. . . as it should be in any profession. Thanks for the reminder, Judy! Harold Harold Henderson, CG midwestroots.net *Finding Ancestors in Fort Wayne: The Genealogist's Unofficial One-Stop Guide to the Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center * http://www.midwestroots.net/ <http://www.midwestroots.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/ACPLGC-April-2013.pdf> Certified Genealogist (SM) No. 1029 Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists® used by the Board to identify its program of genealogical competency evaluation and used under license by the Board’s associates. On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 8:44 AM, J.O.S. N. via < [email protected]> wrote: > > I would note that in academic circles having your work cited is a definite > plus not a minus. Having a widely cited paper is a source of pride. For > someone starting out having your dissertation cited is very good. > > Judy Newman > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My situation is similar but with a twist.  I have been writing biographies on certain individuals in a particular line.  The first bio went OK and I am writing two more (both in progress). I completed the second one, though I contributed a very small part of the information.  What this was - was a re-write and a different format of a genealogy compiled by a woman who is now dead since the 1990s.  I was able to add a little to it.  I felt strongly to locate her only daughter to get permission to share since in my opinion, this is her mother's work and likely in copyright after the mother's death. Since I couldn't find her (totally unknown) I was able to reach two or three of her children and they gave me written permission to use her work and were thrilled I was doing this. I'm wondering though if I am skating on thin ice since the deceased compiler's only child does not know anything about it because no one, including her children, knows where she is. Hoping to cover myself I wrote the following at the end of the work:"I claim nocopyright to this work.  I give  Mrs. Ruth all the credit forthis work."This work is not for sale, but is free for the asking. "WARNING:  Do notpreserve this or post this on the Internet, Face Book, Cloud storage,Ancestry.com or any other means, mechanical or electronic, due to possible copyright violation."Permission to use and share so and so's workis granted by her grandson, 8 August 2014, her granddaughteradult middle child, and Oldest adult child, 6 October 2014."Permission to use newspaper clippings from the CorydonDemocrat granted by Jo Ann Spieth-Saylor, 8 August 2014."Did I get myself in deep water?  If I did, what would be the remedy?Cheryl ProctorSouthern Indiana

Thank you, Elizabeth. I must have been thinking that the fact it is unpublished made a difference, which it doesn't. Margaret On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Margaret R. Fortier <[email protected]> wrote: > > I would like to cite material in a Ph.D dissertation which is unpublished > in book form, but published electronically by the university and publicly > available through the university. The author, of course, retains copyright. > > My question is whether I should contact the author when I know > specifically what I would cite or should I ask permission giving a general > guideline of the material I am interested in? So really a question of > timing. Is there a protocol for this? I do not expect to quote from the > material extensively; it is more for sourcing historical context. > > Thanks for your guidance. > > > Margaret R. Fortier > *Research, Relate, Reveal* > > > -- Margaret R. Fortier, Genealogist *Research, Relate, Reveal*

>Thank you, Elizabeth. I must have been thinking that the fact it is unpublished made a difference, which it doesn't. But also consider: If it's online, it IS published. Elizabeth --------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG www.HistoricPathways.com www.EvidenceExplained.com & for everyday tips on records and record usage: https://www.evidenceexplained.com/quicktips/ee www.Facebook.com/ForgottenPeopleCaneRiverCreoles

I would like to cite material in a Ph.D dissertation which is unpublished in book form, but published electronically by the university and publicly available through the university. The author, of course, retains copyright. My question is whether I should contact the author when I know specifically what I would cite or should I ask permission giving a general guideline of the material I am interested in? So really a question of timing. Is there a protocol for this? I do not expect to quote from the material extensively; it is more for sourcing historical context. Thanks for your guidance. Margaret R. Fortier *Research, Relate, Reveal*

Margaret wrote: >I would like to cite material in a Ph.D dissertation which is unpublished in book form, but published electronically by the university and publicly available through the university. The author, of course, retains copyright. >My question is whether I should contact the author when I know specifically what I would cite or should I ask permission giving a general guideline of the material I am interested in? So really a question of timing. Is there a protocol for this? I do not expect to quote from the material extensively; it is more for sourcing historical context. Margaret, Citing someone's work does not require permission. Quoting someone's work can require permission, depending upon how much is used. The old "rule of three," which I learned decades ago as a history major, usually works at times like this. - If we quote more than three words in a string, we use quotation marks. - If we quote more than three or so sentences from a short work (like an article), we should ask permission. - If we quote more than three or so paragraphs from a long work (such as a dissertation or book), we should ask permission. Elizabeth ---------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG www.HistoricPathways.com www.EvidenceExplained.com AUTHOR OF: Evidence Explained: Citing History Sources from Artifacts to Cyberspace Evidence! Citation & Analysis for the Family Historian Professional Genealogy: A Manual for Researchers, Writers, Editors, Lecturers & Librarians & now . at Louisiana State University Press: The Forgotten People: Cane River's Creoles of Color New edition-significantly revised and expanded

Here are my thoughts on the matter.I would accept the death date and place as correct information because the record was made near the time of the event. As for the informant on the death record, chances are he was not around when your target person was born.  That is apparent when he entered the descendant's . You may have to use the biographical sketch that was published. As for headstones, I would say those might be doubtful.  1.  The birth information is not near the time of the purchase of the stone.  2. Be sure the death date matches what is on the death record.I must warn you, it has been my experience that there are many headstones with erroneous information.  Some stones were purchased near the time of the event, while others may have purchased them years later and placed at the grave.  Likely, the dates are from memory.  Sadly, some stones were placed in the wrong area. But, before you pass by the possibility of the correct dates on the stone, check it out, take a picture of it. Have you checked obits, newspaper articles and such in the local newspapers?  I have great success (so far) with Access Newspaper.com and have found some interesting things.  I access that at my local Family History Center. Don't mean to be wordy.  I wish you good luck in your first lineage society application for a client.  This will be a learning experience for you and him. Cheryl ProctorSouthern Indiana On Friday, December 12, 2014 10:52 PM, Patricia Hobbs via <[email protected]> wrote: I think that it could be argued that the biography is better information given that the informant on the DC was the attending physician. Is there a tombstone? On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 9:47 PM, Patricia Hobbs <[email protected]> wrote: > What about Social Security? His SSA would have contained the birth date he > himself claimed. > > Patti > > On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Greg Lovelace via < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Greetings, colleagues. >> >> >> >> I am working on my first lineage application for a client.  He is >> attempting >> to join the Society of Colonial Wars (SCW) through an ancestor in >> Charleston, SC and has drafted his application/proof statement.  I'm >> trying >> to help him through with the nuts and bolts (sources, citations, etc.) to >> make his application the best it can be.  I am having a problem with proof >> of his grandfather's birth.  He claims a birthdate and birthplace for his >> grandfather that differs from the one on the man's death certificate.  The >> informant for the death certificate was the attending physician, who may >> not >> have known the correct birthdate.  He did not know the names of the >> parents, >> and listed them as unknown.  The only other source the client offers for >> the >> birth information is a biographical sketch from the grandfather's >> personnel >> file at the US Public Health Service, where he was employed as a >> physician, >> obtained from the PHS historian back in the early 2000s.  I am pretty >> confident with the names of the grandfather's parents, as it is based on >> marriage and census records, but I am uncomfortable using this as the only >> source for his birthdate and birthplace.  However, it appears there is >> nothing else except the death certificate that gives that information. >> >> >> >> Have any of you prepared an application to the SCW?  Would the >> biographical >> sketch, filed in the subject's personnel folder in the archives of a US >> governmental agency, pass muster for a lineage application such as this? >> >> >> >> Thanks for any guidance. >> >> >> >> Peace, >> >> Part of the Tree, >> >> Greg >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would say if you have done a reasonably exhaustive search for birth information that the biographical evidence is the best you have. ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: [TGF] Help needed on lineage application From: "Greg Lovelace via" <[email protected]> Date: Fri, December 12, 2014 6:51 pm To: [email protected] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Lovelace via wrote: > Greetings, colleagues. > > > > I am working on my first lineage application for a client. He is attempting > to join the Society of Colonial Wars (SCW) through an ancestor in > Charleston, SC and has drafted his application/proof statement. I'm trying > to help him through with the nuts and bolts (sources, citations, etc.) to > make his application the best it can be. I am having a problem with proof > of his grandfather's birth. He claims a birthdate and birthplace for his > grandfather that differs from the one on the man's death certificate. The > informant for the death certificate was the attending physician, who may not > have known the correct birthdate. He did not know the names of the parents, > and listed them as unknown. The only other source the client offers for the > birth information is a biographical sketch from the grandfather's personnel > file at the US Public Health Service, where he was employed as a physician, > obtained from the PHS historian back in the early 2000s. I am pretty > confident with the names of the grandfather's parents, as it is based on > marriage and census records, but I am uncomfortable using this as the only > source for his birthdate and birthplace. However, it appears there is > nothing else except the death certificate that gives that information. > > > > Have any of you prepared an application to the SCW? Would the biographical > sketch, filed in the subject's personnel folder in the archives of a US > governmental agency, pass muster for a lineage application such as this? > > > > Thanks for any guidance. > > > > Peace, > > Part of the Tree, > > Greg > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > �

Greetings, colleagues. I am working on my first lineage application for a client. He is attempting to join the Society of Colonial Wars (SCW) through an ancestor in Charleston, SC and has drafted his application/proof statement. I'm trying to help him through with the nuts and bolts (sources, citations, etc.) to make his application the best it can be. I am having a problem with proof of his grandfather's birth. He claims a birthdate and birthplace for his grandfather that differs from the one on the man's death certificate. The informant for the death certificate was the attending physician, who may not have known the correct birthdate. He did not know the names of the parents, and listed them as unknown. The only other source the client offers for the birth information is a biographical sketch from the grandfather's personnel file at the US Public Health Service, where he was employed as a physician, obtained from the PHS historian back in the early 2000s. I am pretty confident with the names of the grandfather's parents, as it is based on marriage and census records, but I am uncomfortable using this as the only source for his birthdate and birthplace. However, it appears there is nothing else except the death certificate that gives that information. Have any of you prepared an application to the SCW? Would the biographical sketch, filed in the subject's personnel folder in the archives of a US governmental agency, pass muster for a lineage application such as this? Thanks for any guidance. Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg

I think that it could be argued that the biography is better information given that the informant on the DC was the attending physician. Is there a tombstone? On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 9:47 PM, Patricia Hobbs <[email protected]> wrote: > What about Social Security? His SSA would have contained the birth date he > himself claimed. > > Patti > > On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Greg Lovelace via < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Greetings, colleagues. >> >> >> >> I am working on my first lineage application for a client. He is >> attempting >> to join the Society of Colonial Wars (SCW) through an ancestor in >> Charleston, SC and has drafted his application/proof statement. I'm >> trying >> to help him through with the nuts and bolts (sources, citations, etc.) to >> make his application the best it can be. I am having a problem with proof >> of his grandfather's birth. He claims a birthdate and birthplace for his >> grandfather that differs from the one on the man's death certificate. The >> informant for the death certificate was the attending physician, who may >> not >> have known the correct birthdate. He did not know the names of the >> parents, >> and listed them as unknown. The only other source the client offers for >> the >> birth information is a biographical sketch from the grandfather's >> personnel >> file at the US Public Health Service, where he was employed as a >> physician, >> obtained from the PHS historian back in the early 2000s. I am pretty >> confident with the names of the grandfather's parents, as it is based on >> marriage and census records, but I am uncomfortable using this as the only >> source for his birthdate and birthplace. However, it appears there is >> nothing else except the death certificate that gives that information. >> >> >> >> Have any of you prepared an application to the SCW? Would the >> biographical >> sketch, filed in the subject's personnel folder in the archives of a US >> governmental agency, pass muster for a lineage application such as this? >> >> >> >> Thanks for any guidance. >> >> >> >> Peace, >> >> Part of the Tree, >> >> Greg >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

What about Social Security? His SSA would have contained the birth date he himself claimed. Patti On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Greg Lovelace via < [email protected]> wrote: > Greetings, colleagues. > > > > I am working on my first lineage application for a client. He is > attempting > to join the Society of Colonial Wars (SCW) through an ancestor in > Charleston, SC and has drafted his application/proof statement. I'm trying > to help him through with the nuts and bolts (sources, citations, etc.) to > make his application the best it can be. I am having a problem with proof > of his grandfather's birth. He claims a birthdate and birthplace for his > grandfather that differs from the one on the man's death certificate. The > informant for the death certificate was the attending physician, who may > not > have known the correct birthdate. He did not know the names of the > parents, > and listed them as unknown. The only other source the client offers for > the > birth information is a biographical sketch from the grandfather's personnel > file at the US Public Health Service, where he was employed as a physician, > obtained from the PHS historian back in the early 2000s. I am pretty > confident with the names of the grandfather's parents, as it is based on > marriage and census records, but I am uncomfortable using this as the only > source for his birthdate and birthplace. However, it appears there is > nothing else except the death certificate that gives that information. > > > > Have any of you prepared an application to the SCW? Would the biographical > sketch, filed in the subject's personnel folder in the archives of a US > governmental agency, pass muster for a lineage application such as this? > > > > Thanks for any guidance. > > > > Peace, > > Part of the Tree, > > Greg > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I don't know if this will help or not, but did you check the marriage indexes for Nevada since it was popular for quick marriages? I am assuming you checked the mother's obit and that's how you learned of the siblings.  Was Celia listed as Parker as one of the survivors? Just a shot in the dark. Cheryl On Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:02 PM, Jill Morelli via <[email protected]> wrote: I am sure you have this but SearchBug shows a Celia Parker in Ft. Worth TX of the right age 67. Jill Give the gift of family! Need a lecturer or a unique gift for a special event? Ask to see options. On Dec 11, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Janice Nickerson via <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Fellow Listers, > > I am working on an heir search case that's proving a really tough nut to > crack. If anyone out there has any ideas or clues to finding the following > woman, I'd love to hear them: > > Celia Lois Parker > - born 10 September 1947, San Joaquin County, California > - raised in California > - probably went to high school in Petaluma > - last known to be living in a mobile home in Santa Fe, New Mexico in 1999 > - never married to the best of our knowledge > > I've searched the SSDI by date of birth in addition to name variants and > don't see any likely matches. She doesn't appear to be listed in the major > "people search" databases. I don't see any marriages or divorces for her in > the California indexes. Her mother died in 1999 and that's the last her > sister and brother saw of her. Her brother is since deceased (2008) and she > could not be found to be notified. > > Anyone out there got any ideas? > > Janice > > ============================================ > Janice Nickerson > Upper Canada Genealogy > Suite 2807, 33 Isabella Street > Toronto, Ontario  M4Y 2P7 > www.uppercanadagenealogy.com > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Fellow Listers, I am working on an heir search case that's proving a really tough nut to crack. If anyone out there has any ideas or clues to finding the following woman, I'd love to hear them: Celia Lois Parker - born 10 September 1947, San Joaquin County, California - raised in California - probably went to high school in Petaluma - last known to be living in a mobile home in Santa Fe, New Mexico in 1999 - never married to the best of our knowledge I've searched the SSDI by date of birth in addition to name variants and don't see any likely matches. She doesn't appear to be listed in the major "people search" databases. I don't see any marriages or divorces for her in the California indexes. Her mother died in 1999 and that's the last her sister and brother saw of her. Her brother is since deceased (2008) and she could not be found to be notified. Anyone out there got any ideas? Janice ============================================ Janice Nickerson Upper Canada Genealogy Suite 2807, 33 Isabella Street Toronto, Ontario   M4Y 2P7 www.uppercanadagenealogy.com

I am sure you have this but SearchBug shows a Celia Parker in Ft. Worth TX of the right age 67. Jill Give the gift of family! Need a lecturer or a unique gift for a special event? Ask to see options. On Dec 11, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Janice Nickerson via <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Fellow Listers, > > I am working on an heir search case that's proving a really tough nut to > crack. If anyone out there has any ideas or clues to finding the following > woman, I'd love to hear them: > > Celia Lois Parker > - born 10 September 1947, San Joaquin County, California > - raised in California > - probably went to high school in Petaluma > - last known to be living in a mobile home in Santa Fe, New Mexico in 1999 > - never married to the best of our knowledge > > I've searched the SSDI by date of birth in addition to name variants and > don't see any likely matches. She doesn't appear to be listed in the major > "people search" databases. I don't see any marriages or divorces for her in > the California indexes. Her mother died in 1999 and that's the last her > sister and brother saw of her. Her brother is since deceased (2008) and she > could not be found to be notified. > > Anyone out there got any ideas? > > Janice > > ============================================ > Janice Nickerson > Upper Canada Genealogy > Suite 2807, 33 Isabella Street > Toronto, Ontario M4Y 2P7 > www.uppercanadagenealogy.com > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You can look at the online index for Cook County - http://www.cookcountyclerkofcourt.org/?section=CASEINFOPage&CASEINFOPage=4210 Give the office a call after finding the right file and order. Be careful on what you order copies of or it could be oodles of pages. Affidavit of death/record, letters of administration and list of heirs from start to finish. In Illinois the first page is $2.50, then it is 50c per page up to 25 copies (can't quite remember # here), then 25c per page after that amount.  Ann L. Wells From: Eva Goodwin via <[email protected]> To: Genealogy Guide <[email protected]> Cc: TGF <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [TGF] death certificates Thanks so much for all the responses. My guess is that she never had a SSN--she was not born in the US and though her husband naturalized and did apply for social security, she may never have needed to. I did search for her with many different name variations. She does have a probate file in Chicago, but I was trying to find a date of death so that I could request the death certificate by mail. The SSDI is so handy for that! (I live in California so it's not something I can investigate in person.) On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:07 AM, Genealogy Guide via < [email protected]> wrote: > In response to the "why no listing in the SSDI" part of Eva's question, > not all U.S. citizens have Social Security numbers, even today. Laws for > registration and collection have changed over the years. Some categories of > workers used to be exempt. Some who have never been employed might not have > had reason for an SSN. This includes my aged mentally ill uncle who died in > 2012. > Charlene M. Pipkin, Accredited Genealogist® > The ICAPGenSM service mark and the Accredited Genealogist® and AG® > certification marks are > the sole property of the International Commission for the Accreditation of > Professional Genealogists. All Rights Reserved. > >      On Tuesday, December 9, 2014 6:57 PM, Eva Goodwin via < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > >  A question for the hive-mind: > > Aside from the possibility that an individual was out of the country at the > time of death, is there any reason why a U.S. resident who died in 2009 > would not have a death certificate or be in the Social Security death > index? > > Thanks for sharing thoughts! > Eva > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I agree with Suzanne. I'm not sure if they are among the lately expunged records, but I have seen Railroad Retirement Board records in the SSDI going back into the 1940s and 1950s... as opposed to the SS nos. that barely begin by the early 1960s. Michael Hait, CG(sm) [email protected] http://www.haitfamilyresearch.com Author of *Online State Resources for Genealogy* ebook More information at http://haitfamilyresearch.com/onlineStates.htm CG and Certified Genealogist are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic competency evaluation, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office. -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Johnston via Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 8:50 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TGF] death certificates [RR & SSDI] On the other hand, my husband had a RR ID number and he is listed in the SSDI. I think it's more a matter of who is retired and whose death is reported, rather than whether it's a SS # or a RR #. I could be wrong. Suzanne Johnston, Pittsburgh On 12/10/2014 2:24 PM, Ida Skarson McCormick via wrote: > The Railroad Retirement System is also a federal program. Many people when > starting their working lives received a RR ID number instead of a Social > Security number and do not appear in the SSDI. > > A friend worked for Union Pacific Railroad's Sun Valley, Idaho, ski resort > in the late 1930s and early 1940s. She worked many more years in jobs > covered under Social Security, but her ID # was not converted. > > Likewise another friend started working in the early 1950s for the Great > Northern Railway in Seattle. Later he worked on jobs covered under Social > Security, but his number was not converted. > > Neither of them is in the SSDI. > > --Ida Skarson McCormick, [email protected], Seattle > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On the other hand, my husband had a RR ID number and he is listed in the SSDI. I think it's more a matter of who is retired and whose death is reported, rather than whether it's a SS # or a RR #. I could be wrong. Suzanne Johnston, Pittsburgh On 12/10/2014 2:24 PM, Ida Skarson McCormick via wrote: > The Railroad Retirement System is also a federal program. Many people when > starting their working lives received a RR ID number instead of a Social > Security number and do not appear in the SSDI. > > A friend worked for Union Pacific Railroad's Sun Valley, Idaho, ski resort > in the late 1930s and early 1940s. She worked many more years in jobs > covered under Social Security, but her ID # was not converted. > > Likewise another friend started working in the early 1950s for the Great > Northern Railway in Seattle. Later he worked on jobs covered under Social > Security, but his number was not converted. > > Neither of them is in the SSDI. > > --Ida Skarson McCormick, [email protected], Seattle > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Those are the instructions to the enumerators. So, we /hope and assume/ those instructions were followed. Our conclusions incorporate other enumerations and other records supporting or refuting the 1820 statistics. On 12/10/2014 5:15 PM, Harold Henderson via wrote: > Greg -- That's my understanding. -- Harold > > Harold Henderson, CG midwestroots.net > > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Greg Lovelace via < > [email protected]> wrote: >> All, >> >> [1820 census] The age ranges for free white males include one column for 16-18, and one >> column for 16 and under 26. >> >> Assume there is one male listed in the 16-18 and only one male listed in >> the 16-26. That means there is only one male between 16 and 25, and he is also >> the same one listed as between 16 and 18. Correct? >> >> Assume there is one male listed in the 16-26 column, and no male listed in >> the 16-18 column. That means that the one male 16-26 is actually between >> 18 and 26. Correct? >> >> Duhhh. this stuff is driving me nuts. >> >> Peace, >> Part of the Tree, >> Greg

You should not have to hire anyone. My experience has been that every clerk's office responsible for probate records has a search and order fulfillment procedure. This is a real common request. The most common procedure in my experience has been a website with instructions, or a number to call. Some probate files are even online in some counties. The search fees have ranged from $5 to $10 and usually span a 5-10 year period, with an additional charge to search more years. Once the file is located, the clerk notified the inquirer with the page count and asked what specific items from the file did the inquirer need, then a cost was provided. Some clerk's take checks, some want money orders of cashier checks. A few accept credit cards. For legal cases, with authorization from my client, I usually only ask for the cover page with cause number, court, identification of the decedent, etc.; and ALL the page/s that name the heirs. I have requested a copy of only the d/c when it was not available elsewhere but the clerk said it was included and available under that laws of that jurisdiction. You just need good questions prepared for the clerk to understand what they will do for you. Mileage for other folks may vary. :-) I am working on one probate case now that has required probate searches for 36 descendants who post-deceased my 1940s decedent. My experience has been that probate cases are the easiest records to get in some jurisdictions. best regards, Dee > On December 10, 2014 at 4:19 PM Eva Goodwin <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dee, I haven't yet - I'll have to hire someone in Chicago to do that. That's > my next step. > > > > > > > > -- > > Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist (sm), Certificate 903 > > Contract Genealogist, US Navy POW/MIA Branch > > > > Mail address - PO Box 1085, Manvel TX 77578 > > Telephone/fax 281-595-3090 <tel:281-595-3090> > > > > <http://www.forensicgenealogyservices.com><http://www.facebook.com/forensicgenealogist> > > > > > > Certified Genealogist (CG) is a service mark (sm) of the Board for > > Certification > > of Genealogists®, conferred to associates who consistently meet ethical > > and competency standards in accord withpeer-reviewed evaluations every five > > years, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark > > Office. > > > > > > >

All, I would like someone to confirm my logic on an 1820 census item. The age ranges for free white males include one column for 16-18, and one column for 16 and under 26. Assume there is one male listed in the 16-18 and only one male listed in the 16-26. That means there is only one male between 16 and 25, and he is also the same one listed as between 16 and 18. Correct? Assume there is one male listed in the 16-26 column, and no male listed in the 16-18 column. That means that the one male 16-26 is actually between 18 and 26. Correct? Duhhh. this stuff is driving me nuts. Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg