Lois, Thanks for the shout-out. Registration for the Problem Solving with Church Records with Rev. Dr. David McDonald promises to be popular. Registration begins on Wednesday, Feb. 4, at noon eastern time. Nothing like learning from someone who has experience in the subject! Best wishes, Elissa Elissa Scalise Powell, CG , CGL www.PowellGenealogy.com www.GRIPitt.org 28 June-3 July 2015 and 19-24 July 2015 in Pittsburgh, PA CG, Certified Genealogist, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic evaluations. The board name is a trademark registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lois Mackin via Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 10:23 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TGF] Baptism Hi Kathie, This may be overkill for what you need, but I thought I’d mention it--Dave McDonald is offering a course called Problem Solving with Church Records at GRIP during the first week of classes (June 28 to July 3). Should be an excellent overview, with lots of resources! Best regards, Lois Lois Abromitis Mackin, Ph.D. Plymouth, Minnesota www.LoisMackin.com > On Jan 19, 2015, at 3:16 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > From: Kathie Fortner <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> > Subject: [TGF] Baptism > > Does anyone know of a source that lists all churches that practice > adult baptism? > > Kathie Fortner* > * <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>* > *www.fortner.50megs.com <http://www.fortner.50megs.com/> > <http://www.fortner.50megs.com <http://www.fortner.50megs.com/>>* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi Kathie, This may be overkill for what you need, but I thought I’d mention it--Dave McDonald is offering a course called Problem Solving with Church Records at GRIP during the first week of classes (June 28 to July 3). Should be an excellent overview, with lots of resources! Best regards, Lois Lois Abromitis Mackin, Ph.D. Plymouth, Minnesota www.LoisMackin.com > On Jan 19, 2015, at 3:16 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > From: Kathie Fortner <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > Subject: [TGF] Baptism > > Does anyone know of a source that lists all churches that practice adult > baptism? > > Kathie Fortner* > * <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>* > *www.fortner.50megs.com <http://www.fortner.50megs.com/> <http://www.fortner.50megs.com <http://www.fortner.50megs.com/>>*
While compiling and writing a biography, I wanted to know about the United Brethren church. I googled it and learned so much, including the adult baptisms only. They separated in about 1889 into two groups, the first is known as the Old Constitution, which held to the original beliefs; the second was the New Constitution which that group changed some things. You can learn so much on the various religions, including non-Christian. As far as a list, I know of no such thing. And yes, the LDS (Mormons) do Baptisms for their kindred dead and seal their families together so they can be a forever family in the eternity. How do I know? I'm a Mormon. Cheryl ProctorSouthern Indiana On Monday, January 19, 2015 2:26 PM, Trevia W Beverly via <[email protected]> wrote: I've never seen such a list and doubt that one exists. Not knowing what your project or reason for asking is, you might do well to study the practices of the various religions and their churches. Researching the topic yourself, it would be much easier to find churches that practiced infant baptism, such as Catholic. Most churches practice baptism from the time one professes faith in Christ through to death. Mormons (LDS), I believe practice baptism after death. ~ Trevia Trevia Wooster Beverly Houston, Texas 713-864-6862 Corresponding Secretary, Harris County Historical Commission (1995-) - http://www.historicalcommission.hctx.net/ Chairman, Advisory Council, Baytown Historical Preservation Assoc. (2006 -) http://www.baytownhistory.org/ Genealogical & Historical Research; lectures/workshops. Texas Association of Museums - http://www.prismnet.com/~tam/ American Association of State and Local History (AASLH) - http://about.aaslh.org/home/ Texas State Historical Association (TSHA) - https://www.tsl.state.tx.us/ Clayton Library Friends (Charter, 1987-) - http://www.claytonlibraryfriends.org/ Baytown Genealogy Society (Charter/Life Member,1965-) The Bay Area Heritage Society of Baytown (1985- ) -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kathie Fortner via Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 12:47 PM To: TGF List Subject: [TGF] Baptism Does anyone know of a source that lists all churches that practice adult baptism? -- * Kathie Fortner* * <[email protected]>* *www.fortner.50megs.com <http://www.fortner.50megs.com>* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Kathie: Probably your question is answered in the lengthy Wikipedia article "Baptism" which has 246 footnotes. If your question is primarily about the mode of baptism employed and at what ages, that is also probably answered. Some employ more than one mode. The article explains, when an adult converts to another group, the likelihood they will be baptized in the new group. There is a separate article on "Mikveh," the Jewish ritual immersion which predates Christianity. That and other related articles are linked from the "Baptism" article. --Ida Skarson McCormick, [email protected], Seattle -------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [TGF] Baptism From: "Kathie Fortner via" <[email protected]> Date: Mon, January 19, 2015 10:46 am To: "TGF List" <[email protected]> Does anyone know of a source that lists all churches that practice adult baptism? -- * Kathie Fortner* * <[email protected]>* *www.fortner.50megs.com <http://www.fortner.50megs.com>*
Most denominations that I am aware of practice baptism of converts not previously baptized. This includes those denominations that generally practice infant baptism. The only denomination that I know practices adult baptism exclusively is Primitive Baptist. You may find more information in Understanding and Using Baptismal Records by John T. Humphrey (see http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Using-Baptismal-Records-Humphrey/dp/1887609105/ ). The author discusses the baptismal practices of a number of denominations. Michael Hait, CG(sm) [email protected] http://www.haitfamilyresearch.com Author of *Online State Resources for Genealogy* ebook More information at http://haitfamilyresearch.com/onlineStates.htm CG and Certified Genealogist are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic competency evaluation, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office. -----Original Message----- From: Trevia W Beverly via Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 2:17 PM To: 'Kathie Fortner' ; 'TGF List' Subject: Re: [TGF] Baptism I've never seen such a list and doubt that one exists. Not knowing what your project or reason for asking is, you might do well to study the practices of the various religions and their churches. Researching the topic yourself, it would be much easier to find churches that practiced infant baptism, such as Catholic. Most churches practice baptism from the time one professes faith in Christ through to death. Mormons (LDS), I believe practice baptism after death. ~ Trevia Trevia Wooster Beverly Houston, Texas 713-864-6862 Corresponding Secretary, Harris County Historical Commission (1995-) - http://www.historicalcommission.hctx.net/ Chairman, Advisory Council, Baytown Historical Preservation Assoc. (2006 -) http://www.baytownhistory.org/ Genealogical & Historical Research; lectures/workshops. Texas Association of Museums - http://www.prismnet.com/~tam/ American Association of State and Local History (AASLH) - http://about.aaslh.org/home/ Texas State Historical Association (TSHA) - https://www.tsl.state.tx.us/ Clayton Library Friends (Charter, 1987-) - http://www.claytonlibraryfriends.org/ Baytown Genealogy Society (Charter/Life Member,1965-) The Bay Area Heritage Society of Baytown (1985- ) -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kathie Fortner via Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 12:47 PM To: TGF List Subject: [TGF] Baptism Does anyone know of a source that lists all churches that practice adult baptism? -- * Kathie Fortner* * <[email protected]>* *www.fortner.50megs.com <http://www.fortner.50megs.com>* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
To clarify: Mormons (LDS) baptize at 1. 8 years old in families who are already members, 2. any one 8 or older who is converting, 3. and we do Baptisms for the dead in the Temple for folks who were 8 or older when they died. Michele Doyle www.preservingyourheritage.com www.aquiltworkoflives.com Save, Organize, Share your family photos Helping you find your family > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 13:17:58 -0600 > Subject: Re: [TGF] Baptism > From: [email protected] > > I've never seen such a list and doubt that one exists. > Not knowing what your project or reason for asking is, you might do well to > study the practices of the various religions and their churches. > Researching the topic yourself, it would be much easier to find churches > that practiced infant baptism, such as Catholic. > Most churches practice baptism from the time one professes faith in Christ > through to death. > Mormons (LDS), I believe practice baptism after death. > > ~ Trevia > Trevia Wooster Beverly > Houston, Texas > 713-864-6862 > Corresponding Secretary, Harris County Historical Commission (1995-) - > http://www.historicalcommission.hctx.net/ > Chairman, Advisory Council, Baytown Historical Preservation Assoc. (2006 -) > http://www.baytownhistory.org/ > > Genealogical & Historical Research; lectures/workshops. > Texas Association of Museums - http://www.prismnet.com/~tam/ > American Association of State and Local History (AASLH) - > http://about.aaslh.org/home/ > Texas State Historical Association (TSHA) - https://www.tsl.state.tx.us/ > Clayton Library Friends (Charter, 1987-) - > http://www.claytonlibraryfriends.org/ > Baytown Genealogy Society (Charter/Life Member,1965-) > The Bay Area Heritage Society of Baytown (1985- ) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Kathie Fortner via > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 12:47 PM > To: TGF List > Subject: [TGF] Baptism > > Does anyone know of a source that lists all churches that practice adult > baptism? > > -- > > * > Kathie Fortner* > * <[email protected]>* > > *www.fortner.50megs.com <http://www.fortner.50megs.com>* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Many Protestant denominations have infant dedication which is when the parents dedicate themselves to raising the child in the faith. Later the child makes their own commitment and gets baptized at that time. Helen Haldeman Daglas Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 19, 2015, at 3:16 PM, Michael Hait via <[email protected]> wrote: > > Most denominations that I am aware of practice baptism of converts not > previously baptized. This includes those denominations that generally > practice infant baptism. > > The only denomination that I know practices adult baptism exclusively is > Primitive Baptist. > > You may find more information in Understanding and Using Baptismal Records > by John T. Humphrey (see > http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Using-Baptismal-Records-Humphrey/dp/1887609105/ > ). The author discusses the baptismal practices of a number of > denominations. > > > Michael Hait, CG(sm) > [email protected] > http://www.haitfamilyresearch.com > Author of *Online State Resources for Genealogy* ebook > More information at http://haitfamilyresearch.com/onlineStates.htm > > CG and Certified Genealogist are service marks of the Board for > Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants > after periodic competency evaluation, and the board name is registered in > the US Patent & Trademark Office. > -----Original Message----- > From: Trevia W Beverly via > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 2:17 PM > To: 'Kathie Fortner' ; 'TGF List' > Subject: Re: [TGF] Baptism > > I've never seen such a list and doubt that one exists. > Not knowing what your project or reason for asking is, you might do well to > study the practices of the various religions and their churches. > Researching the topic yourself, it would be much easier to find churches > that practiced infant baptism, such as Catholic. > Most churches practice baptism from the time one professes faith in Christ > through to death. > Mormons (LDS), I believe practice baptism after death. > > ~ Trevia > Trevia Wooster Beverly > Houston, Texas > 713-864-6862 > Corresponding Secretary, Harris County Historical Commission (1995-) - > http://www.historicalcommission.hctx.net/ > Chairman, Advisory Council, Baytown Historical Preservation Assoc. (2006 -) > http://www.baytownhistory.org/ > > Genealogical & Historical Research; lectures/workshops. > Texas Association of Museums - http://www.prismnet.com/~tam/ > American Association of State and Local History (AASLH) - > http://about.aaslh.org/home/ > Texas State Historical Association (TSHA) - https://www.tsl.state.tx.us/ > Clayton Library Friends (Charter, 1987-) - > http://www.claytonlibraryfriends.org/ > Baytown Genealogy Society (Charter/Life Member,1965-) > The Bay Area Heritage Society of Baytown (1985- ) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Kathie Fortner via > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 12:47 PM > To: TGF List > Subject: [TGF] Baptism > > Does anyone know of a source that lists all churches that practice adult > baptism? > > -- > > * > Kathie Fortner* > * <[email protected]>* > > *www.fortner.50megs.com <http://www.fortner.50megs.com>* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Does anyone know of a source that lists all churches that practice adult baptism? -- * Kathie Fortner* * <[email protected]>* *www.fortner.50megs.com <http://www.fortner.50megs.com>*
I've never seen such a list and doubt that one exists. Not knowing what your project or reason for asking is, you might do well to study the practices of the various religions and their churches. Researching the topic yourself, it would be much easier to find churches that practiced infant baptism, such as Catholic. Most churches practice baptism from the time one professes faith in Christ through to death. Mormons (LDS), I believe practice baptism after death. ~ Trevia Trevia Wooster Beverly Houston, Texas 713-864-6862 Corresponding Secretary, Harris County Historical Commission (1995-) - http://www.historicalcommission.hctx.net/ Chairman, Advisory Council, Baytown Historical Preservation Assoc. (2006 -) http://www.baytownhistory.org/ Genealogical & Historical Research; lectures/workshops. Texas Association of Museums - http://www.prismnet.com/~tam/ American Association of State and Local History (AASLH) - http://about.aaslh.org/home/ Texas State Historical Association (TSHA) - https://www.tsl.state.tx.us/ Clayton Library Friends (Charter, 1987-) - http://www.claytonlibraryfriends.org/ Baytown Genealogy Society (Charter/Life Member,1965-) The Bay Area Heritage Society of Baytown (1985- ) -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kathie Fortner via Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 12:47 PM To: TGF List Subject: [TGF] Baptism Does anyone know of a source that lists all churches that practice adult baptism? -- * Kathie Fortner* * <[email protected]>* *www.fortner.50megs.com <http://www.fortner.50megs.com>* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I am looking for the Declaration of Intent for a Julius Carpilow. According to Ancestry.com, his declaration is in Declaration Volume 132, page 110. The source for this index-only database is: Ancestry.com. Index to Declaration of Intent for Naturalization: New York County, 1907-1924 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2003. Original data: New York State Supreme Court. Declarations of Intention filed in New York County, 1907-1924. County Clerk's Office, New York County, New York. My next step was to go to FamilySearch.org where the NY Naturalization are online. I found Supreme Court, New York County, vol. 132, pg. 110 but it was not the person I am looking for: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-27354-15471-55?cc=1999177 <https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-27354-15471-55?cc=1999177&wc= MDSG-5NG:326209701,327650601> &wc=MDSG-5NG:326209701,327650601 Based on the first image of this film it looks to me that it should be the right volume and the right court: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-27354-17887-46?cc=1999177 <https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-27354-17887-46?cc=1999177&wc= MDSG-5NG:326209701,327650601> &wc=MDSG-5NG:326209701,327650601 Can anyone help me figure out where I went wrong? I apparently have a mental block understanding the court jurisdictions, etc. for Naturalizations but I thought this was the right court. Thank you so much for your help! Shannon Green (203) 502-9584 www.greenwichgenealogy.com
Way to go, Patti! You're an inspiration. Honey Ryan Savannah, GA -----Original Message----- From: Harold Henderson via <[email protected]> To: Transitional Genealogists <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, Jan 18, 2015 11:21 am Subject: [TGF] Congratulations, Patricia Lee Hobbs, CG! Patti Hobbs is no stranger to this list and now she has added board certification to her accomplishments. Over on BCG's Springboard blog, she talks with Judy Kellar Fox, and puts into words what many of us feel: “It has been thrilling to me to see how the everyday people fit into the grand historical themes." More at: http://bcgcertification.org/blog/2015/01/welcome-patricia-lee-hobbs-cg/ Harold Henderson, CG midwestroots.net *Finding Ancestors in Fort Wayne: The Genealogist's Unofficial One-Stop Guide to the Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center * http://www.midwestroots.net/ <http://www.midwestroots.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/ACPLGC-April-2013.pdf> Certified Genealogist (SM) No. 1029 Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists® used by the Board to identify its program of genealogical competency evaluation and used under license by the Board’s associates. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
If there is anyone on this list who speaks German, I would be greatly indebted for the translation. It's found at http://www.newspapers.com/clip/1592996/gettysburg_27_august_a_ghost_a/ I can send it's scan to anyone who might be able to help unable to access the scan in the link above. This is clearly talking about my gg grandfather, as his name is evident and words ' apprenticeship ' 'saddletree maker' came out in English when i treied to enter the entire thing into Google Translate (as I read the letters-and clearly I'm not doing that right). I got some of it to translate but I can't make out all the script and there is no real understanding I gained from that exercies of what exactly it's saying! The place, Gettysburg, the date are clear on their on and from Google Translate I understand the article's title as "Gettysburg, 27 August. A Ghost! A Ghost!' You can understand how tantalized I am. Can some kind spirit (pun intended) help? Cynthia
If no one comes forward on the list, I'd suggest calling the language department at your local college. Students in the advanced courses are often happy to do these types of translations. Nancy At 02:44 PM 1/18/2015, Cynthia Swope via wrote: >If there is anyone on this list who speaks German, I would be greatly >indebted for the translation. > >It's found at >http://www.newspapers.com/clip/1592996/gettysburg_27_august_a_ghost_a/ >I can send it's scan to anyone who might be able to help unable to >access the scan in the link above.
Congratulations Patti! Erica Erica Dakin Voolich •Genealogist, check out my genealogy blogs http://genea-adventures.blogspot.com http://ursulawright.blogspot.com http://geneabloggers.com/introduce-erica-dakin-voolich/ •Secretary, Middlesex Chapter, Massachusetts Society of Genealogists •Mathematics Tutor (grades 4 - algebra2, geometry) •President Somerville Mathematics Fund Dollars for Scholars Chapter, Winner of the 2011, New England Chapter of the Year Award Chapter, Winner of the 2003-2004 *Golden Tassel* Service Award We celebrate and encourage mathematics achievement in Somerville MA! http://www.somervillemathematicsfund.org Become a fan on our Facebook page: Facebook | Somerville Mathematics Fund Check out my blog: http://somervillemathematics.blogspot.com/ On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 11:13 AM, Harold Henderson via < [email protected]> wrote: > Patti Hobbs is no stranger to this list and now she has added board > certification to her accomplishments. Over on BCG's Springboard blog, she > talks with Judy Kellar Fox, and puts into words what many of us feel: “It > has been thrilling to me to see how the everyday people fit into the grand > historical themes." More at: > > http://bcgcertification.org/blog/2015/01/welcome-patricia-lee-hobbs-cg/ > > > > > Harold Henderson, CG midwestroots.net > > *Finding Ancestors in Fort Wayne: The Genealogist's Unofficial One-Stop > Guide to the Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center * > http://www.midwestroots.net/ > < > http://www.midwestroots.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/ACPLGC-April-2013.pdf > > > > Certified Genealogist (SM) No. 1029 > Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks > of the Board for Certification of Genealogists® used by the > Board to identify its program of genealogical competency evaluation > and used under license by the Board’s associates. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
To Harold and Melanie's advice I would add a reminder that whenever we ask ourselves "what do others do" we can look to the standards to see what it is standard to do. Just as when we are driving and wonder "how far should I park from a fire hydrant" we will find the answer in the driver's education standards, we can find many answers in _Genealogy Standards_. To this case's point is genealogy standard 2, Specificity. "Genealogists' citations connect one or more sources or information items with: Each statement the genealogist makes that is someone else's observation, deduction, or opinion.... The specificity of these connections leaves no question about the basis or source of each statement, fact, image, or conclusion." So as Harold suggests, if you make a statement then be sure to cite that it came from the undocumented book. In the footnote you can state that you deem this to be an unreliable source (along with its citation). You never know where your report will end up or when. 100 years from now people will still want to know where you found that information. -- Elissa Elissa Scalise Powell, CG , CGL www.PowellGenealogy.com www.GRIPitt.org 28 June-3 July 2015 and 19-24 July 2015 in Pittsburgh, PA CG, Certified Genealogist, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic evaluations. The board name is a trademark registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. -----Original Message----- From: On Behalf Of Harold Henderson via Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 9:05 AM Debbie -- I think you're on the right track in trying to make it clear to the client that these sources may provide useful clues but are not authoritative. (Bear in mind that clients can also be sophisticated and not be very impressed with these books when we trot them out.) My preference would be to mention this in appropriate ways in the opening summary, in the text itself, and in the suggestions for future research. Be specific: "Book XX says he died in 1790, but it does not give a source and in the time available this claim has not been confirmed." Even if the client doesn't get the message, s/he may get it later, and you are setting a great example for them (and any other readers of your report) by being conscious of source quality and always questioning what has been published. Some books may provide signals as to their potential accuracy: what is said in the introduction, whether there *is* an introduction, whether some claims have been verified (or falsified), whether they blithely assume connections to famous people because of having the same last name, how even-handed their historical portions are, etc. When obtainable, this information would also be good to mention. It was fashionable in the late 1800s and early 1900s for genealogists to cloak themselves in authoritative tones, and the "mug books" -- county histories with biographies usually provided by the profiled individual, who paid for it -- were rarely even written by genealogists. These may be more reliable about recent ancestors than distant ones, but I don't know whether anyone has tried to make a survey. You didn't ask about this, but I will add one other thought. "Primary source" and "secondary source" are terms that may work well for historians, but they are imprecise and clumsy tools for genealogists. (Just try to determine whether a death certificate is a primary source or secondary source!) Elizabeth Shown Mills gives a quick rundown of the genealogy field's improved standard terminology in her evidence process map at https://www.evidenceexplained.com/content/quicklesson-17-evidence-analysis-process-map. Good luck! Harold Harold Henderson, CG midwestroots.net *Finding Ancestors in Fort Wayne: The Genealogist's Unofficial One-Stop Guide to the Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center * http://www.midwestroots.net/ <http://www.midwestroots.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/ACPLGC-April-2013.pdf> Certified Genealogist (SM) No. 1029 Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists® used by the Board to identify its program of genealogical competency evaluation and used under license by the Board’s associates. On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 7:37 AM, Deborah Harvey via < [email protected]> wrote: > I am working on a report for a client to trace the family lines back > as far as I can. This effort has a time limit and a set fee. On > several lines, I've located books written in the late 1800s, early > 1900s on some of the lines that provide information on the family line for several generations. > I'm unable to find primary source information for some of the > relationships. I'd like to include this in my report, but I want to > indicate that the information has not all been verified by me. My > thoughts are to cite the books and where I have primary sources cite > those rather than the book; however, I'm afraid the client will not > fully appreciate that the book citations are less certain. I've > thought to provide in the report overview/summary a statement > explaining this, but am interested how others have handled this type > of situation and the best way to not ignore information but report it appropriately. > > Thanks for your help, > Debbie Harvey
Patti Hobbs is no stranger to this list and now she has added board certification to her accomplishments. Over on BCG's Springboard blog, she talks with Judy Kellar Fox, and puts into words what many of us feel: “It has been thrilling to me to see how the everyday people fit into the grand historical themes." More at: http://bcgcertification.org/blog/2015/01/welcome-patricia-lee-hobbs-cg/ Harold Henderson, CG midwestroots.net *Finding Ancestors in Fort Wayne: The Genealogist's Unofficial One-Stop Guide to the Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center * http://www.midwestroots.net/ <http://www.midwestroots.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/ACPLGC-April-2013.pdf> Certified Genealogist (SM) No. 1029 Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists® used by the Board to identify its program of genealogical competency evaluation and used under license by the Board’s associates.
A little education of the client goes a long way in these situations. I'd include a brief discussion of evidence and its application to the quality of this source within the detailed research notes section of the report. I would not include this information in the summary of findings, which a client often takes to be proven fact, but rather discuss it only within your detailed research notes. If you have any questions about what I mean, please feel free to email me privately. Sincerely, Melanie D. Holtz, CG Holtz Research Services [email protected] www.holtzresearch.com > On Jan 18, 2015, at 8:47 AM, Deborah Harvey via <[email protected]> wrote: > > I am working on a report for a client to trace the family lines back as far > as I can. This effort has a time limit and a set fee. On several lines, > I've located books written in the late 1800s, early 1900s on some of the > lines that provide information on the family line for several generations. > I'm unable to find primary source information for some of the > relationships. I'd like to include this in my report, but I want to > indicate that the information has not all been verified by me. My thoughts > are to cite the books and where I have primary sources cite those rather > than the book; however, I'm afraid the client will not fully appreciate > that the book citations are less certain. I've thought to provide in the > report overview/summary a statement explaining this, but am interested how > others have handled this type of situation and the best way to not ignore > information but report it appropriately. > > Thanks for your help, > Debbie Harvey > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I am working on a report for a client to trace the family lines back as far as I can. This effort has a time limit and a set fee. On several lines, I've located books written in the late 1800s, early 1900s on some of the lines that provide information on the family line for several generations. I'm unable to find primary source information for some of the relationships. I'd like to include this in my report, but I want to indicate that the information has not all been verified by me. My thoughts are to cite the books and where I have primary sources cite those rather than the book; however, I'm afraid the client will not fully appreciate that the book citations are less certain. I've thought to provide in the report overview/summary a statement explaining this, but am interested how others have handled this type of situation and the best way to not ignore information but report it appropriately. Thanks for your help, Debbie Harvey
Debbie -- I think you're on the right track in trying to make it clear to the client that these sources may provide useful clues but are not authoritative. (Bear in mind that clients can also be sophisticated and not be very impressed with these books when we trot them out.) My preference would be to mention this in appropriate ways in the opening summary, in the text itself, and in the suggestions for future research. Be specific: "Book XX says he died in 1790, but it does not give a source and in the time available this claim has not been confirmed." Even if the client doesn't get the message, s/he may get it later, and you are setting a great example for them (and any other readers of your report) by being conscious of source quality and always questioning what has been published. Some books may provide signals as to their potential accuracy: what is said in the introduction, whether there *is* an introduction, whether some claims have been verified (or falsified), whether they blithely assume connections to famous people because of having the same last name, how even-handed their historical portions are, etc. When obtainable, this information would also be good to mention. It was fashionable in the late 1800s and early 1900s for genealogists to cloak themselves in authoritative tones, and the "mug books" -- county histories with biographies usually provided by the profiled individual, who paid for it -- were rarely even written by genealogists. These may be more reliable about recent ancestors than distant ones, but I don't know whether anyone has tried to make a survey. You didn't ask about this, but I will add one other thought. "Primary source" and "secondary source" are terms that may work well for historians, but they are imprecise and clumsy tools for genealogists. (Just try to determine whether a death certificate is a primary source or secondary source!) Elizabeth Shown Mills gives a quick rundown of the genealogy field's improved standard terminology in her evidence process map at https://www.evidenceexplained.com/content/quicklesson-17-evidence-analysis-process-map. Good luck! Harold Harold Henderson, CG midwestroots.net *Finding Ancestors in Fort Wayne: The Genealogist's Unofficial One-Stop Guide to the Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center * http://www.midwestroots.net/ <http://www.midwestroots.