Let me add my thanks and good wishes to those of Mary and Suzanne. I learn so much from the members of this list, and I'm grateful for everyone's generosity in sharing their knowledge! Annette Annette Burke Lyttle HERITAGE DETECTIVE, LLC Westminster, Colorado 303-217-3452 [email protected] http://heritagedetective.com

Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, Seasons Greetings, Happy Chanukah & Kwanzi to all my genealogical and non-genealogical friends on this list and any other lists to which I may subscribe!  Mary Clement DouglassTranscribing & publishing Kansas genealogical records "If you can’t get rid of the skeleton in your closet, you’d best teach it to dance." – George Bernard Shaw

Greetings to you as well! I hope all of you on this and other lists have a great holiday season and I thank each of you for all that you have taught me this year. With every question asked and answered, we all get a chance to become better genealogists and I am very thankful for that! Suzanne > On Dec 25, 2014, at 1:00 PM, Mary Douglass via <[email protected]> wrote: > > Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, Seasons Greetings, Happy Chanukah & Kwanzi to all my genealogical and non-genealogical friends on this list and any other lists to which I may subscribe! > Mary Clement DouglassTranscribing & publishing Kansas genealogical records > "If you can’t get rid of the skeleton in your closet, you’d best teach it to dance." – George Bernard Shaw > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is not a consent of a guardian. Note the "she being of age." Ginsey/Jinse was over 21. I have often seen females over 21 write a note to the clerk giving permission for a license to be issued. In this case you have the note of the intended bride giving consent to the license being issued and the mother's testimony that her daughter was "of age" combined in one document by the scribe followed by both "signatures." The bond is standard text. The text of the permission reads: Where as there is an intention of a Marrge Betwin My Daughter Ginsey and John Adkins she Being of age this is to authorise you to grant a Licence for the same given under my hand This 22.nd day of Ja^ry 1796 Ann X [her mark] Lumpkin Jense X ^her [mark] Lumkin Witness [signed] William atkins To M^r W^m [illegible letter] Thompson [Added stamped text] A Copy Teste: Vickie Shelton, dep [signed] Clerk Circuit Court Halifax Co, Va. [There should have been a date, but it does not show on the copy.] Barbara Vines Little, CG, FNGS, FVGS PO Box 1273 Orange, VA 22960 540-832-3473 [email protected] CG, Certified Genealogist, is a service mark of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board-certified genealogists after periodic evaluation; the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office. On 12/24/2014 10:21 AM, LeRoy Atkins wrote: > Barbara, > > Thank you. This image has the marriage bond and the consent. The one I > am concerned with is the consent at the bottom of the image. My > biggest question is have I transcribed the names at the bottom of > consent correctly? > > Why would a daughter sign or place her mark on the consent for her own > marriage? > > Thank you for your thoughts. > > I acknowledge that I have not yet written a citation. A cousin had a > clerk pull this record. He emailed it to me, without knowing where it > was taken from. > > LeRoy Atkins > > -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Vines Little > Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 8:04 AM > To: LeRoy Atkins > Subject: Re: [TGF] 1796 Virginia Marriage Consent > > Send me a copy and I will look at it. > > Barbara Vines Little, CG, FNGS, FVGS > PO Box 1273 > Orange, VA 22960 > > 540-832-3473 > [email protected] > > CG, Certified Genealogist, is a service mark of the Board for > Certification of Genealogists, used > under license by board-certified genealogists after periodic > evaluation; the board name is > registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office. > > On 12/22/2014 11:59 AM, LeRoy Atkins via wrote: >> Is there any condition in which a mother might give consent for the >> marriage >> of her daughter, in 1796 Virginia? >> >> Perhaps I am not transcribing the consent correctly. If you are >> willing to >> look at the consent, as well as my transcription, please email me at >> [email protected] >> >> I need your criticism. >> >> Thank you, >> >> LeRoy Atkins >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message >> >>

Off hand, without knowing a lot about Virginia laws specifically, it would appear that the bride was underage. And it seems more likely/probable that her father was dead or otherwise indisposed that he did not give consent. On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 10:59 AM, LeRoy Atkins via < [email protected]> wrote: > Is there any condition in which a mother might give consent for the > marriage > of her daughter, in 1796 Virginia? > > Perhaps I am not transcribing the consent correctly. If you are willing to > look at the consent, as well as my transcription, please email me at > [email protected] > > I need your criticism. > > Thank you, > > LeRoy Atkins > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Is there any condition in which a mother might give consent for the marriage of her daughter, in 1796 Virginia? Perhaps I am not transcribing the consent correctly. If you are willing to look at the consent, as well as my transcription, please email me at [email protected] I need your criticism. Thank you, LeRoy Atkins

Oh, brother. Cheryl ProctorSouthern Indiana On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 3:59 PM, Harold Henderson via <[email protected]> wrote: Donn -- Thank you for keeping us on the cutting edge! -- Harold Harold Henderson, CG            midwestroots.net *Finding Ancestors in Fort Wayne: The Genealogist's Unofficial One-Stop Guide to the Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center * http://www.midwestroots.net/ <http://www.midwestroots.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/ACPLGC-April-2013.pdf> Certified Genealogist (SM) No. 1029 Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists® used by the Board to identify its program of genealogical competency evaluation and used under license by the Board’s associates. On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 2:51 PM, DonnDevine via < [email protected]> wrote: > > > UK Proposes Rules for Three-Parent Embryos > > > > http://bigstory.ap.org/article/8e4b9deb644742f6b7d880b5e3691907/uk-proposes- > rules-embryos-made-3-people# > > Donn > > > Donn Devine,  CG, FNGS > Consultant, Documentary and Genetic Genealogy > > CG and  Certified Genealogist are proprietary service marks of the Board > for  Certification of Genealogy, used under license by its certificants > after > periodic review of their genealogical competence, and the Board name is > registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark  Office. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello everyone, I've slowed down on my client work quite a bit this last year, in order to do more writing and lecturing. I've been contemplating ways I can give back to the genealogy community, and I would like to start an informal mentoring program for aspiring professional genealogists. I'm thinking mostly of those who are just starting out, not taking paying clients and have not taken ProGen. Please email me off-list if you're interested. Thanks, Claudia Breland Gig Harbor, WA

Thank you so much for all the responses. I appreciate the quick replies! I have found someone to do this lookup Deborah Sweeney ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 12:00:57 AM Subject: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 8, Issue 385 Today's Topics: 1. Re: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 8, Issue 384 (Joyce Homan) 2. Re: citing a disertation (Karen Rhodes) 3. Re: citing a disertation (eshown) 4. Re: citing a disertation ([email protected]) 5. Look-up at FHL ([email protected]) 6. Re: citing a disertation (Karen Rhodes) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 22:26:49 +0000 (UTC) From: [email protected] Subject: [TGF] Look-up at FHL To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hello, I am looking for someone who would be able to find a land record for me at the Family History Library in Salt Lake. The records are available on microfilm. Please contact me off-list and let me know your rates. Thank you, Deborah Sweeney Genealogy Lady www.genealogylady.net [email protected] Elk Grove, CA

UK Proposes Rules for Three-Parent Embryos http://bigstory.ap.org/article/8e4b9deb644742f6b7d880b5e3691907/uk-proposes- rules-embryos-made-3-people# Donn Donn Devine, CG, FNGS Consultant, Documentary and Genetic Genealogy CG and Certified Genealogist are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogy, used under license by its certificants after periodic review of their genealogical competence, and the Board name is registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office.

Donn -- Thank you for keeping us on the cutting edge! -- Harold Harold Henderson, CG midwestroots.net *Finding Ancestors in Fort Wayne: The Genealogist's Unofficial One-Stop Guide to the Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center * http://www.midwestroots.net/ <http://www.midwestroots.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/ACPLGC-April-2013.pdf> Certified Genealogist (SM) No. 1029 Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists® used by the Board to identify its program of genealogical competency evaluation and used under license by the Board’s associates. On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 2:51 PM, DonnDevine via < [email protected]> wrote: > > > UK Proposes Rules for Three-Parent Embryos > > > > http://bigstory.ap.org/article/8e4b9deb644742f6b7d880b5e3691907/uk-proposes- > rules-embryos-made-3-people# > > Donn > > > Donn Devine, CG, FNGS > Consultant, Documentary and Genetic Genealogy > > CG and Certified Genealogist are proprietary service marks of the Board > for Certification of Genealogy, used under license by its certificants > after > periodic review of their genealogical competence, and the Board name is > registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello, I am looking for someone who would be able to find a land record for me at the Family History Library in Salt Lake. The records are available on microfilm. Please contact me off-list and let me know your rates. Thank you, Deborah Sweeney Genealogy Lady www.genealogylady.net [email protected] Elk Grove, CA

On 12/16/2014 3:57 PM, sevans50 via wrote: > Karen, congratulations on a huge accomplishment! > Stefani Evans > > Sent from my iPhone > > Thanks to all who sent good wishes. Yes, it's an accomplishment, especially at my age! Karen Packard Rhodes Middleburg, Clay County, Florida

Karen Packard Rhodes wrote: >I've just finished my thesis. Getting ready to send it to my committee. Congratulations, Karen! --------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG www.HistoricPathways.com www.EvidenceExplained.com & for everyday tips on records and record usage: https://www.evidenceexplained.com/quicktips/ee www.Facebook.com/ForgottenPeopleCaneRiverCreoles

Karen, congratulations on a huge accomplishment! Stefani Evans Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 16, 2014, at 11:28 AM, eshown via <[email protected]> wrote: > > Karen Packard Rhodes wrote: >> I've just finished my thesis. Getting ready to send it to my committee. > > Congratulations, Karen! > > > --------------------------------------------- > Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG > www.HistoricPathways.com > www.EvidenceExplained.com > & for everyday tips on records and record usage: > https://www.evidenceexplained.com/quicktips/ee > www.Facebook.com/ForgottenPeopleCaneRiverCreoles > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

We also have to keep in mind that "fair use" is not precisely defined. The copyright office has guidelines at http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html. I've just finished my thesis. Getting ready to send it to my committee. Karen Packard Rhodes Middleburg, Clay County, Florida On 12/15/2014 12:36 PM, eshown via wrote: > Lori wrote: >> This is very timely advice as I will soon begin writing my own master's thesis. I certainly knew about citing my sources and giving credit, but I had no idea that if more than a certain amount was quoted, that permission needed to be obtained. I don't think that will happen often, if at all, but now I know. Thanks! > Lori, quoting someone "within reasonable bounds" vs. "too extensively" falls under the Fair Use Principle. It also matters to us, as authors, because too-extensive quoting from others can call into question whether we have developed original concepts of our own or whether we are relying too heavily upon the ideas of others to carry the weight of our arguments. Too much quoting, and we stand accused of "patchworking." > > When we're in doubt as to what we can or cannot do, background reading on both these issues can help to reassure us that we're staying within safe bounds. > > Good luck on that thesis! > > Elizabeth >

Thanks so much, Russ! I will get them over to you ASAP. Just an FYI also that we are doing an MLK Day of Service on January 19 and we are incorporating Find a Grave into it (for anyone who can't physically go out and clean up a cemetery, we're asking them to enter tombstones into the database from home.) We're out taking pictures like crazy right now before we get a snowstorm, hopefully we'll have lots of volunteers. Much appreciated again. Joyce Homan, Executive Director Genealogical Society of Pennsylvania 2207 Chestnut Street Philadelphia PA 19103 215-545-0391 Email: [email protected] Website: www.GenPa.org -------- Original Message -------- > From: [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:46 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 8, Issue 384 > > Today's Topics: > > 1. citing a disertation (J.O.S. N.) > 2. Re: citing a disertation (Harold Henderson) > 3. Re: citing a disertation (Lori Lyn Price) > 4. Re: citing a disertation (eshown) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 09:44:25 -0500 > From: "J.O.S. N." <[email protected]> > Subject: [TGF] citing a disertation > To: transitional-genealogists-forum > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]om> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I would note that in academic circles having your work cited is a definite > plus not a minus. Having a widely cited paper is a source of pride. For > someone starting out having your dissertation cited is very good. > > Judy Newman > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 08:55:09 -0600 > From: Harold Henderson <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [TGF] citing a disertation > To: "J.O.S. N." <[email protected]> > Cc: transitional-genealogists-forum > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]om> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > . . . as it should be in any profession. Thanks for the reminder, Judy! > > Harold > > Harold Henderson, CG midwestroots.net > > *Finding Ancestors in Fort Wayne: The Genealogist's Unofficial One-Stop > Guide to the Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center * > http://www.midwestroots.net/ > <http://www.midwestroots.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/ACPLGC-April-2013.pd f> > > Certified Genealogist (SM) No. 1029 > Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks > of the Board for Certification of Genealogists? used by the > Board to identify its program of genealogical competency evaluation > and used under license by the Board?s associates. > > > > On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 8:44 AM, J.O.S. N. via < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > I would note that in academic circles having your work cited is a definite > > plus not a minus. Having a widely cited paper is a source of pride. For > > someone starting out having your dissertation cited is very good. > > > > Judy Newman > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 10:55:09 -0500 > From: Lori Lyn Price <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [TGF] citing a disertation > To: Harold Henderson <[email protected]> > Cc: transitional-genealogists-forum > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]om> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > This is very timely advice as I will soon begin writing my own master's > thesis. I certainly knew about citing my sources and giving credit, but I > had no idea that if more than a certain amount was quoted, that permission > needed to be obtained. I don't think that will happen often, if at all, but > now I know. Thanks! > > On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 9:55 AM, Harold Henderson via < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > . . . as it should be in any profession. Thanks for the reminder, Judy! > > > > Harold > > > > Harold Henderson, CG midwestroots.net > > > > *Finding Ancestors in Fort Wayne: The Genealogist's Unofficial One-Stop > > Guide to the Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center * > > http://www.midwestroots.net/ > > < > > http://www.midwestroots.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/ACPLGC-April-2013.pdf > > > > > > > Certified Genealogist (SM) No. 1029 > > Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks > > of the Board for Certification of Genealogists? used by the > > Board to identify its program of genealogical competency evaluation > > and used under license by the Board?s associates. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 8:44 AM, J.O.S. N. via < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I would note that in academic circles having your work cited is a > > definite > > > plus not a minus. Having a widely cited paper is a source of pride. For > > > someone starting out having your dissertation cited is very good. > > > > > > Judy Newman > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word > > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > > message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 11:36:46 -0600 > From: "eshown" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [TGF] citing a disertation > To: "TGF" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Lori wrote: > >This is very timely advice as I will soon begin writing my own master's thesis. I certainly knew about citing my sources and giving credit, but I had no idea that if more than a certain amount was quoted, that permission needed to be obtained. I don't think that will happen often, if at all, but now I know. Thanks! > > Lori, quoting someone "within reasonable bounds" vs. "too extensively" falls under the Fair Use Principle. It also matters to us, as authors, because too-extensive quoting from others can call into question whether we have developed original concepts of our own or whether we are relying too heavily upon the ideas of others to carry the weight of our arguments. Too much quoting, and we stand accused of "patchworking." > > When we're in doubt as to what we can or cannot do, background reading on both these issues can help to reassure us that we're staying within safe bounds. > > Good luck on that thesis! > > Elizabeth > > --------------------------------------------- > Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG > www.HistoricPathways.com > www.EvidenceExplained.com > & for everyday tips on records and record usage: > https://www.evidenceexplained.com/quicktips/ee > www.Facebook.com/ForgottenPeopleCaneRiverCreoles > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 8, Issue 384 > ***************************************************************

Lori wrote: >This is very timely advice as I will soon begin writing my own master's thesis. I certainly knew about citing my sources and giving credit, but I had no idea that if more than a certain amount was quoted, that permission needed to be obtained. I don't think that will happen often, if at all, but now I know. Thanks! Lori, quoting someone "within reasonable bounds" vs. "too extensively" falls under the Fair Use Principle. It also matters to us, as authors, because too-extensive quoting from others can call into question whether we have developed original concepts of our own or whether we are relying too heavily upon the ideas of others to carry the weight of our arguments. Too much quoting, and we stand accused of "patchworking." When we're in doubt as to what we can or cannot do, background reading on both these issues can help to reassure us that we're staying within safe bounds. Good luck on that thesis! Elizabeth --------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG www.HistoricPathways.com www.EvidenceExplained.com & for everyday tips on records and record usage: https://www.evidenceexplained.com/quicktips/ee www.Facebook.com/ForgottenPeopleCaneRiverCreoles

This is very timely advice as I will soon begin writing my own master's thesis. I certainly knew about citing my sources and giving credit, but I had no idea that if more than a certain amount was quoted, that permission needed to be obtained. I don't think that will happen often, if at all, but now I know. Thanks! On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 9:55 AM, Harold Henderson via < [email protected]> wrote: > > . . . as it should be in any profession. Thanks for the reminder, Judy! > > Harold > > Harold Henderson, CG midwestroots.net > > *Finding Ancestors in Fort Wayne: The Genealogist's Unofficial One-Stop > Guide to the Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center * > http://www.midwestroots.net/ > < > http://www.midwestroots.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/ACPLGC-April-2013.pdf > > > > Certified Genealogist (SM) No. 1029 > Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks > of the Board for Certification of Genealogists® used by the > Board to identify its program of genealogical competency evaluation > and used under license by the Board’s associates. > > > > On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 8:44 AM, J.O.S. N. via < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > I would note that in academic circles having your work cited is a > definite > > plus not a minus. Having a widely cited paper is a source of pride. For > > someone starting out having your dissertation cited is very good. > > > > Judy Newman > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I would note that in academic circles having your work cited is a definite plus not a minus. Having a widely cited paper is a source of pride. For someone starting out having your dissertation cited is very good. Judy Newman