I am doing some research on my 5ggf and his children. According to his autobiography he was born in West Haven and his 9 children were also born in West Haven. In fact, he specifies that the same Reverend who baptized him in 1760 in West Haven also baptized all of his children born 1784-1804. The 1790, 1800 and 1820 census places him in New Haven. The Barbour collection was lacking in vital records for this family. I went on little scavenger hunt to find some vital records. * My first stop was New Haven Town Hall as their records are not in Barbour Collection. No luck, but their physical collection seems to match up nicely with the film descriptions from FHL. They suggested I go to West Haven, Connecticut Town Hall. * No luck in West Haven. The West Haven Town Hall records include three volumes of old BMD records covering the years 1836-1874. [the listing in the FHL catalogue for West Haven seems inconsistent with these volumes as the years and volume numbers do not match up]. She suggested since West Haven split from Orange that I go to Orange, Connecticut Town Hall. * The Orange Town Hall records start in 1921. They suggested I check out Milford Town Hall as Orange split from Milford before West Haven split from them. * Milford Town Hall did have various old indexes that seems to overlap and also did not include my family. There was BMD index 1640-1875, another one BMD Index 1847-1849 [which was actually 1847-1850], another one BMD index 1640-1850, one called "A verbatim copy of the earliest record of the town of Milford" and then a BMD "vol.8" 1852-1867 [no vol. 1-7 or 9+ anywhere in sight]. My understanding was that the vital records for Connecticut were all held at the Town level. If they aren't at the local Town Hall and they aren't in the Barbour Collection and they aren't on the FHL microfilms is there some other source I am missing? Aside from Church records which I will explore at the Connecticut State Library once the snow subsides. Thanks in advance for your input! Shannon

Just a heads-up for anyone else. I occasionally used HQ images when they were better than those from Ancestry. The HQ pages have said that "upgrades" were coming this week. It appears that those are to use Ancestry's, search system, indexes and images. I just checked on an image I recently copied from HQ because it was clear- Ancestry's was virtually too faint to read. The HQ image is now Ancestry's, meaning the readable image from HQ is gone. Rick Saunders

The archives shows 76 messages in February. http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/surname/t/transitional-genealogists -foru.html#TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM That is a little less than the average for last fall. You can always catch up on your reading in the archives. -- Elissa Elissa Scalise Powell, CG , CGL www.PowellGenealogy.com www.GRIPitt.org 28 June-3 July 2015 and 19-24 July 2015 in Pittsburgh, PA CG, Certified Genealogist, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic evaluations. The board name is a trademark registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sue Forshee Cooper via Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 1:18 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [TGF] No emails received I have been a subscriber for a few years and I notice from time to time, the list gets quiet. Guess, everyone is out doing research and/or attending Conferences!! ----Sincerely, Sue Forshee Cooper Professional Genealogist Researcher: KY-TN Research Associates Probate Genealogist Member: Metro Nashville Public Records Commission Memberin good standing: Middle TN Genealogical Society; Simpson Co.,KY Chapter DAR; Logan Co., KY Genealogical Society, County Coordinator: Simpson Co., KY GenWeb site; Commissioned a KY Colonel 1992 http://kytn.weebly.com/ www.simpsonco.bizland.com/PROFESSIONAL_GENEALOGIST.HTM May Your troubles be less Your Blessings Be More And nothing but Happiness Come through your door. -----Original Message----- From: Fran West-Powe via <[email protected]> To: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, Mar 3, 2015 12:02 pm Subject: [TGF] No emails received Thanks very much to all who replied to my inquiry. I think the list has just been very quiet of late. No, I did not receive the GRIP information, thanks for asking and for sending. FWP Fran ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have been a subscriber for a few years and I notice from time to time, the list gets quiet. Guess, everyone is out doing research and/or attending Conferences!! ----Sincerely, Sue Forshee Cooper Professional Genealogist Researcher: KY-TN Research Associates Probate Genealogist Member: Metro Nashville Public Records Commission Memberin good standing: Middle TN Genealogical Society; Simpson Co.,KY Chapter DAR; Logan Co., KY Genealogical Society, County Coordinator: Simpson Co., KY GenWeb site; Commissioned a KY Colonel 1992 http://kytn.weebly.com/ www.simpsonco.bizland.com/PROFESSIONAL_GENEALOGIST.HTM May Your troubles be less Your Blessings Be More And nothing but Happiness Come through your door. -----Original Message----- From: Fran West-Powe via <[email protected]> To: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, Mar 3, 2015 12:02 pm Subject: [TGF] No emails received Thanks very much to all who replied to my inquiry. I think the list has just been very quiet of late. No, I did not receive the GRIP information, thanks for asking and for sending. FWP Fran ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for the suggestion. I did check the spam folder as well as the _all mail_ and there have been no messages, well, other than the one previously mentioned. Thanks again to all who wrote. I am going to take Harold's suggestion, unsub and re-sub. Thanks to all. FWP Fran

Thanks very much to all who replied to my inquiry. I think the list has just been very quiet of late. No, I did not receive the GRIP information, thanks for asking and for sending. FWP Fran

I had a similar problem. I found I could not choose the digest form. Once I realized that, I got on the list right away. On Mar 3, 2015, at 3:01 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. No emails received (Fran West-Powe) > 2. Re: No emails received (Charles Purvis) > 3. Re: No emails received (Mary Douglass) > 4. Re: No emails received (Dave Liesse) > 5. Re: No emails received (Elissa Scalise Powell) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2015 09:34:41 -0500 > From: Fran West-Powe <[email protected]> > Subject: [TGF] No emails received > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[email protected]om> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > I subscribed to this list 5 February, 2015. To date, I have received one > email. > > Am I subscribed to this list? > > FWP > Fran > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2015 15:14:11 -0500 > From: Charles Purvis <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [TGF] No emails received > To: Fran West-Powe <[email protected]>, > [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > YES > > On 3/2/2015 9:34 AM, Fran West-Powe via wrote: >> I subscribed to this list 5 February, 2015. To date, I have received one >> email. >> >> Am I subscribed to this list? >> >> FWP >> Fran >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2015 15:09:36 -0600 > From: Mary Douglass <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [TGF] No emails received > To: Fran West-Powe via <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I saw your message.? > > <div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Fran West-Powe via <[email protected]> </div><div>Date:03/02/2015 8:34 AM (GMT-06:00) </div><div>To: [email protected] </div><div>Subject: [TGF] No emails received </div><div> > </div>I subscribed to this list 5 February, 2015. To date, I have received one > email. > > Am I subscribed to this list? > > FWP > Fran > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2015 13:29:59 -0800 > From: Dave Liesse <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [TGF] No emails received > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > I received your email, anyway. Let us know if you get this response. > > Dave Liesse > > > On 3/2/2015 06:34, Fran West-Powe via wrote: >> I subscribed to this list 5 February, 2015. To date, I have received one >> email. >> >> Am I subscribed to this list? >> >> FWP >> Fran >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2015 22:45:13 -0500 > From: "Elissa Scalise Powell" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [TGF] No emails received > To: "'TGF'" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > You mean you haven't received the announcements from the Genealogical > Research Institute of Pittsburgh (GRIP) on this list that said that all > courses have seats in June and all but two have seats in July? (smile) If > your curiosity is piqued, you can visit www.GRIPitt.org for information on > this "summer camp for genealogists." Although the Genetic Genealogy (DNA) > course first sold out in June in about 3 minutes, a second classroom was > opened and still has room. It shows the popularity of the topic! > > Best wishes, > Elissa > > Elissa Scalise Powell, CG , CGL > www.PowellGenealogy.com > www.GRIPitt.org 28 June-3 July 2015 and 19-24 July 2015 in Pittsburgh, PA > CG, Certified Genealogist, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are > service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under > license by board certificants after periodic evaluations. The board name is > a trademark registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Fran West-Powe via > Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 9:35 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [TGF] No emails received > > I subscribed to this list 5 February, 2015. To date, I have received one > email. > > Am I subscribed to this list? > > FWP > Fran > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 9, Issue 45 > **************************************************************

You mean you haven't received the announcements from the Genealogical Research Institute of Pittsburgh (GRIP) on this list that said that all courses have seats in June and all but two have seats in July? (smile) If your curiosity is piqued, you can visit www.GRIPitt.org for information on this "summer camp for genealogists." Although the Genetic Genealogy (DNA) course first sold out in June in about 3 minutes, a second classroom was opened and still has room. It shows the popularity of the topic! Best wishes, Elissa Elissa Scalise Powell, CG , CGL www.PowellGenealogy.com www.GRIPitt.org 28 June-3 July 2015 and 19-24 July 2015 in Pittsburgh, PA CG, Certified Genealogist, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic evaluations. The board name is a trademark registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Fran West-Powe via Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 9:35 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [TGF] No emails received I subscribed to this list 5 February, 2015. To date, I have received one email. Am I subscribed to this list? FWP Fran ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

YES On 3/2/2015 9:34 AM, Fran West-Powe via wrote: > I subscribed to this list 5 February, 2015. To date, I have received one > email. > > Am I subscribed to this list? > > FWP > Fran > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I saw your message.  <div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Fran West-Powe via <[email protected]> </div><div>Date:03/02/2015 8:34 AM (GMT-06:00) </div><div>To: [email protected] </div><div>Subject: [TGF] No emails received </div><div> </div>I subscribed to this list 5 February, 2015. To date, I have received one email. Am I subscribed to this list? FWP Fran ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I received your email, anyway. Let us know if you get this response. Dave Liesse On 3/2/2015 06:34, Fran West-Powe via wrote: > I subscribed to this list 5 February, 2015. To date, I have received one > email. > > Am I subscribed to this list? > > FWP > Fran > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I subscribed to this list 5 February, 2015. To date, I have received one email. Am I subscribed to this list? FWP Fran

Three new titles that may be of interest: Constructing a German diaspora : the "Greater German Empire," 1871-1914 / Stefan Manz Routledge/Taylor & Francis Group, 2014 ISBN: 9780415892261 http://www.amazon.com/Constructing-German-Diaspora-1871-1914-Routledge/dp/0415892260/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1424878101&sr=1-1 Chapter 2 is titled “Patterns of migration and settlement” Summary from Amazon: “This book takes on a global perspective to unravel the complex relationship between Imperial Germany and its diaspora. Around 1900, German-speakers living abroad were tied into global power-political aspirations. They were represented as outposts of a "Greater German Empire" whose ethnic links had to be preserved for their own and the fatherland’s benefits. Did these ideas fall on fertile ground abroad? In the light of extreme social, political, and religious heterogeneity, diaspora construction did not redeem the all-encompassing fantasies of its engineers. But it certainly was at work, as nationalism "went global" in many German ethnic communities. Three thematic areas are taken as examples to illustrate the emergence of globally operating organizations and communication flows: Politics and the navy issue, Protestantism, and German schools abroad as "bulwarks of language preservation." The public negotiation of these issues is explored for localities as diverse as Shanghai, Cape Town, Blumenau in Brazil, Melbourne, Glasgow, the Upper Midwest in the United States, and the Volga Basin in Russia. The mobilisation of ethno-national diasporas is also a feature of modern-day globalization. The theoretical ramifications analysed in the book are as poignant today as they were for the nineteenth century.” Gateway to freedom : the hidden history of the underground railroad / Eric Foner W.W. Norton & Company, 2015 ISBN: 9780393244076 http://www.amazon.com/Gateway-Freedom-History-Underground-Railroad/dp/0393244075/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1424878979&sr=1-1 Summary from Amazon: “The dramatic story of fugitive slaves and the antislavery activists who defied the law to help them reach freedom. More than any other scholar, Eric Foner has influenced our understanding of America's history. Now, making brilliant use of extraordinary evidence, the Pulitzer Prize–winning historian once again reconfigures the national saga of American slavery and freedom. A deeply entrenched institution, slavery lived on legally and commercially even in the northern states that had abolished it after the American Revolution. Slaves could be found in the streets of New York well after abolition, traveling with owners doing business with the city's major banks, merchants, and manufacturers. New York was also home to the North’s largest free black community, making it a magnet for fugitive slaves seeking refuge. Slave catchers and gangs of kidnappers roamed the city, seizing free blacks, often children, and sending them south to slavery. To protect fugitives and fight kidnappings, the city's free blacks worked with white abolitionists to organize the New York Vigilance Committee in 1835. In the 1840s vigilance committees proliferated throughout the North and began collaborating to dispatch fugitive slaves from the upper South, Washington, and Baltimore, through Philadelphia and New York, to Albany, Syracuse, and Canada. These networks of antislavery resistance, centered on New York City, became known as the underground railroad. Forced to operate in secrecy by hostile laws, courts, and politicians, the city’s underground-railroad agents helped more than 3,000 fugitive slaves reach freedom between 1830 and 1860. Until now, their stories have remained largely unknown, their significance little understood. Building on fresh evidence—including a detailed record of slave escapes secretly kept by Sydney Howard Gay, one of the key organizers in New York—Foner elevates the underground railroad from folklore to sweeping history. The story is inspiring—full of memorable characters making their first appearance on the historical stage—and significant—the controversy over fugitive slaves inflamed the sectional crisis of the 1850s. It eventually took a civil war to destroy American slavery, but here at last is the story of the courageous effort to fight slavery by "practical abolition," person by person, family by family.” To live and die in Dixie : native northerners who fought for the Confederacy / David Ross Zimring The University of Tennessee Press, 2015 ISBN: 9781621901068 Includes lists of names! Summary from Amazon: “According to the 1860 census, nearly 350,000 native northerners resided in a southern state by the time of the Civil War. Although northern in birth and upbringing, many of these men and women identified with their adopted section once they moved south. In this innovative study, David Ross Zimring examines what motivated these Americans to change sections, support (or not) the Confederate cause, and, in many cases, rise to considerable influence in their new homeland. By analyzing the lives of northern emigrants in the South, Zimring deepens our understanding of the nature of sectional identity as well as the strength of Confederate nationalism. Focusing on a representative sample of emigrants, Zimring identifies two subgroups: "adoptive southerners," individuals born and raised in a state above the Mason-Dixon line but who but did not necessarily join the Confederacy after they moved south, and "Northern Confederates," emigrants who sided with the Confederacy during the Civil War. After analyzing statistical data on states of origin, age, education, decade of migration, and, most importantly, the reasons why these individuals embarked for the South in the first place, Zimring goes on to explore the prewar lives of adoptive southerners, the adaptations they made with regard to slavery, and the factors that influenced their allegiances during the secession crisis. He also analyzes their contributions to the Confederate military and home front, the emergence of their Confederate identities and nationalism, their experiences as prisoners of war in the North, and the reactions they elicited from native southerners. In tracing these journeys from native northerner to Confederate veteran, this book reveals not only the complex transformations of adoptive southerners but also the flexibility of sectional and national identity before the war and the loss of that flexibility in its aftermath. To Live and Die in Dixie is a thought-provoking work that provides a novel perspective on the revolutionary changes the Civil War unleashed on American society.” Tony L.

What you are probably dealing with is a list where the commissioner did not change the "name," i.e., ownership. He is still seeing it as the widow's property and it is probably easier for him to identify it that way. I would study other lists by the same commissioner---each commissioner did his own thing to a degree. The governing body was only interested in collecting money, not in who was listed as the owner of the property, which sometimes was not the same person as the one who paid the tax. Barbara Vines Little, CG, FNGS, FVGS PO Box 1273 Orange, VA 22960 540-832-3473 [email protected] CG, Certified Genealogist, is a service mark of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board-certified genealogists after periodic evaluation; the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office. On 2/24/2015 10:40 AM, Patricia Hobbs via wrote: > I just checked the dates more closely. The first list she appears is 1800 > (actually I have to go back and look at the 1799 which was too dark to read > on a normal microfilm reader -- have to use the newer one which was being > used by another library patron) and she didn't marry until December. That > explains why she would be on that list with her first married name. The > next year's list, she is not taxed for any property as she was in 1800, > although her name still appears with her first married name. (assuming my > scenario is correct.) As someone wrote to me privately, it's possible that > they just copied her name over from the previous list, but one year it is > "Nancy" and the other "Ann." And I am assuming they are the same person. > There just were not very many people with the particular surname in this > county. > > Patti > > On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Patricia Hobbs <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> How common do you think it is to find a widow listed on a Kentucky tax >> list a year or two after her remarriage still listed with her first married >> name? >> >> I have seen it in Pennsylvania tax lists, but also the first entry made it >> clear that she was the widow. It's pretty clear this woman must be the >> widow (property size and description the same), but I think she remarried >> and only her name continuing on the tax list for a couple of years makes me >> hesitate. I will be looking to see if the second husband is being taxed for >> the land. He lived in the adjoining county (that's where he is taxed), so >> it's on a different roll of microfilm. >> >> Patti >> > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Patti, I had the same problem with documents listing Ann and Nancy. I thought it was the same person, but could not prove it was on wasn't until I found Christine Rose's book on "Nicknames." Nancy is a nickname for Ann, although Nancy is also a given name. When I learned this from the book everything fell into place. I did have the same person using both her given name Ann and sometimes her nickname Nancy. Chuck Mason -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Patricia Hobbs via Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 10:40 AM To: TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM-L Subject: Re: [TGF] Tax lists I just checked the dates more closely. The first list she appears is 1800 (actually I have to go back and look at the 1799 which was too dark to read on a normal microfilm reader -- have to use the newer one which was being used by another library patron) and she didn't marry until December. That explains why she would be on that list with her first married name. The next year's list, she is not taxed for any property as she was in 1800, although her name still appears with her first married name. (assuming my scenario is correct.) As someone wrote to me privately, it's possible that they just copied her name over from the previous list, but one year it is "Nancy" and the other "Ann." And I am assuming they are the same person. There just were not very many people with the particular surname in this county. Patti On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Patricia Hobbs <[email protected]> wrote: > How common do you think it is to find a widow listed on a Kentucky tax > list a year or two after her remarriage still listed with her first > married name? > > I have seen it in Pennsylvania tax lists, but also the first entry > made it clear that she was the widow. It's pretty clear this woman > must be the widow (property size and description the same), but I > think she remarried and only her name continuing on the tax list for a > couple of years makes me hesitate. I will be looking to see if the > second husband is being taxed for the land. He lived in the adjoining > county (that's where he is taxed), so it's on a different roll of microfilm. > > Patti > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks to Rondina and Kimberly for sharing! d > On February 24, 2015 at 10:30 AM Thea Baker via > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Found! You nailed it, Kimberly. Thank you for locating what I couldn’t. How > (and why oh why) I overlooked Chapter 1 on Administration makes me wonder. > > And many thanks to all who responded on- and offlist with suggestions and > correct pointers and answers. > > Best, > > Thea > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > I am a genealogist. I collect people. > > Thea Walden Baker, M.A. > Full House Genealogy > Boston University Certificate in Genealogical Research > Member, Association of Professional Genealogists > Co-editor, Arkansas Family Historian, a publication of the Arkansas > Genealogical Society > 501-230-3603 > > > From: Kimberly Powell > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 6:40 PM > To: Thea Baker > Subject: Re: [TGF] $$$Bond for Probate Letters of Administration > > Thea, > > If your question references Arkansas, then you may find the following to be > helpful: > > "Sec. 20. The court of probate, or the clerk thereof in vacation, subject to > the approval or rejection of the court in term time, shall take from the > person to whom letters of administration are granted, with two or more > sufficient securities, residents of the county, to the State of Arkansas, in > such sum as the court or clerk shall deem sufficient, not less than double the > amount of the estimated value of the estate. Ib. sec. 14." > > A Digest of the Statutes of Arkansas...1856, Chapter 4, p. 107 > > https://books.google.com/books?id=r9NHAQAAIAAJ&dq=arkansas%20statutes%20%22letters%20of%20administration%22%20bond%20value%20estate&pg=PR3#v=onepage&q=arkansas%20statutes%20%22letters%20of%20administration%22%20bond%20value%20estate&f=false > > > > This appears to still be in effect in 1883 (Sec. 18) > > https://books.google.com/books?id=c9VHAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA177&dq=arkansas+statutes+%22letters+of+administration%22+bond+value+estate&hl=en&sa=X&ei=3cXrVLrUF4idgwTwtYOwCQ&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=arkansas%20statutes%20%22letters%20of%20administration%22%20bond%20value%20estate&f=false > > > Search Google books for something such as > > arkansas statutes "letters of administration" bond value estate > > > > to find similar references > > > Hope this helps! > > Kimberly Powell > > > > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Thea Baker via > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Harold, > > Thank you for a chance to clarify the information. The re-filed documents were > not changed at all. Seems it was more a matter of procedure that unsettled > cases filed and pending during the Confederacy were declared “null and void” > (per the 1868 report of the settlement of the estate) and had to be re-filed > under the new government. > > I have not actually known where to look for the answer to this. I spent a > significant chunk of time googling various combinations of terms to find a > lead but anything with the word probate in it, even with an 1865 date, returns > hits about how to file modern probates. Arkansas statutes were not digested > until 1884 (see William W. Mansfield. A Digest of the Statutes of Arkansas: > Embracing All Laws of General Nature in Force at the Close of the Session of > the General Assembly of One Thousand Eight Hundred and Eighty-three (n.p.: > Mitchell & Bettis, 1884); available on google books). I have used this source > several times since I discovered it about a year ago. The upshot is that it > often mentions what Act and the date on which statutes were based or revised. > However, I can not find anything that mentions how bonds were set. I looked in > the chapters Courts of Probate; Official Bonds; and Sureties. None of the > other chapter titles seemed relevant and plugging in search terms did not > furnish an answer. > > Best, > > Thea > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist (sm), Certificate 903 Forensic Genealogy Services LLC and Contract Genealogist, US Navy Casualty, POW/MIA Branch Mail address - PO Box 1085, Manvel TX 77578 Telephone/fax 281-595-3090 www.forensicgenealogyservices.com www.facebook.com/forensicgenealogist Certified Genealogist (CG) is a service mark (sm) of the Board for Certification of Genealogists®, conferred to associates who consistently meet ethical and competency standards in accord with peer-reviewed evaluations every five years, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office.

Found! You nailed it, Kimberly. Thank you for locating what I couldn’t. How (and why oh why) I overlooked Chapter 1 on Administration makes me wonder. And many thanks to all who responded on- and offlist with suggestions and correct pointers and answers. Best, Thea ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I am a genealogist. I collect people. Thea Walden Baker, M.A. Full House Genealogy Boston University Certificate in Genealogical Research Member, Association of Professional Genealogists Co-editor, Arkansas Family Historian, a publication of the Arkansas Genealogical Society 501-230-3603 From: Kimberly Powell Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 6:40 PM To: Thea Baker Subject: Re: [TGF] $$$Bond for Probate Letters of Administration Thea, If your question references Arkansas, then you may find the following to be helpful: "Sec. 20. The court of probate, or the clerk thereof in vacation, subject to the approval or rejection of the court in term time, shall take from the person to whom letters of administration are granted, with two or more sufficient securities, residents of the county, to the State of Arkansas, in such sum as the court or clerk shall deem sufficient, not less than double the amount of the estimated value of the estate. Ib. sec. 14." A Digest of the Statutes of Arkansas...1856, Chapter 4, p. 107 https://books.google.com/books?id=r9NHAQAAIAAJ&dq=arkansas%20statutes%20%22letters%20of%20administration%22%20bond%20value%20estate&pg=PR3#v=onepage&q=arkansas%20statutes%20%22letters%20of%20administration%22%20bond%20value%20estate&f=false This appears to still be in effect in 1883 (Sec. 18) https://books.google.com/books?id=c9VHAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA177&dq=arkansas+statutes+%22letters+of+administration%22+bond+value+estate&hl=en&sa=X&ei=3cXrVLrUF4idgwTwtYOwCQ&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=arkansas%20statutes%20%22letters%20of%20administration%22%20bond%20value%20estate&f=false Search Google books for something such as arkansas statutes "letters of administration" bond value estate to find similar references Hope this helps! Kimberly Powell On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Thea Baker via <[email protected]> wrote: Harold, Thank you for a chance to clarify the information. The re-filed documents were not changed at all. Seems it was more a matter of procedure that unsettled cases filed and pending during the Confederacy were declared “null and void” (per the 1868 report of the settlement of the estate) and had to be re-filed under the new government. I have not actually known where to look for the answer to this. I spent a significant chunk of time googling various combinations of terms to find a lead but anything with the word probate in it, even with an 1865 date, returns hits about how to file modern probates. Arkansas statutes were not digested until 1884 (see William W. Mansfield. A Digest of the Statutes of Arkansas: Embracing All Laws of General Nature in Force at the Close of the Session of the General Assembly of One Thousand Eight Hundred and Eighty-three (n.p.: Mitchell & Bettis, 1884); available on google books). I have used this source several times since I discovered it about a year ago. The upshot is that it often mentions what Act and the date on which statutes were based or revised. However, I can not find anything that mentions how bonds were set. I looked in the chapters Courts of Probate; Official Bonds; and Sureties. None of the other chapter titles seemed relevant and plugging in search terms did not furnish an answer. Best, Thea

I just checked the dates more closely. The first list she appears is 1800 (actually I have to go back and look at the 1799 which was too dark to read on a normal microfilm reader -- have to use the newer one which was being used by another library patron) and she didn't marry until December. That explains why she would be on that list with her first married name. The next year's list, she is not taxed for any property as she was in 1800, although her name still appears with her first married name. (assuming my scenario is correct.) As someone wrote to me privately, it's possible that they just copied her name over from the previous list, but one year it is "Nancy" and the other "Ann." And I am assuming they are the same person. There just were not very many people with the particular surname in this county. Patti On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Patricia Hobbs <[email protected]> wrote: > How common do you think it is to find a widow listed on a Kentucky tax > list a year or two after her remarriage still listed with her first married > name? > > I have seen it in Pennsylvania tax lists, but also the first entry made it > clear that she was the widow. It's pretty clear this woman must be the > widow (property size and description the same), but I think she remarried > and only her name continuing on the tax list for a couple of years makes me > hesitate. I will be looking to see if the second husband is being taxed for > the land. He lived in the adjoining county (that's where he is taxed), so > it's on a different roll of microfilm. > > Patti >

How common do you think it is to find a widow listed on a Kentucky tax list a year or two after her remarriage still listed with her first married name? I have seen it in Pennsylvania tax lists, but also the first entry made it clear that she was the widow. It's pretty clear this woman must be the widow (property size and description the same), but I think she remarried and only her name continuing on the tax list for a couple of years makes me hesitate. I will be looking to see if the second husband is being taxed for the land. He lived in the adjoining county (that's where he is taxed), so it's on a different roll of microfilm. Patti

Thea, I agree with Michael in that I have never seen a bond amount specified in a law. Not that there may not be such, just that I have not seen them. The bonds I have seen appeared to be about 2 times the initial value of the estate. It appears to me that many things like this are according to local or accepted custom. For example, in Texas almost every probate court asks for "two disinterested witnesses" to testify about the decedent in an administration. However, there is no state law specifying any number. This is a frequent discussion on a probate attorney list-serve I am allowed to lurk on. None of 2000+ attorneys, judges, or law professors have ever found a statute, or in some research, even written "practices" within courts. It just is. best regards, d -- Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist (sm), Certificate 903 Forensic Genealogy Services LLC and Contract Genealogist, US Navy Casualty, POW/MIA Branch Mail address - PO Box 1085, Manvel TX 77578 Telephone/fax 281-595-3090 www.forensicgenealogyservices.com www.facebook.com/forensicgenealogist Certified Genealogist (CG) is a service mark (sm) of the Board for Certification of Genealogists®, conferred to associates who consistently meet ethical and competency standards in accord with peer-reviewed evaluations every five years, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office.