Hi all, I'm posing this question mostly out of curiosity. I'm reviewing course work for an advanced genealogy program, and the instructor insists that surnames be capitalized - a practice I have not seen done recently and had been told was outdated. Is the course work simply outdated or is it a regionalism? The course is based outside of the United States. -Bryna O'Sullivan

Donn, I have used scanned copies of unpublished manuscripts from the FHL through links on *FamilySearch*. In the front, there is a letter of permission by the author (normally the copyright holder) that allows the library permission to use the copy. This does not make the FHL the "publisher" per se, but the avenue to the copyrighted work. Unless the rules have changed, with proper permission, submissions that are sent using PDF files with the author's (or copyright holder's) permission can be placed online and linked to search results. When I have spoken with them, they inferred that the PDF format was preferable. The current link to donating material is: https://familysearch.org/sites/default/uploads/Donations-Guidelines-REVISION-12-July-2012.pdf Rondina _______________________ Rondina P. Muncy Ancestral Analysis 4008 Linden Avenue Fort Worth, Texas 76107 682.224.6584 [email protected] www.ancestralanalysis.com On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 11:29 PM, DonnDevine via < [email protected]> wrote: > My understanding is that the Family History Library (FamilySearch) does not > publish unpublished manuscripts. Its microfilms or scanned images are > library reference copies, for use only by library patrons. > > The author retains all other rights to the unpublished manuscript, which > remains unpublished unless the author otherwise publishes it in print or > online. > > Donn > > > Donn Devine, CG, FNGS > Consultant, Documentary and Genetic Genealogy > > CG and Certified Genealogist are proprietary service marks of the Board > for Certification of Genealogy, used under license by its certificants > after > periodic review of their genealogical competence, and the Board name is > registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. > > >

My understanding is that the Family History Library (FamilySearch) does not publish unpublished manuscripts. Its microfilms or scanned images are library reference copies, for use only by library patrons. The author retains all other rights to the unpublished manuscript, which remains unpublished unless the author otherwise publishes it in print or online. Donn Donn Devine, CG, FNGS Consultant, Documentary and Genetic Genealogy CG and Certified Genealogist are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogy, used under license by its certificants after periodic review of their genealogical competence, and the Board name is registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. In a message dated 5/2/2015 5:09:04 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 20:03:50 -0700 From: Melinda Henningfield <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [TGF] Disseminating information online To: Rondina Muncy <[email protected]> Cc: TGF List <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]om> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 That is a great idea, Rondina. I have heard of the Family History Library publishing unpublished reports, case studies, and family histories, but I have not pursued it. Melinda -- Melinda Henningfield, CG(SM) Ashland, Oregon *CG or Certified Genealogist are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by Board-certified genealogists after periodic competency evaluation, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office.* ------------------------------

Thank you to all who responded to my questions, enlightened as to my concerns re: certification, pointed me in a good direction for the problem of mounting a tree relative to the DNA assay. I hope I have missed no one, as each response was invaluable. Cynthia On 5/1/15 1:56 AM, Cynthia Swope via wrote: > Recently I was gifted and so joined 23andMe (DNA assay). At the time I > joined I provided a 'tree' from about four generations above me--that I > purposefully made bare bones despite it being limited to the purveyor of > the assay, sensitive to having felt 'robbed' in the past ( I think most > of us might recount some similar lament) . Almost immediately after, I > was advised by the company my tree was being transferred to > Myheritage.com. It was seamless, basically, easy. But it was also not > something I really wanted. In addition, to take advantage of that site > in a real way, it's evident one must pay, despite 'publishing' a tree > there (and those hard won 'trees' are really the reason consumers are > interested in the product, albeit by offering a lot of bells and > whistles to allow easy recognition by others interested in your work > that it exists) . With that understanding gained in short order, I > dismantled the tree the best I could (they don't make that easy). > > Now I am in search of a platform in which to place my research which is > entirely invite only---I am uninterested in 'publishing' work without > control of who and to what purpose it is used. Specifically I would like > to be able to invite people not to the 'whole' thing, but to the > portion/s that I suspect yielding our common ancestors. I wonder if the > only way to do that is to make multiple trees. That seems cumbersome. I > suppose though it might be an alternative---were I to find the platform > I'm comfortable with utilizing. > > An ongoing concern is my desire to submit for certification (at some > point--kind of a bucket list thing for years now). I don't want that > messed up in anyway. But more basely, I find all the for profit sites > that generate income from work like all of ours not in alignment with my > own personal impetus or comfort level. > > At http://genealogy.about.com/od/publishing/tp/web_sites.htm there is a > review of some websites. None of them appeal except perhaps TribalPages > (http://www.tribalpages.com/about.html). Does anyone share this concern, > or the experience of DNA driven genealogical study with its immediate > need to see what others have researched that has any suggestions, > alternatives, ideas for me and / or any specific comments about > TribalPages? Or some other platform or suggestion which has not occurred > to me? > > Thanks in advance, > Cynthia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mary, This thought has occurred to me, too. I have others who might want to continue or access the work, but the fact is there are other anonymous persons out there not in my immediate circle who show much more interest! Cynthia On 5/1/15 12:23 PM, Mary Douglass via wrote: > As I have no one to carry on my research, I am posting my documents online at Ancestry.com in a public tree. Cousins have been using my work, without crediting the work to me for years. I don't like it, but I also don't want my life's work to disappear. Just my two cents'. > Mary Clement DouglassTranscribing & publishing Kansas genealogical records > "If you can’t get rid of the skeleton in your closet, you’d best teach it to dance." – George Bernard Shaw > From: Elissa Scalise Powell via <[email protected]> > To: 'TGF' <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 9:09 AM > Subject: [TGF] Disseminating information online > > Yes, I understand that point also. Many genealogists don’t want their work in original records “cherry picked” by others. I have had that believe for years until very recently when I had two events happen almost the same day. A cousin of some sort wrote to me. He had been present in 1992 at a family reunion of one branch of our tree and had caught up with me again. He said that he was entering the book I did for the reunion into FamilySearch and did I have any more. That of course miffed me a little. > > > > Second occurrence was when I Googled a couple of family names in combination and came up with an entry in WikiTree that pointed to its source of a 1908 printed family history book (also digitized and online). That one entry broke a 10 year old brick wall for me that no original records were yielding. > > > > So to give or not to give is the question. Whether it is nobler to keep the data to oneself and perfect it as many of us are wont to do, or to disseminate it for the world to do with what they will. That is the question. > > > > -- Elissa > > > > Elissa Scalise Powell, CG , CGL > > www.PowellGenealogy.com <http://www.powellgenealogy.com/> > > www.GRIPitt.org <http://www.gripitt.org/> 28 June-3 July 2015 and 19-24 July 2015 in Pittsburgh, PA > > CG, Certified Genealogist, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic evaluations. The board name is a trademark registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. > > > > From: Patricia Hobbs [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 9:50 AM > Subject: Re: [TGF] DNA research / Private site for tree sharing/ certification as sideline > > > > I understand her point of view though -- if we have discovered things in our research towards certification (which we likely will), we'd much rather people not be disseminating it across the internet before we present it. > > > > Patti > > > > On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Elissa Scalise Powell via <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: > > Cynthia, > It is a common misperception that a published family tree will "mess up" an > application for certification because of the rule that any portfolio > requirement cannot be reviewed or critiqued by someone else. What is meant > here is the actual portfolio requirement, not pieces of data that are used > for the case study or kinship determination project. BCG recognizes that our > research is collaborative but that what you submit to BCG must be your own > analysis, conclusions, and writing. > > Hope that helps, > Elissa > > Elissa Scalise Powell, CG , CGL > www.PowellGenealogy.com <http://www.PowellGenealogy.com> > www.GRIPitt.org <http://www.GRIPitt.org> 28 June-3 July 2015 and 19-24 July 2015 in Pittsburgh, PA > CG, Certified Genealogist, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are > service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under > license by board certificants after periodic evaluations. The board name is > a trademark registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. > > -----Original Message----- > From: On Behalf Of Cynthia Swope via > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 1:57 AM > > An ongoing concern is my desire to submit for certification (at some > point--kind of a bucket list thing for years now). I don't want that messed > up in anyway. But more basely, I find all the for profit sites that generate > income from work like all of ours not in alignment with my own personal > impetus or comfort level. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear List Members, Several people have contacted me to help with my needed translations. Thanks to them and all of you who gave suggestions on how to accomplish this task myself. Margie Beldin Washington State

Last I checked, the Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center in Fort Wayne has a similar "photocopy exchange program" in which they will bind 2 copies of your submission and send one back to you: http://www.genealogycenter.org/Donate.aspx Harold Harold Henderson, CG midwestroots.net *Finding Ancestors in Fort Wayne: The Genealogist's Unofficial One-Stop Guide to the Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center * http://www.midwestroots.net/ <http://www.midwestroots.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/ACPLGC-April-2013.pdf> Certified Genealogist (SM) No. 1029 Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists® used by the Board to identify its program of genealogical competency evaluation and used under license by the Board’s associates. On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 10:03 PM, Melinda Henningfield via < [email protected]> wrote: > That is a great idea, Rondina. I have heard of the Family History Library > publishing unpublished reports, case studies, and family histories, but I > have not pursued it. > > Melinda > -- > Melinda Henningfield, CG(SM) > Ashland, Oregon > > *CG or Certified Genealogist are proprietary service marks of the Board for > Certification of Genealogists, used under license by Board-certified > genealogists after periodic competency evaluation, and the board name is > registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office.* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Rondina,Great idea! Cheryl ProctorSouthern Indiana On Friday, May 1, 2015 8:45 PM, Rondina Muncy via <[email protected]> wrote: Melinda, I'm just catching up with this thread, but have you considered donating your reports/case studies/family histories to the FHL in PDF form? As I understand it, they will add your finished product to their collection, just like any other published or unpublished manuscript or book and create the link in the catalog so that it is easily accessible online. Rondina _______________________ Rondina P. Muncy Ancestral Analysis 4008 Linden Avenue Fort Worth, Texas 76107 682.224.6584 [email protected] www.ancestralanalysis.com On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Melinda Henningfield via < [email protected]> wrote: > I am agreeing with Harold. > > I have spent countless hours (and money) re-discovering ancestors that had > been forgotten. If I suddenly died, they would just remain forgotten. All > my work would be for nothing. > > Writing up and publishing the "stories and reasoning that anyone can > enjoy," (from Harold's email above), is the only way to keep those once > forgotten ancestors remembered. > > I even extend this thought process to the much maligned Public Family > Trees. My Public Family Tree is not as well sourced as my written work, but > the framework is there. I want people to use my tree. I do not consider it > "stealing" to use my public tree. Please use, copy, and borrow my public > family tree. > > As I have delved more and more into genetic genealogy (DNA), I have come to > value the Public Family Trees more and more. It is quite a disadvantage to > run into matches that keep their trees private; both for the private tree > owner and the public tree owner. > > Melinda Henningfield > -- > Melinda Henningfield, CG(SM) > Ashland, Oregon > > *CG or Certified Genealogist are proprietary service marks of the Board for > Certification of Genealogists, used under license by Board-certified > genealogists after periodic competency evaluation, and the board name is > registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office.* > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That is a great idea, Rondina. I have heard of the Family History Library publishing unpublished reports, case studies, and family histories, but I have not pursued it. Melinda -- Melinda Henningfield, CG(SM) Ashland, Oregon *CG or Certified Genealogist are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by Board-certified genealogists after periodic competency evaluation, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office.*

Melinda, I'm just catching up with this thread, but have you considered donating your reports/case studies/family histories to the FHL in PDF form? As I understand it, they will add your finished product to their collection, just like any other published or unpublished manuscript or book and create the link in the catalog so that it is easily accessible online. Rondina _______________________ Rondina P. Muncy Ancestral Analysis 4008 Linden Avenue Fort Worth, Texas 76107 682.224.6584 [email protected] www.ancestralanalysis.com On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Melinda Henningfield via < [email protected]> wrote: > I am agreeing with Harold. > > I have spent countless hours (and money) re-discovering ancestors that had > been forgotten. If I suddenly died, they would just remain forgotten. All > my work would be for nothing. > > Writing up and publishing the "stories and reasoning that anyone can > enjoy," (from Harold's email above), is the only way to keep those once > forgotten ancestors remembered. > > I even extend this thought process to the much maligned Public Family > Trees. My Public Family Tree is not as well sourced as my written work, but > the framework is there. I want people to use my tree. I do not consider it > "stealing" to use my public tree. Please use, copy, and borrow my public > family tree. > > As I have delved more and more into genetic genealogy (DNA), I have come to > value the Public Family Trees more and more. It is quite a disadvantage to > run into matches that keep their trees private; both for the private tree > owner and the public tree owner. > > Melinda Henningfield > -- > Melinda Henningfield, CG(SM) > Ashland, Oregon > > *CG or Certified Genealogist are proprietary service marks of the Board for > Certification of Genealogists, used under license by Board-certified > genealogists after periodic competency evaluation, and the board name is > registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office.* > >

As I have no one to carry on my research, I am posting my documents online at Ancestry.com in a public tree. Cousins have been using my work, without crediting the work to me for years. I don't like it, but I also don't want my life's work to disappear. Just my two cents'.  Mary Clement DouglassTranscribing & publishing Kansas genealogical records "If you can’t get rid of the skeleton in your closet, you’d best teach it to dance." – George Bernard Shaw From: Elissa Scalise Powell via <[email protected]> To: 'TGF' <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 9:09 AM Subject: [TGF] Disseminating information online Yes, I understand that point also. Many genealogists don’t want their work in original records “cherry picked” by others. I have had that believe for years until very recently when I had two events happen almost the same day. A cousin of some sort wrote to me. He had been present in 1992 at a family reunion of one branch of our tree and had caught up with me again. He said that he was entering the book I did for the reunion into FamilySearch and did I have any more. That of course miffed me a little. Second occurrence was when I Googled a couple of family names in combination and came up with an entry in WikiTree that pointed to its source of a 1908 printed family history book (also digitized and online). That one entry broke a 10 year old brick wall for me that no original records were yielding. So to give or not to give is the question. Whether it is nobler to keep the data to oneself and perfect it as many of us are wont to do, or to disseminate it for the world to do with what they will. That is the question. -- Elissa Elissa Scalise Powell, CG , CGL www.PowellGenealogy.com <http://www.powellgenealogy.com/> www.GRIPitt.org <http://www.gripitt.org/>  28 June-3 July 2015 and 19-24 July 2015 in Pittsburgh, PA CG, Certified Genealogist, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic evaluations. The board name is a trademark registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. From: Patricia Hobbs [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [TGF] DNA research / Private site for tree sharing/ certification as sideline I understand her point of view though -- if we have discovered things in our research towards certification (which we likely will), we'd much rather people not be disseminating it across the internet before we present it. Patti On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Elissa Scalise Powell via <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Cynthia, It is a common misperception that a published family tree will "mess up" an application for certification because of the rule that any portfolio requirement cannot be reviewed or critiqued by someone else. What is meant here is the actual portfolio requirement, not pieces of data that are used for the case study or kinship determination project. BCG recognizes that our research is collaborative but that what you submit to BCG must be your own analysis, conclusions, and writing. Hope that helps, Elissa Elissa Scalise Powell, CG , CGL www.PowellGenealogy.com <http://www.PowellGenealogy.com> www.GRIPitt.org <http://www.GRIPitt.org>  28 June-3 July 2015 and 19-24 July 2015 in Pittsburgh, PA CG, Certified Genealogist, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic evaluations. The board name is a trademark registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. -----Original Message----- From: On Behalf Of Cynthia Swope via Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 1:57 AM An ongoing concern is my desire to submit for certification (at some point--kind of a bucket list thing for years now). I don't want that messed up in anyway. But more basely, I find all the for profit sites that generate income from work like all of ours not in alignment with my own personal impetus or comfort level. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Cynthia and All, The "common misperception that a published family tree will 'mess up' an application for certification because of the rule that any portfolio requirement cannot be reviewed or critiqued by someone else" is borne of a misconception about the nature of the material required in a portfolio. Each module of the portfolio involves a specific kind of work product. It has specific requirements to meet. The portfolio has no requirement called a "family tree." Elizabeth --------------------------------------------- Elizabeth Shown Mills, CG, CGL, FASG BCG trustee & past president www.HistoricPathways.com www.IsleofCanes.com www.EvidenceExplained.com & for everyday tips on records and record usage QuickTips: The Blog at Evidence Explained https://www.evidenceexplained.com/quicktips/ee

I am looking for some to pull three obits for me in Thurston county. If you are able to do this please contact me off list. Regards, Kelvin  Kelvin L. MeyersForensic Genealogist469-964-2151 Office

Harold, I am hopeful that mine won't be lost. I have one son who has already been instructed that he will be the one responsible for hosting my TNG database. And of course I will have him remove the private access if I haven't already by then. On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Harold Henderson via < [email protected]> wrote: > I've said it before, and I'll say it again: the way to preserve our work is > to write it up and publish it -- stories and reasoning that anyone can > enjoy, not databases. In this context I would think the best way to be > credited is the same: write it up and publish it. Every genealogy journal I > know of is anxious, if not desperate, for good material. > > If you keep it all private, thieves won't get at it, but when you're gone > nobody else will either. That strikes me as futile. The point is not to > possess the past. The point is for it to be remembered. > > Harold > > Harold Henderson, CG midwestroots.net > > *Finding Ancestors in Fort Wayne: The Genealogist's Unofficial One-Stop > Guide to the Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center * > http://www.midwestroots.net/ > < > http://www.midwestroots.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/ACPLGC-April-2013.pdf > > > > Certified Genealogist (SM) No. 1029 > Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks > of the Board for Certification of Genealogists® used by the > Board to identify its program of genealogical competency evaluation > and used under license by the Board’s associates. > > > > On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Mary Douglass via < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > As I have no one to carry on my research, I am posting my documents > online > > at Ancestry.com in a public tree. Cousins have been using my work, > without > > crediting the work to me for years. I don't like it, but I also don't > want > > my life's work to disappear. Just my two cents'. > > Mary Clement DouglassTranscribing & publishing Kansas genealogical > records > > "If you can’t get rid of the skeleton in your closet, you’d best teach it > > to dance." – George Bernard Shaw > > From: Elissa Scalise Powell via < > > [email protected]> > > To: 'TGF' <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 9:09 AM > > Subject: [TGF] Disseminating information online > > > > Yes, I understand that point also. Many genealogists don’t want their > work > > in original records “cherry picked” by others. I have had that believe > for > > years until very recently when I had two events happen almost the same > day. > > A cousin of some sort wrote to me. He had been present in 1992 at a > family > > reunion of one branch of our tree and had caught up with me again. He > said > > that he was entering the book I did for the reunion into FamilySearch and > > did I have any more. That of course miffed me a little. > > > > > > > > Second occurrence was when I Googled a couple of family names in > > combination and came up with an entry in WikiTree that pointed to its > > source of a 1908 printed family history book (also digitized and online). > > That one entry broke a 10 year old brick wall for me that no original > > records were yielding. > > > > > > > > So to give or not to give is the question. Whether it is nobler to keep > > the data to oneself and perfect it as many of us are wont to do, or to > > disseminate it for the world to do with what they will. That is the > > question. > > > > > > > > -- Elissa > > > > > > > > Elissa Scalise Powell, CG , CGL > > > > www.PowellGenealogy.com <http://www.powellgenealogy.com/> > > > > www.GRIPitt.org <http://www.gripitt.org/> 28 June-3 July 2015 and 19-24 > > July 2015 in Pittsburgh, PA > > > > CG, Certified Genealogist, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are > > service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under > > license by board certificants after periodic evaluations. The board name > is > > a trademark registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. > > > > > > > > From: Patricia Hobbs [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 9:50 AM > > Subject: Re: [TGF] DNA research / Private site for tree sharing/ > > certification as sideline > > > > > > > > I understand her point of view though -- if we have discovered things in > > our research towards certification (which we likely will), we'd much > rather > > people not be disseminating it across the internet before we present it. > > > > > > > > Patti > > > > > > > > On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Elissa Scalise Powell via < > > [email protected] <mailto: > > [email protected]> > wrote: > > > > Cynthia, > > It is a common misperception that a published family tree will "mess up" > an > > application for certification because of the rule that any portfolio > > requirement cannot be reviewed or critiqued by someone else. What is > meant > > here is the actual portfolio requirement, not pieces of data that are > used > > for the case study or kinship determination project. BCG recognizes that > > our > > research is collaborative but that what you submit to BCG must be your > own > > analysis, conclusions, and writing. > > > > Hope that helps, > > Elissa > > > > Elissa Scalise Powell, CG , CGL > > www.PowellGenealogy.com <http://www.PowellGenealogy.com> > > www.GRIPitt.org <http://www.GRIPitt.org> 28 June-3 July 2015 and 19-24 > > July 2015 in Pittsburgh, PA > > CG, Certified Genealogist, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are > > service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under > > license by board certificants after periodic evaluations. The board name > is > > a trademark registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: On Behalf Of Cynthia Swope via > > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 1:57 AM > > > > An ongoing concern is my desire to submit for certification (at some > > point--kind of a bucket list thing for years now). I don't want that > messed > > up in anyway. But more basely, I find all the for profit sites that > > generate > > income from work like all of ours not in alignment with my own personal > > impetus or comfort level. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: the way to preserve our work is to write it up and publish it -- stories and reasoning that anyone can enjoy, not databases. In this context I would think the best way to be credited is the same: write it up and publish it. Every genealogy journal I know of is anxious, if not desperate, for good material. If you keep it all private, thieves won't get at it, but when you're gone nobody else will either. That strikes me as futile. The point is not to possess the past. The point is for it to be remembered. Harold Harold Henderson, CG midwestroots.net *Finding Ancestors in Fort Wayne: The Genealogist's Unofficial One-Stop Guide to the Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center * http://www.midwestroots.net/ <http://www.midwestroots.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/ACPLGC-April-2013.pdf> Certified Genealogist (SM) No. 1029 Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists® used by the Board to identify its program of genealogical competency evaluation and used under license by the Board’s associates. On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Mary Douglass via < [email protected]> wrote: > As I have no one to carry on my research, I am posting my documents online > at Ancestry.com in a public tree. Cousins have been using my work, without > crediting the work to me for years. I don't like it, but I also don't want > my life's work to disappear. Just my two cents'. > Mary Clement DouglassTranscribing & publishing Kansas genealogical records > "If you can’t get rid of the skeleton in your closet, you’d best teach it > to dance." – George Bernard Shaw > From: Elissa Scalise Powell via < > [email protected]> > To: 'TGF' <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, May 1, 2015 9:09 AM > Subject: [TGF] Disseminating information online > > Yes, I understand that point also. Many genealogists don’t want their work > in original records “cherry picked” by others. I have had that believe for > years until very recently when I had two events happen almost the same day. > A cousin of some sort wrote to me. He had been present in 1992 at a family > reunion of one branch of our tree and had caught up with me again. He said > that he was entering the book I did for the reunion into FamilySearch and > did I have any more. That of course miffed me a little. > > > > Second occurrence was when I Googled a couple of family names in > combination and came up with an entry in WikiTree that pointed to its > source of a 1908 printed family history book (also digitized and online). > That one entry broke a 10 year old brick wall for me that no original > records were yielding. > > > > So to give or not to give is the question. Whether it is nobler to keep > the data to oneself and perfect it as many of us are wont to do, or to > disseminate it for the world to do with what they will. That is the > question. > > > > -- Elissa > > > > Elissa Scalise Powell, CG , CGL > > www.PowellGenealogy.com <http://www.powellgenealogy.com/> > > www.GRIPitt.org <http://www.gripitt.org/> 28 June-3 July 2015 and 19-24 > July 2015 in Pittsburgh, PA > > CG, Certified Genealogist, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are > service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under > license by board certificants after periodic evaluations. The board name is > a trademark registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. > > > > From: Patricia Hobbs [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 9:50 AM > Subject: Re: [TGF] DNA research / Private site for tree sharing/ > certification as sideline > > > > I understand her point of view though -- if we have discovered things in > our research towards certification (which we likely will), we'd much rather > people not be disseminating it across the internet before we present it. > > > > Patti > > > > On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Elissa Scalise Powell via < > [email protected] <mailto: > [email protected]> > wrote: > > Cynthia, > It is a common misperception that a published family tree will "mess up" an > application for certification because of the rule that any portfolio > requirement cannot be reviewed or critiqued by someone else. What is meant > here is the actual portfolio requirement, not pieces of data that are used > for the case study or kinship determination project. BCG recognizes that > our > research is collaborative but that what you submit to BCG must be your own > analysis, conclusions, and writing. > > Hope that helps, > Elissa > > Elissa Scalise Powell, CG , CGL > www.PowellGenealogy.com <http://www.PowellGenealogy.com> > www.GRIPitt.org <http://www.GRIPitt.org> 28 June-3 July 2015 and 19-24 > July 2015 in Pittsburgh, PA > CG, Certified Genealogist, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are > service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under > license by board certificants after periodic evaluations. The board name is > a trademark registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. > > -----Original Message----- > From: On Behalf Of Cynthia Swope via > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 1:57 AM > > An ongoing concern is my desire to submit for certification (at some > point--kind of a bucket list thing for years now). I don't want that messed > up in anyway. But more basely, I find all the for profit sites that > generate > income from work like all of ours not in alignment with my own personal > impetus or comfort level. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am agreeing with Harold. I have spent countless hours (and money) re-discovering ancestors that had been forgotten. If I suddenly died, they would just remain forgotten. All my work would be for nothing. Writing up and publishing the "stories and reasoning that anyone can enjoy," (from Harold's email above), is the only way to keep those once forgotten ancestors remembered. I even extend this thought process to the much maligned Public Family Trees. My Public Family Tree is not as well sourced as my written work, but the framework is there. I want people to use my tree. I do not consider it "stealing" to use my public tree. Please use, copy, and borrow my public family tree. As I have delved more and more into genetic genealogy (DNA), I have come to value the Public Family Trees more and more. It is quite a disadvantage to run into matches that keep their trees private; both for the private tree owner and the public tree owner. Melinda Henningfield -- Melinda Henningfield, CG(SM) Ashland, Oregon *CG or Certified Genealogist are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by Board-certified genealogists after periodic competency evaluation, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office.*

Elissa wrote: Cynthia, It is a common misperception that a published family tree will "mess up" an application for certification because of the rule that any portfolio requirement cannot be reviewed or critiqued by someone else. What is meant here is the actual portfolio requirement, not pieces of data that are used for the case study or kinship determination project. BCG recognizes that our research is collaborative but that what you submit to BCG must be your own analysis, conclusions, and writing. Hope that helps, Elissa Dear Elissa and fellow listers, I'm considering certification and have looked at the information on the BCG website, but I'm still uncertain about what might prevent me from using a particular family line for my portfolio. For example, I have a personal blog for sharing family stories, and I've stopped posting on it until I decide on what lines I would use for a certification portfolio for fear of compromising my ability to use a particular line. The comments from family members on my posts are 100% along the lines of "Oh, that's cool," and never anything that might be considered collaboratively helpful. To blog or not to blog? That is my question.... :-) Annette Annette Burke Lyttle HERITAGE DETECTIVE, LLC Westminster, Colorado 303-217-3452 [email protected] http://heritagedetective.com

Yes, I understand that point also. Many genealogists don’t want their work in original records “cherry picked” by others. I have had that believe for years until very recently when I had two events happen almost the same day. A cousin of some sort wrote to me. He had been present in 1992 at a family reunion of one branch of our tree and had caught up with me again. He said that he was entering the book I did for the reunion into FamilySearch and did I have any more. That of course miffed me a little. Second occurrence was when I Googled a couple of family names in combination and came up with an entry in WikiTree that pointed to its source of a 1908 printed family history book (also digitized and online). That one entry broke a 10 year old brick wall for me that no original records were yielding. So to give or not to give is the question. Whether it is nobler to keep the data to oneself and perfect it as many of us are wont to do, or to disseminate it for the world to do with what they will. That is the question. -- Elissa Elissa Scalise Powell, CG , CGL www.PowellGenealogy.com <http://www.powellgenealogy.com/> www.GRIPitt.org <http://www.gripitt.org/> 28 June-3 July 2015 and 19-24 July 2015 in Pittsburgh, PA CG, Certified Genealogist, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic evaluations. The board name is a trademark registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. From: Patricia Hobbs [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [TGF] DNA research / Private site for tree sharing/ certification as sideline I understand her point of view though -- if we have discovered things in our research towards certification (which we likely will), we'd much rather people not be disseminating it across the internet before we present it. Patti On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Elissa Scalise Powell via <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Cynthia, It is a common misperception that a published family tree will "mess up" an application for certification because of the rule that any portfolio requirement cannot be reviewed or critiqued by someone else. What is meant here is the actual portfolio requirement, not pieces of data that are used for the case study or kinship determination project. BCG recognizes that our research is collaborative but that what you submit to BCG must be your own analysis, conclusions, and writing. Hope that helps, Elissa Elissa Scalise Powell, CG , CGL www.PowellGenealogy.com <http://www.PowellGenealogy.com> www.GRIPitt.org <http://www.GRIPitt.org> 28 June-3 July 2015 and 19-24 July 2015 in Pittsburgh, PA CG, Certified Genealogist, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic evaluations. The board name is a trademark registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. -----Original Message----- From: On Behalf Of Cynthia Swope via Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 1:57 AM An ongoing concern is my desire to submit for certification (at some point--kind of a bucket list thing for years now). I don't want that messed up in anyway. But more basely, I find all the for profit sites that generate income from work like all of ours not in alignment with my own personal impetus or comfort level.

Cynthia, It is a common misperception that a published family tree will "mess up" an application for certification because of the rule that any portfolio requirement cannot be reviewed or critiqued by someone else. What is meant here is the actual portfolio requirement, not pieces of data that are used for the case study or kinship determination project. BCG recognizes that our research is collaborative but that what you submit to BCG must be your own analysis, conclusions, and writing. Hope that helps, Elissa Elissa Scalise Powell, CG , CGL www.PowellGenealogy.com www.GRIPitt.org 28 June-3 July 2015 and 19-24 July 2015 in Pittsburgh, PA CG, Certified Genealogist, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic evaluations. The board name is a trademark registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. -----Original Message----- From: On Behalf Of Cynthia Swope via Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 1:57 AM An ongoing concern is my desire to submit for certification (at some point--kind of a bucket list thing for years now). I don't want that messed up in anyway. But more basely, I find all the for profit sites that generate income from work like all of ours not in alignment with my own personal impetus or comfort level.

I understand her point of view though -- if we have discovered things in our research towards certification (which we likely will), we'd much rather people not be disseminating it across the internet before we present it. Patti On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Elissa Scalise Powell via < [email protected]> wrote: > Cynthia, > It is a common misperception that a published family tree will "mess up" an > application for certification because of the rule that any portfolio > requirement cannot be reviewed or critiqued by someone else. What is meant > here is the actual portfolio requirement, not pieces of data that are used > for the case study or kinship determination project. BCG recognizes that > our > research is collaborative but that what you submit to BCG must be your own > analysis, conclusions, and writing. > > Hope that helps, > Elissa > > Elissa Scalise Powell, CG , CGL > www.PowellGenealogy.com > www.GRIPitt.org 28 June-3 July 2015 and 19-24 July 2015 in Pittsburgh, PA > CG, Certified Genealogist, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are > service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under > license by board certificants after periodic evaluations. The board name is > a trademark registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. > > -----Original Message----- > From: On Behalf Of Cynthia Swope via > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 1:57 AM > > An ongoing concern is my desire to submit for certification (at some > point--kind of a bucket list thing for years now). I don't want that messed > up in anyway. But more basely, I find all the for profit sites that > generate > income from work like all of ours not in alignment with my own personal > impetus or comfort level. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >