I would suggest using The Next Generation platform on a self-hosted website. You can password-protect the entire site, and invite users to specific lines of ascent or descent. You also wrote: "An ongoing concern is my desire to submit for certification (at some point--kind of a bucket list thing for years now). I don't want that messed up in anyway. But more basely, I find all the for profit sites that generate income from work like all of ours not in alignment with my own personal impetus or comfort level." Out of curiosity, what do you think would "mess up" your application for certification? I would be happy to help with any concerns you have. More information can also be found in the application guide and the judging rubrics, both available free on the BCG website. Michael Hait, CG(sm) [email protected] http://www.haitfamilyresearch.com Author of *Online State Resources for Genealogy* ebook More information at http://haitfamilyresearch.com/onlineStates.htm CG and Certified Genealogist are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic competency evaluation, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office.

Dear Cynthia, Yes, yes, and yes. All of your reasons are reasons why I have not wanted trees in places. I do have a tree on FamilyTree DNA. Although I am now certified, I still hope to write about some of my findings. I use The Next Generation: http://www.tngsitebuilding.com/ You do have to install it on server and so have to have webhosting which will cost you in annual charges. I have a public site which I don't update and a private site which I do. I usually direct DNA matches to my public tree, but occasionally give login information to the private site. Patti On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 12:56 AM, Cynthia Swope via < [email protected]> wrote: > Recently I was gifted and so joined 23andMe (DNA assay). At the time I > joined I provided a 'tree' from about four generations above me--that I > purposefully made bare bones despite it being limited to the purveyor of > the assay, sensitive to having felt 'robbed' in the past ( I think most > of us might recount some similar lament) . Almost immediately after, I > was advised by the company my tree was being transferred to > Myheritage.com. It was seamless, basically, easy. But it was also not > something I really wanted. In addition, to take advantage of that site > in a real way, it's evident one must pay, despite 'publishing' a tree > there (and those hard won 'trees' are really the reason consumers are > interested in the product, albeit by offering a lot of bells and > whistles to allow easy recognition by others interested in your work > that it exists) . With that understanding gained in short order, I > dismantled the tree the best I could (they don't make that easy). > > Now I am in search of a platform in which to place my research which is > entirely invite only---I am uninterested in 'publishing' work without > control of who and to what purpose it is used. Specifically I would like > to be able to invite people not to the 'whole' thing, but to the > portion/s that I suspect yielding our common ancestors. I wonder if the > only way to do that is to make multiple trees. That seems cumbersome. I > suppose though it might be an alternative---were I to find the platform > I'm comfortable with utilizing. > > An ongoing concern is my desire to submit for certification (at some > point--kind of a bucket list thing for years now). I don't want that > messed up in anyway. But more basely, I find all the for profit sites > that generate income from work like all of ours not in alignment with my > own personal impetus or comfort level. > > At http://genealogy.about.com/od/publishing/tp/web_sites.htm there is a > review of some websites. None of them appeal except perhaps TribalPages > (http://www.tribalpages.com/about.html). Does anyone share this concern, > or the experience of DNA driven genealogical study with its immediate > need to see what others have researched that has any suggestions, > alternatives, ideas for me and / or any specific comments about > TribalPages? Or some other platform or suggestion which has not occurred > to me? > > Thanks in advance, > Cynthia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have used, in part, Google Translate.  It is good for French.  Don't know about Swedish, but you might want to give it a try. Also, you may want to look at FamilySearch.org.  They have word lists to help people translate.  They might have Swedish. Just a couple of thoughts. Good luck Cheryl ProctorSouthern Indiana On Thursday, April 30, 2015 11:25 PM, M. A. Beldin via <[email protected]> wrote: I am looking for someone to translate some very short Swedish documents. If you do Swedish translations, would you kindly contact me off list. Thank you, Margie in Washington State ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Recently I was gifted and so joined 23andMe (DNA assay). At the time I joined I provided a 'tree' from about four generations above me--that I purposefully made bare bones despite it being limited to the purveyor of the assay, sensitive to having felt 'robbed' in the past ( I think most of us might recount some similar lament) . Almost immediately after, I was advised by the company my tree was being transferred to Myheritage.com. It was seamless, basically, easy. But it was also not something I really wanted. In addition, to take advantage of that site in a real way, it's evident one must pay, despite 'publishing' a tree there (and those hard won 'trees' are really the reason consumers are interested in the product, albeit by offering a lot of bells and whistles to allow easy recognition by others interested in your work that it exists) . With that understanding gained in short order, I dismantled the tree the best I could (they don't make that easy). Now I am in search of a platform in which to place my research which is entirely invite only---I am uninterested in 'publishing' work without control of who and to what purpose it is used. Specifically I would like to be able to invite people not to the 'whole' thing, but to the portion/s that I suspect yielding our common ancestors. I wonder if the only way to do that is to make multiple trees. That seems cumbersome. I suppose though it might be an alternative---were I to find the platform I'm comfortable with utilizing. An ongoing concern is my desire to submit for certification (at some point--kind of a bucket list thing for years now). I don't want that messed up in anyway. But more basely, I find all the for profit sites that generate income from work like all of ours not in alignment with my own personal impetus or comfort level. At http://genealogy.about.com/od/publishing/tp/web_sites.htm there is a review of some websites. None of them appeal except perhaps TribalPages (http://www.tribalpages.com/about.html). Does anyone share this concern, or the experience of DNA driven genealogical study with its immediate need to see what others have researched that has any suggestions, alternatives, ideas for me and / or any specific comments about TribalPages? Or some other platform or suggestion which has not occurred to me? Thanks in advance, Cynthia

I am looking for someone to translate some very short Swedish documents. If you do Swedish translations, would you kindly contact me off list. Thank you, Margie in Washington State

Anyone able to visit an Ohio Vital Statistics office Monday to pick up a 1921 birth certificate? If so, please email privately. best regards, Dee -- Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist (sm), Certificate 903 Forensic Genealogy Services LLC and Contract Genealogist, US Navy Casualty, POW/MIA Branch Mail address - PO Box 1085, Manvel TX 77578 Telephone/fax 281-595-3090 www.forensicgenealogyservices.com www.facebook.com/forensicgenealogist Certified Genealogist (CG) is a service mark (sm) of the Board for Certification of Genealogists®, conferred to associates who consistently meet ethical and competency standards in accord with peer-reviewed evaluations every five years, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office.

Evening all, I'm looking for some assistance ASAP in looking through the indexes of civil cases in Kingston, NY for a 25-year time period at the Ulster County Clerk's Office. Hoping it will only take an hour or two. If you might be be able to help me out in the next few days, please let me know off-list. Thanks! Rich -- Rich Venezia 908.392.1826 [email protected] Rich Roots Genealogy http://www.richroots.net/ https://www.facebook.com/richrootsgenealogy

There are two possible county record series that might hold a record of the marriage: Montgomery County Marriage License Applications, MSA T944 (http://guide.mdsa.net/series.cfm?action=viewSeries&ID=T944) Montgomery County Marriage Returns, MSA T943 (http://guide.mdsa.net/series.cfm?action=viewSeries&ID=T943) If the marriage was solemnized in Maryland, there should also be a certificate. These were created statewide and microfilmed in order by female maiden name (Soundex): Department of Health, Bureau of Vital Statistics (Marriage Certificates, Counties, Female), MSA SM184 (http://guide.mdsa.net/series.cfm?action=viewSeries&ID=SM184) There is also an index by the male's name (Soundex): Department of Health, Bureau of Vital Statistics (Marriage, Male Index), MSA S1498 (http://guide.mdsa.net/series.cfm?action=viewSeries&ID=S1498) The Maryland State Archives usually details which record series was searched. Was it one (or more) of these? If it cannot be located, you should also consider the possibility that the marriage occurred in the District of Columbia. Michael Hait, CG(sm) [email protected] http://www.haitfamilyresearch.com Author of *Online State Resources for Genealogy* ebook More information at http://haitfamilyresearch.com/onlineStates.htm CG and Certified Genealogist are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic competency evaluation, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office. -----Original Message----- From: Shannon Green via Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 12:59 PM To: Transition genealogists Subject: [TGF] Rockville, Montgomery County, Maryland Marriage Record Look Up I am looking for a researcher familiar with marriage records for Rockville, Montgomery, Maryland for the 1922-1923 timeframe. I contacted the Maryland State Archives and they tell me there is no record for the marriage. I think it might have been overlooked as I don't like to take no for an answer :) If this is something you are familiar with, please contact me off-list at [email protected] and let me know your document retrieval rates. Thank you. Shannon Green Sent from my iPad ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am looking for a researcher familiar with marriage records for Rockville, Montgomery, Maryland for the 1922-1923 timeframe. I contacted the Maryland State Archives and they tell me there is no record for the marriage. I think it might have been overlooked as I don't like to take no for an answer :) If this is something you are familiar with, please contact me off-list at [email protected] and let me know your document retrieval rates. Thank you. Shannon Green Sent from my iPad

TheMinnesota Genealogical Society (MGS) reminds you proposals for lectures and workshops for the 2015 North Star Family History Conference (September 25-6) are due April 30.The full RFP is found at http://www.mngs.org/upload/menu/NorthStar2015CallforPapers.docx. Theconference will feature keynote presentations by David Rencher, CG, AG, FUGA,Chief Genealogical Officer of FamilySearch, plus 12–16 breakout sessions led byother speakers. Because MGS can offer only a modest honorarium and no assistance with travel expenses, this call willbe most attractive to genealogy educators in the Upper Midwest, but MGSwelcomes proposals from any genealogists who would like to join us at abeautiful time of year in Minnesota. You won't make money, but you will make friends. Please feel free to forward this email to other individuals or groups you think might have an interest. J. H. ("Jay") Fonkert, CG Roseville, MN 55113 651-735-8630 [email protected] "CG" & "Certified Genealogist" are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, and are used by authorized associates following periodic, peer-reviewed competency evaluations. Certificate No. 965, issued 11 May 2012, expires 11 May 2017.

The Council for the Advancement of Forensic Genealogy is pleased to announce that the latest edition of their newsletter, "Forensic Genealogy News" is now available for viewing on their website at the following link: http://www.forensicgenealogists.org/resources/newsletter/ Highlights in this issue include: - New Forensic Credential Announced at FGI 2015 - Reviews of both the Master Practicum and the DNA and Unknown Parentage Courses at FGI - Membership Discount extended until April 30th for all FGI attendees Bethany Waterbury Next of Kin Research Editor of CAFG's "Forensic Genealogy News"

Congratulations Wanda Sent from my iPad > On Apr 14, 2015, at 7:06 AM, Juli Whittaker via <[email protected]> wrote: > > Council for the Advancement of ForensicGenealogy > > Plano, Texas > > > > Forimmediate release > > > > ForensicGenealogistCredentialed (FGCSM) awarded toWanda I. Smith > > The Council for the Advancement of Forensic Genealogy(CAFG) is pleased to award the ForensicGenealogistCredentialedSM(FGCSM) designation to the following individual: > > > > Wanda I. Smith, FGCSM, of Plano, Texas. Mrs. Smith is a VPof the Land Department of Chestnut Exploration and Exploration, Inc., where alarge part of her job involves solving chain-of-title issues, deed platting,and finding lost and missing mineral heirs. She is also an attorney and the owner of Wanda Smith Law, PLLC, and aprofessional genealogist and owner of Professional Ancestry Research, LLC. She is a magnacum laude graduate of Texas Womans University, and holds an M.A. inPolitical Science from the Univeristy of Arkansas and a J.D. from theUniversity of Arkansas School of Law, at Fayetteville. She is licensed to practice law in bothArkansas and Texas. > > > > Among manyother genealogical courses, Ms. Smith has attended CAFG’s Forensic GenealogyInstitute annually since its first year and completed Boston University’sCertificate in Genealogical Research with a grade of A. She serves on the Board of the Council forthe Advancement of Forensic Genealogy and the Collin County GenealogicalSociety and is a member of APG. She alsoperforms pro bono legal work for theDallas Attorney Volunteer Program and Legal Aid of NorthWest Texas as well asserving as President of her Sunday school class at Christ United MethodistChurch in Plano. She is a member of theState Bar of Texas, the Dallas Bar Association, and the Texas Center for LegalEthics as well as many other professional organizations. > > > > To learn moreabout CAFG and certification, see the society’s website at www.forensicgenealogists.org. > > > > > > > > | > > > > | > Contact person: Juli Whittaker > > > Company name: Council for the Advancement of Forensic Genealogy > > Email address: [email protected] > > > > Website address: http://www.forensicgenealogists.org > > | > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Council for the Advancement of ForensicGenealogy Plano, Texas   Forimmediate release   ForensicGenealogistCredentialed (FGCSM) awarded toWanda I. Smith The Council for the Advancement of Forensic Genealogy(CAFG) is pleased to award the ForensicGenealogistCredentialedSM(FGCSM) designation to the following individual:   Wanda I. Smith, FGCSM, of Plano, Texas. Mrs. Smith is a VPof the Land Department of Chestnut Exploration and Exploration, Inc., where alarge part of her job involves solving chain-of-title issues, deed platting,and finding lost and missing mineral heirs. She is also an attorney and the owner of Wanda Smith Law, PLLC, and aprofessional genealogist and owner of Professional Ancestry Research, LLC.  She is a magnacum laude graduate of Texas Womans University, and holds an M.A. inPolitical Science from the Univeristy of Arkansas and a J.D. from theUniversity of Arkansas School of Law, at Fayetteville.  She is licensed to practice law in bothArkansas and Texas.    Among manyother genealogical courses, Ms. Smith has attended CAFG’s Forensic GenealogyInstitute annually since its first year and completed Boston University’sCertificate in Genealogical Research with a grade of A.  She serves on the Board of the Council forthe Advancement of Forensic Genealogy and the Collin County GenealogicalSociety and is a member of APG.  She alsoperforms pro bono legal work for theDallas Attorney Volunteer Program and Legal Aid of NorthWest Texas as well asserving as President of her Sunday school class at Christ United MethodistChurch in Plano.  She is a member of theState Bar of Texas, the Dallas Bar Association, and the Texas Center for LegalEthics as well as many other professional organizations.   To learn moreabout CAFG and certification, see the society’s website at www.forensicgenealogists.org.   |   | Contact person: Juli Whittaker Company name: Council for the Advancement of Forensic Genealogy Email address: [email protected]   Website address: http://www.forensicgenealogists.org |  

Council for the Advancement of ForensicGenealogy Plano, Texas   Forimmediate release   ForensicGenealogistCredentialed (FGCSM) awarded toLeslie Brinkley Lawson The Council for the Advancement of Forensic Genealogy(CAFG) is pleased to award the ForensicGenealogistCredentialedSM(FGCSM) designation to the following individual:   Leslie Brinkley Lawson, FGCSM, of Aloha, Oregon. Leslie BrinkleyLawson, a professional genealogist, owns Lawson Research Services, LLC.    LeslieBrinkley Lawson has most recently completed the CAFG Forensic Institute in2012, 2013, 2014, 2015; ProGen Study Group 4; SLIG, Advance Evidence AnalysisPracticum.  She is the current presidentof the Council for the Advancement of Forensic Genealogy; President of theOregon Chapter of APG.  She alsovolunteers for the Genealogical Forum of Oregon on the Education Committee.   To learn moreabout CAFG and certification, see the society’s website at www.forensicgenealogists.org.   |   | Contact person: Juli Whittaker Company name: Council for the Advancement of Forensic Genealogy Email address: [email protected]   Website address: http://www.forensicgenealogists.org |  

CONGRATS to Wanda! Erica Erica Dakin Voolich •Genealogist, check out my genealogy blogs http://genea-adventures.blogspot.com http://ursulawright.blogspot.com http://geneabloggers.com/introduce-erica-dakin-voolich/ •Secretary, Middlesex Chapter, Massachusetts Society of Genealogists •Mathematics Tutor (grades 4 - algebra2, geometry) •President Somerville Mathematics Fund Chapter, Winner of the 2011, New England Chapter of the Year Award Chapter, Winner of the 2003-2004 *Golden Tassel* Service Award We celebrate and encourage mathematics achievement in Somerville MA! http://www.somervillemathematicsfund.org Become a fan on our Facebook page: Facebook | Somerville Mathematics Fund Check out my blog: http://somervillemathematics.blogspot.com/ On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Juli Whittaker via < [email protected]> wrote: > Council for the Advancement of ForensicGenealogy > > Plano, Texas > > > > Forimmediate release > > > > ForensicGenealogistCredentialed (FGCSM) awarded toWanda I. Smith > > The Council for the Advancement of Forensic Genealogy(CAFG) is pleased to > award the ForensicGenealogistCredentialedSM(FGCSM) designation to the > following individual: > > > > Wanda I. Smith, FGCSM, of Plano, Texas. Mrs. Smith is a VPof the Land > Department of Chestnut Exploration and Exploration, Inc., where alarge part > of her job involves solving chain-of-title issues, deed platting,and > finding lost and missing mineral heirs. She is also an attorney and the > owner of Wanda Smith Law, PLLC, and aprofessional genealogist and owner of > Professional Ancestry Research, LLC. She is a magnacum laude graduate of > Texas Womans University, and holds an M.A. inPolitical Science from the > Univeristy of Arkansas and a J.D. from theUniversity of Arkansas School of > Law, at Fayetteville. She is licensed to practice law in bothArkansas and > Texas. > > > > Among manyother genealogical courses, Ms. Smith has attended CAFG’s > Forensic GenealogyInstitute annually since its first year and completed > Boston University’sCertificate in Genealogical Research with a grade of A. > She serves on the Board of the Council forthe Advancement of Forensic > Genealogy and the Collin County GenealogicalSociety and is a member of > APG. She alsoperforms pro bono legal work for theDallas Attorney Volunteer > Program and Legal Aid of NorthWest Texas as well asserving as President of > her Sunday school class at Christ United MethodistChurch in Plano. She is > a member of theState Bar of Texas, the Dallas Bar Association, and the > Texas Center for LegalEthics as well as many other professional > organizations. > > > > To learn moreabout CAFG and certification, see the society’s website at > www.forensicgenealogists.org. > > > > > > > > | > > > > | > Contact person: Juli Whittaker > > > Company name: Council for the Advancement of Forensic Genealogy > > Email address: [email protected] > > > > Website address: http://www.forensicgenealogists.org > > | > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

CONGRATS to Leslie! Erica Erica Dakin Voolich •Genealogist, check out my genealogy blogs http://genea-adventures.blogspot.com http://ursulawright.blogspot.com http://geneabloggers.com/introduce-erica-dakin-voolich/ •Secretary, Middlesex Chapter, Massachusetts Society of Genealogists •Mathematics Tutor (grades 4 - algebra2, geometry) •President Somerville Mathematics Fund Chapter, Winner of the 2011, New England Chapter of the Year Award Chapter, Winner of the 2003-2004 *Golden Tassel* Service Award We celebrate and encourage mathematics achievement in Somerville MA! http://www.somervillemathematicsfund.org Become a fan on our Facebook page: Facebook | Somerville Mathematics Fund Check out my blog: http://somervillemathematics.blogspot.com/ On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Juli Whittaker via < [email protected]> wrote: > Council for the Advancement of ForensicGenealogy > > Plano, Texas > > > > Forimmediate release > > > > ForensicGenealogistCredentialed (FGCSM) awarded toLeslie Brinkley Lawson > > The Council for the Advancement of Forensic Genealogy(CAFG) is pleased to > award the ForensicGenealogistCredentialedSM(FGCSM) designation to the > following individual: > > > > Leslie Brinkley Lawson, FGCSM, of Aloha, Oregon. Leslie BrinkleyLawson, a > professional genealogist, owns Lawson Research Services, LLC. > > > > LeslieBrinkley Lawson has most recently completed the CAFG Forensic > Institute in2012, 2013, 2014, 2015; ProGen Study Group 4; SLIG, Advance > Evidence AnalysisPracticum. She is the current presidentof the Council for > the Advancement of Forensic Genealogy; President of theOregon Chapter of > APG. She alsovolunteers for the Genealogical Forum of Oregon on the > Education Committee. > > > > To learn moreabout CAFG and certification, see the society’s website at > www.forensicgenealogists.org. > > > > > > > > | > > > > | > Contact person: Juli Whittaker > > > Company name: Council for the Advancement of Forensic Genealogy > > Email address: [email protected] > > > > Website address: http://www.forensicgenealogists.org > > | > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you all for your thoughtful replies. I've taken your suggestions and am hunkering down again! Cynthia On 4/12/15 9:33 PM, Michael Hait wrote: > I completely agree with Harold. There is never a good reason to do > what you are trying to do. The fact that it can't be done in any way > that won't cause horrible confusion should serve as a bright, flashing > red flag that it shouldn't be done. For issues like this one, I always > refer to the Chicago Manual of Style for guidance. > > You haven't given us much in the way of specifics to work with, so I > will respond with a general note. It seems that you are fighting > against your own instincts here. You want to keep certain points > succinct, yet you know they really require more detailed discussion. > Can you find a happy median? Perhaps some of the "more detailed" > discussion is really unnecessary, but the necessary parts can be > incorporated into the text or the existing source notes as brief > notations. > > "Dense" writing can often be simplified, without losing meaning or > readability, through skillful re-writing and editing. > > Good luck, > > Michael Hait, CG(sm) > [email protected] > http://www.haitfamilyresearch.com > Author of *Online State Resources for Genealogy* ebook > More information at http://haitfamilyresearch.com/onlineStates.htm > > CG and Certified Genealogist are service marks of the Board for > Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board > certificants after periodic competency evaluation, and the board name > is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office. > -----Original Message----- From: Harold Henderson via > Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 7:12 PM > To: Cynthia Swope > Cc: Transitional Genealogists Forum Mailing List > Subject: Re: [TGF] Footnote citation form trouble > > Cynthia -- > > Very quickly as I'm about to be summoned away . . . > > Don't even think about having two different sets of notes and some of the > notes having notes. If you need extra material, and you're dead-set > against > having it in the text (where I would recommend), then make it a sidebar > with its own notes or its own in-text references to other relevant > footnotes. > > Harold > > Harold Henderson, CG midwestroots.net > > *Finding Ancestors in Fort Wayne: The Genealogist's Unofficial One-Stop > Guide to the Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center * > http://www.midwestroots.net/ > <http://www.midwestroots.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/ACPLGC-April-2013.pdf> > > > Certified Genealogist (SM) No. 1029 > Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks > of the Board for Certification of Genealogists® used by the > Board to identify its program of genealogical competency evaluation > and used under license by the Board’s associates. > > > > On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 5:53 PM, Cynthia Swope via < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> I'm confused about how best to do this. >> I am writing a paper that includes a couple footnotes to explain in more >> detail some of the relevant points I wish to keep succinct in the main >> body of text. >> These footnotes are in italics on the same page and above the list of >> "sources" for the page. >> >> I have a situation where one of the longer footnotes which goes from a >> page into the next, and which fluidly refers to the main body of text >> also going from that one page to the next. Again, the main text appears >> in regular font style, the footnote in italic (redundant statement but >> made for clarity) on both pages. >> >> So, I have sources for the footnote and the main text as well on one >> page and can't really make it work for the footnote narrative to end >> saying "See [full citation source 1]; [full citation source 2]; [full >> citation source 3]" as there are specific points I'm trying to source >> at the point they are needed. >> SO, what I have is a situation where in main body I'm inserting 1, 2, 3 >> etc. for citations added at bottom of page, but I also have citations 1 >> 2, 3 for the footnote. >> >> Since depending on which you are reading, main body or footnote, the >> citations can't be clear unless I separate them in some way, I'm >> thinking I should give the footnote it's own list under it's italicized >> text. >> If that is kosher, should I have 'sources' written and then list the >> citations for the footnote just below the footnote? If I should do that >> should I call them A B C instead of 1, 2, 3 maybe? >> Right below them will be another 'sources' written out, with a list of >> the sources 1, 2, 3 etc for the main body. >> >> I hope I'm being clear here, and will appreciate any feedback. It's >> driving me crazy! I really don't know how to handle this. >> >> Cynthia >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message

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I completely agree with Harold. There is never a good reason to do what you are trying to do. The fact that it can't be done in any way that won't cause horrible confusion should serve as a bright, flashing red flag that it shouldn't be done. For issues like this one, I always refer to the Chicago Manual of Style for guidance. You haven't given us much in the way of specifics to work with, so I will respond with a general note. It seems that you are fighting against your own instincts here. You want to keep certain points succinct, yet you know they really require more detailed discussion. Can you find a happy median? Perhaps some of the "more detailed" discussion is really unnecessary, but the necessary parts can be incorporated into the text or the existing source notes as brief notations. "Dense" writing can often be simplified, without losing meaning or readability, through skillful re-writing and editing. Good luck, Michael Hait, CG(sm) [email protected] http://www.haitfamilyresearch.com Author of *Online State Resources for Genealogy* ebook More information at http://haitfamilyresearch.com/onlineStates.htm CG and Certified Genealogist are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic competency evaluation, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office. -----Original Message----- From: Harold Henderson via Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 7:12 PM To: Cynthia Swope Cc: Transitional Genealogists Forum Mailing List Subject: Re: [TGF] Footnote citation form trouble Cynthia -- Very quickly as I'm about to be summoned away . . . Don't even think about having two different sets of notes and some of the notes having notes. If you need extra material, and you're dead-set against having it in the text (where I would recommend), then make it a sidebar with its own notes or its own in-text references to other relevant footnotes. Harold Harold Henderson, CG midwestroots.net *Finding Ancestors in Fort Wayne: The Genealogist's Unofficial One-Stop Guide to the Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center * http://www.midwestroots.net/ <http://www.midwestroots.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/ACPLGC-April-2013.pdf> Certified Genealogist (SM) No. 1029 Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists® used by the Board to identify its program of genealogical competency evaluation and used under license by the Board’s associates. On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 5:53 PM, Cynthia Swope via < [email protected]> wrote: > I'm confused about how best to do this. > I am writing a paper that includes a couple footnotes to explain in more > detail some of the relevant points I wish to keep succinct in the main > body of text. > These footnotes are in italics on the same page and above the list of > "sources" for the page. > > I have a situation where one of the longer footnotes which goes from a > page into the next, and which fluidly refers to the main body of text > also going from that one page to the next. Again, the main text appears > in regular font style, the footnote in italic (redundant statement but > made for clarity) on both pages. > > So, I have sources for the footnote and the main text as well on one > page and can't really make it work for the footnote narrative to end > saying "See [full citation source 1]; [full citation source 2]; [full > citation source 3]" as there are specific points I'm trying to source > at the point they are needed. > SO, what I have is a situation where in main body I'm inserting 1, 2, 3 > etc. for citations added at bottom of page, but I also have citations 1 > 2, 3 for the footnote. > > Since depending on which you are reading, main body or footnote, the > citations can't be clear unless I separate them in some way, I'm > thinking I should give the footnote it's own list under it's italicized > text. > If that is kosher, should I have 'sources' written and then list the > citations for the footnote just below the footnote? If I should do that > should I call them A B C instead of 1, 2, 3 maybe? > Right below them will be another 'sources' written out, with a list of > the sources 1, 2, 3 etc for the main body. > > I hope I'm being clear here, and will appreciate any feedback. It's > driving me crazy! I really don't know how to handle this. > > Cynthia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

then make it a sidebar > with its own notes or its own in-text references to other relevant > footnotes. Or what about an appendix? I've done that once. Your footnote can refer to the appendix. Patti On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 6:12 PM, Harold Henderson via < [email protected]> wrote: > Cynthia -- > > Very quickly as I'm about to be summoned away . . . > > Don't even think about having two different sets of notes and some of the > notes having notes. If you need extra material, and you're dead-set against > having it in the text (where I would recommend), then make it a sidebar > with its own notes or its own in-text references to other relevant > footnotes. > > Harold > > Harold Henderson, CG midwestroots.net > > *Finding Ancestors in Fort Wayne: The Genealogist's Unofficial One-Stop > Guide to the Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center * > http://www.midwestroots.net/ > < > http://www.midwestroots.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/ACPLGC-April-2013.pdf > > > > Certified Genealogist (SM) No. 1029 > Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks > of the Board for Certification of Genealogists® used by the > Board to identify its program of genealogical competency evaluation > and used under license by the Board’s associates. > > > > On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 5:53 PM, Cynthia Swope via < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > I'm confused about how best to do this. > > I am writing a paper that includes a couple footnotes to explain in more > > detail some of the relevant points I wish to keep succinct in the main > > body of text. > > These footnotes are in italics on the same page and above the list of > > "sources" for the page. > > > > I have a situation where one of the longer footnotes which goes from a > > page into the next, and which fluidly refers to the main body of text > > also going from that one page to the next. Again, the main text appears > > in regular font style, the footnote in italic (redundant statement but > > made for clarity) on both pages. > > > > So, I have sources for the footnote and the main text as well on one > > page and can't really make it work for the footnote narrative to end > > saying "See [full citation source 1]; [full citation source 2]; [full > > citation source 3]" as there are specific points I'm trying to source > > at the point they are needed. > > SO, what I have is a situation where in main body I'm inserting 1, 2, 3 > > etc. for citations added at bottom of page, but I also have citations 1 > > 2, 3 for the footnote. > > > > Since depending on which you are reading, main body or footnote, the > > citations can't be clear unless I separate them in some way, I'm > > thinking I should give the footnote it's own list under it's italicized > > text. > > If that is kosher, should I have 'sources' written and then list the > > citations for the footnote just below the footnote? If I should do that > > should I call them A B C instead of 1, 2, 3 maybe? > > Right below them will be another 'sources' written out, with a list of > > the sources 1, 2, 3 etc for the main body. > > > > I hope I'm being clear here, and will appreciate any feedback. It's > > driving me crazy! I really don't know how to handle this. > > > > Cynthia > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >