Tis the season for 2015 institutes to have you save the first date which registration opens. Looking for gift ideas? Then perhaps an institute will be a unique gift to request or give. Attending these "summer camps for genealogists" is more fun with a friend or relative! IGHR at Samford University, Birmingham, AL, will open Tuesday, January 20 on a staggered time schedule (see below). Tom Jones teaches the writing course and I teach the Genealogy Profession course held June 7-12. Tom's Writing course is offered every year but if you are thinking about becoming a professional, or want to learn how to be a more efficient professional, my course is taught only every other year. GRIP at LaRoche College, Pittsburgh, PA, will have registration open Wednesday, Feb. 4 at noon eastern for courses held June 28-July 3 and Wednesday, Feb. 18 at noon for courses July 19-24. (See www.GRIPitt.org <http://www.GRIPitt.org> for the listing of courses including those by Tom Jones, DNA courses, Genealogists and the Law with Judy Russell, NY, PA, Writing the Family History, Land Research, Church Records, etc.) Many of these course sell out within 5 minutes of registration opening. Be prepared to go on a waitlist if that occurs. So why are these courses so popular? Because it is just fun to spend 5 days in a classroom delving deeply into your course topic with other great students and nationally-recognized faculty! The in-person experience is educational and fun. Hope to see you at the institutes! -- Elissa Elissa Scalise Powell, CG , CGL www.PowellGenealogy.com <http://www.PowellGenealogy.com> www.GRIPitt.org <http://www.GRIPitt.org> 28 June-3 July 2015 and 19-24 July 2015 in Pittsburgh, PA CG, Certified Genealogist, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic evaluations. The board name is a trademark registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, December 05, 2014 1:56 PM We are happy to announce that registration for the Institute of Genealogy and Historical Research (IGHR) for 2015 will open Tuesday, January 20, 2015, at 11:00 a.m. Eastern time (10:00 a.m. Central, 9:00 a.m. Mountain, 8:00 a.m. Pacific). A link will be provided on the IGHR Registration page (http://samford.libguides.com/ighr-registration) to the online registration at that time. If this is your first time registering or if you just want a refresher on what to expect, please consult the downloadable online registration guide (http://ighr.samford.edu/IGHR101_online-reg-2014.pdf). To prevent an overload of the online registration system, the opening of course registration will be staggered with different courses being opened each half-hour. Opening at 11:00 a.m. Eastern (10:00 a.m. Central): Course 3: Advanced Methodology & Evidence Analysis Course 9: Genealogy as a Profession Opening at 11:30 a.m. Eastern (10:30 a.m. Central): Course 4: Writing & Publishing for Genealogists Course 6: The Five Civilized Tribes: The Records & Where to Find Them Opening at 12:00 p.m. Eastern (11:00 a.m. Central): Course 8: Research in the South: The Colonies of the South Course 10: Virginia's Land & Military Conflicts Opening at 12:30 p.m. Eastern (11:30 a.m. Central): Course 2: Intermediate Genealogy & Historical Studies Course 7: Land Records: Using Maps Opening at 1:00 p.m. Eastern (12:00 p.m. Central): Course 1: Methods and Sources Course 5. Military Records II Every year, some courses fill up in a matter of minutes, so be sure to be wherever you have your fastest internet connection at registration time. Each time a new set of courses opens for registration, an email will be sent to the IGHR-L list. If you do not wish to receive these emails, please unsubscribe from the list at: http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/ighr-l The Institute itself will take place on June 7-12, 2015. For more information, visit the IGHR website at http://samford.libguides.com/ighr/. We hope to see you this summer! ************************************************************* Institute of Genealogy and Historical Research (IGHR) Director: Lori Northrup Secretary: Eric Allen 205-726-2846 |office 205-726-4009 | fax [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> samford.libguides.com/ighr 800 Lakeshore Drive, Birmingham, AL 35229

Hello, I am wondering if anyone knows of a source that gives a brief description of the Emigration business. Specifically in the 1850's time frame. I am looking for the structure of the business, the players if you will. Thank you, Ann Gilchrest

PERSI is on HeritageQuest if you have access to that. Phyllis Garratt -----Original Message----- From: "Michael Hait via" [ [email protected] ]( mailto:[email protected] ) Subject: Re: [TGF] Old Genealogical Newsletters and Queries Membership to FindMyPast may not be necessary to search PERSI, but it is necessary to see the exact results of that search. Unless I'm doing something wrong, all you get are the article title, the publication, and the year (but not the author, the exact issue, or the page numbers).

Ann, I am reading a book which covers this pretty well including the immigrant experience of landing in NYC and the scoundrels which met them. Henry Lucas, Netherlanders in America (Ann Arbor: University of Michigan Press, 1955) Jill Professional genealogist Give the gift of family! > On Dec 5, 2014, at 11:47 AM, AGilchrest via <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello, > > I am wondering if anyone knows of a source that gives a brief description > of the Emigration business. Specifically in the 1850's time frame. I am > looking for the structure of the business, the players if you will. > > Thank you, > Ann Gilchrest > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ann, are you asking about emigration (the leaving from a country) or immigration (the entering into a country)? The answer to each of those questions is different. Phyllis Garratt -----Original Message----- From: "AGilchrest via" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 5, 2014 11:47am I am wondering if anyone knows of a source that gives a brief description of the Emigration business. Specifically in the 1850's time frame. I am looking for the structure of the business, the players if you will. Thank you, Ann Gilchrest

Connie -- Yoicks! I'm confident that Fort Wayne would not de-accession such titles for such reasons. The best way to check for particular items is to visit http://search.findmypast.com/search/periodical-source-index (membership is not required to search the PERSI database). Harold Harold Henderson, CG midwestroots.net *Finding Ancestors in Fort Wayne: The Genealogist's Unofficial One-Stop Guide to the Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center * http://www.midwestroots.net/ <http://www.midwestroots.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/ACPLGC-April-2013.pdf> Certified Genealogist (SM) No. 1029 Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists® used by the Board to identify its program of genealogical competency evaluation and used under license by the Board’s associates. On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Connie Sheets via < [email protected]> wrote: > I appreciate the responses I have received publicly and privately. > Subsequent to my post, I happened across Tom Jones "Perils of Source > Snobbery" article from OnBoard (May, 2012). Although his article does > not mention old queries except in a footnote, it eloquently makes the > point I had in mind. > > It seems to me that old queries are the abbreviated "online family trees" > of a bygone era, and may be the only surviving record of a deceased > genealogist's work (or personal knowledge of family). I've found some > queries to be detailed, and even if they are not, they have given me clues, > especially about members of a "FAN" club, that I otherwise might not have > had. They have also helped me date or track down possible origins for > "rumors" or "clues" found in online trees. While reading unindexed > locality-based newsletter queries may not be the most efficient use of > research time, I do periodically browse through them for familiar surnames > and the information they contain, even if I am no longer able to contact > the writer or his/her family. > > If anyone has specific examples of the use of queries and similar > "disdained sources" in addition to those mentioned in footnotes 4 and 5 of > Tom's article, I would like to hear about them. Perhaps I am overreacting > to finding out that more than 300 titles were recently deaccessioned > (thrown in the trash) from a collection because "what good are old queries; > they are so old the people who wrote them are dead." Hopefully, the lost > publications are in Fort Wayne and I'll just have to travel farther to do > my browsing. I may have a new mission in life to try to educate others > about the value of "disdained sources." > > Connie Sheets > Phoenix, AZ > > > > I am interested in hearing whether and how you have used queries from > old genealogical publications such as newsletters, and if so whether you > found them to be valuable? If yes, why were they valuable? Can you give > some examples of how they helped? > > > > On a wider but related note, should old society newsletters be archived > or thrown in the trash? If your society or library keeps some but not all > such publications, what criteria do you use for deciding what to keep and > what to dispose of? > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I appreciate the responses I have received publicly and privately. Subsequent to my post, I happened across Tom Jones "Perils of Source Snobbery" article from OnBoard (May, 2012). Although his article does not mention old queries except in a footnote, it eloquently makes the point I had in mind. It seems to me that old queries are the abbreviated "online family trees" of a bygone era, and may be the only surviving record of a deceased genealogist's work (or personal knowledge of family). I've found some queries to be detailed, and even if they are not, they have given me clues, especially about members of a "FAN" club, that I otherwise might not have had. They have also helped me date or track down possible origins for "rumors" or "clues" found in online trees. While reading unindexed locality-based newsletter queries may not be the most efficient use of research time, I do periodically browse through them for familiar surnames and the information they contain, even if I am no longer able to contact the writer or his/her family. If anyone has specific examples of the use of queries and similar "disdained sources" in addition to those mentioned in footnotes 4 and 5 of Tom's article, I would like to hear about them. Perhaps I am overreacting to finding out that more than 300 titles were recently deaccessioned (thrown in the trash) from a collection because "what good are old queries; they are so old the people who wrote them are dead." Hopefully, the lost publications are in Fort Wayne and I'll just have to travel farther to do my browsing. I may have a new mission in life to try to educate others about the value of "disdained sources." Connie Sheets Phoenix, AZ > I am interested in hearing whether and how you have used queries from old genealogical publications such as newsletters, and if so whether you found them to be valuable? If yes, why were they valuable? Can you give some examples of how they helped? > > On a wider but related note, should old society newsletters be archived or thrown in the trash? If your society or library keeps some but not all such publications, what criteria do you use for deciding what to keep and what to dispose of? >

Annette, What a surprise! I would send her a note thanking her for her efforts and that in return, you have made a charitable donation to a genealogical organization in her name. Tell her that in addition for crediting her for her "work," that you've also credited her for the donation! Dave Robison Old Bones Genealogy of New England Today's Topics: 1. Local historical society inquiries (Annette graham) 2. Re: Local historical society inquiries (Patricia Hobbs) 3. Re: Local historical society inquiries (Patricia Hobbs) 4. Re: Local historical society inquiries (Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 22:10:23 -0600 From: Annette graham <[email protected]> Subject: [TGF] Local historical society inquiries To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I recently reached out to a historical society in an area where I am working a project (area is just north of me). The local historian replied back and shared lots of great town history and had personally researched a family that had a connection to the one I am working on. After several pleasant emails, and a promise of information exchange on the family she had researched (I had uncovered a lot on that family in my work my project), the last email made mention of "payment" to her. I had not requested any document retrieval, nor any additional research on my project outside of the answers to my questions in the emails (ie: local history, railroad built there). However, even though no mention of cost/payment was made because there was nothing to have to pay for, the historical society person I have been emailing is now implying that I pay her? How would you best handle this situation? No new research was made on her end. She shared local town history that most societies would have given freely. She shared information on the family she had already personally researched, but not on my project specifically, except to confirm that my person had lived with that family. She had no other information on the individual I was researching. I was giving her credit in my report for the town history and on her existing research that she shared, but I was surprised by her assumption of payment when there had been no request for something that would have cost her additional money. If I should pay her, should I pay her for the research she's already done on her own and only shared with me via the email correspondence as well as the local history knowledge she shared? This was a bit unanticipated and I want to make sure I handle this correctly. Annette Graham Professional genealogist APG, BU 2014 Spring > On Dec 4, 2014, at 2:01 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Old Genealogical Newsletters and Queries (Kizzie Newman) > 2. Genealogy scholarship recipients > (Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 09:43:58 -0500 > From: Kizzie Newman <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [TGF] Old Genealogical Newsletters and Queries > To: pgarratt <[email protected]>, > [email protected] > Message-ID: > > <[email protected]om> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Phyllis and Connie: > > My late sister left a very large collection of items such as those > referenced by Connie; commented on by Phyllis. > > Very close to Phyllis' group decision was ours as regards our sister's > long-term collections. > > Of interest to me, was the information provided by several libraries > with large genealogical collections, exception being the NSDAR, that > space considerations were the deciding factor as to accepting or > declining such offers. Furthermore, I was told, if I wished to > transfer all to a CD/DVD, that would have been acceptable. > > Kizzie > > > > On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 6:21 PM, pgarratt via < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> Connie, we just went through this at our local Genealogical Society. >> We categorized them primarily into three groups: >> >> 1. Society newsletters (local meeting news, what has been added to >> the library, etc) - In nearly every case these were put into the recycle bin. >> We did keep a few current ones for our local region (several >> surrounding counties). >> >> 2. Society journals and magazines (articles on research techniques, >> published records, indexes, etc.) - We kept all for our local area. >> Most of those outside our local region (the rest of the state and the >> US) were offered to members for free, although very few members were >> interested in any of them. We tried to donate them to various >> libraries and no one wanted them. Some publications were kept if we >> felt they had unusual content or we had members who actually used >> them. Those making the decisions were genealogists familiar with >> online resources as well as local, state and national repositories for particular areas they knew well. >> >> 3. Published genealogies (such as the NGSQ) - we kept all of these. >> >> Our reason to purge was to make space for more useful items >> (currently in >> boxes) such as reference books, county histories, more computers, and >> the like. It was a controversial project but a necessary one. Many >> years of our own publication were scanned and are in the process of >> being uploaded to our website. >> >> As far as queries from old publications, I have never had any luck >> with these at all. Where I have had tremendous success is Rootsweb mail lists. >> Queries posted there have yielded the most amazing results. >> >> Phyllis >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: "Connie Sheets via" [ >> [email protected] >> ]( mailto:[email protected] ) >> Subject: [TGF] Old Genealogical Newsletters and Queries >> >> "...I am interested in hearing whether and how you have used queries >> from old genealogical publications such as newsletters, and if so >> whether you found them to be valuable?... >> On a wider but related note, should old society newsletters be >> archived or thrown in the trash?..." >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 09:10:02 -0600 (CST) > From: "Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist" > <[email protected]> > Subject: [TGF] Genealogy scholarship recipients > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > > <[email protected]net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Each year my company offers several scholarships to transitional genealogists. > The scholarships for 2015 have been posted at: > > http://www.forensicgenealogyservices.com/GivingBack.html > > best regards, > > Dee > > > -- > Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist (sm), Certificate 903 Contract > Genealogist, US Navy POW/MIA Branch > > Mail address - PO Box 1085, Manvel TX 77578 Telephone/fax 281-595-3090 > www.forensicgenealogyservices.com www.facebook.com/forensicgenealogist > > Certified Genealogist (CG) is a service mark (sm) of the Board for > Certification of Genealogists?, conferred to associates who > consistently meet ethical and competency standards in accord with > peer-reviewed evaluations every five years, and the board name is > registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office. > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 8, Issue 369 > *************************************************************** ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 22:27:13 -0600 From: Patricia Hobbs <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [TGF] Local historical society inquiries To: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-L <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]om> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I would just ask her where had you been told that payment was expected. Places are usually careful to put something on their websites or tell you in an email before they provide the service that charges will be forthcoming. At least see what she says about how you were notified that you would be charged. Patti On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 10:10 PM, Annette graham via < [email protected]> wrote: > I recently reached out to a historical society in an area where I am > working a project (area is just north of me). The local historian > replied back and shared lots of great town history and had personally > researched a family that had a connection to the one I am working on. > > After several pleasant emails, and a promise of information exchange > on the family she had researched (I had uncovered a lot on that family > in my work my project), the last email made mention of "payment" to > her. I had not requested any document retrieval, nor any additional > research on my project outside of the answers to my questions in the > emails (ie: local history, railroad built there). However, even though > no mention of cost/payment was made because there was nothing to have > to pay for, the historical society person I have been emailing is now > implying that I pay her? > > How would you best handle this situation? No new research was made on > her end. She shared local town history that most societies would have > given freely. She shared information on the family she had already > personally researched, but not on my project specifically, except to > confirm that my person had lived with that family. She had no other > information on the individual I was researching. I was giving her > credit in my report for the town history and on her existing research > that she shared, but I was surprised by her assumption of payment when > there had been no request for something that would have cost her additional money. > > If I should pay her, should I pay her for the research she's already > done on her own and only shared with me via the email correspondence > as well as the local history knowledge she shared? > > This was a bit unanticipated and I want to make sure I handle this > correctly. > > Annette Graham > Professional genealogist > APG, BU 2014 Spring > > > On Dec 4, 2014, at 2:01 AM, > [email protected] wrote: > > > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: Old Genealogical Newsletters and Queries (Kizzie Newman) > > 2. Genealogy scholarship recipients > > (Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist) > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 09:43:58 -0500 > > From: Kizzie Newman <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [TGF] Old Genealogical Newsletters and Queries > > To: pgarratt <[email protected]>, > > [email protected] > > Message-ID: > > > > <[email protected]om> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > Phyllis and Connie: > > > > My late sister left a very large collection of items such as those > > referenced by Connie; commented on by Phyllis. > > > > Very close to Phyllis' group decision was ours as regards our > > sister's long-term collections. > > > > Of interest to me, was the information provided by several libraries > > with large genealogical collections, exception being the NSDAR, that > > space considerations were the deciding factor as to accepting or > > declining such offers. Furthermore, I was told, if I wished to > > transfer all to a CD/DVD, that would have been acceptable. > > > > Kizzie > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 6:21 PM, pgarratt via < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> Connie, we just went through this at our local Genealogical > >> Society. We categorized them primarily into three groups: > >> > >> 1. Society newsletters (local meeting news, what has been added to > >> the library, etc) - In nearly every case these were put into the > >> recycle > bin. > >> We did keep a few current ones for our local region (several > >> surrounding counties). > >> > >> 2. Society journals and magazines (articles on research techniques, > >> published records, indexes, etc.) - We kept all for our local area. > Most of > >> those outside our local region (the rest of the state and the US) > >> were offered to members for free, although very few members were > >> interested > in > >> any of them. We tried to donate them to various libraries and no > >> one > wanted > >> them. Some publications were kept if we felt they had unusual > >> content > or we > >> had members who actually used them. Those making the decisions were > >> genealogists familiar with online resources as well as local, state > >> and national repositories for particular areas they knew well. > >> > >> 3. Published genealogies (such as the NGSQ) - we kept all of these. > >> > >> Our reason to purge was to make space for more useful items > >> (currently > in > >> boxes) such as reference books, county histories, more computers, > >> and > the > >> like. It was a controversial project but a necessary one. Many > >> years of > our > >> own publication were scanned and are in the process of being > >> uploaded to our website. > >> > >> As far as queries from old publications, I have never had any luck > >> with these at all. Where I have had tremendous success is Rootsweb > >> mail > lists. > >> Queries posted there have yielded the most amazing results. > >> > >> Phyllis > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: "Connie Sheets via" [ > [email protected] > >> ]( mailto:[email protected] ) > >> Subject: [TGF] Old Genealogical Newsletters and Queries > >> > >> "...I am interested in hearing whether and how you have used > >> queries > from > >> old genealogical publications such as newsletters, and if so > >> whether you found them to be valuable?... > >> On a wider but related note, should old society newsletters be > >> archived > or > >> thrown in the trash?..." > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word > >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 09:10:02 -0600 (CST) > > From: "Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist" > > <[email protected]> > > Subject: [TGF] Genealogy scholarship recipients > > To: [email protected] > > Message-ID: > > > > <[email protected]net > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > Each year my company offers several scholarships to transitional > genealogists. > > The scholarships for 2015 have been posted at: > > > > http://www.forensicgenealogyservices.com/GivingBack.html > > > > best regards, > > > > Dee > > > > > > -- > > Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist (sm), Certificate 903 Contract > > Genealogist, US Navy POW/MIA Branch > > > > Mail address - PO Box 1085, Manvel TX 77578 Telephone/fax > > 281-595-3090 www.forensicgenealogyservices.com > > www.facebook.com/forensicgenealogist > > > > Certified Genealogist (CG) is a service mark (sm) of the Board for > Certification > > of Genealogists?, conferred to > > associates who consistently meet ethical and competency standards in > accord with > > peer-reviewed evaluations every > > five years, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & > > Trademark Office. > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > End of TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 8, Issue 369 > > *************************************************************** > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 22:28:14 -0600 From: Patricia Hobbs <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [TGF] Local historical society inquiries To: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-L <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]om> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Yikes, and I am sorry that I did not trim all that digest material from the email. Patti ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 22:39:34 -0600 (CST) From: "Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [TGF] Local historical society inquiries To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Something similar happened twice to me. One person was asked one question via email. She then mailed me a ton of copies of stuff I hadn't asked for and didn't need. She included a comment that she had worked hard for me, so a "voluntary" payment to her [not the society] would be appreciated. Another person kept trying to sell me her book which had some minor info on my subject's family. When I requested only the obits listed on the society website index, she asked if I could pay her because she was just a volunteer. My response in the first case was that I had never received an offer to contract for any research on my behalf, that I did appreciate that she had wanted to work hard on my behalf, but that I had never requested any of the stuff she'd sent. Second one I called and spoke candidly to the society director, thought you might like to know.... That's like the charities that send you a "free gift" to guilt you into making a donation. d > On December 4, 2014 at 10:10 PM Annette graham via > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I recently reached out to a historical society in an area where I am > working a project (area is just north of me). The local historian > replied back and shared lots of great town history and had personally > researched a family that had a connection to the one I am working on. > > After several pleasant emails, and a promise of information exchange > on the family she had researched (I had uncovered a lot on that family > in my work my project), the last email made mention of "payment" to > her. I had not requested any document retrieval, nor any additional > research on my project outside of the answers to my questions in the > emails (ie: local history, railroad built there). However, even though > no mention of cost/payment was made because there was nothing to have > to pay for, the historical society person I have been emailing is now implying that I pay her? > > How would you best handle this situation? No new research was made on her end. > She shared local town history that most societies would have given > freely. She shared information on the family she had already > personally researched, but not on my project specifically, except to > confirm that my person had lived with that family. She had no other > information on the individual I was researching. I was giving her > credit in my report for the town history and on her existing research > that she shared, but I was surprised by her assumption of payment when > there had been no request for something that would have cost her additional money. > > If I should pay her, should I pay her for the research she's already > done on her own and only shared with me via the email correspondence > as well as the local history knowledge she shared? > > This was a bit unanticipated and I want to make sure I handle this correctly. > > Annette Graham > Professional genealogist > APG, BU 2014 Spring > > > On Dec 4, 2014, at 2:01 AM, > > [email protected] wrote: > > > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: Old Genealogical Newsletters and Queries (Kizzie Newman) 2. > > Genealogy scholarship recipients (Dee Dee King, Certified > > Genealogist) > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 09:43:58 -0500 > > From: Kizzie Newman <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [TGF] Old Genealogical Newsletters and Queries > > To: pgarratt <[email protected]>, > > [email protected] > > Message-ID: > > <[email protected]om> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > Phyllis and Connie: > > > > My late sister left a very large collection of items such as those > > referenced by Connie; commented on by Phyllis. > > > > Very close to Phyllis' group decision was ours as regards our > > sister's long-term collections. > > > > Of interest to me, was the information provided by several libraries > > with large genealogical collections, exception being the NSDAR, that > > space considerations were the deciding factor as to accepting or > > declining such offers. Furthermore, I was told, if I wished to > > transfer all to a CD/DVD, that would have been acceptable. > > > > Kizzie > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 6:21 PM, pgarratt via < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> Connie, we just went through this at our local Genealogical > >> Society. We categorized them primarily into three groups: > >> > >> 1. Society newsletters (local meeting news, what has been added to > >> the library, etc) - In nearly every case these were put into the recycle bin. > >> We did keep a few current ones for our local region (several > >> surrounding counties). > >> > >> 2. Society journals and magazines (articles on research techniques, > >> published records, indexes, etc.) - We kept all for our local area. > >> Most of those outside our local region (the rest of the state and > >> the US) were offered to members for free, although very few members > >> were interested in any of them. We tried to donate them to various > >> libraries and no one wanted them. Some publications were kept if we > >> felt they had unusual content or we had members who actually used > >> them. Those making the decisions were genealogists familiar with > >> online resources as well as local, state and national repositories for particular areas they knew well. > >> > >> 3. Published genealogies (such as the NGSQ) - we kept all of these. > >> > >> Our reason to purge was to make space for more useful items > >> (currently in > >> boxes) such as reference books, county histories, more computers, > >> and the like. It was a controversial project but a necessary one. > >> Many years of our own publication were scanned and are in the > >> process of being uploaded to our website. > >> > >> As far as queries from old publications, I have never had any luck > >> with these at all. Where I have had tremendous success is Rootsweb mail lists. > >> Queries posted there have yielded the most amazing results. > >> > >> Phyllis > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: "Connie Sheets via" [ > >> [email protected] > >> ]( mailto:[email protected] ) > >> Subject: [TGF] Old Genealogical Newsletters and Queries > >> > >> "...I am interested in hearing whether and how you have used > >> queries from old genealogical publications such as newsletters, and > >> if so whether you found them to be valuable?... > >> On a wider but related note, should old society newsletters be > >> archived or thrown in the trash?..." > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word > >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > >> message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 09:10:02 -0600 (CST) > > From: "Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist" > > <[email protected]> > > Subject: [TGF] Genealogy scholarship recipients > > To: [email protected] > > Message-ID: > > <[email protected]net > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > Each year my company offers several scholarships to transitional > > genealogists. > > The scholarships for 2015 have been posted at: > > > > http://www.forensicgenealogyservices.com/GivingBack.html > > > > best regards, > > > > Dee > > > > > > -- > > Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist (sm), Certificate 903 Contract > > Genealogist, US Navy POW/MIA Branch > > > > Mail address - PO Box 1085, Manvel TX 77578 Telephone/fax > > 281-595-3090 www.forensicgenealogyservices.com > > www.facebook.com/forensicgenealogist > > > > Certified Genealogist (CG) is a service mark (sm) of the Board for > > Certification of Genealogists?, conferred to associates who > > consistently meet ethical and competency standards in accord with > > peer-reviewed evaluations every five years, and the board name is > > registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office. > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > End of TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 8, Issue 369 > > *************************************************************** > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message -- Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist (sm), Certificate 903 Contract Genealogist, US Navy POW/MIA Branch Mail address - PO Box 1085, Manvel TX 77578 Telephone/fax 281-595-3090 www.forensicgenealogyservices.com www.facebook.com/forensicgenealogist Certified Genealogist (CG) is a service mark (sm) of the Board for Certification of Genealogists?, conferred to associates who consistently meet ethical and competency standards in accord with peer-reviewed evaluations every five years, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office. ------------------------------ End of TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 8, Issue 370 ***************************************************************

Something similar happened twice to me. One person was asked one question via email. She then mailed me a ton of copies of stuff I hadn't asked for and didn't need. She included a comment that she had worked hard for me, so a "voluntary" payment to her [not the society] would be appreciated. Another person kept trying to sell me her book which had some minor info on my subject's family. When I requested only the obits listed on the society website index, she asked if I could pay her because she was just a volunteer. My response in the first case was that I had never received an offer to contract for any research on my behalf, that I did appreciate that she had wanted to work hard on my behalf, but that I had never requested any of the stuff she'd sent. Second one I called and spoke candidly to the society director, thought you might like to know.... That's like the charities that send you a "free gift" to guilt you into making a donation. d > On December 4, 2014 at 10:10 PM Annette graham via > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I recently reached out to a historical society in an area where I am working a > project (area is just north of me). The local historian replied back and > shared lots of great town history and had personally researched a family that > had a connection to the one I am working on. > > After several pleasant emails, and a promise of information exchange on the > family she had researched (I had uncovered a lot on that family in my work my > project), the last email made mention of "payment" to her. I had not requested > any document retrieval, nor any additional research on my project outside of > the answers to my questions in the emails (ie: local history, railroad built > there). However, even though no mention of cost/payment was made because there > was nothing to have to pay for, the historical society person I have been > emailing is now implying that I pay her? > > How would you best handle this situation? No new research was made on her end. > She shared local town history that most societies would have given freely. She > shared information on the family she had already personally researched, but > not on my project specifically, except to confirm that my person had lived > with that family. She had no other information on the individual I was > researching. I was giving her credit in my report for the town history and on > her existing research that she shared, but I was surprised by her assumption > of payment when there had been no request for something that would have cost > her additional money. > > If I should pay her, should I pay her for the research she's already done on > her own and only shared with me via the email correspondence as well as the > local history knowledge she shared? > > This was a bit unanticipated and I want to make sure I handle this correctly. > > Annette Graham > Professional genealogist > APG, BU 2014 Spring > > > On Dec 4, 2014, at 2:01 AM, > > [email protected] wrote: > > > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: Old Genealogical Newsletters and Queries (Kizzie Newman) > > 2. Genealogy scholarship recipients > > (Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 09:43:58 -0500 > > From: Kizzie Newman <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [TGF] Old Genealogical Newsletters and Queries > > To: pgarratt <[email protected]>, > > [email protected] > > Message-ID: > > <[email protected]om> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > Phyllis and Connie: > > > > My late sister left a very large collection of items such as those > > referenced by Connie; commented on by Phyllis. > > > > Very close to Phyllis' group decision was ours as regards our sister's > > long-term collections. > > > > Of interest to me, was the information provided by several libraries with > > large genealogical collections, exception being the NSDAR, that space > > considerations were the deciding factor as to accepting or declining such > > offers. Furthermore, I was told, if I wished to transfer all to a CD/DVD, > > that would have been acceptable. > > > > Kizzie > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 6:21 PM, pgarratt via < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> Connie, we just went through this at our local Genealogical Society. We > >> categorized them primarily into three groups: > >> > >> 1. Society newsletters (local meeting news, what has been added to the > >> library, etc) - In nearly every case these were put into the recycle bin. > >> We did keep a few current ones for our local region (several surrounding > >> counties). > >> > >> 2. Society journals and magazines (articles on research techniques, > >> published records, indexes, etc.) - We kept all for our local area. Most of > >> those outside our local region (the rest of the state and the US) were > >> offered to members for free, although very few members were interested in > >> any of them. We tried to donate them to various libraries and no one wanted > >> them. Some publications were kept if we felt they had unusual content or we > >> had members who actually used them. Those making the decisions were > >> genealogists familiar with online resources as well as local, state and > >> national repositories for particular areas they knew well. > >> > >> 3. Published genealogies (such as the NGSQ) - we kept all of these. > >> > >> Our reason to purge was to make space for more useful items (currently in > >> boxes) such as reference books, county histories, more computers, and the > >> like. It was a controversial project but a necessary one. Many years of our > >> own publication were scanned and are in the process of being uploaded to > >> our website. > >> > >> As far as queries from old publications, I have never had any luck with > >> these at all. Where I have had tremendous success is Rootsweb mail lists. > >> Queries posted there have yielded the most amazing results. > >> > >> Phyllis > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: "Connie Sheets via" [ [email protected] > >> ]( mailto:[email protected] ) > >> Subject: [TGF] Old Genealogical Newsletters and Queries > >> > >> "...I am interested in hearing whether and how you have used queries from > >> old genealogical publications such as newsletters, and if so whether you > >> found them to be valuable?... > >> On a wider but related note, should old society newsletters be archived or > >> thrown in the trash?..." > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word > >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 09:10:02 -0600 (CST) > > From: "Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist" > > <[email protected]> > > Subject: [TGF] Genealogy scholarship recipients > > To: [email protected] > > Message-ID: > > <[email protected]net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > Each year my company offers several scholarships to transitional > > genealogists. > > The scholarships for 2015 have been posted at: > > > > http://www.forensicgenealogyservices.com/GivingBack.html > > > > best regards, > > > > Dee > > > > > > -- > > Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist (sm), Certificate 903 > > Contract Genealogist, US Navy POW/MIA Branch > > > > Mail address - PO Box 1085, Manvel TX 77578 > > Telephone/fax 281-595-3090 > > www.forensicgenealogyservices.com www.facebook.com/forensicgenealogist > > > > Certified Genealogist (CG) is a service mark (sm) of the Board for > > Certification > > of Genealogists?, conferred to > > associates who consistently meet ethical and competency standards in accord > > with > > peer-reviewed evaluations every > > five years, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark > > Office. > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > End of TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 8, Issue 369 > > *************************************************************** > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist (sm), Certificate 903 Contract Genealogist, US Navy POW/MIA Branch Mail address - PO Box 1085, Manvel TX 77578 Telephone/fax 281-595-3090 www.forensicgenealogyservices.com www.facebook.com/forensicgenealogist Certified Genealogist (CG) is a service mark (sm) of the Board for Certification of Genealogists®, conferred to associates who consistently meet ethical and competency standards in accord with peer-reviewed evaluations every five years, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office.

Yikes, and I am sorry that I did not trim all that digest material from the email. Patti

I would just ask her where had you been told that payment was expected. Places are usually careful to put something on their websites or tell you in an email before they provide the service that charges will be forthcoming. At least see what she says about how you were notified that you would be charged. Patti On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 10:10 PM, Annette graham via < [email protected]> wrote: > I recently reached out to a historical society in an area where I am > working a project (area is just north of me). The local historian replied > back and shared lots of great town history and had personally researched a > family that had a connection to the one I am working on. > > After several pleasant emails, and a promise of information exchange on > the family she had researched (I had uncovered a lot on that family in my > work my project), the last email made mention of "payment" to her. I had > not requested any document retrieval, nor any additional research on my > project outside of the answers to my questions in the emails (ie: local > history, railroad built there). However, even though no mention of > cost/payment was made because there was nothing to have to pay for, the > historical society person I have been emailing is now implying that I pay > her? > > How would you best handle this situation? No new research was made on her > end. She shared local town history that most societies would have given > freely. She shared information on the family she had already personally > researched, but not on my project specifically, except to confirm that my > person had lived with that family. She had no other information on the > individual I was researching. I was giving her credit in my report for the > town history and on her existing research that she shared, but I was > surprised by her assumption of payment when there had been no request for > something that would have cost her additional money. > > If I should pay her, should I pay her for the research she's already done > on her own and only shared with me via the email correspondence as well as > the local history knowledge she shared? > > This was a bit unanticipated and I want to make sure I handle this > correctly. > > Annette Graham > Professional genealogist > APG, BU 2014 Spring > > > On Dec 4, 2014, at 2:01 AM, > [email protected] wrote: > > > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: Old Genealogical Newsletters and Queries (Kizzie Newman) > > 2. Genealogy scholarship recipients > > (Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 09:43:58 -0500 > > From: Kizzie Newman <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [TGF] Old Genealogical Newsletters and Queries > > To: pgarratt <[email protected]>, > > [email protected] > > Message-ID: > > <[email protected]om> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > Phyllis and Connie: > > > > My late sister left a very large collection of items such as those > > referenced by Connie; commented on by Phyllis. > > > > Very close to Phyllis' group decision was ours as regards our sister's > > long-term collections. > > > > Of interest to me, was the information provided by several libraries with > > large genealogical collections, exception being the NSDAR, that space > > considerations were the deciding factor as to accepting or declining such > > offers. Furthermore, I was told, if I wished to transfer all to a CD/DVD, > > that would have been acceptable. > > > > Kizzie > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 6:21 PM, pgarratt via < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> Connie, we just went through this at our local Genealogical Society. We > >> categorized them primarily into three groups: > >> > >> 1. Society newsletters (local meeting news, what has been added to the > >> library, etc) - In nearly every case these were put into the recycle > bin. > >> We did keep a few current ones for our local region (several surrounding > >> counties). > >> > >> 2. Society journals and magazines (articles on research techniques, > >> published records, indexes, etc.) - We kept all for our local area. > Most of > >> those outside our local region (the rest of the state and the US) were > >> offered to members for free, although very few members were interested > in > >> any of them. We tried to donate them to various libraries and no one > wanted > >> them. Some publications were kept if we felt they had unusual content > or we > >> had members who actually used them. Those making the decisions were > >> genealogists familiar with online resources as well as local, state and > >> national repositories for particular areas they knew well. > >> > >> 3. Published genealogies (such as the NGSQ) - we kept all of these. > >> > >> Our reason to purge was to make space for more useful items (currently > in > >> boxes) such as reference books, county histories, more computers, and > the > >> like. It was a controversial project but a necessary one. Many years of > our > >> own publication were scanned and are in the process of being uploaded to > >> our website. > >> > >> As far as queries from old publications, I have never had any luck with > >> these at all. Where I have had tremendous success is Rootsweb mail > lists. > >> Queries posted there have yielded the most amazing results. > >> > >> Phyllis > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: "Connie Sheets via" [ > [email protected] > >> ]( mailto:[email protected] ) > >> Subject: [TGF] Old Genealogical Newsletters and Queries > >> > >> "...I am interested in hearing whether and how you have used queries > from > >> old genealogical publications such as newsletters, and if so whether you > >> found them to be valuable?... > >> On a wider but related note, should old society newsletters be archived > or > >> thrown in the trash?..." > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word > >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 09:10:02 -0600 (CST) > > From: "Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist" > > <[email protected]> > > Subject: [TGF] Genealogy scholarship recipients > > To: [email protected] > > Message-ID: > > <[email protected]net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > Each year my company offers several scholarships to transitional > genealogists. > > The scholarships for 2015 have been posted at: > > > > http://www.forensicgenealogyservices.com/GivingBack.html > > > > best regards, > > > > Dee > > > > > > -- > > Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist (sm), Certificate 903 > > Contract Genealogist, US Navy POW/MIA Branch > > > > Mail address - PO Box 1085, Manvel TX 77578 > > Telephone/fax 281-595-3090 > > www.forensicgenealogyservices.com www.facebook.com/forensicgenealogist > > > > Certified Genealogist (CG) is a service mark (sm) of the Board for > Certification > > of Genealogists?, conferred to > > associates who consistently meet ethical and competency standards in > accord with > > peer-reviewed evaluations every > > five years, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark > > Office. > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > End of TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 8, Issue 369 > > *************************************************************** > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I recently reached out to a historical society in an area where I am working a project (area is just north of me). The local historian replied back and shared lots of great town history and had personally researched a family that had a connection to the one I am working on. After several pleasant emails, and a promise of information exchange on the family she had researched (I had uncovered a lot on that family in my work my project), the last email made mention of "payment" to her. I had not requested any document retrieval, nor any additional research on my project outside of the answers to my questions in the emails (ie: local history, railroad built there). However, even though no mention of cost/payment was made because there was nothing to have to pay for, the historical society person I have been emailing is now implying that I pay her? How would you best handle this situation? No new research was made on her end. She shared local town history that most societies would have given freely. She shared information on the family she had already personally researched, but not on my project specifically, except to confirm that my person had lived with that family. She had no other information on the individual I was researching. I was giving her credit in my report for the town history and on her existing research that she shared, but I was surprised by her assumption of payment when there had been no request for something that would have cost her additional money. If I should pay her, should I pay her for the research she's already done on her own and only shared with me via the email correspondence as well as the local history knowledge she shared? This was a bit unanticipated and I want to make sure I handle this correctly. Annette Graham Professional genealogist APG, BU 2014 Spring > On Dec 4, 2014, at 2:01 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Old Genealogical Newsletters and Queries (Kizzie Newman) > 2. Genealogy scholarship recipients > (Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 09:43:58 -0500 > From: Kizzie Newman <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [TGF] Old Genealogical Newsletters and Queries > To: pgarratt <[email protected]>, > [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[email protected]om> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Phyllis and Connie: > > My late sister left a very large collection of items such as those > referenced by Connie; commented on by Phyllis. > > Very close to Phyllis' group decision was ours as regards our sister's > long-term collections. > > Of interest to me, was the information provided by several libraries with > large genealogical collections, exception being the NSDAR, that space > considerations were the deciding factor as to accepting or declining such > offers. Furthermore, I was told, if I wished to transfer all to a CD/DVD, > that would have been acceptable. > > Kizzie > > > > On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 6:21 PM, pgarratt via < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> Connie, we just went through this at our local Genealogical Society. We >> categorized them primarily into three groups: >> >> 1. Society newsletters (local meeting news, what has been added to the >> library, etc) - In nearly every case these were put into the recycle bin. >> We did keep a few current ones for our local region (several surrounding >> counties). >> >> 2. Society journals and magazines (articles on research techniques, >> published records, indexes, etc.) - We kept all for our local area. Most of >> those outside our local region (the rest of the state and the US) were >> offered to members for free, although very few members were interested in >> any of them. We tried to donate them to various libraries and no one wanted >> them. Some publications were kept if we felt they had unusual content or we >> had members who actually used them. Those making the decisions were >> genealogists familiar with online resources as well as local, state and >> national repositories for particular areas they knew well. >> >> 3. Published genealogies (such as the NGSQ) - we kept all of these. >> >> Our reason to purge was to make space for more useful items (currently in >> boxes) such as reference books, county histories, more computers, and the >> like. It was a controversial project but a necessary one. Many years of our >> own publication were scanned and are in the process of being uploaded to >> our website. >> >> As far as queries from old publications, I have never had any luck with >> these at all. Where I have had tremendous success is Rootsweb mail lists. >> Queries posted there have yielded the most amazing results. >> >> Phyllis >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: "Connie Sheets via" [ [email protected] >> ]( mailto:[email protected] ) >> Subject: [TGF] Old Genealogical Newsletters and Queries >> >> "...I am interested in hearing whether and how you have used queries from >> old genealogical publications such as newsletters, and if so whether you >> found them to be valuable?... >> On a wider but related note, should old society newsletters be archived or >> thrown in the trash?..." >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 09:10:02 -0600 (CST) > From: "Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist" > <[email protected]> > Subject: [TGF] Genealogy scholarship recipients > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[email protected]net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Each year my company offers several scholarships to transitional genealogists. > The scholarships for 2015 have been posted at: > > http://www.forensicgenealogyservices.com/GivingBack.html > > best regards, > > Dee > > > -- > Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist (sm), Certificate 903 > Contract Genealogist, US Navy POW/MIA Branch > > Mail address - PO Box 1085, Manvel TX 77578 > Telephone/fax 281-595-3090 > www.forensicgenealogyservices.com www.facebook.com/forensicgenealogist > > Certified Genealogist (CG) is a service mark (sm) of the Board for Certification > of Genealogists?, conferred to > associates who consistently meet ethical and competency standards in accord with > peer-reviewed evaluations every > five years, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark > Office. > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 8, Issue 369 > ***************************************************************

If she didn't tell you she expected to be paid, up front, before she gave you any information, then no - she doesn't get paid. Claudia Breland Gig Harbor, WA

Phyllis and Connie: My late sister left a very large collection of items such as those referenced by Connie; commented on by Phyllis. Very close to Phyllis' group decision was ours as regards our sister's long-term collections. Of interest to me, was the information provided by several libraries with large genealogical collections, exception being the NSDAR, that space considerations were the deciding factor as to accepting or declining such offers. Furthermore, I was told, if I wished to transfer all to a CD/DVD, that would have been acceptable. Kizzie On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 6:21 PM, pgarratt via < [email protected]> wrote: > > > Connie, we just went through this at our local Genealogical Society. We > categorized them primarily into three groups: > > 1. Society newsletters (local meeting news, what has been added to the > library, etc) - In nearly every case these were put into the recycle bin. > We did keep a few current ones for our local region (several surrounding > counties). > > 2. Society journals and magazines (articles on research techniques, > published records, indexes, etc.) - We kept all for our local area. Most of > those outside our local region (the rest of the state and the US) were > offered to members for free, although very few members were interested in > any of them. We tried to donate them to various libraries and no one wanted > them. Some publications were kept if we felt they had unusual content or we > had members who actually used them. Those making the decisions were > genealogists familiar with online resources as well as local, state and > national repositories for particular areas they knew well. > > 3. Published genealogies (such as the NGSQ) - we kept all of these. > > Our reason to purge was to make space for more useful items (currently in > boxes) such as reference books, county histories, more computers, and the > like. It was a controversial project but a necessary one. Many years of our > own publication were scanned and are in the process of being uploaded to > our website. > > As far as queries from old publications, I have never had any luck with > these at all. Where I have had tremendous success is Rootsweb mail lists. > Queries posted there have yielded the most amazing results. > > Phyllis > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Connie Sheets via" [ [email protected] > ]( mailto:[email protected] ) > Subject: [TGF] Old Genealogical Newsletters and Queries > > "...I am interested in hearing whether and how you have used queries from > old genealogical publications such as newsletters, and if so whether you > found them to be valuable?... > On a wider but related note, should old society newsletters be archived or > thrown in the trash?..." > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Each year my company offers several scholarships to transitional genealogists. The scholarships for 2015 have been posted at: http://www.forensicgenealogyservices.com/GivingBack.html best regards, Dee -- Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist (sm), Certificate 903 Contract Genealogist, US Navy POW/MIA Branch Mail address - PO Box 1085, Manvel TX 77578 Telephone/fax 281-595-3090 www.forensicgenealogyservices.com www.facebook.com/forensicgenealogist Certified Genealogist (CG) is a service mark (sm) of the Board for Certification of Genealogists®, conferred to associates who consistently meet ethical and competency standards in accord with peer-reviewed evaluations every five years, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office.

I am interested in hearing whether and how you have used queries from old genealogical publications such as newsletters, and if so whether you found them to be valuable? If yes, why were they valuable? Can you give some examples of how they helped? On a wider but related note, should old society newsletters be archived or thrown in the trash? If your society or library keeps some but not all such publications, what criteria do you use for deciding what to keep and what to dispose of? Connie Sheets Phoenix, AZ

Connie, we just went through this at our local Genealogical Society. We categorized them primarily into three groups: 1. Society newsletters (local meeting news, what has been added to the library, etc) - In nearly every case these were put into the recycle bin. We did keep a few current ones for our local region (several surrounding counties). 2. Society journals and magazines (articles on research techniques, published records, indexes, etc.) - We kept all for our local area. Most of those outside our local region (the rest of the state and the US) were offered to members for free, although very few members were interested in any of them. We tried to donate them to various libraries and no one wanted them. Some publications were kept if we felt they had unusual content or we had members who actually used them. Those making the decisions were genealogists familiar with online resources as well as local, state and national repositories for particular areas they knew well. 3. Published genealogies (such as the NGSQ) - we kept all of these. Our reason to purge was to make space for more useful items (currently in boxes) such as reference books, county histories, more computers, and the like. It was a controversial project but a necessary one. Many years of our own publication were scanned and are in the process of being uploaded to our website. As far as queries from old publications, I have never had any luck with these at all. Where I have had tremendous success is Rootsweb mail lists. Queries posted there have yielded the most amazing results. Phyllis -----Original Message----- From: "Connie Sheets via" [ [email protected] ]( mailto:[email protected] ) Subject: [TGF] Old Genealogical Newsletters and Queries "...I am interested in hearing whether and how you have used queries from old genealogical publications such as newsletters, and if so whether you found them to be valuable?... On a wider but related note, should old society newsletters be archived or thrown in the trash?..."

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Elizabeth, Thank you for responding to my question. I will study QuickLesson 4 at EE's website. I greatly appreciate your assistance. Cindy Kennedy ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 22:32:57 -0600 From: "eshown" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [TGF] First Reference Note for Civil War Pension Applications (Union): "Approved" or "Rejected" To: "TGF" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Cynthia wrote: >>My question is about the wording in the examples for the first reference notes on page 604 in EE, ?Case Files of Approved Pension Applications?? and ?Case Files of Rejected Pension Applications?? Maybe the answer to this question is obvious, but since I did not receive documentation from NARA concerning in which of the above groups (approved or rejected) the files that I ordered are located at NARA, should I include the phrases ?Case Files of Approved Pension Applications??or ?Case Files of Rejected Pension Applications?? based on my reading of the files? I hesitate to do this, without documentation. Then later Cynthia added: >I still need to find out if all unapproved applications would be filed under ?Case Files of Rejected Pension Applications?? , or if there was another designation for applications for which the applicant didn't submit all necessary information. Cynthia, you are right that EE does not cover every possible permutation of records from NARA--pensions or otherwise. That's not humanly possible, given the mass of records. However, QuickLesson 4 at EE's website provides a tutorial on how to use NARA finding aids to determine the exact name of the series, subgroup, etc., that you need to cite for whatever kind of records you get from NARA. <https://www.evidenceexplained.com/content/quicklesson-4-nara-citations-finding-aids> The situation there is the same as yours: Someone received records from NARA without an adequate identification. The records she received ARE different from the records you are discussing; but the kind of finding aid you need and the approach to use are the same. Hope this helps. Elizabeth ----------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG BCG trustee & past president www.HistoricPathways.com www.IsleofCanes.com www.EvidenceExplained.com & for daily tips on records and record usage: www.Facebook.com/ForgottenPeopleCaneRiverCreoles www.Facebook.com/EvidenceExplained QuickTips at www.EvidenceExplained.com/blogs/ee

Cynthia wrote: >>My question is about the wording in the examples for the first reference notes on page 604 in EE, “Case Files of Approved Pension Applications…” and “Case Files of Rejected Pension Applications…” Maybe the answer to this question is obvious, but since I did not receive documentation from NARA concerning in which of the above groups (approved or rejected) the files that I ordered are located at NARA, should I include the phrases “Case Files of Approved Pension Applications…”or “Case Files of Rejected Pension Applications…” based on my reading of the files? I hesitate to do this, without documentation. Then later Cynthia added: >I still need to find out if all unapproved applications would be filed under “Case Files of Rejected Pension Applications…” , or if there was another designation for applications for which the applicant didn't submit all necessary information. Cynthia, you are right that EE does not cover every possible permutation of records from NARA--pensions or otherwise. That's not humanly possible, given the mass of records. However, QuickLesson 4 at EE's website provides a tutorial on how to use NARA finding aids to determine the exact name of the series, subgroup, etc., that you need to cite for whatever kind of records you get from NARA. <https://www.evidenceexplained.com/content/quicklesson-4-nara-citations-finding-aids> The situation there is the same as yours: Someone received records from NARA without an adequate identification. The records she received ARE different from the records you are discussing; but the kind of finding aid you need and the approach to use are the same. Hope this helps. Elizabeth ----------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG BCG trustee & past president www.HistoricPathways.com www.IsleofCanes.com www.EvidenceExplained.com & for daily tips on records and record usage: www.Facebook.com/ForgottenPeopleCaneRiverCreoles www.Facebook.com/EvidenceExplained QuickTips at www.EvidenceExplained.com/blogs/ee ________________________________ From: Ann Gillespie <[email protected]> To: Cynthia Kennedy <[email protected]> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [TGF] First Reference Note for Civil War Pension Applications (Union): "Approved" or "Rejected" Cindy, If a Union pension file has both an application number and a certificate number, it was approved. If it only has an application number, it was not approved. That doesn't mean that it was rejected, per se, since in a number of cases the applicant never submitted all of the information necessary for the application to be considered. Ann Gillespie http://anngillespieresearch.com/ On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Cynthia Kennedy via <[email protected]> wrote: > >I need help with an issue concerning citations for Civil War Pension >application files (Union). I have studied 11.40 (page 603-604 in EE), >as well as this information from NARA >http://www.archives.gov/research/guide-fed-records/groups/015.html#15.7 >.3 > >Most of the pension application files that I have ordered from NARA >show that the men did receive a pension. I have two files for men who >did not receive a pension. Both of these files contain statements that >the application was submitted for rejection. > >My question is about the wording in the examples for the first >reference notes on page 604 in EE, “Case Files of Approved Pension >Applications…” and “Case Files of Rejected Pension Applications…” >Maybe the answer to this question is obvious, but since I did not >receive documentation from NARA concerning in which of the above groups >(approved or rejected) the files that I ordered are located at NARA, should I include the phrases “Case Files of Approved Pension Applications…” >or “Case Files of Rejected Pension Applications…” based on my reading of the files? I hesitate to do this, without documentation. > >How else would I know the classification of these pension application >files? I have also checked indexes on Fold3 and Ancestry, but did not >find anything there, either, about approved and rejected files. > >Any assistance would be much appreciated. > >Cindy Kennedy > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word >'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message