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/ACPLGC-April-2013.pdf> Certified Genealogist (SM) No. 1029 Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists® used by the Board to identify its program of genealogical competency evaluation and used under license by the Board’s associates. On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 7:37 AM, Deborah Harvey via < [email protected]> wrote: > I am working on a report for a client to trace the family lines back as far > as I can. This effort has a time limit and a set fee. On several lines, > I've located books written in the late 1800s, early 1900s on some of the > lines that provide information on the family line for several generations. > I'm unable to find primary source information for some of the > relationships. I'd like to include this in my report, but I want to > indicate that the information has not all been verified by me. My thoughts > are to cite the books and where I have primary sources cite those rather > than the book; however, I'm afraid the client will not fully appreciate > that the book citations are less certain. I've thought to provide in the > report overview/summary a statement explaining this, but am interested how > others have handled this type of situation and the best way to not ignore > information but report it appropriately. > > Thanks for your help, > Debbie Harvey > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Hi, The oath of allegiance is on the document you see, about 2/3 down. You don't get much on Probate naturalization records. The declaration of intent is probably in the execution dockets of the Probate Court. You will need to search them. If there is an index in the front of the book, you are lucky. It is usually a statement that the person declared his intent to become a citizen. The document created from that time period was in the hands of the person. There probably is no separate naturalization Declaration of Alien Intention book at that time. I have also found these in Chancery Court, but that was much earlier. I suggest you contact Probate Court there and ask about this. You may have to search page by page carefully. At least you only have a few years to look through because they expired, I believe, in 7 years. It was at least two years before the naturalization petition which states it was in "this court." Cynthia On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 11:29:38 -0800 Jan Ahrens <[email protected]> writes: > Cynthia, > > Thanks - that is a great find. The second link does show the final > record of the naturalization. For the first link on the Declaration > of Intentions, however, the date ranges are after my 1881 date (they > are 1883 +). The title of the record group includes 1800-1977 but > then the categories are from 1883 1918 apparently. Other ideas? > Anyone? > > Thanks! > Jan > On Jan 13, 2015, at 11:09 AM, <[email protected]> > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi, Jan, > > > > These appear on FamilySearch. You can try the searcher, but you > will > > probably end up browsing. > > > https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearc > > > h.org%2Frecapi%2Fsord%2Fwaypoint%2FMCFK-TTL%3A265566601%3Fcc%3D1987615 > > > > The specific record indexed is here. > > > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-28311-19285-24?cc=1987615&w > > c=MCFG-TM9:265566601,265816901 > > > > Genially, > > > > Cynthia Turk, CG(SM) > > Geneal Pursuits http://GenealPursuits.com > > 440-951-0914 > > Certified Genealogist and its short form, CG, are service marks of > the > > Board for Certification of Genealogists®, used under license by > board > > certificants who meet competency standards. The Board's name is > > registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 10:48:01 -0800 Jan Ahrens via > > <[email protected]> writes: > >> Hi Everyone, > >> > >> I have an 'Ohio, County Naturalization Records, 1800-1977' index > > >> card with the following information: > >> > >> James Cleave > >> Vol 4 Page 115 > >> File No 2539 > >> Akron, Summit Co. O Probate Court > >> England (birth) > >> Oct 10th, 1881 (Date of naturalization) > >> J. B. Cross (witness) > >> > >> Does anyone know where and how to obtain the documents this > refers > >> to (declaration of intention, oath of allegiance...)? They were > not > >> on Fold3, Ancestry or FamilySearch that I could find. Does the > > >> Summit Co Probate Court still hold them? > >> > >> Thanks! > >> Jan Joyce Ahrens > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the > word > >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the > >> message > >> > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > The #1 Worst Carb Ever? > > Click to Learn #1 Carb that Kills Your Blood Sugar (Don't > Eat This!) > > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/54b56dc85e6d66dc80561st04vuc > >