Has anyone looked at their lists of offerings and made a comparison? I subscribe to both newspaperarchive.com and genealogybank.com. Even at only $39, newspapers.com would have to offer what the other two did not have to draw my attention. I agree with your assessment of archive.com, and add worldvitalrecords.com to the list I tried and found not worth giving them my money. best regards, Dee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Molly" <mkcindc@yahoo.com> To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 4:09:16 AM Subject: [TGF] Opinions on newspapers.com? As you all know, there are lots if sites we can subscribe to. Given the discount Fold3 is offering to members for newspapers.com, I thought it prudent to leverage the collective wisdom of the group. Is an annual subscription worth it (for $40)? I do have one to newspaperarchive.com and have had great success - as long as the people I'm looking for we're in one of the major cities. Would they be about the same? I ask bc I did get a subscription to Archives.com and have been very disappointed - at least for the people I need, they've had only the same index info I find on familysearch and ancestry. Thanks for your insights! ~KC~ www.finddeeperroots.com The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As you all know, there are lots if sites we can subscribe to. Given the discount Fold3 is offering to members for newspapers.com, I thought it prudent to leverage the collective wisdom of the group. Is an annual subscription worth it (for $40)? I do have one to newspaperarchive.com and have had great success - as long as the people I'm looking for we're in one of the major cities. Would they be about the same? I ask bc I did get a subscription to Archives.com and have been very disappointed - at least for the people I need, they've had only the same index info I find on familysearch and ancestry. Thanks for your insights! ~KC~ www.finddeeperroots.com

Thank you. Occasionally, I get in a "citation tangle" and can't see a clear direction! :) Sincerely, Melanie D. Holtz, CG Holtz Research Services 7283-102 NC Hwy 42 W, #402 Raleigh, NC 27603 Melanie@holtzresearch.com www.holtzresearch.com > From: eshown@comcast.net > To: melanie_holtz@hotmail.com; janneanjames1958@gmail.com > CC: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [TGF] Online Church History - how to cite? > Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 18:34:31 -0600 > > Melanie wrote: > >It's a history done by a local college student for a paper and put on the > internet. She did one for all the churches in this town. Perhaps I am > overthinking it but it's just not clear to me the appropriate way to go. > > Melanie, you may be right about the "overthinking." You have an authored > paper, and you have a website. That means you have two questions > > 1: What's essential for citing a paper that isn't published in print? > 2: What's essential for citing a website? > > It doesn't matter whether it's a church history, a funeral home history, or > a grocery store history. The basics are the same. > > Elizabeth > > ------------------------------------------------------- > Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG > www.HistoricPathways.com > www.EvidenceExplained.com > & for daily tips on records and record usage: > www.Facebook.com/EvidenceExplained. >

That's good. Pretty much what I had except I didn't have the author. It'll be clear enough to follow and that's the point anyway. Sincerely, Melanie D. Holtz, CG Holtz Research Services 7283-102 NC Hwy 42 W, #402 Raleigh, NC 27603 Melanie@holtzresearch.com www.holtzresearch.com Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 16:26:58 -0600 Subject: Re: [TGF] Online Church History - how to cite? From: librarytraveler@gmail.com To: melanie_holtz@hotmail.com CC: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Melanie -- What would be wrong with something like this? Job Bible, "History of the Anagram Baptist Church," _Anagram County Heritage_ (http://www.abcba.xyz : accessed 32 January 2013). If there were an underlying print publication, I would want to note that too with a semicolon after the parentheses ); citing and quoting Job Bible, _Our Church's Story_ (Privately printed, 2012). Harold On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Melanie D. Holtz CG <melanie_holtz@hotmail.com> wrote: I am not seeing an appropriate example in EE to create a citation for a church history found online. Can anyone offer some guidance? Sincerely, Melanie D. Holtz, CG Holtz Research Services 7283-102 NC Hwy 42 W, #402 Raleigh, NC 27603 Melanie@holtzresearch.com www.holtzresearch.com The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Harold Henderson midwestroots.net Research, Writing, and Brickwall Dismantling from Northwest Indiana Regularly Researching at the Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center Certified Genealogist (SM) No. 1029 Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists® used by the Board to identify its program of genealogical competency evaluation and used under license by the Board’s associates.

It's a history done by a local college student for a paper and put on the internet. She did one for all the churches in this town. Perhaps I am overthinking it but it's just not clear to me the appropriate way to go. Sincerely, Melanie D. Holtz, CG Holtz Research Services 7283-102 NC Hwy 42 W, #402 Raleigh, NC 27603 Melanie@holtzresearch.com www.holtzresearch.com Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 15:26:55 -0700 Subject: Re: [TGF] Online Church History - how to cite? From: janneanjames1958@gmail.com To: melanie_holtz@hotmail.com CC: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Melanie, Is the history from digital images of a book, a history written by a parish member of a church website, from a wiki page, or a church bulletin? What exactly are you looking at? Jannean On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Melanie D. Holtz CG <melanie_holtz@hotmail.com> wrote: I am not seeing an appropriate example in EE to create a citation for a church history found online. Can anyone offer some guidance? Sincerely, Melanie D. Holtz, CG Holtz Research Services 7283-102 NC Hwy 42 W, #402 Raleigh, NC 27603 Melanie@holtzresearch.com www.holtzresearch.com The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am not seeing an appropriate example in EE to create a citation for a church history found online. Can anyone offer some guidance? Sincerely, Melanie D. Holtz, CG Holtz Research Services 7283-102 NC Hwy 42 W, #402 Raleigh, NC 27603 Melanie@holtzresearch.com www.holtzresearch.com

It happens to us all, Melanie. J esm From: Melanie D. Holtz CG [mailto:melanie_holtz@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 6:37 PM To: eshown@comcast.net Cc: Transitional Genealogists Subject: RE: [TGF] Online Church History - how to cite? Thank you. Occasionally, I get in a "citation tangle" and can't see a clear direction! :) Sincerely, Melanie D. Holtz, CG Holtz Research Services 7283-102 NC Hwy 42 W, #402 Raleigh, NC 27603 Melanie@holtzresearch.com www.holtzresearch.com > From: eshown@comcast.net > To: melanie_holtz@hotmail.com; janneanjames1958@gmail.com > CC: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [TGF] Online Church History - how to cite? > Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 18:34:31 -0600 > > Melanie wrote: > >It's a history done by a local college student for a paper and put on the > internet. She did one for all the churches in this town. Perhaps I am > overthinking it but it's just not clear to me the appropriate way to go. > > Melanie, you may be right about the "overthinking." You have an authored > paper, and you have a website. That means you have two questions > > 1: What's essential for citing a paper that isn't published in print? > 2: What's essential for citing a website? > > It doesn't matter whether it's a church history, a funeral home history, or > a grocery store history. The basics are the same. > > Elizabeth > > ------------------------------------------------------- > Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG > www.HistoricPathways.com > www.EvidenceExplained.com > & for daily tips on records and record usage: > www.Facebook.com/EvidenceExplained. >

Hello all, One of my email accounts was hacked so if you received an email from me with no subject, do not open it but delete it. I wanted to send this message via this forum as I often email people who are on this list. Sorry for any inconveniences. Diane L Giannini, CG Ancestry Sleuths *"CG" & "Certified Genealogist" are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, and are used by authorized associates following periodic, peer-reviewed competency evaluations

Melanie wrote: >It's a history done by a local college student for a paper and put on the internet. She did one for all the churches in this town. Perhaps I am overthinking it but it's just not clear to me the appropriate way to go. Melanie, you may be right about the "overthinking." You have an authored paper, and you have a website. That means you have two questions 1: What's essential for citing a paper that isn't published in print? 2: What's essential for citing a website? It doesn't matter whether it's a church history, a funeral home history, or a grocery store history. The basics are the same. Elizabeth ------------------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG www.HistoricPathways.com www.EvidenceExplained.com & for daily tips on records and record usage: www.Facebook.com/EvidenceExplained.

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Melanie -- What would be wrong with something like this? Job Bible, "History of the Anagram Baptist Church," _Anagram County Heritage_ (http://www.abcba.xyz : accessed 32 January 2013). If there were an underlying print publication, I would want to note that too with a semicolon after the parentheses ); citing and quoting Job Bible, _Our Church's Story_ (Privately printed, 2012). Harold On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Melanie D. Holtz CG < melanie_holtz@hotmail.com> wrote: > > I am not seeing an appropriate example in EE to create a citation for a > church history found online. Can anyone offer some guidance? > > > > > Sincerely, > > Melanie D. Holtz, CG > Holtz Research Services > 7283-102 NC Hwy 42 W, #402 > Raleigh, NC 27603 > Melanie@holtzresearch.com > www.holtzresearch.com > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Harold Henderson midwestroots.net Research, Writing, and Brickwall Dismantling from Northwest Indiana Regularly Researching at the Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center Certified Genealogist (SM) No. 1029 Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists® used by the Board to identify its program of genealogical competency evaluation and used under license by the Board’s associates.

Melanie, Is the history from digital images of a book, a history written by a parish member of a church website, from a wiki page, or a church bulletin? What exactly are you looking at? Jannean On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Melanie D. Holtz CG < melanie_holtz@hotmail.com> wrote: > > I am not seeing an appropriate example in EE to create a citation for a > church history found online. Can anyone offer some guidance? > > > > > Sincerely, > > Melanie D. Holtz, CG > Holtz Research Services > 7283-102 NC Hwy 42 W, #402 > Raleigh, NC 27603 > Melanie@holtzresearch.com > www.holtzresearch.com > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I took the plunge and signed up for the "Genealogy as a Profession" course today. It will be my first time at IGHR and I'm really looking forward to it. Pam Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:21:08 -0500 > From: "Elissa Scalise Powell, CG, CGL" <Elissa@powellgenealogy.com> > Subject: [TGF] IGHR classes filling! > To: "'TGF'" <TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-L@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <017001cdf8d5$a2eee4a0$e8ccade0$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > It is really telling when the only "chatter" about IGHR is on Facebook! > This > time-honored continuing education opportunity is usually at the top of the > list for every aspiring professional and yet no mention here. So far six of > the ten courses are full with waiting lists. You can see the update at the > bottom of http://www4.samford.edu/schools/ighr/index.html. > > > > Are many of you planning to go to IGHR? Or do you find limitations of time > and budget too much? To this end, the APG PMC in March asked me to do a > workshop on creating your own continuing education plan. Each attendee will > walk out with a filled-in plan with goals and specific opportunities to get > them closer to those goals. > > > > Hope to see you at future venues! > > > > -- Elissa > > > > > > Elissa Scalise Powell, CG, CGL > > www.PowellGenealogy.com > > www.GRIPitt.org registration opens 7 Feb 2013 > > CG, Certified Genealogist, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are > Service Marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under > license by board certificants after periodic evaluations by the Board and > the board name is a trademark registered in the US Patent and Trademark > Office. > >

"The same list was published in print a few decades ago. If I remember correctly, it was in the Georgia Genealogical Society's newsletter." I can't believe I can't remember that! (tee hee). That list is very interesting in that it has a ton more names on it than the list at the Columbia County Probate Court has. The list the court has is hand typed so I wonder if someone tried to copy all the names but just missed a few (like maybe a hundred). Obviously I missed this list on the Georgia Archives site but that doesn't surprise me. I have a love-hate relationship with their finding aids :) :) :) No matter! I will be going over to Morrow on Friday to see exactly what is in these loose papers. Maybe I will get lucky. Michele -----Original Message----- From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tom Jones Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 1:02 PM To: 'TGF Mailing List' Subject: Re: [TGF] an interesting find at the courthouse The list of Columbia County estates in the loose papers at the Georgia Archives has been published at least twice. The archives lists the files in its Columbia County collection of "Arranged Unbound Estate Records and Wills" online at http://www.sos.georgia.gov/archives/what_do_we_have/online_indexes/pdi/RG136 /136-02-001.htm. The same list was published in print a few decades ago. If I remember correctly, it was in the Georgia Genealogical Society's newsletter. Hundreds of Columbia County estates and guardianships covering 1789-1931 are filed separately and alphabetically in twenty-six numbered containers. My experience with the the files I've consulted is that they contain little that had not been recorded in various books at the courthouse (and on microfilm at the Georgia Archives and Family History Library). Other than the few papers I encountered that had not been recorded, the papers' greatest value to me was they contain original signatures and fewer copying errors than the books. Columbia County researchers are fortunate that this collection has been preserved. --- Tom Jones without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Elissa, I do find limitations of budget and time with IGHR. SLIG is closer to home. Would you consider them equivalent? I really enjoyed Josh Taylor's "Bridging the Gap" at SLIG this year. Are you talking about offering the education plan at Rootstech? I'm not sure what APG "PMC" is and where? I didn't find it on the website. It would be great if this workshop were offered on the BCG website. Pat Kinzie BU OL8

Yeah, she emailed me. I am a little dense today ☺ Michele From: Betsy R. Miller [mailto:betsy.r.miller@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 12:13 PM To: Michele Lewis Cc: Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist; TGF Mailing List Subject: Re: [TGF] an interesting find at the courthouse Michele, I think that Dee Dee meant you should explore transcribing/publishing the information from the "little loose leaf folder" at the Columbia County courthouse, rather than the multiple loose estate files at the Georgia Archives. It would be a real help - finding aids rock! Betsy Miller

Hello Michele, I wanted to add one thought-- if the Augusta you are referring to is the one in Georgia (not Maine or ... !), I know that the Augusta Genealogical Society is attempting to collect images of the title pages and family records from local family Bibles for their collection. I'm sure they'd be happy to have a copy of the pertinent pages. www.augustagensociety.org Juli On 1/22/2013 12:04 PM, Michele Lewis wrote: > There is a lady in Augusta that has possession of John Lewis? 1829 Bible. It has a TON of info in it. This person has never let anyone examine the Bible or photograph it. Many years ago an abstract she did was published in several periodicals and that is what I have had to work off of. I just got off the phone with the lady and she has given me permission to come to her house tomorrow to photograph the Bible! I explained to her that the abstract didn?t include the publication information for the Bible, I couldn?t see how the names were written in relation to each other (this is important because he had 4 wives and 15 children), and I couldn?t see the handwriting, was there more than one writer? In exchange, I am going to do some research for her in the early coroner records when I am at the courthouse today ?

Michele - I wouldn't expect to find references to this type of loose material in the GA Archives catalog. Check the online finding aids and descriptive inventories. I think the material you are interested in may be that described (with relevant personal names) in the finding aid labeled: Columbia County - Probate Court - Estate Records and Wills, 1789-1931; ID 136/2/1. Elizabeth Moye Decatur, GA

The list of Columbia County estates in the loose papers at the Georgia Archives has been published at least twice. The archives lists the files in its Columbia County collection of "Arranged Unbound Estate Records and Wills" online at http://www.sos.georgia.gov/archives/what_do_we_have/online_indexes/pdi/RG136/136-02-001.htm. The same list was published in print a few decades ago. If I remember correctly, it was in the Georgia Genealogical Society's newsletter. Hundreds of Columbia County estates and guardianships covering 1789-1931 are filed separately and alphabetically in twenty-six numbered containers. My experience with the the files I've consulted is that they contain little that had not been recorded in various books at the courthouse (and on microfilm at the Georgia Archives and Family History Library). Other than the few papers I encountered that had not been recorded, the papers' greatest value to me was they contain original signatures and fewer copying errors than the books. Columbia County researchers are fortunate that this collection has been preserved. --- Tom Jones On 1/23/2013 9:25 AM, Michele Lewis wrote: > I would really like to. There are approx. 80ish total folders. I will be copying 7 of them. I wish I lived closer to the Archives because this would be a great project since they are not microfilmed. It is a little over a two hour drive for me. When I get up there I will get a better idea of how much is actually in these 80ish folders. > > Michele > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist [mailto:king@forensicgenealogyservices.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 9:22 AM > To: Michele Lewis > Cc: TGF Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TGF] an interesting find at the courthouse > > And perhaps just as importantly, you should ask for permission to transcribe the information in the folder and publish it so others can find the documents. > > best regards, > > Dee > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michele Lewis" <ancestoring@gmail.com> > To: "TGF Mailing List" <transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 8:07:58 AM > Subject: [TGF] an interesting find at the courthouse > > I found something that the Columbia County courthouse by accident on one of my persons of interest. I was there for a totally different reason. On prior visits I had asked about loose probate papers/packets (intestate) and I have always been told that there aren't any (most of everything is in bound books but there should be some loose papers). The clerks said they knew nothing about it so I assumed they were lost. I had searched the vault myself and couldn't find any. The FHL has no microfilm of the loose probate packets. > > > > Yesterday I found a little loose leaf folder buried under a bunch of other stuff. Guess what it was. It was a catalog of the loose probate packets. > They were sent to the Georgia Archives years ago so the clerks didn't have a clue. This little folder listed ALL of the persons in the probate packets and exactly which boxes in the archives they are in. The individual papers are in files by person in the boxes. My person of interest, Calvin R. Lewis was on the list. I have been trying to prove who his father was. Calvin was only 26 at the time of his death in 1851. I am hoping, praying, that his father (who I think his father is) or one of that man's known sons was listed as the administrator which will help me solidify the bond (I do have other evidence but more evidence would be good). > > > > So, I guess I will be going to the GA Archives this Friday or next Friday. > I had checked the GA archives card catalog but I think it is very user unfriendly and I didn't see it. > > > > Michele >

Ditto on that for me. I signed up yesterday for the "Reading German Records" class. I can't wait! Lisa Gorrell On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Pam Holland <pamela.holland@verizon.net>wrote: > I took the plunge and signed up for the "Genealogy as a Profession" course > today. It will be my first time at IGHR and I'm really looking forward to > it. > > Pam > > > Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:21:08 -0500 > > From: "Elissa Scalise Powell, CG, CGL" <Elissa@powellgenealogy.com> > > Subject: [TGF] IGHR classes filling! > > To: "'TGF'" <TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-L@rootsweb.com> > > Message-ID: <017001cdf8d5$a2eee4a0$e8ccade0$@com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > It is really telling when the only "chatter" about IGHR is on Facebook! > > This > > time-honored continuing education opportunity is usually at the top of > the > > list for every aspiring professional and yet no mention here. So far six > of > > the ten courses are full with waiting lists. You can see the update at > the > > bottom of http://www4.samford.edu/schools/ighr/index.html. > > > > > > > > Are many of you planning to go to IGHR? Or do you find limitations of > time > > and budget too much? To this end, the APG PMC in March asked me to do a > > workshop on creating your own continuing education plan. Each attendee > will > > walk out with a filled-in plan with goals and specific opportunities to > get > > them closer to those goals. > > > > > > > > Hope to see you at future venues! > > > > > > > > -- Elissa > > > > > > > > > > > > Elissa Scalise Powell, CG, CGL > > > > www.PowellGenealogy.com > > > > www.GRIPitt.org registration opens 7 Feb 2013 > > > > CG, Certified Genealogist, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are > > Service Marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under > > license by board certificants after periodic evaluations by the Board and > > the board name is a trademark registered in the US Patent and Trademark > > Office. > > > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >