Ann, Karen, and Chris, I appreciate your responses. I ordered the XC file from Suitland, Maryland. My local VA Service Officer helped me with the process, including how I should write the letter. When requesting about anything that is in the care and custody of the government ALWAYS invoke FIOA (Freedom of Information Act). It sounds crazy but when you invoke it that seems to get the ball rolling. Chris you inspired me to learn more about what XC stands for. First, Chris, VA stands for the Department of Veterans affairs. Second, I googled XC file VA and got the following, which I copied directly from the site: "When the VA receives proof of a veteran's death, that documentation IS associated with the file, which IS converted to an XC Folder through the addition of the prefix X In addition to containing the claims history of benefits for which each veteran applied during his/her lifetime, the XC Folder also documents the following benefit categories of death claims 1. Death Compensation 2. Pension 3. Accrued amounts 4. Insurance 5. Burial allowance 6. Dependency and indemnity compensation 7. Adjusted compensation 8. Dependents educational assistance The XC Folder contains all the information necessary to support the beneficiary's award transfer" Chris, these are the acronyms. Seems the Federal Government can't live without them. I know as I recently retired from the Federal Government. It would make your head spin with all the acronyms we used. I will add that this XC file has an enormous amount of information because the soldier kept applying for pensions. He would be denied and he would go right back and apply again. This started out an injury sustained when his horse was shot by the enemy and fell on the soldier as they both went down. There are doctors (surgeons) notes with the drawing showing where on his body is the injury. Does anyone else know if the other deponents were in a separate room when they gave their negative ceremony? I would like to know the process for applying for a claim and witnesses called in behalf of the soldier. Anyone out there who specializes in the Civil War pensions, or someone working for the VA? Cheryl Proctor Southern Indiana On Saturday, November 15, 2014 8:53 AM, Ann Gillespie via <[email protected]> wrote: When the various people were giving their statements, they were submitting statements not appearing at a hearing. Though it was more usual for the people giving statements to be in the same geographic area, that wasn't the case. I've seen files for veterans or surviving spouses who had moved across the country between their service and applying for the pension. So no, they were not giving statements in the presence of the applicant. Sometimes they were interviewed and the statement is in a question and answer format, but that is not always the case. Depending on their level of literacy, they might appear before a justice of the peace and have that person record their testimony or they might write out their statement and appear before a notary to attest to it being their statement and sign it in that person's presence. Some statements appear to just be letters written to the pension bureau - I remember seeing one that was written by the applicant of the letterhead of the drugstore he owned. I have seen a number of pension files with a list of people who had submitted affidavits or who needed to do so. At times, especially if there was a conflict, the list would also include a determination as to whether the statements submitted by each person could or should be considered credible. One of my great-grandfather's served for the Union and applied for a pension. He was injured in training and discharged for disability, but when he applied for the pension a question arose as to whether he had suffered a new injury or aggravated an injury from his childhood. He told a different story each time he submitted a statement, so on the list in his file everyone else is listed as credible but he is not. He was never able to qualify as having a disability stemming from his service and only qualified once the criteria changed to being disabled and having served, without the requirement of a link between the two. What we now refer to as the VA was established in 1921. Prior to that date, pensions were under the auspices of the Department of War. The Veteran's Bureau, as it was originally known, took over the administration of all of the pensions that were still active at the time and assigned them new file numbers to differentiate them. The C and XC numbers are those new numbers, so all of those files have original application and certificate numbers, but they are filed under the C or XC number. Theoretically, when the file is no longer active it is moved to the National Archives, but that process is not dependable. Many of these files are still in the custody of the VA. So far, I have only had one client request a pension file that turned out to be an XC file and was in the custody of the National Archives. There is one child of a Civil War soldier still receiving a pension. Children were only eligible to receive pensions until they turned 16, except in the case of disability and this person does have a developmental disability. I believe that the pension payment she receives is less than $80 per month. Ann Gillespie http://anngillespieresearch.com/<http://anngillespieresearch.weebly.com/> On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 5:52 AM, Karen Rhodes via < [email protected]> wrote: > > VA is the Veteran's Administration, an executive department of the U.S. > government which handles veterans' affairs such as pension records and > health care. XC is a designation for a particular class of Veterans' > files. It is the prefix for the number assigned to a claim and related > documents. > > Karen Packard Rhodes > Middleburg, Clay County, Florida > > > > > On 11/15/2014 2:45 AM, Christopher Gray via wrote: > > Hi - as someone from over the pond, while very interested in the topic, I > > don't understand the acronyms. What is a VA and XC? Chris > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf > Of > > [email protected] via > > Sent: 15 November 2014 05:42 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [TGF] XC file > > > > I am learning what it is like to decipher an XC file from the VA of a > > soldier who served in the Union during the Civil War. There is a wealth > of > > information in this file. > > > > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. 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When the various people were giving their statements, they were submitting statements not appearing at a hearing. Though it was more usual for the people giving statements to be in the same geographic area, that wasn't the case. I've seen files for veterans or surviving spouses who had moved across the country between their service and applying for the pension. So no, they were not giving statements in the presence of the applicant. Sometimes they were interviewed and the statement is in a question and answer format, but that is not always the case. Depending on their level of literacy, they might appear before a justice of the peace and have that person record their testimony or they might write out their statement and appear before a notary to attest to it being their statement and sign it in that person's presence. Some statements appear to just be letters written to the pension bureau - I remember seeing one that was written by the applicant of the letterhead of the drugstore he owned. I have seen a number of pension files with a list of people who had submitted affidavits or who needed to do so. At times, especially if there was a conflict, the list would also include a determination as to whether the statements submitted by each person could or should be considered credible. One of my great-grandfather's served for the Union and applied for a pension. He was injured in training and discharged for disability, but when he applied for the pension a question arose as to whether he had suffered a new injury or aggravated an injury from his childhood. He told a different story each time he submitted a statement, so on the list in his file everyone else is listed as credible but he is not. He was never able to qualify as having a disability stemming from his service and only qualified once the criteria changed to being disabled and having served, without the requirement of a link between the two. What we now refer to as the VA was established in 1921. Prior to that date, pensions were under the auspices of the Department of War. The Veteran's Bureau, as it was originally known, took over the administration of all of the pensions that were still active at the time and assigned them new file numbers to differentiate them. The C and XC numbers are those new numbers, so all of those files have original application and certificate numbers, but they are filed under the C or XC number. Theoretically, when the file is no longer active it is moved to the National Archives, but that process is not dependable. Many of these files are still in the custody of the VA. So far, I have only had one client request a pension file that turned out to be an XC file and was in the custody of the National Archives. There is one child of a Civil War soldier still receiving a pension. Children were only eligible to receive pensions until they turned 16, except in the case of disability and this person does have a developmental disability. I believe that the pension payment she receives is less than $80 per month. Ann Gillespie http://anngillespieresearch.com/ <http://anngillespieresearch.weebly.com/> On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 5:52 AM, Karen Rhodes via < [email protected]> wrote: > > VA is the Veteran's Administration, an executive department of the U.S. > government which handles veterans' affairs such as pension records and > health care. XC is a designation for a particular class of Veterans' > files. It is the prefix for the number assigned to a claim and related > documents. > > Karen Packard Rhodes > Middleburg, Clay County, Florida > > > > > On 11/15/2014 2:45 AM, Christopher Gray via wrote: > > Hi - as someone from over the pond, while very interested in the topic, I > > don't understand the acronyms. What is a VA and XC? Chris > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf > Of > > [email protected] via > > Sent: 15 November 2014 05:42 > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [TGF] XC file > > > > I am learning what it is like to decipher an XC file from the VA of a > > soldier who served in the Union during the Civil War. There is a wealth > of > > information in this file. > > > > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I agree with this interpretation of "step niece" in the same way that a step-daughter is sometimes recorded as a daughter-in-law. Chris -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Fredric Z. Saunders via Sent: 15 November 2014 03:10 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TGF] niece-in-law My first thought was that her husband was a nephew of the woman born in Scotland. If asked to give a name for my relation to the wife of nephew, I would say they were a niece-in-law. Here are some other listings: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/niece-in-law but it seems to me that #1-#4 the daughter-in-law of someone's sibling or sibling in law, is just a different way of saying number 7, the wife of someone's nephew. Rick Saunders -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of LeRoy Atkins via Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 5:54 PM Cc: Transitional Genealogists List Subject: [TGF] niece-in-law In 1877 a woman in Utah, at age 63, defined herself as the niece-in-law of a woman who was born in 1776 in Scotland. When used in that way what was the likely meaning of niece-in-law? LeRoy The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi - as someone from over the pond, while very interested in the topic, I don't understand the acronyms. What is a VA and XC? Chris -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] via Sent: 15 November 2014 05:42 To: [email protected] Subject: [TGF] XC file I am learning what it is like to decipher an XC file from the VA of a soldier who served in the Union during the Civil War. There is a wealth of information in this file. I'm working on the testimony of the deponents who are gave accounts of this soldier and his injury during the war and certain illnesses. This soldier is applying for a raise on his pension. Only one gentleman, the soldier's friend, agreed with one or two points the soldier stated. All the rest of his friends never saw him suffer with the illnesses and injury. Three were his brothers-in-law, and the others were friends, one of which was a life-long friend. My question is: Was the soldier in the same room with the deponents while they gave their negative testimonies? Or would you say the Soldier was separated from them? With the information the deponents gave, I would find it hard to tell the truth with the soldier in the same room as the deponents. I am looking forward to your input. Cheryl Proctor Southern Indiana The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

VA is the Veteran's Administration, an executive department of the U.S. government which handles veterans' affairs such as pension records and health care. XC is a designation for a particular class of Veterans' files. It is the prefix for the number assigned to a claim and related documents. Karen Packard Rhodes Middleburg, Clay County, Florida On 11/15/2014 2:45 AM, Christopher Gray via wrote: > Hi - as someone from over the pond, while very interested in the topic, I > don't understand the acronyms. What is a VA and XC? Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > [email protected] via > Sent: 15 November 2014 05:42 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [TGF] XC file > > I am learning what it is like to decipher an XC file from the VA of a > soldier who served in the Union during the Civil War. There is a wealth of > information in this file. > >

> Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 07:45:22 -0000 > From: "Christopher Gray" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [TGF] XC file > To: "'Transitional Genealogists'" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]@newscope-solutions.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi - as someone from over the pond, while very interested in the topic, I > don't understand the acronyms. What is a VA and XC? Chris Chris,Tried to send to your private email and it got bounced back. Below is taken from the NARA (National Archives in America) website. Sincerely,Jewell Lorenz Dunn, MBAOld Plates and Old People "There are actually five separate series of Civil War and later pension files. There are two series of applications that were rejected and never converted to certificates of pension. These series are the soldier’s or survivor’s original (SO) application and the widow’s original (WO). These files tend to be thinner but that is not always the case. Sometimes a soldier or a widow kept reapplying each time the laws became liberalized, and the files are very rich. There are three series of certificate files: soldier’s certificates (SC); widow’s certificates (WC), which include minor child and indigent parents; and certificates (C or XC). In some cases, we know that we don’t have files for a soldier in the index. The files usually have a C or XC pension claim number and were still active files after circa 1928. The C or XC pension file number should appear at the bottom of the index card. There are a lot of C and XC files that we do not have. If there was anyone still alive who had a claim against the pension in roughly 1928, then NARA probably won’t have the file. It was still an active record and therefore is still in the legal custody of what is now the Department of Veterans’ Affairs (VA)."

I am learning what it is like to decipher an XC file from the VA of a soldier who served in the Union during the Civil War. There is a wealth of information in this file. I'm working on the testimony of the deponents who are gave accounts of this soldier and his injury during the war and certain illnesses. This soldier is applying for a raise on his pension. Only one gentleman, the soldier's friend, agreed with one or two points the soldier stated. All the rest of his friends never saw him suffer with the illnesses and injury. Three were his brothers-in-law, and the others were friends, one of which was a life-long friend. My question is: Was the soldier in the same room with the deponents while they gave their negative testimonies? Or would you say the Soldier was separated from them? With the information the deponents gave, I would find it hard to tell the truth with the soldier in the same room as the deponents. I am looking forward to your input. Cheryl Proctor Southern Indiana

My first thought was that her husband was a nephew of the woman born in Scotland. If asked to give a name for my relation to the wife of nephew, I would say they were a niece-in-law. Here are some other listings: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/niece-in-law but it seems to me that #1-#4 the daughter-in-law of someone's sibling or sibling in law, is just a different way of saying number 7, the wife of someone's nephew. Rick Saunders -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of LeRoy Atkins via Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 5:54 PM Cc: Transitional Genealogists List Subject: [TGF] niece-in-law In 1877 a woman in Utah, at age 63, defined herself as the niece-in-law of a woman who was born in 1776 in Scotland. When used in that way what was the likely meaning of niece-in-law? LeRoy

In 1877 a woman in Utah, at age 63, defined herself as the niece-in-law of a woman who was born in 1776 in Scotland. When used in that way what was the likely meaning of niece-in-law? LeRoy

I'm confused on what this guy is asking for. He wants you to copy an article from Ancestry? It it something written by Ancestry staff, or user-submitted content? And then he wants you to also mail a copy of Judy's blog post to him, in a SASE? How do the first article (from Ancestry) and the second piece (from Judy) relate to each other? I'm puzzled, and the craziness I saw on the Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness Facebook page related to Judy's blog post makes me just curious enough to wonder what the deal is here. -------------------------------- Kerry Scott www.cluewagon.com <http://www.cluewagon.com/?utm_source=emlsig> <http://twitter.com/cluewagon>

Not to be paranoid or anything, but perhaps it is Ancestry itself checking on users. Phyllis -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 8:55 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [TGF] letter soliciting article from ancestry.com I received an interesting piece in the mail today. A man asking for my fee to copy an article from ancestry.com. <http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fancestry.com%2F&h=4AQHfKkBW&enc=AZOBqXIfpQLRQa-ewhb_yyzI4Rh9Azt-1ur49dlmNWGfd3-Kyc_VAU_cb9SROnR0Eq48X6ytX-afzPq3IFjMTojA-4iW8Sez11fBzM9V1fBFURc-Y70ZSLxGh5oPA12JdsgOl2uJmJlxcvpM07DJaI0apfC8WwS6ylKRjKGFIFjnNQ&s=1> Using his return SASE to send a copy of Judy Judy G. Russell <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003514244633> 's recent posting on this very subject. http://www.legalgenealogist.com/blog/2014/11/05/it-bears-repeating-just-say-no/ He appears to be sending these out to lots of people. Part of me can't help but wonder if this is a trap..... d -- Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist (sm), Certificate 903 Contract Genealogist, US Navy POW/MIA Branch Mail address - PO Box 1085, Manvel TX 77578 Telephone/fax 281-595-3090 www.forensicgenealogyservices.com www.facebook.com/forensicgenealogist Certified Genealogist (CG) is a service mark (sm) of the Board for Certification of Genealogists®, conferred to associates who consistently meet ethical and competency standards in accord with peer-reviewed evaluations every five years, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office. The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Whoa! Where did all those URL's come from instead of what I typed? Sorry about that, folks. d > On November 14, 2014 at 10:55 AM [email protected] wrote: > > > I received an interesting piece in the mail today. A man asking for my fee to > copy an article from ancestry.com. > <http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fancestry.com%2F&h=4AQHfKkBW&enc=AZOBqXIfpQLRQa-ewhb_yyzI4Rh9Azt-1ur49dlmNWGfd3-Kyc_VAU_cb9SROnR0Eq48X6ytX-afzPq3IFjMTojA-4iW8Sez11fBzM9V1fBFURc-Y70ZSLxGh5oPA12JdsgOl2uJmJlxcvpM07DJaI0apfC8WwS6ylKRjKGFIFjnNQ&s=1> > Using his return SASE to send a copy of Judy Judy G. Russell > <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003514244633> 's recent posting on > this very subject. > http://www.legalgenealogist.com/blog/2014/11/05/it-bears-repeating-just-say-no/ > > He appears to be sending these out to lots of people. Part of me can't help > but > wonder if this is a trap..... > > d > > > -- > Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist (sm), Certificate 903 > Contract Genealogist, US Navy POW/MIA Branch > > Mail address - PO Box 1085, Manvel TX 77578 > Telephone/fax 281-595-3090 > www.forensicgenealogyservices.com www.facebook.com/forensicgenealogist > > Certified Genealogist (CG) is a service mark (sm) of the Board for > Certification > of Genealogists®, conferred to > associates who consistently meet ethical and competency standards in accord > with > peer-reviewed evaluations every > five years, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark > Office. > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist (sm), Certificate 903 Contract Genealogist, US Navy POW/MIA Branch Mail address - PO Box 1085, Manvel TX 77578 Telephone/fax 281-595-3090 www.forensicgenealogyservices.com www.facebook.com/forensicgenealogist Certified Genealogist (CG) is a service mark (sm) of the Board for Certification of Genealogists®, conferred to associates who consistently meet ethical and competency standards in accord with peer-reviewed evaluations every five years, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office.

I received an interesting piece in the mail today. A man asking for my fee to copy an article from ancestry.com. <http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fancestry.com%2F&h=4AQHfKkBW&enc=AZOBqXIfpQLRQa-ewhb_yyzI4Rh9Azt-1ur49dlmNWGfd3-Kyc_VAU_cb9SROnR0Eq48X6ytX-afzPq3IFjMTojA-4iW8Sez11fBzM9V1fBFURc-Y70ZSLxGh5oPA12JdsgOl2uJmJlxcvpM07DJaI0apfC8WwS6ylKRjKGFIFjnNQ&s=1> Using his return SASE to send a copy of Judy Judy G. Russell <https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003514244633> 's recent posting on this very subject. http://www.legalgenealogist.com/blog/2014/11/05/it-bears-repeating-just-say-no/ He appears to be sending these out to lots of people. Part of me can't help but wonder if this is a trap..... d -- Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist (sm), Certificate 903 Contract Genealogist, US Navy POW/MIA Branch Mail address - PO Box 1085, Manvel TX 77578 Telephone/fax 281-595-3090 www.forensicgenealogyservices.com www.facebook.com/forensicgenealogist Certified Genealogist (CG) is a service mark (sm) of the Board for Certification of Genealogists®, conferred to associates who consistently meet ethical and competency standards in accord with peer-reviewed evaluations every five years, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office.

Learn about Malissa Ruffner's many-faceted background at http://bcgcertification.org/blog/2014/11/welcome-malissa-ruffner/ (profile by Judy Russell) Harold Henderson, CG midwestroots.net *Finding Ancestors in Fort Wayne: The Genealogist's Unofficial One-Stop Guide to the Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center * http://www.midwestroots.net/ <http://www.midwestroots.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/ACPLGC-April-2013.pdf> Certified Genealogist (SM) No. 1029 Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists® used by the Board to identify its program of genealogical competency evaluation and used under license by the Board’s associates.

Anne, Possibly the notations are number of deaths with 20 (18 + 2) being from a known (cholera spelled "coler[?]") cause and 72 being undetermined ("und"). HTH, Patricia Whipple ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 16:08:04 -0500 From: [email protected] Subject: [TGF] Ship manifest help To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hello, I am looking for some help interpretation some notations at the end of a ship manifest. The last page of the manifest can be found here: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-16936-13682-16?cc=1849782&wc=MX62-6NT:165765601 At the bottom of the list are some math equations with a notation to the side. The notations appear to be 412 [number of passengers minus] 20 col? [equals] 392 [then minus] 320 [equals] 72 ? Does anyone have any idea as to the notations? Thank you, Ann Gilchrest ------------------------------ End of TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 8, Issue 346 ***************************************************************

Thanks, Melanie and Michael. Your comments give me some specific things to work on. Much appreciated! Annette Annette Burke Lyttle HERITAGE DETECTIVE, LLC Westminster, Colorado 303-217-3452 [email protected] http://heritagedetective.com

Michael makes a valuable point. Tell the client why they should hire you above other genealogists. Discuss your knowledge, expertise, how you adhere to professional standards, etc. This is something I didn't do well in my early days... Sincerely, Melanie D. Holtz, CG Holtz Research Services 7283-102 NC Hwy 42 W, #402 Raleigh, NC 27603 [email protected] www.holtzresearch.com Co-Owner, Virtual Institute of Genealogical [email protected] CG or Certified Genealogist and CGL or Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by Board-certified genealogists after periodic competency evaluation, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office. > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 15:16:07 -0500 > Subject: Re: [TGF] Marketing > From: [email protected]; [email protected] > > I looked at your website, but I didn't see any specific information about > your services, specialties, or fees. Simply having a website is not enough > (though it is extremely important)--having an informative website with a > "Call to Action" is how you convert visitors into clients. > > Michael Hait, CG(sm) > [email protected] > http://www.haitfamilyresearch.com > Author of the *Online State Resources for Genealogy* ebook > See http://haitfamilyresearch.com/onlineStates.htm > > CG and Certified Genealogist are service marks of the Board for > Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants > after periodic competency evaluation, and the board name is registered in > the US Patent & Trademark Office. > -----Original Message----- > From: Heritage Detective via > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:53 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [TGF] Marketing > > Would folks mind sharing tips about marketing? Since I started my business > this past summer, I've mostly been working on my professional education and > on doing pro bono work that will extend my skills. I've done some research > for friends, some writing for a small museum, and I work with another friend > once a month helping her learn how to research her family. My one paying > client so far found me through my APG listing. > > I have a website and am on Facebook and Twitter. I belong to my local APG > chapter and to a couple local societies. One participant in a recent APG > webinar mentioned that she does presentations at senior centers and gets > some clients that way. What other marketing strategies have you found to be > successful? > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! > > Annette > Annette Burke Lyttle > HERITAGE DETECTIVE, LLC > Westminster, Colorado > 303-217-3452 > [email protected] > http://heritagedetective.com > > > > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive > environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to > professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marketing is a many-faceted animal. It sounds like you've done a good job getting started in the most obvious avenues. A few other ideas might be: A blog specific to your research specialty. Don't make it too broadly based, as a specific topic will bring them back for more (sign up for your RSS feed) and there are already too many broadly-based genealogical blogs out there. Join your local APG chapter, many of which print brochures that they put in key archives/libraries. Linkedin -Using this social media platform in a variety of ways has brought about $12,000 worth of business to me this year. I post links to my blog posts and answer questions in groups that are specific to my area of expertise. Also, Marian Pierre-Louise has a webinar on targeting clients/marketing which is very valuable. http://www.thegenealogyprofessional.com/webinars/ Sincerely, Melanie D. Holtz, CG Holtz Research Services 7283-102 NC Hwy 42 W, #402 Raleigh, NC 27603 [email protected] www.holtzresearch.com Co-Owner, Virtual Institute of Genealogical [email protected] CG or Certified Genealogist and CGL or Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by Board-certified genealogists after periodic competency evaluation, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office. > To: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 08:53:33 -0700 > Subject: [TGF] Marketing > From: [email protected] > > Would folks mind sharing tips about marketing? Since I started my business > this past summer, I've mostly been working on my professional education and > on doing pro bono work that will extend my skills. I've done some research > for friends, some writing for a small museum, and I work with another friend > once a month helping her learn how to research her family. My one paying > client so far found me through my APG listing. > > I have a website and am on Facebook and Twitter. I belong to my local APG > chapter and to a couple local societies. One participant in a recent APG > webinar mentioned that she does presentations at senior centers and gets > some clients that way. What other marketing strategies have you found to be > successful? > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! > > Annette > Annette Burke Lyttle > HERITAGE DETECTIVE, LLC > Westminster, Colorado > 303-217-3452 > [email protected] > http://heritagedetective.com > > > > > > The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, I am looking for some help interpretation some notations at the end of a ship manifest. The last page of the manifest can be found here: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-16936-13682-16?cc=1849782&wc=MX62-6NT:165765601 At the bottom of the list are some math equations with a notation to the side. The notations appear to be 412 [number of passengers minus] 20 col? [equals] 392 [then minus] 320 [equals] 72 ? Does anyone have any idea as to the notations? Thank you, Ann Gilchrest

I looked at your website, but I didn't see any specific information about your services, specialties, or fees. Simply having a website is not enough (though it is extremely important)--having an informative website with a "Call to Action" is how you convert visitors into clients. Michael Hait, CG(sm) [email protected] http://www.haitfamilyresearch.com Author of the *Online State Resources for Genealogy* ebook See http://haitfamilyresearch.com/onlineStates.htm CG and Certified Genealogist are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic competency evaluation, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office. -----Original Message----- From: Heritage Detective via Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:53 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [TGF] Marketing Would folks mind sharing tips about marketing? Since I started my business this past summer, I've mostly been working on my professional education and on doing pro bono work that will extend my skills. I've done some research for friends, some writing for a small museum, and I work with another friend once a month helping her learn how to research her family. My one paying client so far found me through my APG listing. I have a website and am on Facebook and Twitter. I belong to my local APG chapter and to a couple local societies. One participant in a recent APG webinar mentioned that she does presentations at senior centers and gets some clients that way. What other marketing strategies have you found to be successful? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Annette Annette Burke Lyttle HERITAGE DETECTIVE, LLC Westminster, Colorado 303-217-3452 [email protected] http://heritagedetective.com The Transitional Genealogists List was created to provide a supportive environment for genealogists to learn best practices as they transition to professional level work. Please respect the kind intentions of this list. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message