Emily, The HeritageQuest collection of databases is still owned by ProQuest. As of March 2015 (the 4th, I think it was) HeritageQuest became "powered by Ancestry" and now uses the searching, indexes, and interface from Ancestry. There was some unhappiness I saw on the Librarians serving Genealogists list I subscribe to at the loss of some of the old indexing and searching that was available on the old HeritageQuest interface. And it was old--10 if not 15 years old. On the good side was a complete index to all the censuses, as well as the addition of some additional census materials and additional materials in some of the other databases. ProQuest is an institutional vendor that supplies databases with information about many subjects to all types of libraries. HeritageQuest is one of their genealogy databases and they also allow libraries to let their users use it from home. In Wisconsin (where I am) it is available to any state resident because it is part of a collection that is subscribed to at the state level. ProQuest also supplies Ancestry Library Edition (and libraries can't allow home use of that), Historic Map Works, Sanborn Maps, and likely others that I'm not thinking of off the top of my head. Here's a link to some information from ProQuest http://proquest.libguides.com/genealogy_home Megan Isely La Crosse, WI (a librarian by profession) On 5/4/2015 11:48 PM, Emily Garber via wrote: > I have a question. I am not sure that HeritageQuest was bought out by > Ancestry. I believe they are using some Ancestry features, but did > they get bought out? I thought they were still owned by ProQuest. > > Emily Garber > Phoenix, AZ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I find capitalisation very useful where one is referring to societies where the surname is not placed last in the line, or where it is a hyphenated name and there is a risk that the hyphen is left out. So - as a default I do capitalise names. However, if this is in a document, then I aim to capitalise the surname where it first appears in a chapter - then revert to initial capitals. The question of how to record a name where normal usage is to place the surname first is something I've yet to address. Chris -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bryna O'Sullivan via Sent: 04 May 2015 14:24 To: [email protected] Subject: [TGF] capitalization of surnames Hi all, I'm posing this question mostly out of curiosity. I'm reviewing course work for an advanced genealogy program, and the instructor insists that surnames be capitalized - a practice I have not seen done recently and had been told was outdated. Is the course work simply outdated or is it a regionalism? The course is based outside of the United States. -Bryna O'Sullivan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Here is what Find-my-Past states about their version of PERSI: “The Periodical Source Index is compiled quarterly by the Allen County Public Library in Fort Wayne, Indiana, and will be simultaneously updated on findmypast. Along with these updates, findmypast is also working to provide access to the same articles indexed in PERSI through our site. Images from PERSI-indexed articles are regularly added every month.” http://search.findmypast.com/search-world-records/periodical-source-index

This undated information is from findmypast about PERSI http://www.findmypast.com/content/persi_finds_new_home_at_findmypast and here is some info from The Ancestry Insider http://www.ancestryinsider.org/2014/12/findmypast-making-progress-digitizing.html Megan On 5/4/2015 9:36 PM, Rondina Muncy wrote: > I should note that the ProQuest Online Group representative did not > speak specifically to FindMyPast or the Allen County Library, only > HeritageQuest. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. > > Rondina > _______________________ > Rondina P. Muncy > Ancestral Analysis > 4008 Linden Avenue > Fort Worth, Texas 76107 > 682.224.6584 > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > www.ancestralanalysis.com <http://www.ancestralanalysis.com> > > On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:43 PM, Megan Isely via > <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > I thought I had read (and I am sorry I don't remember > where--perhaps it > was in Allen County Public Library's online newsletter) that Allen > County now has a contract with findmypast instead of with ProQuest so > the ProQuest Herittage Quest version is now static. Findmypast was > also > going to digitize some of the indexed articles and make those > available > as well as the index. > > Megan Isely > La Crosse, WI > > On 5/4/2015 5:34 PM, Patricia Hobbs via wrote: > > Ah, very interesting, Barbara. So they hadn't added anything in > a good long > > while! > > > > Thanks. > > Patti > > > > On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 3:55 PM, Barbara Mathews via < > > [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > >> This is how Heritage Quest describes its own PERSI database: > >> > >> "Periodical Source Index (PERSI) Archive (1800-2009), published > by the > >> Allen > >> County Public Library, it contains more than 2.3 million > records covering > >> both English and French periodicals published around the world > since 1800." > >> > >> It states that the entries end in 2009. > >> > >> http://www.proquest.com/products-services/HeritageQuest-Online.html > >> > >> Barbara > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> with > the word > >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > >> > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> with > the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> with > the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of the message > >

I have a question. I am not sure that HeritageQuest was bought out by Ancestry. I believe they are using some Ancestry features, but did they get bought out? I thought they were still owned by ProQuest. Emily Garber Phoenix, AZ

I should note that the ProQuest Online Group representative did not speak specifically to FindMyPast or the Allen County Library, only HeritageQuest. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Rondina _______________________ Rondina P. Muncy Ancestral Analysis 4008 Linden Avenue Fort Worth, Texas 76107 682.224.6584 [email protected] www.ancestralanalysis.com On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:43 PM, Megan Isely via < [email protected]> wrote: > I thought I had read (and I am sorry I don't remember where--perhaps it > was in Allen County Public Library's online newsletter) that Allen > County now has a contract with findmypast instead of with ProQuest so > the ProQuest Herittage Quest version is now static. Findmypast was also > going to digitize some of the indexed articles and make those available > as well as the index. > > Megan Isely > La Crosse, WI > > On 5/4/2015 5:34 PM, Patricia Hobbs via wrote: > > Ah, very interesting, Barbara. So they hadn't added anything in a good > long > > while! > > > > Thanks. > > Patti > > > > On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 3:55 PM, Barbara Mathews via < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > >> This is how Heritage Quest describes its own PERSI database: > >> > >> "Periodical Source Index (PERSI) Archive (1800-2009), published by the > >> Allen > >> County Public Library, it contains more than 2.3 million records > covering > >> both English and French periodicals published around the world since > 1800." > >> > >> It states that the entries end in 2009. > >> > >> http://www.proquest.com/products-services/HeritageQuest-Online.html > >> > >> Barbara > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word > >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > >> > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Well, back to the horse's mouth to ask about content addition ceasing in 2009. Rondina _______________________ Rondina P. Muncy Ancestral Analysis 4008 Linden Avenue Fort Worth, Texas 76107 682.224.6584 [email protected] www.ancestralanalysis.com On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 3:55 PM, Barbara Mathews via < [email protected]om> wrote: > This is how Heritage Quest describes its own PERSI database: > > "Periodical Source Index (PERSI) Archive (1800-2009), published by the > Allen > County Public Library, it contains more than 2.3 million records covering > both English and French periodicals published around the world since 1800." > > It states that the entries end in 2009. > > http://www.proquest.com/products-services/HeritageQuest-Online.html > > Barbara > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks, Rondina. for your information on current FamilySearch procedures for accepting donatied material, and for confirming my understanding that it does not operate as a pubvlisher. Donn Donn Devine, CG, FNGS Consultant, Documentary and Genetic Genealogy CG and Certified Genealogist are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogy, used under license by its certificants after periodic review of their genealogical competence, and the Board name is registered in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. In a message dated 5/4/2015 4:03:35 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 14:42:28 -0500 From: Rondina Muncy <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [TGF] Disseminating information online To: DonnDevine <[email protected]> Cc: Transitional Genealogists <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]om> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Donn, I have used scanned copies of unpublished manuscripts from the FHL through links on *FamilySearch*. In the front, there is a letter of permission by the author (normally the copyright holder) that allows the library permission to use the copy. This does not make the FHL the "publisher" per se, but the avenue to the copyrighted work. Unless the rules have changed, with proper permission, submissions that are sent using PDF files with the author's (or copyright holder's) permission can be placed online and linked to search results. When I have spoken with them, they inferred that the PDF format was preferable. The current link to donating material is: https://familysearch.org/sites/default/uploads/Donations-Guidelines-REVISION -12-July-2012.pdf Rondina _______________________ Rondina P. Muncy Ancestral Analysis 4008 Linden Avenue Fort Worth, Texas 76107 682.224.6584 [email protected] www.ancestralanalysis.com

I thought I had read (and I am sorry I don't remember where--perhaps it was in Allen County Public Library's online newsletter) that Allen County now has a contract with findmypast instead of with ProQuest so the ProQuest Herittage Quest version is now static. Findmypast was also going to digitize some of the indexed articles and make those available as well as the index. Megan Isely La Crosse, WI On 5/4/2015 5:34 PM, Patricia Hobbs via wrote: > Ah, very interesting, Barbara. So they hadn't added anything in a good long > while! > > Thanks. > Patti > > On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 3:55 PM, Barbara Mathews via < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> This is how Heritage Quest describes its own PERSI database: >> >> "Periodical Source Index (PERSI) Archive (1800-2009), published by the >> Allen >> County Public Library, it contains more than 2.3 million records covering >> both English and French periodicals published around the world since 1800." >> >> It states that the entries end in 2009. >> >> http://www.proquest.com/products-services/HeritageQuest-Online.html >> >> Barbara >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ah, very interesting, Barbara. So they hadn't added anything in a good long while! Thanks. Patti On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 3:55 PM, Barbara Mathews via < [email protected]> wrote: > This is how Heritage Quest describes its own PERSI database: > > "Periodical Source Index (PERSI) Archive (1800-2009), published by the > Allen > County Public Library, it contains more than 2.3 million records covering > both English and French periodicals published around the world since 1800." > > It states that the entries end in 2009. > > http://www.proquest.com/products-services/HeritageQuest-Online.html > > Barbara > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is how Heritage Quest describes its own PERSI database: "Periodical Source Index (PERSI) Archive (1800-2009), published by the Allen County Public Library, it contains more than 2.3 million records covering both English and French periodicals published around the world since 1800." It states that the entries end in 2009. http://www.proquest.com/products-services/HeritageQuest-Online.html Barbara

To my remembrance, I believe the HQ PERSI is frozen in time, hence the archive. FMP has the updates. -- Elissa Elissa Scalise Powell, CG , CGL www.PowellGenealogy.com www.GRIPitt.org 28 June-3 July 2015 and 19-24 July 2015 in Pittsburgh, PA CG, Certified Genealogist, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic evaluations. The board name is a trademark registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. -----Original Message----- From: On Behalf Of Patricia Hobbs via Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 3:55 PM I'm doing a presentation for library staff tomorrow and am revisiting *HeritageQuest* since it has changed due to the buy out by Ancestry (also noticing that Ancestry is calling themselves Ancestry rather than Ancestry.com these days). The *HeritageQuest* interface is calling PERSI "PERSI Archive." I know that PERSI is now available on *FindMyPast*, but I wondered if the PERSI on *HQ* will remain an "archive" and not be updated? I haven't seen that said anywhere. Maybe it was always called "PERSI Archive" and I just didn't notice. Is there any difference in the index part of the FindMyPast version (I understand it will link to articles eventually) and the database on *HQ*? Thanks. Patti

Patti, Since I'm having a bit of a rest here, I did what I normally do---I picked up the phone. I spoke with Crystal at the Online Group at HeritageQuest. - The name "PERSI" was changed to "PERSI Archive" when HQ migrated to a new interface on 4 March 2015. - Any new content will continue to be added to "PERSI Archive." - The indexing is "probably different [at FindMyPast] because each company has its own indexing methods." If you have any follow-up questions, call ProQuest at 800.521.0600; ask for the Online Group. Rondina _______________________ Rondina P. Muncy Ancestral Analysis 4008 Linden Avenue Fort Worth, Texas 76107 682.224.6584 [email protected] www.ancestralanalysis.com On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 2:55 PM, Patricia Hobbs via < [email protected]> wrote: > I'm doing a presentation for library staff tomorrow and am revisiting > *HeritageQuest* since it has changed due to the buy out by Ancestry (also > noticing that Ancestry is calling themselves Ancestry rather than > Ancestry.com these days). > > The *HeritageQuest* interface is calling PERSI "PERSI Archive." I know that > PERSI is now available on *FindMyPast*, but I wondered if the PERSI on *HQ* > will remain an "archive" and not be updated? I haven't seen that said > anywhere. Maybe it was always called "PERSI Archive" and I just didn't > notice. Is there any difference in the index part of the FindMyPast version > (I understand it will link to articles eventually) and the database on > *HQ*? > > Thanks. > Patti > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I'm doing a presentation for library staff tomorrow and am revisiting *HeritageQuest* since it has changed due to the buy out by Ancestry (also noticing that Ancestry is calling themselves Ancestry rather than Ancestry.com these days). The *HeritageQuest* interface is calling PERSI "PERSI Archive." I know that PERSI is now available on *FindMyPast*, but I wondered if the PERSI on *HQ* will remain an "archive" and not be updated? I haven't seen that said anywhere. Maybe it was always called "PERSI Archive" and I just didn't notice. Is there any difference in the index part of the FindMyPast version (I understand it will link to articles eventually) and the database on *HQ*? Thanks. Patti

Thank you everyone for your feedback! On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:23 AM, Bryna O'Sullivan < [email protected]> wrote: > Hi all, > I'm posing this question mostly out of curiosity. I'm reviewing course > work for an advanced genealogy program, and the instructor insists that > surnames be capitalized - a practice I have not seen done recently and had > been told was outdated. Is the course work simply outdated or is it a > regionalism? The course is based outside of the United States. > -Bryna O'Sullivan >

Bryna, I have followed the examples of Curran, Crane, and Wray in *Numbering Your Genealogy. *If you will notice, they use bold for the individual's name and their spouses name. They use small caps for the child's name. Most of the older practices were based on the limitations of the typewriter. We could not access "bold," so we used all caps. To underline, we had to backspace and repeatedly underscore. We now use italics. We did not have access to different sizes of fonts until the IBM Selectric, in which case, we would change the type ball, to get a small cap. Time-consuming. Rondina _______________________ Rondina P. Muncy Ancestral Analysis 4008 Linden Avenue Fort Worth, Texas 76107 682.224.6584 [email protected] www.ancestralanalysis.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Bryna O'Sullivan via > Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 9:24 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [SPAM-Med] [TGF] capitalization of surnames > > Hi all, > I'm posing this question mostly out of curiosity. I'm reviewing course work > for an advanced genealogy program, and the instructor insists that surnames > be capitalized - a practice I have not seen done recently and had been told > was outdated. Is the course work simply outdated or is it a regionalism? > The course is based outside of the United States. > -Bryna O'Sullivan > >

I have seen it still in fairly common use in French genealogical literature. Michael Hait, CG(sm) [email protected] http://www.haitfamilyresearch.com Author of *Online State Resources for Genealogy* ebook More information at http://haitfamilyresearch.com/onlineStates.htm CG and Certified Genealogist are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic competency evaluation, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office. -----Original Message----- From: Elissa Scalise Powell via Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 10:09 AM To: 'TGF' Subject: Re: [TGF] capitalization of surnames I would think that the word that this practice is outdated has not reached all corners of the globe. -- Elissa Elissa Scalise Powell, CG , CGL www.PowellGenealogy.com www.GRIPitt.org 28 June-3 July 2015 and 19-24 July 2015 in Pittsburgh, PA CG, Certified Genealogist, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic evaluations. The board name is a trademark registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bryna O'Sullivan via Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 9:24 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [SPAM-Med] [TGF] capitalization of surnames Hi all, I'm posing this question mostly out of curiosity. I'm reviewing course work for an advanced genealogy program, and the instructor insists that surnames be capitalized - a practice I have not seen done recently and had been told was outdated. Is the course work simply outdated or is it a regionalism? The course is based outside of the United States. -Bryna O'Sullivan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I personally use it mostly when working on a client report so they can easily see the names as they read the report. Otherwise, I rarely use it. Cari A. Taplin, CG GenealogyPANTS Pflugerville, Texas [email protected] www.genealogypants.com <http://www.genealogypants.com/> CG and Certified Genealogist are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certified associates after periodic competency evaluations, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office. > On May 4, 2015, at 9:33 AM, Michael Hait via <[email protected]> wrote: > > I have seen it still in fairly common use in French genealogical literature. > > Michael Hait, CG(sm) > [email protected] > http://www.haitfamilyresearch.com > Author of *Online State Resources for Genealogy* ebook > More information at http://haitfamilyresearch.com/onlineStates.htm > > CG and Certified Genealogist are service marks of the Board for > Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants > after periodic competency evaluation, and the board name is registered in > the US Patent & Trademark Office. > -----Original Message----- > From: Elissa Scalise Powell via > Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 10:09 AM > To: 'TGF' > Subject: Re: [TGF] capitalization of surnames > > I would think that the word that this practice is outdated has not reached > all corners of the globe. > > -- Elissa > > Elissa Scalise Powell, CG , CGL > www.PowellGenealogy.com > www.GRIPitt.org 28 June-3 July 2015 and 19-24 July 2015 in Pittsburgh, PA > CG, Certified Genealogist, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are > service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under > license by board certificants after periodic evaluations. The board name is > a trademark registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Bryna O'Sullivan via > Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 9:24 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [SPAM-Med] [TGF] capitalization of surnames > > Hi all, > I'm posing this question mostly out of curiosity. I'm reviewing course work > for an advanced genealogy program, and the instructor insists that surnames > be capitalized - a practice I have not seen done recently and had been told > was outdated. Is the course work simply outdated or is it a regionalism? > The course is based outside of the United States. > -Bryna O'Sullivan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would think that the word that this practice is outdated has not reached all corners of the globe. -- Elissa Elissa Scalise Powell, CG , CGL www.PowellGenealogy.com www.GRIPitt.org 28 June-3 July 2015 and 19-24 July 2015 in Pittsburgh, PA CG, Certified Genealogist, CGL, and Certified Genealogical Lecturer are service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by board certificants after periodic evaluations. The board name is a trademark registered in the US Patent and Trademark Office. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bryna O'Sullivan via Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 9:24 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [SPAM-Med] [TGF] capitalization of surnames Hi all, I'm posing this question mostly out of curiosity. I'm reviewing course work for an advanced genealogy program, and the instructor insists that surnames be capitalized - a practice I have not seen done recently and had been told was outdated. Is the course work simply outdated or is it a regionalism? The course is based outside of the United States. -Bryna O'Sullivan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bryna -- I think it's outdated unless you're preparing a manuscript that will not foreseeably become digitally searchable, i.e. hardly ever. I also think that Elizabeth Shown Mills has commented comprehensively on this somewhere. Thinking internationally, the more important internal capitalization might be within a surname (or if important accent marks could not be applied to capital letters), the less desirable it would be. In general, my predisposition would be not to do it because it makes the page look all jumpy. But my co-compilers and I agreed to capitalize surnames in our recently published abstracts of La Porte County probates -- but NOT in the index! Harold Harold Henderson, CG midwestroots.net *Finding Ancestors in Fort Wayne: The Genealogist's Unofficial One-Stop Guide to the Allen County Public Library Genealogy Center * http://www.midwestroots.net/ <http://www.midwestroots.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/ACPLGC-April-2013.pdf> Certified Genealogist (SM) No. 1029 Certified Genealogist and CG are proprietary service marks of the Board for Certification of Genealogists® used by the Board to identify its program of genealogical competency evaluation and used under license by the Board’s associates. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Bryna O'Sullivan via < [email protected]> wrote: > Hi all, > I'm posing this question mostly out of curiosity. I'm reviewing course work > for an advanced genealogy program, and the instructor insists that surnames > be capitalized - a practice I have not seen done recently and had been told > was outdated. Is the course work simply outdated or is it a regionalism? > The course is based outside of the United States. > -Bryna O'Sullivan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >