NPM wrote: >While I haven't looked for a while, on Google Books I recall seeing census department compilations for past years with statistics in them which might show you some trends. Again, I specifically didn't see any for the 1800s .... Copious statistical data for the censuses of the 1800s is available as published government documents. By the latter 1800s, the period of Michelle's interest, there were MANY volumes per census year. These statistics include mortality patterns and marital patterns--many tables each. I do not, however, recall seeing the kind of patterns that Michelle inquired about and I'm seriously doubtful that they could be drawn from the census data. When I have needed that kind of historical context, I have turned to those history journals that specialize in "history of the family," as others earlier recommended. The studies there will be random, geographically and ethnically, but they are insightful. At the link below, the Census Bureau provides downloadable copies of each statistical volume for each census year through 2010. http://www.census.gov/prod/www/abs/decennial/ Elizabeth --------------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG www.HistoricPathways.com www.EvidenceExplained.com & for daily tips on records and record usage: www.Facebook.com/EvidenceExplained

Michele, While I haven't looked for a while, on Google Books I recall seeing census department compilations for past years with statistics in them which might show you some trends. Again, I specifically didn't see any for the 1800s .... NPM On 1/30/2013 1:52 PM, Michele Lewis wrote: > Melanie, Harold and Michael, > Thanks for the advice. I haven’t found exactly what I am looking for but I am getting a lot closer on the search engines you recommended. I only need to tweak my search criteria and I should have it ☺ > > Michele > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I don't know the situation of the OP, maybe she is a professional trying to make a go of it, and maybe she is not. I just wanted to say that there are many small genealogical societies that have members give presentations on different topics, and most of these members are not professionals. For instance, my local chapter has a member who is encharge of planning the program for each meeting. Some times he has a speaker come in, others it is a vidoe he thinks may be of interest to the group, and other he talks about things he has learned. He is not a professional, nor does he ever intend to be. To me, if he explains about Elizabeth Shown Mills Fan Club, or Dear Myrt's Pinball Principle, it is simply exposing the members to ideas that will help them in their research. He isn't really teaching the principles, he is telling people what is out there to help them, and they can go explore it further. It would be different if he were a professional and taking these ideas and presenting them as his own, or really teaching them. He hasn't taught on any of these subjects, I was just giving an example. Melissa Smith Skype: saddlebred26 Twitter: @saddlebred26 <http://www.twitter.com/saddlebred26> Facebook: Melissa Smith <http://www.facebook.com/saddlebred26> On 1/31/2013 8:10 AM, Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist wrote: > I hope that Elizabeth doesn't mind my piggy-backing on her statement in this thread to make some parallel observations. [In general, NOT in response to Margie.] > > <<----- Original Message ----- > From: "eshown" <eshown@comcast.net> > > If we feel that we are having to make an awful lot of attributions in our presentation, then our inner-self is likely telling us that we need to use fewer ideas from other speakers and use more material of our own development.>> > > This statement applies on a broader scale. We all have to start somewhere, whether writing articles, teaching, or offering services. To be the most successful, we should offer our own ideas, knowledge, experiences, lessons learned, discoveries, unique qualifications, the applied knowledge we learned in our education from other sources. > > I think it's a pretty correct observation that the interest in professional genealogy has been a head-long rush in the past few years. A correlation has been that some folks have also been in a head-long rush to establish themselves. These old saws probably sound corny - You have to start at the bottom, you have you pay your dues, you have to work your way up. But in life they are pretty much true. > > As entrepreneurs, we don't have a supervisor's annual performance report that evaluates our progress. We probably don't participate in team discussions about how our products or services can be improved. We probably don't have a vetting process for what we write about ourselves or our products and services. If we don't find outside sources to help us with these things, then we have to step back, take a third-party stance, and really scrutinize what we're putting out there. > > We have to ask ourselves the hard questions. If I read a bunch of books/articles/blogs/journals, combine the thoughts/words of the other authors and re-word them, am I reeeeallly ready to write about the subject? If I take a class on a subject that is new to me, and took very good notes, am I reeeeallly ready to go offer my services teaching that subject? If I am trying to build a client base and I see services or specialties for which I have no education or experience, is it reeeeallly OK to tell folks I am qualified, a leader, the client's best resource? > > An example - If we must visit websites of established professionals and plagiarize their descriptions of their services in order to tell our potential clients what services we want to offer, then we don't have enough experience or knowledge about the service to offer it. If we cannot define the service or specialty in our own words, if we cannot use our own knowledge and experience to describe how we will provide that service/specialty to our clients, are we reeeeallly ready? > > IMHO, not paying enough attention to these questions can come back to bite us. > > All of us want to be on a fast track to establishing our careers. BUT - we have to be aware of the mine fields if we rush head-long without those honest appraisals. Otherwise, we risk a cloud of doubt on our honesty and integrity, alienation of colleagues and clients, possibly ruining a potential career. > > best regards, > Dee > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Against my better judgment, I'm going to step in . . . and probably step in it as well. This is coming from my perspective as someone who has entered the genealogy field "professionally" over the past five years. I do agree that there needs to be a firm foundation upon which one should build their reputation and career. I don't always agree that there is "one true path" to doing this. I always want to be a better genealogist and I am willing to work on my craft to do this. Keep in mind this is coming from me - some would say I've built a fairly successful business and reputation and many feel I haven't "paid my dues" or that I've come to this "too quickly" - believe me I hear it behind my back and to my face and I just let it fall away. I've become comfortable being misunderstood, talked down to etc. Basically I'm too busy making things and doing work to care. Validation is for parking. What have I learned the most over these past five years? 1. There Is Nothing Original. "There is nothing new under the sun." (Ecclesiastes 1:9) Everything is basically a remix of what already is - I curate the information I find and add my touch to it. I am a remix of my parents, and hopefully the best parts. This doesn't mean I take content from others - I let the work of others inspire me. I give credit where I can and I understand what copyright is as well as trademark. 2. Fake It 'Til You Make It. This will probably cause the most consternation, gnashing of teeth and pulling of hair here, but it holds true at least for me. I don't mean to say that someone should misrepresent themselves as a CG when they aren't. Or that they are expert in an area of genealogy when they aren't. "Dress for the job you want, not the job you have." My resource for many of my ideas in the genealogy field is "Steal Like an Artist" by Austin Kleon which speaks to creativity in a digital world but in general serves as my inspiration. I strongly suggest it for anyone who is looking to forge their own path in any established profession. http://www.austinkleon.com/2011/03/30/how-to-steal-like-an-artist-and-9-othe r-things-nobody-told-me/ Just some food for thought - I'm not trying to stir the pot here, just wanting to offer a different perspective. As I leave I want to make it clear: I believe in the solid work that many before me have put into developing the Genealogy Proof Standard and other touchstones that should guide all genealogists. I just see things differently when it comes to how to a) attract new people to the genealogy and family history field and b) how people can share their family history research. Solid research will always rule and will always sustain. I don't seek to change that. Thomas MacEntee Founder, High-Definition Genealogy http://hidefgen.com +1 (773) 661-3080 -----Original Message----- From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 8:11 AM To: Transitional-Genealogists-Forum@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TGF] When is a phrase copyrighted? I hope that Elizabeth doesn't mind my piggy-backing on her statement in this thread to make some parallel observations. [In general, NOT in response to Margie.] <<----- Original Message ----- From: "eshown" <eshown@comcast.net> If we feel that we are having to make an awful lot of attributions in our presentation, then our inner-self is likely telling us that we need to use fewer ideas from other speakers and use more material of our own development.>> This statement applies on a broader scale. We all have to start somewhere, whether writing articles, teaching, or offering services. To be the most successful, we should offer our own ideas, knowledge, experiences, lessons learned, discoveries, unique qualifications, the applied knowledge we learned in our education from other sources. I think it's a pretty correct observation that the interest in professional genealogy has been a head-long rush in the past few years. A correlation has been that some folks have also been in a head-long rush to establish themselves. These old saws probably sound corny - You have to start at the bottom, you have you pay your dues, you have to work your way up. But in life they are pretty much true. As entrepreneurs, we don't have a supervisor's annual performance report that evaluates our progress. We probably don't participate in team discussions about how our products or services can be improved. We probably don't have a vetting process for what we write about ourselves or our products and services. If we don't find outside sources to help us with these things, then we have to step back, take a third-party stance, and really scrutinize what we're putting out there. We have to ask ourselves the hard questions. If I read a bunch of books/articles/blogs/journals, combine the thoughts/words of the other authors and re-word them, am I reeeeallly ready to write about the subject? If I take a class on a subject that is new to me, and took very good notes, am I reeeeallly ready to go offer my services teaching that subject? If I am trying to build a client base and I see services or specialties for which I have no education or experience, is it reeeeallly OK to tell folks I am qualified, a leader, the client's best resource? An example - If we must visit websites of established professionals and plagiarize their descriptions of their services in order to tell our potential clients what services we want to offer, then we don't have enough experience or knowledge about the service to offer it. If we cannot define the service or specialty in our own words, if we cannot use our own knowledge and experience to describe how we will provide that service/specialty to our clients, are we reeeeallly ready? IMHO, not paying enough attention to these questions can come back to bite us. All of us want to be on a fast track to establishing our careers. BUT - we have to be aware of the mine fields if we rush head-long without those honest appraisals. Otherwise, we risk a cloud of doubt on our honesty and integrity, alienation of colleagues and clients, possibly ruining a potential career. best regards, Dee The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I hope that Elizabeth doesn't mind my piggy-backing on her statement in this thread to make some parallel observations. [In general, NOT in response to Margie.] <<----- Original Message ----- From: "eshown" <eshown@comcast.net> If we feel that we are having to make an awful lot of attributions in our presentation, then our inner-self is likely telling us that we need to use fewer ideas from other speakers and use more material of our own development.>> This statement applies on a broader scale. We all have to start somewhere, whether writing articles, teaching, or offering services. To be the most successful, we should offer our own ideas, knowledge, experiences, lessons learned, discoveries, unique qualifications, the applied knowledge we learned in our education from other sources. I think it's a pretty correct observation that the interest in professional genealogy has been a head-long rush in the past few years. A correlation has been that some folks have also been in a head-long rush to establish themselves. These old saws probably sound corny - You have to start at the bottom, you have you pay your dues, you have to work your way up. But in life they are pretty much true. As entrepreneurs, we don't have a supervisor's annual performance report that evaluates our progress. We probably don't participate in team discussions about how our products or services can be improved. We probably don't have a vetting process for what we write about ourselves or our products and services. If we don't find outside sources to help us with these things, then we have to step back, take a third-party stance, and really scrutinize what we're putting out there. We have to ask ourselves the hard questions. If I read a bunch of books/articles/blogs/journals, combine the thoughts/words of the other authors and re-word them, am I reeeeallly ready to write about the subject? If I take a class on a subject that is new to me, and took very good notes, am I reeeeallly ready to go offer my services teaching that subject? If I am trying to build a client base and I see services or specialties for which I have no education or experience, is it reeeeallly OK to tell folks I am qualified, a leader, the client's best resource? An example - If we must visit websites of established professionals and plagiarize their descriptions of their services in order to tell our potential clients what services we want to offer, then we don't have enough experience or knowledge about the service to offer it. If we cannot define the service or specialty in our own words, if we cannot use our own knowledge and experience to describe how we will provide that service/specialty to our clients, are we reeeeallly ready? IMHO, not paying enough attention to these questions can come back to bite us. All of us want to be on a fast track to establishing our careers. BUT - we have to be aware of the mine fields if we rush head-long without those honest appraisals. Otherwise, we risk a cloud of doubt on our honesty and integrity, alienation of colleagues and clients, possibly ruining a potential career. best regards, Dee

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JSTOR is especially helpful in situations like these. They just added a slew of new journal articles, for those who didn't hear about it. Recently, I was able to get fantastic details from journals at JSTOE for a course I was writing on immigration and about French inheritance rights for a client project. Sincerely, Melanie D. Holtz, CG Holtz Research Services 7283-102 NC Hwy 42 W, #402 Raleigh, NC 27603 Melanie@holtzresearch.com www.holtzresearch.com > From: michael.hait@hotmail.com > To: ancestoring@gmail.com; transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 15:47:45 -0500 > Subject: Re: [TGF] an article for this? > > Try searching Google Scholar, JSTOR, Sage Publications, etc. > > If a study has been conducted, it would not likely appear in genealogical > literature, but more likely in a dissertation or a historical journal. > > Michael Hait, CG(sm) > michael.hait@hotmail.com > http://www.haitfamilyresearch.com > "Planting the Seeds" Blog: http://michaelhait.wordpress.com > > CG and Certified Genealogist are service marks of the Board for > Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants > after periodic competency evaluation, and the board name is registered in > the US Patent & Trademark Office. > -----Original Message----- > From: Michele Lewis > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 3:18 PM > To: TGF Mailing List > Subject: [TGF] an article for this? > > I am looking for an article or a book that has information about trends in > the 1800s where if the mother died leaving an infant, and the father was > also young, that the grandparents (or someone else) usually raised the > child, not the now single father. I have several examples of this in my > file but I am writing up something where I won't be able to just put > examples from my file, I need some sort of scholarly study or observations. > Has anyone seen something like this? I have tried doing a general Google > search, and searches on Google Book, InternetArchives and Family History > Books (FamilySearch). Trying to word the searches has been interesting. > > > > Michele > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

One I've used, but always with attribution when talking about putting family trees online: "I use mine for what Randy Seaver calls 'cousin bait.'" I love that phrase, but I've never separated it yet from Randy's name. On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 6:12 PM, eshown <eshown@comcast.net> wrote: > Margie wrote: > > My question is: when does a phrase become copyrighted? A pinball approach > I have heard attributed to other areas of life, a fan club is when a group > of people follow someone for some reason. So by adding the word "principle" > makes it copyrighted? or using the word fan as an acronym makes it > copyrighted, or using quotes? > > Margie, > > You are obviously treading carefully. That is a good approach for every > professional to take. When we are dealing with CONCEPTS, the issue is not > copyright. The issue is plagiarism. As Philip put it, the issue is 'moral' > rather than legal. > > (I don't know if you've seen it or not but, if you haven't, the subject of > EE's current QuickLesson 15: Plagiarism and the Five 'Copywrongs' of > Historical Writing" <www.EvidenceExplained.com> might help to clarify > these > issues for you.) > > Giving credit where due CAN get cumbersome. In a presentation in which you > use, say, the pinball concept that you've read about in Dear Myrt's blog, > you might introduce your discussion by saying something like, "Pat > Richley-Erickson, who blogs as Dear Myrtle, has developed a wonderful > concept that we can apply to this type of problem. . . ." Then you would > proceed to *briefly* summarize her ideas and then *at length* develop your > own. You would also want to place, on your handout, a full citation to the > online column in which Pat detailed her concept. > > You also mentioned developing something of your own that's based on my "FAN > Club Principle" in that same presentation. As you also noted, you > conscientiously contacted me for permission. (Thank you. :) > > Taking these two in tandem, I also sense in your query some puzzlement over > just how far one has to take this 'get permission' stuff. If we make a > presentation and we have to tell the group, "Pat Richley-Ericson developed > this concept ... ESM developed this concept, and the Board for > Certification > developed this other concept," then that could leave us, as a speaker, > feeling uncomfortable about how often we are having to make an attribution. > That, too, is a good thing. If we feel that we are having to make an awful > lot of attributions in our presentation, then our inner-self is likely > telling us that we need to use fewer ideas from other speakers and use more > material of our own development. > > An occasional exception to the last point might be an overtly "derivative" > presentation entitled: "The 5 Hottest Ideas in Genealogical Research: > Pinballs, FAN Clubs, GPS, Whatever & Yada Yada!" In this case, you would > logically present each hot idea, identify the person or agency who > developed > it, and then use your expertise to develop each point in your own way. > > Hope this helps. > > Elizabeth > --------------------------------------------- > Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG > www.HistoricPathways.com > www.EvidenceExplained.com > & for daily tips on records and record usage: > www.Facebook.com/EvidenceExplained > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Margie wrote: > My question is: when does a phrase become copyrighted? A pinball approach I have heard attributed to other areas of life, a fan club is when a group of people follow someone for some reason. So by adding the word "principle" makes it copyrighted? or using the word fan as an acronym makes it copyrighted, or using quotes? Margie, You are obviously treading carefully. That is a good approach for every professional to take. When we are dealing with CONCEPTS, the issue is not copyright. The issue is plagiarism. As Philip put it, the issue is 'moral' rather than legal. (I don't know if you've seen it or not but, if you haven't, the subject of EE's current QuickLesson 15: Plagiarism and the Five 'Copywrongs' of Historical Writing" <www.EvidenceExplained.com> might help to clarify these issues for you.) Giving credit where due CAN get cumbersome. In a presentation in which you use, say, the pinball concept that you've read about in Dear Myrt's blog, you might introduce your discussion by saying something like, "Pat Richley-Erickson, who blogs as Dear Myrtle, has developed a wonderful concept that we can apply to this type of problem. . . ." Then you would proceed to *briefly* summarize her ideas and then *at length* develop your own. You would also want to place, on your handout, a full citation to the online column in which Pat detailed her concept. You also mentioned developing something of your own that's based on my "FAN Club Principle" in that same presentation. As you also noted, you conscientiously contacted me for permission. (Thank you. :) Taking these two in tandem, I also sense in your query some puzzlement over just how far one has to take this 'get permission' stuff. If we make a presentation and we have to tell the group, "Pat Richley-Ericson developed this concept ... ESM developed this concept, and the Board for Certification developed this other concept," then that could leave us, as a speaker, feeling uncomfortable about how often we are having to make an attribution. That, too, is a good thing. If we feel that we are having to make an awful lot of attributions in our presentation, then our inner-self is likely telling us that we need to use fewer ideas from other speakers and use more material of our own development. An occasional exception to the last point might be an overtly "derivative" presentation entitled: "The 5 Hottest Ideas in Genealogical Research: Pinballs, FAN Clubs, GPS, Whatever & Yada Yada!" In this case, you would logically present each hot idea, identify the person or agency who developed it, and then use your expertise to develop each point in your own way. Hope this helps. Elizabeth --------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG www.HistoricPathways.com www.EvidenceExplained.com & for daily tips on records and record usage: www.Facebook.com/EvidenceExplained

Melanie, Harold and Michael, Thanks for the advice. I haven’t found exactly what I am looking for but I am getting a lot closer on the search engines you recommended. I only need to tweak my search criteria and I should have it ☺ Michele

John, Yes, it is for Native American Indians. Chuck Mason -----Original Message----- From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Johnny Bradley Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 2:41 PM To: transitional-genealogists-forum@rootsweb.com Subject: [TGF] Question about WWI Draft Registration On the U.S. WWI Draft Registration Cards there is a column for Indian. Can anyone tell me if this is Native American? Harry Chyde Manuel, Hickman, FUlton Co., Ky. born Jan 8, 1886, Race: White, Indian citizen. Johnny Bradley The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Try searching Google Scholar, JSTOR, Sage Publications, etc. If a study has been conducted, it would not likely appear in genealogical literature, but more likely in a dissertation or a historical journal. Michael Hait, CG(sm) michael.hait@hotmail.com http://www.haitfamilyresearch.com "Planting the Seeds" Blog: http://michaelhait.wordpress.com CG and Certified Genealogist are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic competency evaluation, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office. -----Original Message----- From: Michele Lewis Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 3:18 PM To: TGF Mailing List Subject: [TGF] an article for this? I am looking for an article or a book that has information about trends in the 1800s where if the mother died leaving an infant, and the father was also young, that the grandparents (or someone else) usually raised the child, not the now single father. I have several examples of this in my file but I am writing up something where I won't be able to just put examples from my file, I need some sort of scholarly study or observations. Has anyone seen something like this? I have tried doing a general Google search, and searches on Google Book, InternetArchives and Family History Books (FamilySearch). Trying to word the searches has been interesting. Michele The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am looking for an article or a book that has information about trends in the 1800s where if the mother died leaving an infant, and the father was also young, that the grandparents (or someone else) usually raised the child, not the now single father. I have several examples of this in my file but I am writing up something where I won't be able to just put examples from my file, I need some sort of scholarly study or observations. Has anyone seen something like this? I have tried doing a general Google search, and searches on Google Book, InternetArchives and Family History Books (FamilySearch). Trying to word the searches has been interesting. Michele

Michele -- In fact, following up on Michael's point, such an article might well appear in the other kind of "family history" that is a specialty in history or sociology, so if you can find a list of articles or journals in that domain, some browsing might pay off. If you don't mind sharing your finds I'm sure many of us would be interested! -- Harold On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Michael Hait <michael.hait@hotmail.com>wrote: > Try searching Google Scholar, JSTOR, Sage Publications, etc. > > If a study has been conducted, it would not likely appear in genealogical > literature, but more likely in a dissertation or a historical journal. > > Michael Hait, CG(sm) > michael.hait@hotmail.com > http://www.haitfamilyresearch.com > "Planting the Seeds" Blog: http://michaelhait.wordpress.com > > CG and Certified Genealogist are service marks of the Board for > Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants > after periodic competency evaluation, and the board name is registered in > the US Patent & Trademark Office. > -----Original Message----- > From: Michele Lewis > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 3:18 PM > To: TGF Mailing List > Subject: [TGF] an article for this? > > I am looking for an article or a book that has information about trends in > the 1800s where if the mother died leaving an infant, and the father was > also young, that the grandparents (or someone else) usually raised the > child, not the now single father. I have several examples of this in my > file but I am writing up something where I won't be able to just put > examples from my file, I need some sort of scholarly study or observations. > Has anyone seen something like this? I have tried doing a general Google > search, and searches on Google Book, InternetArchives and Family History > Books (FamilySearch). Trying to word the searches has been interesting. > > > > Michele > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Harold Henderson midwestroots.net Research, Writing, and Brickwall Dismantling from Northwest Indiana Regularly Researching at the Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center Certified Genealogist (SM) No. 1029 Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists® used by the Board to identify its program of genealogical competency evaluation and used under license by the Board’s associates.

A short phrase is not copyrightable in the US. However, a phrase can be trademarked. But the uses of a trademark and the protections it offers are quite different than what copyright offers. Here is a good primer on trademarks in the US: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/metaschool/fisher/domain/tm.htm The legal obligations aren't necessarily what you want to consider to be your moral obligations, though. Philip. On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 1:04 PM, < transitional-genealogists-forum-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > From: "M. A. Beldin" <mabeldin@gmail.com> > Subject: [TGF] When is a phrase copyrighted? > > Hello, > In my never-ending desire to use proper citations and not violate > people's copyright, I am still confused but trying to understand so that I > can instruct my genealogy society members. > > I am wondering when a perfectly normal English phrase becomes > copyrighted. > > For example, I have written to and received permission from Elizabeth > Shown Mills to use the phrase "FAN Club Principle" and the explanation in > my May presentation to my genie society. Of course, I will do this with > proper citation and I am always sure to actually say where I get my > information from. > > I now see where DearMyrtle has coined a phrase: "Principles of "The > Pinball Approach to Genealogical Research" in her Jan 20th and 23rd blogs > and this phrase was reused by Randy Seaver in GeneaMusings blog without a > footnoted citation but he did say he felt DearMyrtle had coined the phrase, > he mentioned when and where he heard her use this and another similar > phrase. > > I would love to use this phrase in my May presentation and I will be > seeking permission to use it and her explanation of what it means but > wonder if I am going too far in thinking I need to ask permission every > time someone utters some words in the English language. > > My question is: when does a phrase become copyrighted? A pinball approach > I have heard attributed to other areas of life, a fan club is when a group > of people follow someone for some reason. So by adding the word "principle" > makes it copyrighted? or using the word fan as an acronym makes it > copyrighted, or using quotes? > > And, BTW, I have received permission to explain the "FAN Club Principle" > as mentioned above, I will seek permission from DearMyrtle for use of her > phrase, and I was granted permission to use the late Sandra Luebking's > words "What's an "Intermediate"? Or should I take Course 1 or Course 2?" > found on the IGHR website as long as I give proper credit and citations. > > So I am learning, > Margie in Washington State > > > [image: My Family Tree] > > Margie STEIN Beldin, *Family Historian and Genealogist* >

On the U.S. WWI Draft Registration Cards there is a column for Indian. Can anyone tell me if this is Native American? Harry Chyde Manuel, Hickman, FUlton Co., Ky. born Jan 8, 1886, Race: White, Indian citizen. Johnny Bradley

Hello, In my never-ending desire to use proper citations and not violate people's copyright, I am still confused but trying to understand so that I can instruct my genealogy society members. I am wondering when a perfectly normal English phrase becomes copyrighted. For example, I have written to and received permission from Elizabeth Shown Mills to use the phrase "FAN Club Principle" and the explanation in my May presentation to my genie society. Of course, I will do this with proper citation and I am always sure to actually say where I get my information from. I now see where DearMyrtle has coined a phrase: "Principles of "The Pinball Approach to Genealogical Research" in her Jan 20th and 23rd blogs and this phrase was reused by Randy Seaver in GeneaMusings blog without a footnoted citation but he did say he felt DearMyrtle had coined the phrase, he mentioned when and where he heard her use this and another similar phrase. I would love to use this phrase in my May presentation and I will be seeking permission to use it and her explanation of what it means but wonder if I am going too far in thinking I need to ask permission every time someone utters some words in the English language. My question is: when does a phrase become copyrighted? A pinball approach I have heard attributed to other areas of life, a fan club is when a group of people follow someone for some reason. So by adding the word "principle" makes it copyrighted? or using the word fan as an acronym makes it copyrighted, or using quotes? And, BTW, I have received permission to explain the "FAN Club Principle" as mentioned above, I will seek permission from DearMyrtle for use of her phrase, and I was granted permission to use the late Sandra Luebking's words "What's an "Intermediate"? Or should I take Course 1 or Course 2?" found on the IGHR website as long as I give proper credit and citations. So I am learning, Margie in Washington State [image: My Family Tree] Margie STEIN Beldin, *Family Historian and Genealogist* *Researching STEIN (Scotland, Massachusetts), MOSSEY/MASSÉ/MACÉ (Quebec, New York, Vermont and Massachusetts), FORGEA/FORGET (Quebec, New York), JENKINS (England, Connecticut)* Member: TCGS, EWGS, BFHA, NNYACGS, VT-FCGS Blogs: http://beldinfamily.blogspot.com/ and Tri-City Genealogical Society: http://tcgs1961.blogspot.com/ * * My profiles: [image: Facebook]<http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=606872599> [image: Blogger] <http://beldinfamily.blogspot.com/> [image: Blogger]<http://tcgs1961.blogspot.com/>

Free FamilySearch Class (James Heddell) Will the class be available to download later? if how? Jeannette

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Excellent advice, Dee! Thanks for taking the time to post it. These are the kinds of things that most people *don't* think of until it is too late to prevent the problems. Elizabeth ---------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG www.HistoricPathways.com www.EvidenceExplained.com & for daily tips on records and record usage www.Facebook.com/EvidenceExplained -----Original Message----- From: transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:transitional-genealogists-forum-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 5:10 PM To: TGF Mailing List Subject: [TGF] interview learning experience Every now and again something happens, that when you stop being POd, you realize it might be one of those teachable moment things. Suggestions for folks doing interviews. Accurately quote your subject. Don't make up a question and "quote" for your subject after they've read and approved the final draft. Don't put words in their mouth. Don't use their quotes in other articles without their permission, especially if that article is promoting your own business. If you're writing a promotional piece for your business, don't name drop from among your professional colleagues. Don't name drop organizations to which you don't belong. If you do, make the clear distinction that you're not affiliated but do have a good reason to mention them. These things, at the very least, lead the reader to believe the individual or group was somehow a participant in the development of the article. Or at the worst, that the individual or organization endorses the subject of the article. Suggestions for folks getting interviewed. Agree to interview with whatever stipulations you feel best protect YOUR interest. Require the ability to see the final version that will be published. Insist that the content and your quotes are not be used for any other article without your advanced permission. Getting all this in writing, of course. All any of us have are our good names in this profession. I, for one, don't enjoy seeing my name show up, without my permission, in promotional pieces for other businesses, events, or organizations. best regards, Dee -- Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist (sm), Certificate 903 Contract Genealogist, US Navy Casualty POW/MIA Branch Co-Director, Forensic Genealogy Institute http://www.forensicgenealogists.com/forensic-genealogy-institute.html Mail address - PO Box 1085, Manvel TX 77578 Telephone/fax 281-595-3090 www.forensicgenealogyservices.com/NavyCasualty.html www.facebook.com/forensicgenealogist Certified Genealogist (CG) is a service mark (sm) of the Board for Certification of Genealogists®, conferred to associates who consistently meet ethical and competency standards in accord with peer-reviewed evaluations every five years, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office. The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message