I > really have no need for one here. If it's that cold, it's too cold to > drive, IMHO. > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good caveat; thank you.   "We are students and teachers to each other."    -----Original Message----- From: "eshown" [eshown@comcast.net] Date: 01/11/2013 04:25 PM To: Transitional-Genealogists-Forum@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TGF] Reprinting info from another website > since an educational context is rarely considered a commercial market, where attribution is given, I would think one would be safe from a law-suit. And, deterrence from a law-suit is what copyright law is all about. Allow me to add a caveat to this, please. Legally, copyright is all about what is legally actionable, yes. But there's an ethical issue involved as well when one is considering the "marketplace." When Teacher A in a local forum--be it in a classroom or a society meeting--uses without permission the material of Presenter B from a national conference or institute, that use is not just a localized action that has no broader implication. All too often, some of the local attendees manage to leave that venue without realizing the identity of the individual who actually created the material--or without realizing exactly who created what portions of. Depending upon the formatting of Teacher A's handout, in which Presenter B's material was incorporated, society editors can and do end up copying portions of the handout into their newsletters with the material miscredited--and that newsletter can and does, all too often, end up online with Presenter B's material credited to Teacher A. Subsequently, some of those students and society members then go to a conference or an institute, where they attend the presentation of the person who created that material in the first place. Or, the area society brings in that presenter. The attendees recognize the duplication of the material when they hear it repeated and, all too often, they will use conference critiques or the Internet to express their disappointment that Presenter B offered "just a rehash of what we've already heard from our local Teacher A." On occasion, those dissatisfied individuals have even accused Presenter B of using Teacher A's material. The bottom line is this: A. If we are teaching others, we should have enough experience to be able to present our own material. (I'm tempted to put that point in all caps. :) B. If, under extenuating circumstances, we would like to use something truly unique that was created by another speaker, then--as Tom and Elissa have pointed out--we should ask. C. If we are the person who is asked and we give our permission (which I frequently do), it is wise to make two stipulations: 1. Our material should be reproduced as an image copy, with no additions or alterations; or 2. If a small portion of our material needs to be reformatted for, say, incorporation into a larger handout, then the redo should be sent back to us to make sure all important nuances have been preserved and no misinterpretation has found its way into the redo. (As you probably assume, I'm speaking from both experience and observation.) Elizabeth ---------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG www.HistoricPathways.com www.EvidenceExplained.com & for daily tips on sources and source usage: www.Facebook.com/EvidenceExplained. The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message    

I'm no authority on copyright, but in my academic career --- virtually my entire adult life ---- I never encountered an exception for teaching materials. (Textbooks, for example, clearly are copyright protected.) The only exception was the general one for a fair-use context. Fair use involves a one-time use and limited distribution. The university would not allow us to copy articles for classes, for example, but it would allow us to make one copy and to put it on reserve for students to read. --- Tom On 1/11/2013 4:31 PM, Rondina Muncy wrote: > On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 12:09 PM, M. A. Beldin <mabeldin@gmail.com> wrote: > >> My apologies to Elissa for not asking permission either. Because I found >> the form in a "teaching" format, it did not dawn on me I should request >> permission to use it. I will seek forgiveness and permission in an off-list >> email. >> > This was an interesting comment to read because just today I heard the > statement that if more than what would be considered fair use was taken > from a 'teaching' format---it was fine and dandy. I thought that odd since > I assumed that all teaching materials, no matter what the form, were also > fully protected by copyright law. Are there any exceptions to the use of > 'teaching' materials outside the normal terms of fair use? (Tom? Elissa?) > > Rondina > _______________________ > Rondina P. Muncy > Ancestral Analysis > 4008 Linden Avenue > Fort Worth, Texas 76107 > 682.224.6584 > rondina.muncy@gmail.com > www.ancestralanalysis.com > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sue: You should look at the forcast for SLC next week. It might get above freezing for a high by the end of the week. Don't you want to hit the ligrary at least once? Chris Green >From Coastal California where it is seldom cold enough for a winter coat. -----Original Message----- From: Sue Masse <jns@wvi.com> To: transitional-genealogists-forum <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, Jan 11, 2013 4:08 pm Subject: Re: [TGF] FHL Closed for snow at 2 pm today I'm from Oregon, and we really don't get much winter weather. Even in the Cascade Foothills, I've only had to scrape ice from the windshield two or three times this winter. Going to SLIG next week---and I don't own a coat, just a sweater. Do not intend to go outside if it's snowing LOL Sue On 1/11/2013 2:34 PM, cmproctor1@frontier.com wrote: > Being from the midwest and going to SLC only four times in my life, I thought they had a pretty good handle on snow removal. Guess this must be pretty serious. > > Now to the envy of those in that area... it is a nice 66 degrees here, partly cloudy, and I've been to my local genealogy library without the burden of wearing a coat. > > We get the reality check in the next few days with temperatures in the 30s and maybe some snow. But the brief springtime spell has been most enjoyable. > > Good luck to those in Utah. > > Cheryl Proctor > Southern Indiana > > > ________________________________ > From: Patricia Kinzie <pat.kinzie@gmail.com> > To: "Transitional-Genealogists-Forum@rootsweb.com" <Transitional-Genealogists-Forum@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 4:29 PM > Subject: [TGF] FHL Closed for snow at 2 pm today > > Warning for anyone coming to SLC...check weather. > Pat > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- Susan Wallace Masse A Bridge to the Past The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I bought a coat for my first winter trip to SLC. That is the only place it has been used, but I was REAL glad to have it in SLC. I even learned that what East Texas retailers refer to as "a heavy winter coat" isn't heavy enough for real winter weather in a mountainous region. Even if it isn't snowing it is cold, sometimes windy, and you won't be able to join groups for lunch or dinner outside of the hotel without a coat. Take gloves, too. Just advice from someone else who isn't used to cold winters and would have deeply regretted being in SLC in January with no coat ... Regards, Debbie Debbie Parker Wayne, CG(SM) -- Wayne Research <http://debbiewayne.com/> -- Deb's Delvings Blog <http://debsdelvings.blogspot.com/> CG and Certified Genealogist are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists®, used under license by associates who meet prescribed genealogical competency standards. Sue Masse wrote on 1/11/2013 6:06 PM: > .... Going to SLIG next week---and I don't > own a coat, just a sweater. > ...

I drove here from San Francisco and arrived about 3 hours ago. It's definitely cold with about 6-8 inches of slushy snow on the ground. Waterproof shoes/boots are a must. -----Original Message----- From: "Sue Masse" <jns@wvi.com> Subject: Re: [TGF] FHL Closed for snow at 2 pm today Thanks for all the good advice. I am crocheting gloves and a hat, should be done before I leave. Am trying to find a coat to borrow, because I really have no need for one here. If it's that cold, it's too cold to drive, IMHO.

Thanks for all the good advice. I am crocheting gloves and a hat, should be done before I leave. Am trying to find a coat to borrow, because I really have no need for one here. If it's that cold, it's too cold to drive, IMHO. And you're correct, I will want to go to the library and meet outside the hotel. Layers, I can do. Thanks Sue

> since an educational context is rarely considered a commercial market, where attribution is given, I would think one would be safe from a law-suit. And, deterrence from a law-suit is what copyright law is all about. Allow me to add a caveat to this, please. Legally, copyright is all about what is legally actionable, yes. But there's an ethical issue involved as well when one is considering the "marketplace." When Teacher A in a local forum--be it in a classroom or a society meeting--uses without permission the material of Presenter B from a national conference or institute, that use is not just a localized action that has no broader implication. All too often, some of the local attendees manage to leave that venue without realizing the identity of the individual who actually created the material--or without realizing exactly who created what portions of. Depending upon the formatting of Teacher A's handout, in which Presenter B's material was incorporated, society editors can and do end up copying portions of the handout into their newsletters with the material miscredited--and that newsletter can and does, all too often, end up online with Presenter B's material credited to Teacher A. Subsequently, some of those students and society members then go to a conference or an institute, where they attend the presentation of the person who created that material in the first place. Or, the area society brings in that presenter. The attendees recognize the duplication of the material when they hear it repeated and, all too often, they will use conference critiques or the Internet to express their disappointment that Presenter B offered "just a rehash of what we've already heard from our local Teacher A." On occasion, those dissatisfied individuals have even accused Presenter B of using Teacher A's material. The bottom line is this: A. If we are teaching others, we should have enough experience to be able to present our own material. (I'm tempted to put that point in all caps. :) B. If, under extenuating circumstances, we would like to use something truly unique that was created by another speaker, then--as Tom and Elissa have pointed out--we should ask. C. If we are the person who is asked and we give our permission (which I frequently do), it is wise to make two stipulations: 1. Our material should be reproduced as an image copy, with no additions or alterations; or 2. If a small portion of our material needs to be reformatted for, say, incorporation into a larger handout, then the redo should be sent back to us to make sure all important nuances have been preserved and no misinterpretation has found its way into the redo. (As you probably assume, I'm speaking from both experience and observation.) Elizabeth ---------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG www.HistoricPathways.com www.EvidenceExplained.com & for daily tips on sources and source usage: www.Facebook.com/EvidenceExplained.

Prepare for highs of low 20s all week, and lows in single digits (or negative). Only a few inches of snow (so far), but traffic is barely moving, side roads are terrible, lots of accidents, and I didn't go to the FHL today. Not worth it. Rick Saunders -----Original Message----- From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sue Masse Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 5:06 PM To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TGF] FHL Closed for snow at 2 pm today I'm from Oregon, and we really don't get much winter weather. Even in the Cascade Foothills, I've only had to scrape ice from the windshield two or three times this winter. Going to SLIG next week---and I don't own a coat, just a sweater. Do not intend to go outside if it's snowing LOL Sue

Among other things, ESM said: ----- Original Message ----- From: "eshown" <eshown@comcast.net> The bottom line is this: A. If we are teaching others, we should have enough experience to be able to present our own material. (I'm tempted to put that point in all caps. :) Amen! I have seen a couple of folks recently who have attended a few lectures or courses and suddenly have a whole stable of presentations that look suspiciously like the few lectures or courses they attended..... best regards, Dee

Bring lots of layers. It is cold in SLC. On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 4:32 PM, <candmres@aol.com> wrote: > > Sue: > > You should look at the forcast for SLC next week. It might get above > freezing for a high by the end of the week. Don't you want to hit the > ligrary at least once? > > Chris Green > >From Coastal California where it is seldom cold enough for a winter coat. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sue Masse <jns@wvi.com> > To: transitional-genealogists-forum < > transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Fri, Jan 11, 2013 4:08 pm > Subject: Re: [TGF] FHL Closed for snow at 2 pm today > > > I'm from Oregon, and we really don't get much winter weather. Even in > the Cascade Foothills, I've only had to scrape ice from the windshield > two or three times this winter. Going to SLIG next week---and I don't > own a coat, just a sweater. > > Do not intend to go outside if it's snowing LOL > > Sue > > On 1/11/2013 2:34 PM, cmproctor1@frontier.com wrote: > > Being from the midwest and going to SLC only four times in my life, I > thought > they had a pretty good handle on snow removal. Guess this must be pretty > serious. > > > > Now to the envy of those in that area... it is a nice 66 degrees here, > partly > cloudy, and I've been to my local genealogy library without the burden of > wearing a coat. > > > > We get the reality check in the next few days with temperatures in the > 30s and > maybe some snow. But the brief springtime spell has been most enjoyable. > > > > Good luck to those in Utah. > > > > Cheryl Proctor > > Southern Indiana > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Patricia Kinzie <pat.kinzie@gmail.com> > > To: "Transitional-Genealogists-Forum@rootsweb.com" < > Transitional-Genealogists-Forum@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 4:29 PM > > Subject: [TGF] FHL Closed for snow at 2 pm today > > > > Warning for anyone coming to SLC...check weather. > > Pat > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > > > > > > -- > Susan Wallace Masse > A Bridge to the Past > > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Anne Mitchell http://finding-forgotten-stories.com

I'm from Oregon, and we really don't get much winter weather. Even in the Cascade Foothills, I've only had to scrape ice from the windshield two or three times this winter. Going to SLIG next week---and I don't own a coat, just a sweater. Do not intend to go outside if it's snowing LOL Sue On 1/11/2013 2:34 PM, cmproctor1@frontier.com wrote: > Being from the midwest and going to SLC only four times in my life, I thought they had a pretty good handle on snow removal. Guess this must be pretty serious. > > Now to the envy of those in that area... it is a nice 66 degrees here, partly cloudy, and I've been to my local genealogy library without the burden of wearing a coat. > > We get the reality check in the next few days with temperatures in the 30s and maybe some snow. But the brief springtime spell has been most enjoyable. > > Good luck to those in Utah. > > Cheryl Proctor > Southern Indiana > > > ________________________________ > From: Patricia Kinzie <pat.kinzie@gmail.com> > To: "Transitional-Genealogists-Forum@rootsweb.com" <Transitional-Genealogists-Forum@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 4:29 PM > Subject: [TGF] FHL Closed for snow at 2 pm today > > Warning for anyone coming to SLC...check weather. > Pat > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- Susan Wallace Masse A Bridge to the Past

In my humble opinion, it is, of course, morally polite and technically legal necessary to ask first--and it may keep you out of trouble; who knows what author may object to the context in which someone else is presenting and crediting a source that is educational?  Secondly, since an educational context is rarely considered a commercial market, where attribution is given, I would think one would be safe from a law-suit.  And, deterrence from a law-suit is what copyright law is all about.  As former professor and advisor to a student club who showed a movie on campus without charging for it, the distributor with copyright authority challenged us, and won, for not paying them the fee. Sharon Whitney   "We are students and teachers to each other."    -----Original Message----- From: "Elissa Scalise Powell, CG, CGL" [Elissa@powellgenealogy.com] Date: 01/11/2013 11:26 AM To: Transitional-Genealogists-Forum@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TGF] Reprinting info from another website Margie, No worries. As you said it is in an educational venue but even there it is still nice to consult with the author to see if there are any updates or late-breaking news on the topic. As Tom and I mentioned it could have other benefits in networking and relationships. See, now we are relating! <G> If the handout was presented on a screen as part of your presentation, that is fair use for education with no real permission needed. Whenever we reproduce and distribute someone else's work, even for educational use, that is considered "publishing." Permission for "publishing" may be included with the original material (as Dick Eastman's blog gives permission with attribution). Sometimes permission for "publishing" is for personal use only. Note that publishing, paraphrasing, or extracting without attribution is plagiarism which is a different thing and does not get anyone off the hook for copyright considerations. It is because this is so important in doing things to a professional level that Judy Russell (aka "The Legal Genealogist") will be doing a lecture in the Professional Genealogy course at IGHR at Samford University in June. Best wishes as you continue to educate your society, -- Elissa Elissa Scalise Powell, CG, CGL www.PowellGenealogy.com www.GRIPitt.org registration opens 7 Feb 2013 CG, Certified Genealogist, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are Service Marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic evaluations by the Board and the board name is a trademark registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. > -----Original Message----- > From: On Behalf Of M. A. Beldin > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 1:10 PM > > My apologies to Elissa for not asking permission either. Because I found the form in a > "teaching" format, it did not dawn on me I should request permission to use it. I will seek > forgiveness and permission in an off-list email. > > I will qualify in the society blog the meaning of "intermediate". I did speak to that during > my presentation helping the audience understand each of us has experience in different > areas thus making us a beginner in one area but an intermediate or advanced genealogist in > another. The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message    

On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 12:09 PM, M. A. Beldin <mabeldin@gmail.com> wrote: > My apologies to Elissa for not asking permission either. Because I found > the form in a "teaching" format, it did not dawn on me I should request > permission to use it. I will seek forgiveness and permission in an off-list > email. > This was an interesting comment to read because just today I heard the statement that if more than what would be considered fair use was taken from a 'teaching' format---it was fine and dandy. I thought that odd since I assumed that all teaching materials, no matter what the form, were also fully protected by copyright law. Are there any exceptions to the use of 'teaching' materials outside the normal terms of fair use? (Tom? Elissa?) Rondina _______________________ Rondina P. Muncy Ancestral Analysis 4008 Linden Avenue Fort Worth, Texas 76107 682.224.6584 rondina.muncy@gmail.com www.ancestralanalysis.com

As a general rule, ask yourself 3 questions: 1. Is the information in a tangible form (includes sound recordings and electronic publishing)? 2. Was it placed in the tangible form after 1923? 3. Is the author someone other than the United States government? If the answer to all three is "yes," then it is PROBABLY copyrighted; it doesn't matter what the original use was. There are exceptions, of course, but the safest course is to assume that it is. Dave Liesse Skingco Services, LLC

Being from the midwest and going to SLC only four times in my life, I thought they had a pretty good handle on snow removal.  Guess this must be pretty serious.   Now to the envy of those in that area... it is a nice 66 degrees here, partly cloudy, and I've been to my local genealogy library without the burden of wearing a coat.   We get the reality check in the next few days with temperatures in the 30s and maybe some snow.  But the brief springtime spell has been most enjoyable.   Good luck to those in Utah.   Cheryl Proctor Southern Indiana ________________________________ From: Patricia Kinzie <pat.kinzie@gmail.com> To: "Transitional-Genealogists-Forum@rootsweb.com" <Transitional-Genealogists-Forum@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 4:29 PM Subject: [TGF] FHL Closed for snow at 2 pm today Warning for anyone coming to SLC...check weather. Pat The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Margie, No worries. As you said it is in an educational venue but even there it is still nice to consult with the author to see if there are any updates or late-breaking news on the topic. As Tom and I mentioned it could have other benefits in networking and relationships. See, now we are relating! <G> If the handout was presented on a screen as part of your presentation, that is fair use for education with no real permission needed. Whenever we reproduce and distribute someone else's work, even for educational use, that is considered "publishing." Permission for "publishing" may be included with the original material (as Dick Eastman's blog gives permission with attribution). Sometimes permission for "publishing" is for personal use only. Note that publishing, paraphrasing, or extracting without attribution is plagiarism which is a different thing and does not get anyone off the hook for copyright considerations. It is because this is so important in doing things to a professional level that Judy Russell (aka "The Legal Genealogist") will be doing a lecture in the Professional Genealogy course at IGHR at Samford University in June. Best wishes as you continue to educate your society, -- Elissa Elissa Scalise Powell, CG, CGL www.PowellGenealogy.com www.GRIPitt.org registration opens 7 Feb 2013 CG, Certified Genealogist, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are Service Marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic evaluations by the Board and the board name is a trademark registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. > -----Original Message----- > From: On Behalf Of M. A. Beldin > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 1:10 PM > > My apologies to Elissa for not asking permission either. Because I found the form in a > "teaching" format, it did not dawn on me I should request permission to use it. I will seek > forgiveness and permission in an off-list email. > > I will qualify in the society blog the meaning of "intermediate". I did speak to that during > my presentation helping the audience understand each of us has experience in different > areas thus making us a beginner in one area but an intermediate or advanced genealogist in > another.