Part of the problems may be the federal government lack of funding of the Homeland Security which I gather this is part of now. Just a guess Erica Voolich Erica Dakin Voolich •Genealogist, check out my genealogy blogs http://genea-adventures.blogspot.com http://ursulawright.blogspot.com http://geneabloggers.com/introduce-erica-dakin-voolich/ •Secretary, Middlesex Chapter, Massachusetts Society of Genealogists •Mathematics Tutor (grades 4 - algebra2, geometry) •President Somerville Mathematics Fund Dollars for Scholars Chapter, Winner of the 2011, New England Chapter of the Year Award Chapter, Winner of the 2003-2004 *Golden Tassel* Service Award We celebrate and encourage mathematics achievement in Somerville MA! http://www.somervillemathematicsfund.org Become a fan on our Facebook page: Facebook | Somerville Mathematics Fund Check out my blog: http://somervillemathematics.blogspot.com/ On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 9:04 AM, JG Russell via < [email protected]> wrote: > At 03:01 AM 2/3/2015, Cynthia Kennedy wrote: > >Five months ago, I ordered a registry file from the USCIS Genealogy > >Program, for an individual who was repatriated in 1934. I had > >already obtained the file number. After all this time, I still do > >not have the file. > > It doesn't help at all in getting the file you need, but know that > you're not alone. On May 15, 2014, I ordered an alien registration > file from USCIS. It arrived last week. > > -- Judy G. Russell > The Legal Genealogist > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Cynthia, I order files from USCIS on a regular basis. The request typically takes 120 days. 6 months is not unheard of. Linda Okazaki -----Original Message----- From: transitional-genealogists-forum-request <[email protected]> To: transitional-genealogists-forum <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, Feb 3, 2015 1:11 am Subject: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 9, Issue 23 Today's Topics: 1. Problem Obtaining Registry File From USCIS (Cynthia Kennedy) 2. Re: Problem Obtaining Registry File From USCIS (Rich Venezia) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 20:30:11 -0800 From: Cynthia Kennedy <[email protected]> Subject: [TGF] Problem Obtaining Registry File From USCIS To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Five months ago, I ordered a registry file from the USCIS Genealogy Program, for an individual who was repatriated in 1934. I had already obtained the file number. After all this time, I still do not have the file. The number that I was given to call is always answered with a recording, and I have not received a return call from any of the messages I have left. I sent an email in early December, to the email address supplied on my order form, and received this response, just before Christmas: Please note that this request is still being processed. There was a delay in receiving your Registry File. Once we have received the file your request will be expedited. We apologize for the delay. The site states that they do not permit onsite researchers. At this point, I do not know what to do. I paid $35. Perhaps they can't locate the file? I have ordered plenty of files from NARA without feeling like my order and my money have fallen into a black hole. Is there any way for me to find out what is going on? Thanks, Cindy Kennedy ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 21:43:35 -0700 From: Rich Venezia <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [TGF] Problem Obtaining Registry File From USCIS To: Cynthia Kennedy <[email protected]> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]om> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cindy, I just heard from another genealogist who ordered a USCIS file in *June *that they are still processing her request. I think their (generic) email to her (and this was just a few weeks ago in January) said that some June requests were being handled and some July requests were being handled - maybe one was an index search and the other was an actual record retrieval. The moral of the story is - you seem to be in good company. I know that doesn't help your current situation, but it just seems they are very behind at the moment. R On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 9:30 PM, Cynthia Kennedy via < [email protected]> wrote: > > > Five months ago, I ordered a registry file from the USCIS Genealogy > Program, for an individual who was repatriated in 1934. I had already > obtained the file number. After all this time, I still do not have the > file. The number that I was given to call is always answered with a > recording, and I have not received a return call from any of the messages I > have left. I sent an email in early December, to the email address > supplied on my order form, and received this response, just before > Christmas: > > Please note that this request is still being processed. There was a delay > in receiving your Registry File. Once we have received the file your > request will be expedited. We apologize for the delay. > > > The site states that they do not permit onsite researchers. At this > point, I do not know what to do. I paid $35. Perhaps they can't locate the > file? I have ordered plenty of files from NARA without feeling like my > order and my money have fallen into a black hole. > > Is there any way for me to find out what is going on? > > Thanks, > > Cindy Kennedy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Rich Venezia 908.392.1826 [email protected] Rich Roots Genealogy http://www.richroots.net/ https://www.facebook.com/richrootsgenealogy ------------------------------ End of TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 9, Issue 23 **************************************************************

At 03:01 AM 2/3/2015, Cynthia Kennedy wrote: >Five months ago, I ordered a registry file from the USCIS Genealogy >Program, for an individual who was repatriated in 1934. I had >already obtained the file number. After all this time, I still do >not have the file. It doesn't help at all in getting the file you need, but know that you're not alone. On May 15, 2014, I ordered an alien registration file from USCIS. It arrived last week. -- Judy G. Russell The Legal Genealogist

Mine took 6 months. I'm sure you will get it. As with most government agencies, it takes a whole lot of patience. Joan On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 11:30 PM, Cynthia Kennedy via < [email protected]> wrote: > > > Five months ago, I ordered a registry file from the USCIS Genealogy > Program, for an individual who was repatriated in 1934. I had already > obtained the file number. After all this time, I still do not have the > file. The number that I was given to call is always answered with a > recording, and I have not received a return call from any of the messages I > have left. I sent an email in early December, to the email address > supplied on my order form, and received this response, just before > Christmas: > > Please note that this request is still being processed. There was a delay > in receiving your Registry File. Once we have received the file your > request will be expedited. We apologize for the delay. > > > The site states that they do not permit onsite researchers. At this > point, I do not know what to do. I paid $35. Perhaps they can't locate the > file? I have ordered plenty of files from NARA without feeling like my > order and my money have fallen into a black hole. > > Is there any way for me to find out what is going on? > > Thanks, > > Cindy Kennedy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- *Joan Peake* *Peake to the Past* 11 Mountain Vista Dr. Morgantown, WV 26508 Phone: 304.685.9433 email: [email protected] *“All mankind is of one author, and is one volume. When a man dies, one chapter is not torn out the book, but translated into a better language; and every chapter must be so translated.”* *John Donne*

Cindy, I just heard from another genealogist who ordered a USCIS file in *June *that they are still processing her request. I think their (generic) email to her (and this was just a few weeks ago in January) said that some June requests were being handled and some July requests were being handled - maybe one was an index search and the other was an actual record retrieval. The moral of the story is - you seem to be in good company. I know that doesn't help your current situation, but it just seems they are very behind at the moment. R On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 9:30 PM, Cynthia Kennedy via < [email protected]> wrote: > > > Five months ago, I ordered a registry file from the USCIS Genealogy > Program, for an individual who was repatriated in 1934. I had already > obtained the file number. After all this time, I still do not have the > file. The number that I was given to call is always answered with a > recording, and I have not received a return call from any of the messages I > have left. I sent an email in early December, to the email address > supplied on my order form, and received this response, just before > Christmas: > > Please note that this request is still being processed. There was a delay > in receiving your Registry File. Once we have received the file your > request will be expedited. We apologize for the delay. > > > The site states that they do not permit onsite researchers. At this > point, I do not know what to do. I paid $35. Perhaps they can't locate the > file? I have ordered plenty of files from NARA without feeling like my > order and my money have fallen into a black hole. > > Is there any way for me to find out what is going on? > > Thanks, > > Cindy Kennedy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Rich Venezia 908.392.1826 [email protected] Rich Roots Genealogy http://www.richroots.net/ https://www.facebook.com/richrootsgenealogy

Five months ago, I ordered a registry file from the USCIS Genealogy Program, for an individual who was repatriated in 1934. I had already obtained the file number. After all this time, I still do not have the file. The number that I was given to call is always answered with a recording, and I have not received a return call from any of the messages I have left. I sent an email in early December, to the email address supplied on my order form, and received this response, just before Christmas: Please note that this request is still being processed. There was a delay in receiving your Registry File. Once we have received the file your request will be expedited. We apologize for the delay. The site states that they do not permit onsite researchers. At this point, I do not know what to do. I paid $35. Perhaps they can't locate the file? I have ordered plenty of files from NARA without feeling like my order and my money have fallen into a black hole. Is there any way for me to find out what is going on? Thanks, Cindy Kennedy

I completely agree with Rondina regarding Mark's course. It was a definite time commitment, but very well worth it. I am so glad I took it, and I know I will be using what I learned over and over again in my research. Many thanks to the Virtual Institute people -- and especially to Mark -- for a couple of very full and well-spent Saturdays (not to mention the time during the week working on the assignments). Barbara Schenck who disclaims any influence by the Virtual Institute. Just wanted to second Rondina's view of the value of the course.

I wholeheartedly second Rondina's comments about Mark Lowe's agriculture class at the Virtual Institute. Also, I want to add that the format is something that we need to see more of. Mark provided assignments to complete and turn in to him. The comments he returned were extremely helpful and made me THINK. There comes a point in our education when we need to apply what we are learning and receive feedback. This class provided that opportunity. This class was an out of the ballpark home run. Kudos to Mark and the Virtual Institute! -- Michelle Goodrum http://www.theindepthgenealogist.com/ http://www.turning-of-generations.blogspot.com/ On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 1:01 AM, < [email protected]> wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Mark Lowe's Virtual Institute course (Rondina Muncy) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 21:17:36 -0600 > From: Rondina Muncy <[email protected]> > Subject: [TGF] Mark Lowe's Virtual Institute course > To: TGF <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <CALf_h7VwKjBd0-Mv+Eibb1pQmXcKy1ND+6MceWbEBnnz_F3_= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Those of you who did not take Mark Lowe's agriculture course at the Virtual > Institute last Saturday and today, oh my, what you missed. It was > outstanding. During the course I really came to believe that we should be > using certain agriculture resources just like we use the law. We wouldn't > discuss a supply tax for the Revolution without discussing and citing the > law. We wouldn't write about a mother being appointed as a guardian to her > own children without discussing and citing the law. I now believe that a > thorough review of the sources or kinds of sources that Mark presented in > the course should be a regular part of any land study or platting. > > The course will come up for purchase fairly soon, I suspect. I > wholeheartedly recommend it. > > (Disclaimer: This announcement was not even influenced by the folks in > charge of the Virtual Institute.) > > Rondina > _______________________ > Rondina P. Muncy > Ancestral Analysis > 4008 Linden Avenue > Fort Worth, Texas 76107 > 682.224.6584 > [email protected] > www.ancestralanalysis.com > > > > ************************************************************** >

Those of you who did not take Mark Lowe's agriculture course at the Virtual Institute last Saturday and today, oh my, what you missed. It was outstanding. During the course I really came to believe that we should be using certain agriculture resources just like we use the law. We wouldn't discuss a supply tax for the Revolution without discussing and citing the law. We wouldn't write about a mother being appointed as a guardian to her own children without discussing and citing the law. I now believe that a thorough review of the sources or kinds of sources that Mark presented in the course should be a regular part of any land study or platting. The course will come up for purchase fairly soon, I suspect. I wholeheartedly recommend it. (Disclaimer: This announcement was not even influenced by the folks in charge of the Virtual Institute.) Rondina _______________________ Rondina P. Muncy Ancestral Analysis 4008 Linden Avenue Fort Worth, Texas 76107 682.224.6584 [email protected] www.ancestralanalysis.com

The Massachusetts Society of Genealogists is looking for some engaging speakers for its upcoming 40th anniversary meeting on 7 November 2015 in Marlborough, MA. Our theme is *Migration to Massachusetts: The Ethnic Experience*. Please see this link for details: www.msoginc.org <http://www.msoginc.org/>. Feel free to forward this announcement to any who might be interested. Questions, please contact me directly at [email protected] Thanks! Margaret Fortier

The reason we cite dwelling and family numbers on a census page is because they represent specific entries on that page that we are citing. If you want to cite the entire page, with no reference to any specific households, then you would omit the references to any specific households. However, if you are citing data from specific households, then you need to cite those specific households. You can use a range if you like. Michael Hait, CG(sm) [email protected] http://www.haitfamilyresearch.com Author of *Online State Resources for Genealogy* ebook More information at http://haitfamilyresearch.com/onlineStates.htm CG and Certified Genealogist are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic competency evaluation, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office. -----Original Message----- From: Rich Venezia via Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 12:05 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [TGF] Citing a whole census page? Morning all, Just a (hopefully) quick question. How does one cite an entire census page, or multiple families on one page? For instance, to note the amount of immigrant families living as neighbors, or that various different men worked as laborers in a candy factory, say, or on the docks? Does each and every family on the page require a different citation? Can one just do a citation for the whole page and leave out the "dwelling #, family #, xxx household" bit? I know that when citing other specific households, a different entry would be required, but what about when looking at the page as a whole to compare the family of interest in relation to other families? Many thanks! Rich -- Rich Venezia 908.392.1826 [email protected] Rich Roots Genealogy http://www.richroots.net/ https://www.facebook.com/richrootsgenealogy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'd cite the range of family and dwelling numbers, and leave the names out. Otherwise the same. On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Rich Venezia via < [email protected]> wrote: > Morning all, > > Just a (hopefully) quick question. > > How does one cite an entire census page, or multiple families on one page? > For instance, to note the amount of immigrant families living as neighbors, > or that various different men worked as laborers in a candy factory, say, > or on the docks? > > Does each and every family on the page require a different citation? Can > one just do a citation for the whole page and leave out the "dwelling #, > family #, xxx household" bit? > > I know that when citing other specific households, a different entry would > be required, but what about when looking at the page as a whole to compare > the family of interest in relation to other families? > > > > Many thanks! > > > Rich > > -- > Rich Venezia > 908.392.1826 > [email protected] > > Rich Roots Genealogy > http://www.richroots.net/ > https://www.facebook.com/richrootsgenealogy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Morning all, Just a (hopefully) quick question. How does one cite an entire census page, or multiple families on one page? For instance, to note the amount of immigrant families living as neighbors, or that various different men worked as laborers in a candy factory, say, or on the docks? Does each and every family on the page require a different citation? Can one just do a citation for the whole page and leave out the "dwelling #, family #, xxx household" bit? I know that when citing other specific households, a different entry would be required, but what about when looking at the page as a whole to compare the family of interest in relation to other families? Many thanks! Rich -- Rich Venezia 908.392.1826 [email protected] Rich Roots Genealogy http://www.richroots.net/ https://www.facebook.com/richrootsgenealogy

GRIP is Utilizing a New Technological Registration Procedure Genealogical Research Institute of Pittsburgh (GRIP) is a very popular "summer camp for genealogists" that is held on the campus of La Roche College, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Last year 205 students from 40 states and 3 countries attended seven classes in Pittsburgh. Having fun while learning about genealogy in the company of friends and like-minded classmates is why students return year after year. Not to mention the course coordinators and instructors who are tops in the field! GRIP is happy to provide two separate weeks for learning opportunities this summer, each with its own opening registration date. Registration for the first week of GRIP is coming quickly on Wednesday, February 4, at Noon Eastern. A countdown timer has been installed on the GRIP registration page which will go automatically at the "zero hour" out to the registering system. There is no need to watch the clock, hit refresh, or otherwise fear that you will miss the "opening bell." In fact doing any such action will interfere with the automatic transition and slow your computer down. All you have to do is pick out your course from the list below and read the Registration page completely to prepare your registration answers. Descriptions of the eighteen lecture sessions for each course are detailed on the GRIP website. http://www.gripitt.org/?page_id=7 Any questions may be directed to <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] See you this summer in Pittsburgh! These six courses to be held June 28 to July 3, 2015 in Pittsburgh have registration beginning February 4: * <http://www.gripitt.org/?page_id=1518> Writing Your Immigrant Families' Stories: From Research to Publishing with John P. Colletta, Ph.D. and Michael Hait, CG * <http://www.gripitt.org/?page_id=1141> Determining Kinship Reliably with the Genealogical Proof Standard with Thomas W. Jones, PhD., CG, CGL and Karen Mauer Jones, CG, FGBS * Researching New York State with Karen Mauer Jones, CG , FGBS * <http://www.gripitt.org/?page_id=1528> Problem Solving with Church Records with Rev. Dr. David McDonald, CG * <http://www.gripitt.org/?page_id=1535> Advanced Research Tools: Land Records with Richard G. Sayre, CG, CGL and Pamela Boyer Sayre, CG, CGL, Angela McGhie, and Judy G. Russell, CG, CGL * <http://www.gripitt.org/?page_id=1147> Practical Genetic Genealogy with Debbie Parker Wayne, CG, CGL, CeCe Moore and Blaine Bettinger, Ph.D., J.D. These six courses to be held July 19-24, 2015 in Pittsburgh have registration beginning February 18: * <http://www.gripitt.org/?page_id=1195> Intermediate Genealogy: Tools for Digging Deeper with Paula Stuart-Warren, CG, FMGS, FUGA, Joshua Taylor, MA, MLS, and Debra Mieszala, CG * <http://www.gripitt.org/?page_id=1515> Advanced Research Methods with Thomas W. Jones, PhD., CG, CGL, Judy G. Russell, CG, CGL, Rick Sayre, CG, CGL, and Pam Sayre, CG, CGL * <http://www.gripitt.org/?page_id=1582> Refresh, Rebuild and Recharge Your Genealogy Career with D. Joshua Taylor, MA, MLS, Paula Stuart-Warren, CG, FMGS, FUGA, Judy G. Russell, CG, CGL, and Debra Mieszala, CG * <http://www.gripitt.org/?page_id=1541> Pennsylvania: Research in the Keystone State with Sharon Cook MacInnes, Ph.D. and Michael D. Lacopo, D.V.M. * <http://www.gripitt.org/?page_id=1524> Practical Genetic Genealogy with Debbie Parker Wayne, CG, CGL, Patti Hobbs, CG, and Blaine Bettinger, Ph.D., J.D. * <http://www.gripitt.org/?page_id=1168> Law School for Genealogists with Judy G. Russell, J.D., CG, CGL and Richard G. "Rick" Sayre, CG, CGL, Marian L. Smith Elissa Scalise Powell, CG , CGL <http://www.powellgenealogy.com/> www.PowellGenealogy.com <http://www.gripitt.org/> www.GRIPitt.org 28 June-3 July 2015 and 19-24 July 2015 in Pittsburgh, PA CG, Certified Genealogist, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic evaluations. The board name is a trademark registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office.

*Dear fellow genealogists,* *Below is information on the a writing competition that is a great way to get yourself published. This is my first year running the competition and I'd love to have a lot of entries.* *Thanks for your time,* *Jen Alford* Ohio Genealogical Society Writing Competition 1 January – 1 March 2015 OGS is sponsoring its genealogical writing contest to reward amateur and professional genealogical authorship and to fill the pages of its renowned journals with quality articles. All entries fitting the criteria will be considered for publication in Ohio Genealogy News (OGN) or the Ohio Genealogical Society Quarterly (OGSQ). 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Thank you Elizabeth and Kathy for you insights. In response to your questions Elizabeth, Does the manuscript have a formal title? If so, then it needs to be in quotation marks. *Yes the manuscript has a formal title, "Relative the History of the Prack Family."* - Is "before 1970" part of the title or is that your estimate of when the manuscript was prepared? *The manuscript is undated, however, since Caroline Bindon died in 1970, I know the information she appended to the document was added prior to 1970. * - The inclusion of Bindon (author of the appendix) as author prior to citing the document left me a bit confused, thinking that Prack and Bindon wrote the first manuscript together; then I had to sort out the other relationships. *Sorry for the confusion. I wasn't sure how to handle the inclusion of Bindon. For the project I'm working on, it does need to be clear who authored what portion of this document.* So your citation is much clearer than mine. And far more succinct! I will remove the "before 1970" date from the title since it was just my estimate of when the appendix was written. Wm. Prack, "Relative the History of the Prack Family," MS, San Francisco, Calif., undated, with undated appendix by Caroline (Ebling) Bindon, Prack's niece of Three Oaks, Michigan, further outlining Prack and Ebling family members; copy of both items supplied by Bindon's daughter, C. Fuller, to Michelle Goodrum, Mesa, Arizona; held 2015 by Goodrum. Thank you so much! Michelle > Michelle, as I read through your proposed citation, it triggered a couple > of > questions and a couple of other thoughts: > > - Does the manuscript have a formal title? If so, then it needs to be in > quotation marks. > - Is "before 1970" part of the title or is that your estimate of when the > manuscript was prepared? > - When citing a manuscript, the authors' places of residence usually aren't > cited in the author field. > - The inclusion of Bindon (author of the appendix) as author prior to > citing > the document left me a bit confused, thinking that Prack and Bindon wrote > the first manuscript together; then I had to sort out the other > relationships. > > Does the following express things accurately? > > Wm. Prack, "Relative the History of the Prack Family before 1970," MS, San > Francisco, Calif., undated, with undated appendix by Carolina (Ebling) > Bindon, Prack's niece of Three Oaks, Michigan, outlining post-1870 family > members; copy of both items supplied by Bindon's daughter, C. Fuller, to > Michelle Goodrum, Mesa, Arizona; held 2015 by Goodrum. > > Elizabeth > > --------------------------------------------- > Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG > www.HistoricPathways.com > www.EvidenceExplained.com > > & for everyday tips on records and record usage: > https://www.evidenceexplained.com/quicktips/ee > www.Facebook.com/ForgottenPeopleCaneRiverCreoles > >

Several observations and questions come to mind. Is this a reference note citation? If so, the compilers' names should be cited in that style rather than source list style: Wm. Prack and Caroline (Ebling) Bindon. If the source is a typescript or manuscript, then the exact title would be enclosed in quotation marks and identified as such along with its date of creation. When and from whom a copy[?] was received should be stated. That person's explanation of the document's provenance should be included. As a rough example: Wm Prack and Caroline (Ebling) Bindon, "Relative the History of the Prack Family before 1970," typescript dated XYZ; photocopy supplied by XYZ person on XYZ date; citing C. Fuller, daughter of Caroline (Ebling) Bindon. On 1/25/2015 3:43 PM, Michelle Goodrum via wrote: > I want to bounce a citation off the group. I'm citing a two page > unpublished, privately held, family history. It contains appended > information, by another family member, about a separate branch of the > family. The portion of the document I am citing is the appended information > about the separate branch of the family. Not the family in the main family > history. > > The only way I can think of to clearly create the citation is with > descriptive sentences regarding following the citation. I also added the > name of the person who appended the information as an author. I appreciate > any suggestions or input. > > Prack, Wm (San Francisco, California) and Caroline (Ebling) Bindon (Three > Oaks, Berrien County, Michigan), Relative the History of the Prack Family, > before 1970; privately held by M. Goodrum [address for private use,] Mesa, > Arizona, 2015. This two page document outlines Wm. Prack's ancestry. It is > appended with a statement by his niece, Caroline (Ebling) Bindon outlining > more recent Prack family members and Caroline's Ebling/Ebeling aunts and > uncles. The current owner obtained the document from C. Fuller daughter of > Caroline ndon.

Michelle, as I read through your proposed citation, it triggered a couple of questions and a couple of other thoughts: - Does the manuscript have a formal title? If so, then it needs to be in quotation marks. - Is "before 1970" part of the title or is that your estimate of when the manuscript was prepared? - When citing a manuscript, the authors' places of residence usually aren't cited in the author field. - The inclusion of Bindon (author of the appendix) as author prior to citing the document left me a bit confused, thinking that Prack and Bindon wrote the first manuscript together; then I had to sort out the other relationships. Does the following express things accurately? Wm. Prack, "Relative the History of the Prack Family before 1970," MS, San Francisco, Calif., undated, with undated appendix by Carolina (Ebling) Bindon, Prack's niece of Three Oaks, Michigan, outlining post-1870 family members; copy of both items supplied by Bindon's daughter, C. Fuller, to Michelle Goodrum, Mesa, Arizona; held 2015 by Goodrum. Elizabeth --------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG www.HistoricPathways.com www.EvidenceExplained.com & for everyday tips on records and record usage: https://www.evidenceexplained.com/quicktips/ee www.Facebook.com/ForgottenPeopleCaneRiverCreoles ---- I want to bounce a citation off the group. I'm citing a two page unpublished, privately held, family history. It contains appended information, by another family member, about a separate branch of the family. The portion of the document I am citing is the appended information about the separate branch of the family. Not the family in the main family history. The only way I can think of to clearly create the citation is with descriptive sentences regarding following the citation. I also added the name of the person who appended the information as an author. I appreciate any suggestions or input. Prack, Wm (San Francisco, California) and Caroline (Ebling) Bindon (Three Oaks, Berrien County, Michigan), Relative the History of the Prack Family, before 1970; privately held by M. Goodrum [address for private use,] Mesa, Arizona, 2015. This two page document outlines Wm. Prack's ancestry. It is appended with a statement by his niece, Caroline (Ebling) Bindon outlining more recent Prack family members and Caroline's Ebling/Ebeling aunts and uncles. The current owner obtained the document from C. Fuller daughter of Caroline Bindon. Thank you in advance. -- Michelle Goodrum ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I want to bounce a citation off the group. I'm citing a two page unpublished, privately held, family history. It contains appended information, by another family member, about a separate branch of the family. The portion of the document I am citing is the appended information about the separate branch of the family. Not the family in the main family history. The only way I can think of to clearly create the citation is with descriptive sentences regarding following the citation. I also added the name of the person who appended the information as an author. I appreciate any suggestions or input. Prack, Wm (San Francisco, California) and Caroline (Ebling) Bindon (Three Oaks, Berrien County, Michigan), Relative the History of the Prack Family, before 1970; privately held by M. Goodrum [address for private use,] Mesa, Arizona, 2015. This two page document outlines Wm. Prack's ancestry. It is appended with a statement by his niece, Caroline (Ebling) Bindon outlining more recent Prack family members and Caroline's Ebling/Ebeling aunts and uncles. The current owner obtained the document from C. Fuller daughter of Caroline Bindon. Thank you in advance. -- Michelle Goodrum

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