Jan, Is it possible that he filed his intent someplace other than Summit County? Did he come directly to Summit County or did he stop someplace else on his way? Declarations of Intent were not always filed the same place they were naturalized. Cheryl Cheryl Brown Abernathy, CG(SM) The Past Lane Fredericksburg, OH 330-465-5948 www.thepastlane.com [email protected] CG or Certified Genealogist are service marks of the Board of Certification of Genealogists, used under license by Board-certified genealogists after periodic competency evaluation, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office

I am registered for the workshop, appreciate the additional information, and am very much looking forward to it. I live in Saint Louis, so it's great to have the NGS in my backyard. *Jody Clark Jones​ ​* http://www.clarkandjones.com > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 06:26:44 -0500 > From: Barbara Mathews <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [TGF] FW: NGS Family History Conference > To: "'TGF'" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Elissa and I are the people teaching this workshop. If you've never been > to a BCG Ed Fund working before an NGS conference, it is organized > differently from other workshops or institutes. Here is how it is organized. > > Two instructors are there, each teaching one topic. (Elissa has report > writing and I have document analysis.) The group of 60 students is split > into two groups. For the morning, you listen to one instructor. Then we all > go to lunch. In the afternoon, you listen to the other instructor. > > Each session is three hours long. During that time, you listen, read, and > work. Elissa and I will come up with some practical exercises to do alone > and in groups. > > Lunch is included. We'll take it in another room, where there are circular > tables. (In the lectures, the rooms are set up classroom-style.) > > I'm looking forward to this. We are both putting together completely new > material just for the workshop, so, if you've heard us before, you'll still > be intrigued by our new stuff. > > I've got some nice problems that will take us all over the U.S. and -- if > we are lucky -- back to Europe. We'll go over confusing terminology, > resolve some thorny problems, and have some fun doing it. > > Barbara > >

Hi, Jan, These appear on FamilySearch. You can try the searcher, but you will probably end up browsing. https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearc h.org%2Frecapi%2Fsord%2Fwaypoint%2FMCFK-TTL%3A265566601%3Fcc%3D1987615 The specific record indexed is here. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-28311-19285-24?cc=1987615&w c=MCFG-TM9:265566601,265816901 Genially, Cynthia Turk, CG(SM) Geneal Pursuits http://GenealPursuits.com 440-951-0914 Certified Genealogist and its short form, CG, are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists�, used under license by board certificants who meet competency standards. The Board's name is registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 10:48:01 -0800 Jan Ahrens via <[email protected]> writes: > Hi Everyone, > > I have an 'Ohio, County Naturalization Records, 1800-1977' index > card with the following information: > > James Cleave > Vol 4 Page 115 > File No 2539 > Akron, Summit Co. O Probate Court > England (birth) > Oct 10th, 1881 (Date of naturalization) > J. B. Cross (witness) > > Does anyone know where and how to obtain the documents this refers > to (declaration of intention, oath of allegiance...)? They were not > on Fold3, Ancestry or FamilySearch that I could find. Does the > Summit Co Probate Court still hold them? > > Thanks! > Jan Joyce Ahrens > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > ____________________________________________________________ The #1 Worst Carb Ever? Click to Learn #1 Carb that Kills Your Blood Sugar &#40;Don&#39;t Eat This!&#41; http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/54b56dc8604fa6dc8364ast01vuc

Anyone able to obtain 2 obits quickly from the Durham NC library? I have dates of death. This is for a Navy MIA case. best regards, d -- Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist (sm), Certificate 903 Forensic Genealogy Services LLC and Contract Genealogist, US Navy Casualty, POW/MIA Branch Mail address - PO Box 1085, Manvel TX 77578 Telephone/fax 281-595-3090 www.forensicgenealogyservices.com www.facebook.com/forensicgenealogist Certified Genealogist (CG) is a service mark (sm) of the Board for Certification of Genealogists®, conferred to associates who consistently meet ethical and competency standards in accord with peer-reviewed evaluations every five years, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office.

Cynthia, Thanks - that is a great find. The second link does show the final record of the naturalization. For the first link on the Declaration of Intentions, however, the date ranges are after my 1881 date (they are 1883 +). The title of the record group includes 1800-1977 but then the categories are from 1883 1918 apparently. Other ideas? Anyone? Thanks! Jan On Jan 13, 2015, at 11:09 AM, <[email protected]> <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, Jan, > > These appear on FamilySearch. You can try the searcher, but you will > probably end up browsing. > https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearc > h.org%2Frecapi%2Fsord%2Fwaypoint%2FMCFK-TTL%3A265566601%3Fcc%3D1987615 > > The specific record indexed is here. > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-28311-19285-24?cc=1987615&w > c=MCFG-TM9:265566601,265816901 > > Genially, > > Cynthia Turk, CG(SM) > Geneal Pursuits http://GenealPursuits.com > 440-951-0914 > Certified Genealogist and its short form, CG, are service marks of the > Board for Certification of Genealogists®, used under license by board > certificants who meet competency standards. The Board's name is > registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. > > > > > On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 10:48:01 -0800 Jan Ahrens via > <[email protected]> writes: >> Hi Everyone, >> >> I have an 'Ohio, County Naturalization Records, 1800-1977' index >> card with the following information: >> >> James Cleave >> Vol 4 Page 115 >> File No 2539 >> Akron, Summit Co. O Probate Court >> England (birth) >> Oct 10th, 1881 (Date of naturalization) >> J. B. Cross (witness) >> >> Does anyone know where and how to obtain the documents this refers >> to (declaration of intention, oath of allegiance...)? They were not >> on Fold3, Ancestry or FamilySearch that I could find. Does the >> Summit Co Probate Court still hold them? >> >> Thanks! >> Jan Joyce Ahrens >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message >> > > ____________________________________________________________ > The #1 Worst Carb Ever? > Click to Learn #1 Carb that Kills Your Blood Sugar &#40;Don&#39;t Eat This!&#41; > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/54b56dc85e6d66dc80561st04vuc

Hi Everyone, I have an 'Ohio, County Naturalization Records, 1800-1977' index card with the following information: James Cleave Vol 4 Page 115 File No 2539 Akron, Summit Co. O Probate Court England (birth) Oct 10th, 1881 (Date of naturalization) J. B. Cross (witness) Does anyone know where and how to obtain the documents this refers to (declaration of intention, oath of allegiance...)? They were not on Fold3, Ancestry or FamilySearch that I could find. Does the Summit Co Probate Court still hold them? Thanks! Jan Joyce Ahrens

Elissa and I are the people teaching this workshop. If you've never been to a BCG Ed Fund working before an NGS conference, it is organized differently from other workshops or institutes. Here is how it is organized. Two instructors are there, each teaching one topic. (Elissa has report writing and I have document analysis.) The group of 60 students is split into two groups. For the morning, you listen to one instructor. Then we all go to lunch. In the afternoon, you listen to the other instructor. Each session is three hours long. During that time, you listen, read, and work. Elissa and I will come up with some practical exercises to do alone and in groups. Lunch is included. We'll take it in another room, where there are circular tables. (In the lectures, the rooms are set up classroom-style.) I'm looking forward to this. We are both putting together completely new material just for the workshop, so, if you've heard us before, you'll still be intrigued by our new stuff. I've got some nice problems that will take us all over the U.S. and -- if we are lucky -- back to Europe. We'll go over confusing terminology, resolve some thorny problems, and have some fun doing it. Barbara -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Elissa Scalise Powell via Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 10:42 PM To: 'TGF' Subject: [TGF] FW: NGS Family History Conference In case you have not seen the topics of the BCG Ed Fund workshop to be held Tuesday, May 12 in St. Charles, MO, they are below. You do not have to register for NGS to attend just the workshop. You do get both three-hour workshops in a full day of learning. See you there! -- Elissa Elissa Scalise Powell, CG , CGL www.PowellGenealogy.com <http://www.powellgenealogy.com/> www.GRIPitt.org <http://www.gripitt.org/> 28 June-3 July 2015 and 19-24 July 2015 in Pittsburgh, PA CG, Certified Genealogist, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic evaluations. The board name is a trademark registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. <http://conferenceblog.ngsgenealogy.org/> NGS Family History Conference _____ <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/NgsFamilyHistoryConference/~3/0OT5lrwXnk0/bcg-education-fund-workshop.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email> BCG Education Fund Workshop Posted: 12 Jan 2015 05:00 AM PST Putting Skills to Work Tuesday, 12 May, 9:00 a.m.–5:00 p.m., $110 This intensive day of learning focuses on skills and research standards needed by all genealogists. The BCG Education Fund designed the workshop for intermediate and advanced practitioners and combines class discussion with hands-on exercises. The registration fee of $110 includes two sessions, syllabus, and lunch. Limited to sixty students. NGS conference registration is not required. The workshop usually fills up quickly so register early. Barbara J. Mathews, CG, FASG, will address "Evidence Analysis, Correlation, and Resolution: The Heart of the Genealogical Proof Standard." The session will cover weighing and correlating sources, evidence, and information for successful resolution of investigations. <http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-LoYSdjO9wOU/VKNAjmyt-jI/AAAAAAAAACU/QypdRQfXzLU/s1600/BMathews.jpg> Barbara Mathews is a lineage genealogist specializing in colonial Connecticut and Massachusetts. She represents the Board for Certification of Genealogists on the Records Access and Preservation Committee, and is Civil Records Co-Director for the Massachusetts Genealogical Council (MGC). Her white paper co-written for MGC, “Framing a Discussion on Vital Records Access,” provides an historic look at government policies involving ID theft, financial fraud, and vital records. She is currently working on a book about the descendants of the fourth colonial governor of Connecticut for the Welles Family Association. Barbara mentored ProGen Studies Group 7, GenProof Studies Group 6, and currently mentors ProGen Studies Group 21. She is a substitute instructor for the Boston University genealogical certificate program and a contributor to the BCG blog SpringBoard. Barbara is a former B! CG Board member and former Education Fund Trustee. Elissa Scalise Powell, CG, CGL, will focus on "Tested Strategies for Efficient Research Reports." Committing findings to paper should be part of every research process. This session will demonstrate how to develop a sharable work product. <http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-uvPhJ4vu9rE/VKL143OZumI/AAAAAAAAAB4/06Toq7VVOfA/s1600/2012_May-small-Elissa_Powell.jpg> Elissa Powell, a western Pennsylvania researcher, is immediate past-president of the Board for Certification of Genealogists. She is co-director of the Genealogical Research Institute of Pittsburgh (GRIP), instructs for Boston University’s Genealogical Research Certificate course and at the Salt Like Institute of Genealogy. She is coordinator of the Professional Genealogy course for the Institute of Genealogy and Historical Research at Samford University. Elissa is a frequent lecturer at national conferences as well as at venues across the United States. In 2010, she was the recipient of the National Genealogical Society’s President’s Citation for her broad support of the genealogical community. <https://netforum.avectra.com/eweb/DynamicPage.aspx?Site=NGS&WebCode=EventDetail&evt_key=be14c538-1582-4797-a34a-5585583e78c3> Sponsored by the BCG Education Fund, an independent charitable trust, <http://www.bcgcertification.org/educationfund/> http://www.bcgcertification.org/educationfund/. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In case you have not seen the topics of the BCG Ed Fund workshop to be held Tuesday, May 12 in St. Charles, MO, they are below. You do not have to register for NGS to attend just the workshop. You do get both three-hour workshops in a full day of learning. See you there! -- Elissa Elissa Scalise Powell, CG , CGL www.PowellGenealogy.com <http://www.powellgenealogy.com/> www.GRIPitt.org <http://www.gripitt.org/> 28 June-3 July 2015 and 19-24 July 2015 in Pittsburgh, PA CG, Certified Genealogist, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic evaluations. The board name is a trademark registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. <http://conferenceblog.ngsgenealogy.org/> NGS Family History Conference _____ <http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/NgsFamilyHistoryConference/~3/0OT5lrwXnk0/bcg-education-fund-workshop.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email> BCG Education Fund Workshop Posted: 12 Jan 2015 05:00 AM PST Putting Skills to Work Tuesday, 12 May, 9:00 a.m.–5:00 p.m., $110 This intensive day of learning focuses on skills and research standards needed by all genealogists. The BCG Education Fund designed the workshop for intermediate and advanced practitioners and combines class discussion with hands-on exercises. The registration fee of $110 includes two sessions, syllabus, and lunch. Limited to sixty students. NGS conference registration is not required. The workshop usually fills up quickly so register early. Barbara J. Mathews, CG, FASG, will address "Evidence Analysis, Correlation, and Resolution: The Heart of the Genealogical Proof Standard." The session will cover weighing and correlating sources, evidence, and information for successful resolution of investigations. <http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-LoYSdjO9wOU/VKNAjmyt-jI/AAAAAAAAACU/QypdRQfXzLU/s1600/BMathews.jpg> Barbara Mathews is a lineage genealogist specializing in colonial Connecticut and Massachusetts. She represents the Board for Certification of Genealogists on the Records Access and Preservation Committee, and is Civil Records Co-Director for the Massachusetts Genealogical Council (MGC). Her white paper co-written for MGC, “Framing a Discussion on Vital Records Access,” provides an historic look at government policies involving ID theft, financial fraud, and vital records. She is currently working on a book about the descendants of the fourth colonial governor of Connecticut for the Welles Family Association. Barbara mentored ProGen Studies Group 7, GenProof Studies Group 6, and currently mentors ProGen Studies Group 21. She is a substitute instructor for the Boston University genealogical certificate program and a contributor to the BCG blog SpringBoard. Barbara is a former BCG Board member and former Education Fund Trustee. Elissa Scalise Powell, CG, CGL, will focus on "Tested Strategies for Efficient Research Reports." Committing findings to paper should be part of every research process. This session will demonstrate how to develop a sharable work product. <http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-uvPhJ4vu9rE/VKL143OZumI/AAAAAAAAAB4/06Toq7VVOfA/s1600/2012_May-small-Elissa_Powell.jpg> Elissa Powell, a western Pennsylvania researcher, is immediate past-president of the Board for Certification of Genealogists. She is co-director of the Genealogical Research Institute of Pittsburgh (GRIP), instructs for Boston University’s Genealogical Research Certificate course and at the Salt Like Institute of Genealogy. She is coordinator of the Professional Genealogy course for the Institute of Genealogy and Historical Research at Samford University. Elissa is a frequent lecturer at national conferences as well as at venues across the United States. In 2010, she was the recipient of the National Genealogical Society’s President’s Citation for her broad support of the genealogical community. <https://netforum.avectra.com/eweb/DynamicPage.aspx?Site=NGS&WebCode=EventDetail&evt_key=be14c538-1582-4797-a34a-5585583e78c3> Sponsored by the BCG Education Fund, an independent charitable trust, <http://www.bcgcertification.org/educationfund/> http://www.bcgcertification.org/educationfund/.

Yes, your friend should join this list. It is worth the price of admission! <g> Some people have observed that reading the list archives from the beginning was quite an education in how to transition to being a professional genealogist. Especially early on, people had questions about setting up a business, what to charge, how to find clients, etc. This is what this list was intended for. Best, Elissa Elissa Scalise Powell, CG , CGL www.PowellGenealogy.com www.GRIPitt.org 28 June-3 July 2015 and 19-24 July 2015 in Pittsburgh, PA CG, Certified Genealogist, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic evaluations. The board name is a trademark registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. -----Original Message----- From: On Behalf Of Kizzie Newman via Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 8:57 AM Kind regards and sincere gratitude to all who responded to my plea for help on behalf of my friend. (I have told him he needs the help of the folks on this list). That you all take your time to help another is most gratifying. I thank you. Kizzie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Kind regards and sincere gratitude to all who responded to my plea for help on behalf of my friend. (I have told him he needs the help of the folks on this list). That you all take your time to help another is most gratifying. I thank you. Kizzie

The question regarding tax deductible expenses for paid research reminded me of another tax matter that researchers in NY State should know. According to the NY State Department of Taxation, paid genealogical research is subject to NY State Sales Tax.  This information may be found in Bulletin #TSB-M-10(7)S, Sales Tax, July 19, 2010, on page 3.  This means that the NY researcher must obtain a NY State Sales Tax Certificate of Authority, in order to report the sales tax. I do not know if other states require that sales tax be collected on paid genealogical research, but it might be worth an investigation to make sure. Anne Slatin   I like to pay taxes.  With them I buy civilization. ---Oliver Wendell Holmes   www.tomslatin.com 

Have they refined that law to specify researchers who reside in or physically have presence in NY? (Presence as in a company based in one state but an office in NY. Or an out-of-state genealogist who works a weekend at a NY genealogy fair.) I ask because there was a BIG discussion on the old APG email list about the NY sales tax on genealogy services when the law first passed. The NY tax people were saying then that if the genealogist's client was in NY, but the genealogist resided/worked from another state, that the out-of-state genealogist had to pay sales tax to NY. Dee > On January 6, 2015 at 3:11 PM Anne Pratt Slatin via > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > The question regarding tax deductible expenses for paid research reminded me > of another tax matter that researchers in NY State should know. > According to the NY State Department of Taxation, paid genealogical research > is subject to NY State Sales Tax. This information may be found in Bulletin > #TSB-M-10(7)S, Sales Tax, July 19, 2010, on page 3. This means that the NY > researcher must obtain a NY State Sales Tax Certificate of Authority, in order > to report the sales tax. > I do not know if other states require that sales tax be collected on paid > genealogical research, but it might be worth an investigation to make sure. > Anne Slatin > > I like to pay taxes. With them I buy civilization. ---Oliver Wendell Holmes > www.tomslatin.com

Kizzie, If your friend is doing this research as a legitimate business, not as a hobby, then he should be using Schedule C on the tax return to declare the business income. He can use the same schedule to deduct expenses associated with the business. At first glance -- and this is ONLY at first glance -- it looks like this is, indeed a business. In that case expenses that exceed income create a net operating loss that can be carried forward to later years. If the IRS determines this is a hobby, however, then expenses beyond income are not deductible. Feel free to contact me off-list with more questions. My full-time job is tax accountant, so I'm more than willing and able to help (to a degree -- I do have to earn my living, too!). Dave Liesse, EA Skingco Services, LLC On 1/6/2015 07:51, Kizzie Newman via wrote: > A friend is in transition from one career to genealogical/historical > research. This is the first year his business has shown a profit, a > considerable profit. One of his colleagues informed him that his work for > clients at the North Carolina State Archives and Library is not income tax > deductible. > > Once again, I turn to the folks on this list to answer a question for a > friend. Is client-based Archival research income tax deductible? > > Thank you for your time and help. > > Kizzie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

A friend is in transition from one career to genealogical/historical research. This is the first year his business has shown a profit, a considerable profit. One of his colleagues informed him that his work for clients at the North Carolina State Archives and Library is not income tax deductible. Once again, I turn to the folks on this list to answer a question for a friend. Is client-based Archival research income tax deductible? Thank you for your time and help. Kizzie

Patti, I would assume that you are looking at the clerk's copy of the list sent to the state, especially if the handwriting is consistent. Please remember that the original militia men tended to continue to meet together, even if they moved to a different "neighborhood." If someone moved two or three creeks away, they may continue to travel to their old meeting place because that is where their friends or family lived. However, this was not *always* the case. I did not find any law preventing this. The information I provided is based on study of the statutes and post-statehood experience with the records. Barbara's comment about meeting at local taverns echoed what a Kentucky archivist told me (without source). The meetings were a good reason to have a good time. : ) Rondina _______________________ Rondina P. Muncy Ancestral Analysis 4008 Linden Avenue Fort Worth, Texas 76107 682.224.6584 [email protected] www.ancestralanalysis.com On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Patricia Hobbs via < [email protected]> wrote: > Thank you, Rondina, and Barbara. Rondina, what you say makes sense and is > consistent with I am seeing on this list. Yesterday I started to compile > the names of people who were listed on the same date as the person of > interest. Barbara, very interesting about the names on a string! I think in > this case, there are entries that say "no date," so it appears--based on > the laws, what you say here, and what I'm seeing on the lists--that this > was a final compilation that was recorded from dated lists submitted, not > placed in chronological order, but recorded as they were submitted or > stacked in preparation for recording. > > Debbie Wayne sent me a link to this summary of state tax laws which was > helpful: TAX LISTS (1792-1840) > AN OVERLOOKED RESOURCE FOR KENTUCKY HISTORY & LAND TITLE > > http://www.sos.ky.gov/admin/land/resources/articles/Documents/Tax%20Lists%201792-1840%20(rev).pdf > > Patti > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 8:32 PM, Barbara Vines Little via < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > It is best to read the law. While I can speak for Kentucky only until > > statehood, rules changed. At some points in Virginia the tax > > commissioner made the rounds and created his list; during other times he > > would attend a muster or camp out at a local tavern to collect the > > lists. I have actually found among the tax records the individual slips > > of paper strung on string---one string for each letter of the alphabet; > > the commissioner then used these to create his list. I've seen the > > original commissioner's books with the signatures of the individuals > > attesting to the accuracy of the amounts. I've seen the sheriff's books > > which include other fees that he was also supposed to collect. I've even > > seen one commissioner's book that noted the number of the militia > > district of each individual in one of the columns. To make a long story > > short-there was more than one copy and what you are looking at is > > probably the list compiled by the commissioner with the date he received > > the list from the individual. However, without reading the law for the > > period to determine what the process was at the given time you cannot be > > sure. Typically lists were compiled in the spring and collection was > > made in the fall after the crops were in. However, bad weather, > > epidemics, and Indian incursions among other events sometimes delayed > > the compiling of the lists and/or the payment. It is also wise to follow > > the lists to see if patterns appear and how things change when there is > > a new commissioner. > > > > Barbara Vines Little, CG, FNGS, FVGS > > PO Box 1273 > > Orange, VA 22960 > > > > 540-832-3473 > > [email protected] > > > > CG, Certified Genealogist, is a service mark of the Board for > > Certification of Genealogists, used > > under license by board-certified genealogists after periodic evaluation; > > the board name is > > registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office. > > > > On 1/5/2015 7:58 PM, Patricia Hobbs via wrote: > > > Granted I have not looked at that many Kentucky tax lists, but those > I'm > > > viewing for Washington County, Kentucky, have something I've not seen > in > > > other tax lists. > > > > > > Each list is arranged in the usual way by first letter of last name. > > There > > > is one list for the year for the entire county-- not divided by > > "captains" > > > as I've seen in some. Along the left margins are dates ranging from May > > > through September-- most being in May through July. There are not very > > many > > > days represented in each month -- perhaps two or three, but sometimes > > only > > > one. There are many names listed under each date, so each person is not > > > individually dated. AND the dates are not in order. So you might have > May > > > 27 with a few names, and then June 10 with a few names. Then back to > > April > > > 12 with a few names. Sometimes there is only one name associated with a > > > date. > > > > > > I'm wondering how this might have been created, and wondered if anyone > > > would know. I at first thought that entries were made spread out in > order > > > to allow additional entries. Then the scribe returned and filled in the > > > gaps when he ran out of space. Would the groups of people on a > particular > > > date represent those who happened to come into a town on a particular > > date, > > > or might he have been traveling about the countryside rating the land? > If > > > he was traveling perhaps those listed on the same dates in the various > > > letters of surnames were living in the same general area. > > > > > > I have thought that a useful exercise might be to try to reconstruct > the > > > list as the assessor did to see if some logical reason springs to mind, > > but > > > I thought I'd ask first if anyone already knows. ;-) > > > > > > Patti > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, The income is reportable and so are the unreimbursed expenses. Your friend was mistaken. Lynn Parent Enrolled Agent Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 6, 2015, at 9:10 AM, pgarratt via <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Kizzie, if it is client work for profit then it is generally tax deductible. Out of pocket costs such as document fees, copy fees, entrance fees, etc), labor, and associated costs such as travel (there are some limitations here) are all tax deductible expenses. I can't imagine why your friend was told that. Perhaps the person misunderstood? > Phyllis > Certified Financial Planner and previous IRS registered tax preparer > -----Original Message----- > From: "Kizzie Newman via" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 7:51am > To: [email protected] > Subject: [TGF] Is genealogical research tax deductible > > > > A friend is in transition from one career to genealogical/historical > research. This is the first year his business has shown a profit, a > considerable profit. One of his colleagues informed him that his work for > clients at the North Carolina State Archives and Library is not income tax > deductible. > > Once again, I turn to the folks on this list to answer a question for a > friend. Is client-based Archival research income tax deductible? > > Thank you for your time and help. > > Kizzie > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you, Rondina, and Barbara. Rondina, what you say makes sense and is consistent with I am seeing on this list. Yesterday I started to compile the names of people who were listed on the same date as the person of interest. Barbara, very interesting about the names on a string! I think in this case, there are entries that say "no date," so it appears--based on the laws, what you say here, and what I'm seeing on the lists--that this was a final compilation that was recorded from dated lists submitted, not placed in chronological order, but recorded as they were submitted or stacked in preparation for recording. Debbie Wayne sent me a link to this summary of state tax laws which was helpful: TAX LISTS (1792-1840) AN OVERLOOKED RESOURCE FOR KENTUCKY HISTORY & LAND TITLE http://www.sos.ky.gov/admin/land/resources/articles/Documents/Tax%20Lists%201792-1840%20(rev).pdf Patti On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 8:32 PM, Barbara Vines Little via < [email protected]> wrote: > It is best to read the law. While I can speak for Kentucky only until > statehood, rules changed. At some points in Virginia the tax > commissioner made the rounds and created his list; during other times he > would attend a muster or camp out at a local tavern to collect the > lists. I have actually found among the tax records the individual slips > of paper strung on string---one string for each letter of the alphabet; > the commissioner then used these to create his list. I've seen the > original commissioner's books with the signatures of the individuals > attesting to the accuracy of the amounts. I've seen the sheriff's books > which include other fees that he was also supposed to collect. I've even > seen one commissioner's book that noted the number of the militia > district of each individual in one of the columns. To make a long story > short-there was more than one copy and what you are looking at is > probably the list compiled by the commissioner with the date he received > the list from the individual. However, without reading the law for the > period to determine what the process was at the given time you cannot be > sure. Typically lists were compiled in the spring and collection was > made in the fall after the crops were in. However, bad weather, > epidemics, and Indian incursions among other events sometimes delayed > the compiling of the lists and/or the payment. It is also wise to follow > the lists to see if patterns appear and how things change when there is > a new commissioner. > > Barbara Vines Little, CG, FNGS, FVGS > PO Box 1273 > Orange, VA 22960 > > 540-832-3473 > [email protected] > > CG, Certified Genealogist, is a service mark of the Board for > Certification of Genealogists, used > under license by board-certified genealogists after periodic evaluation; > the board name is > registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office. > > On 1/5/2015 7:58 PM, Patricia Hobbs via wrote: > > Granted I have not looked at that many Kentucky tax lists, but those I'm > > viewing for Washington County, Kentucky, have something I've not seen in > > other tax lists. > > > > Each list is arranged in the usual way by first letter of last name. > There > > is one list for the year for the entire county-- not divided by > "captains" > > as I've seen in some. Along the left margins are dates ranging from May > > through September-- most being in May through July. There are not very > many > > days represented in each month -- perhaps two or three, but sometimes > only > > one. There are many names listed under each date, so each person is not > > individually dated. AND the dates are not in order. So you might have May > > 27 with a few names, and then June 10 with a few names. Then back to > April > > 12 with a few names. Sometimes there is only one name associated with a > > date. > > > > I'm wondering how this might have been created, and wondered if anyone > > would know. I at first thought that entries were made spread out in order > > to allow additional entries. Then the scribe returned and filled in the > > gaps when he ran out of space. Would the groups of people on a particular > > date represent those who happened to come into a town on a particular > date, > > or might he have been traveling about the countryside rating the land? If > > he was traveling perhaps those listed on the same dates in the various > > letters of surnames were living in the same general area. > > > > I have thought that a useful exercise might be to try to reconstruct the > > list as the assessor did to see if some logical reason springs to mind, > but > > I thought I'd ask first if anyone already knows. ;-) > > > > Patti > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Kizzie, if it is client work for profit then it is generally tax deductible. Out of pocket costs such as document fees, copy fees, entrance fees, etc), labor, and associated costs such as travel (there are some limitations here) are all tax deductible expenses. I can't imagine why your friend was told that. Perhaps the person misunderstood? Phyllis Certified Financial Planner and previous IRS registered tax preparer -----Original Message----- From: "Kizzie Newman via" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 7:51am To: [email protected] Subject: [TGF] Is genealogical research tax deductible A friend is in transition from one career to genealogical/historical research. This is the first year his business has shown a profit, a considerable profit. One of his colleagues informed him that his work for clients at the North Carolina State Archives and Library is not income tax deductible. Once again, I turn to the folks on this list to answer a question for a friend. Is client-based Archival research income tax deductible? Thank you for your time and help. Kizzie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It is best to read the law. While I can speak for Kentucky only until statehood, rules changed. At some points in Virginia the tax commissioner made the rounds and created his list; during other times he would attend a muster or camp out at a local tavern to collect the lists. I have actually found among the tax records the individual slips of paper strung on string---one string for each letter of the alphabet; the commissioner then used these to create his list. I've seen the original commissioner's books with the signatures of the individuals attesting to the accuracy of the amounts. I've seen the sheriff's books which include other fees that he was also supposed to collect. I've even seen one commissioner's book that noted the number of the militia district of each individual in one of the columns. To make a long story short-there was more than one copy and what you are looking at is probably the list compiled by the commissioner with the date he received the list from the individual. However, without reading the law for the period to determine what the process was at the given time you cannot be sure. Typically lists were compiled in the spring and collection was made in the fall after the crops were in. However, bad weather, epidemics, and Indian incursions among other events sometimes delayed the compiling of the lists and/or the payment. It is also wise to follow the lists to see if patterns appear and how things change when there is a new commissioner. Barbara Vines Little, CG, FNGS, FVGS PO Box 1273 Orange, VA 22960 540-832-3473 [email protected] CG, Certified Genealogist, is a service mark of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board-certified genealogists after periodic evaluation; the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office. On 1/5/2015 7:58 PM, Patricia Hobbs via wrote: > Granted I have not looked at that many Kentucky tax lists, but those I'm > viewing for Washington County, Kentucky, have something I've not seen in > other tax lists. > > Each list is arranged in the usual way by first letter of last name. There > is one list for the year for the entire county-- not divided by "captains" > as I've seen in some. Along the left margins are dates ranging from May > through September-- most being in May through July. There are not very many > days represented in each month -- perhaps two or three, but sometimes only > one. There are many names listed under each date, so each person is not > individually dated. AND the dates are not in order. So you might have May > 27 with a few names, and then June 10 with a few names. Then back to April > 12 with a few names. Sometimes there is only one name associated with a > date. > > I'm wondering how this might have been created, and wondered if anyone > would know. I at first thought that entries were made spread out in order > to allow additional entries. Then the scribe returned and filled in the > gaps when he ran out of space. Would the groups of people on a particular > date represent those who happened to come into a town on a particular date, > or might he have been traveling about the countryside rating the land? If > he was traveling perhaps those listed on the same dates in the various > letters of surnames were living in the same general area. > > I have thought that a useful exercise might be to try to reconstruct the > list as the assessor did to see if some logical reason springs to mind, but > I thought I'd ask first if anyone already knows. ;-) > > Patti > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Patti, Even though they are not arranged by militia captain, it sounds like you are within the time frame where the militia captain still collected the taxes. The list is arranged by first letter of surname, as you stated. Then by date collected. So one militia may have met on May 30. Under that date all the men that paid tax, but they are spread throughout the list under the first letter of the surname. Example: A captain collected tax from six people on May 30 Alex Bailey Zach Waller Timothy Higgins Sam McCann Sam'l Herron Alex Bailey will be found under May 30 (the date he paid tax) under the "B's." Zach Waller will be found under May 30 (the date he paid tax) under the "W's." Timothy Higgins and Sam'l Herron will be found under May 30 (the date they paid tax) under the "H's." Sam McCann will be found under May 30 (the date he paid tax) under the "M's." The same captain collected tax for four more people on June 20. Sarah Collins Thomas McCann Joseph Smiley Grant Whalen Sarah Collins will be found under June 20 (the date she paid tax) under the "C's." Thomas McCann will be found under June 20 (the date he paid tax) under the "M's" where his brother Sam is from May 30. Joseph Smiley will be found under June 20 (the date he paid tax) under the "S's." Grant Whalen will be found under June 20 (the date he paid tax) under the "W's," joining Zach Waller. The dates on the lists I have worked with have always been arranged under each letter in chronological order. You need to be aware that there were no exceptions to taxes. Anyone with property or poll would be on the list, including women and minors. Items taxed changed almost yearly, so you cannot assume that the list headers are the same year after year. A good collector in early Kentucky is worth his weight in gold. Rondina _______________________ Rondina P. Muncy Ancestral Analysis 4008 Linden Avenue Fort Worth, Texas 76107 682.224.6584 [email protected] www.ancestralanalysis.com On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Patricia Hobbs via < [email protected]> wrote: > Granted I have not looked at that many Kentucky tax lists, but those I'm > viewing for Washington County, Kentucky, have something I've not seen in > other tax lists. > > Each list is arranged in the usual way by first letter of last name. There > is one list for the year for the entire county-- not divided by "captains" > as I've seen in some. Along the left margins are dates ranging from May > through September-- most being in May through July. There are not very many > days represented in each month -- perhaps two or three, but sometimes only > one. There are many names listed under each date, so each person is not > individually dated. AND the dates are not in order. So you might have May > 27 with a few names, and then June 10 with a few names. Then back to April > 12 with a few names. Sometimes there is only one name associated with a > date. > > I'm wondering how this might have been created, and wondered if anyone > would know. I at first thought that entries were made spread out in order > to allow additional entries. Then the scribe returned and filled in the > gaps when he ran out of space. Would the groups of people on a particular > date represent those who happened to come into a town on a particular date, > or might he have been traveling about the countryside rating the land? If > he was traveling perhaps those listed on the same dates in the various > letters of surnames were living in the same general area. > > I have thought that a useful exercise might be to try to reconstruct the > list as the assessor did to see if some logical reason springs to mind, but > I thought I'd ask first if anyone already knows. ;-) > > Patti > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >