Sorry, I meant "dish" (spelling correction has a mind of its own) Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Proctor via" <[email protected]> To: "Susan O'Connor-LIVE" <[email protected]>; "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [TGF] Occupation: Black Pudding > Maybe he made, or sold, black pudding (see > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_pudding). It's still a popular disk in > Britain and Ireland, although the contents are less "iffy" these days. > > Tony Proctor > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Susan O'Connor-LIVE via" > <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 3:25 AM > Subject: [TGF] Occupation: Black Pudding > > >> >> >> >> When researching a family in City Directories of Fall River, MA, one of >> the men was listed with the occupation of "black pudding." At other >> times >> his occupation was that of "carriage painter." Are these two occupations >> synonymous? If not, what is a "black pudding?" >> >> ----------------------------- >> >> Susan M. O'Connor >> >> 508-397-8414 >> >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message

I don't know if this is the same "blood pudding" listed as an occupation, however... As a kid in Quincy, Massachusetts in the late 1950s,my mother would buy blood sausage (AKA black pudding) from a local Scottish butcher. Making it involved blood and oatmeal (and who knows what else. I remember m y mother commenting that the butcher wouldn't make during the summer. On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 3:00 AM, < [email protected]> wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Occupation: Black Pudding (Susan O'Connor-LIVE) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 22:25:58 -0400 > From: "Susan O'Connor-LIVE" <[email protected]> > Subject: [TGF] Occupation: Black Pudding > To: "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > When researching a family in City Directories of Fall River, MA, one of > the men was listed with the occupation of "black pudding." At other times > his occupation was that of "carriage painter." Are these two occupations > synonymous? If not, what is a "black pudding?" > > ----------------------------- > > Susan M. O'Connor > > 508-397-8414 > > [email protected] > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 9, Issue 98 > ************************************************************** >

Maybe he made, or sold, black pudding (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_pudding). It's still a popular disk in Britain and Ireland, although the contents are less "iffy" these days. Tony Proctor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan O'Connor-LIVE via" <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 3:25 AM Subject: [TGF] Occupation: Black Pudding > > > > When researching a family in City Directories of Fall River, MA, one of > the men was listed with the occupation of "black pudding." At other times > his occupation was that of "carriage painter." Are these two occupations > synonymous? If not, what is a "black pudding?" > > ----------------------------- > > Susan M. O'Connor > > 508-397-8414 > > [email protected] > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message

Black pudding or blood pudding was an old British food, purchased from a butcher. They are the same thing but different names were used in different parts of Britain, and I am familiar with both names. Christine Bell Green C&M Genealogical Research Sent from my iPad > On May 13, 2015, at 7:01 AM, C L Bence via <[email protected]> wrote: > > I don't know if this is the same "blood pudding" listed as an occupation, > however... > > As a kid in Quincy, Massachusetts in the late 1950s,my mother would buy > blood sausage (AKA black pudding) from a local Scottish butcher. Making it > involved blood and oatmeal (and who knows what else. I remember m y mother > commenting that the butcher wouldn't make during the summer. > > > > On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 3:00 AM, < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Occupation: Black Pudding (Susan O'Connor-LIVE) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 22:25:58 -0400 >> From: "Susan O'Connor-LIVE" <[email protected]> >> Subject: [TGF] Occupation: Black Pudding >> To: "[email protected]" >> <[email protected]> >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> >> >> When researching a family in City Directories of Fall River, MA, one of >> the men was listed with the occupation of "black pudding." At other times >> his occupation was that of "carriage painter." Are these two occupations >> synonymous? If not, what is a "black pudding?" >> >> ----------------------------- >> >> Susan M. O'Connor >> >> 508-397-8414 >> >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> >> End of TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 9, Issue 98 >> ************************************************************** > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Susan, Black pudding is blood sausage. I would interpret the black pudding entry as in the butchering or meat business. Denise Cross On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 3:00 AM, < [email protected]> wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Occupation: Black Pudding (Susan O'Connor-LIVE) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 22:25:58 -0400 > From: "Susan O'Connor-LIVE" <[email protected]> > Subject: [TGF] Occupation: Black Pudding > To: "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > When researching a family in City Directories of Fall River, MA, one of > the men was listed with the occupation of "black pudding." At other times > his occupation was that of "carriage painter." Are these two occupations > synonymous? If not, what is a "black pudding?" > > ----------------------------- > > Susan M. O'Connor > > 508-397-8414 > > [email protected] > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of TRANSITIONAL-GENEALOGISTS-FORUM Digest, Vol 9, Issue 98 > ************************************************************** > -- -Denise

When researching a family in City Directories of Fall River, MA, one of the men was listed with the occupation of "black pudding." At other times his occupation was that of "carriage painter." Are these two occupations synonymous? If not, what is a "black pudding?" ----------------------------- Susan M. O'Connor 508-397-8414 [email protected]

Hi all, Just wondering if anyone might have a ticket to the BCG luncheon next week. In the rush to get ready to go, I missed the registration deadline. If anyone has an extra one that they aren't using, I'd love to have it. Thanks,Nikki LaRue

I had a similar situation happen a few years ago. I mailed in the application with the required fee and months went by with no response. I went to the local SS Office here in Nashville and they were able to pull up what I needed. Don't think that I ever heard from my request to SS at all. Perhaps my visit to the local office cancelled my request. Very frustrating! ----Sincerely, Sue Forshee Cooper Professional Genealogist Researcher: KY-TN Research Associates Probate Genealogist Member: Metro Nashville Public Records Commission Memberin good standing: Middle TN Genealogical Society; Simpson Co.,KY Chapter DAR; Logan Co., KY Genealogical Society, County Coordinator: Simpson Co., KY GenWeb site; Commissioned a KY Colonel 1992 http://kytn.weebly.com/ www.simpsonco.bizland.com/PROFESSIONAL_GENEALOGIST.HTM May Your troubles be less Your Blessings Be More And nothing but Happiness Come through your door.

A few years ago, when a requested SS-5 failed to be received in an appropriate number of weeks, I contacted my congressman. His office made things happen. Calling Social Security will probably result in an automated message. Ms. Marty Hiatt, CG Certified Genealogist is a service mark of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by Certified Genealogists after periodic evaluation by the Board. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >

I submitted an FOIA request for an SS-5 last year in April. They cashed the check in October but never sent me the document. Is there a number I can call to request the document be sent to me? Thanks, Brandt

I submitted an FOUA request for an SS-5 last year in April. They cashed the check in October but never sent me the document. Is there a number I can call to request the document be sent to me? Thanks, Brandt Sent from my iPhone

Thank you for checking on this again, Rondina. I think you are spot on with the link of the "Society Data Initiative", findmypast, and Allen County Public Library. The library has long been known for their collection of genealogy periodicals (including local genealogy society ones) and making those local society resources more available through their PERSI index. Megan On 5/5/2015 12:18 PM, Rondina Muncy wrote: > Megan, > > I contacted ProQuest again. As I understand it: > > 1. 4 March 2015 Migration to new interface using Ancestry's indexing. > 2. HQ is still being updated and indexed except for PERSI. > 3. The PERSI database within HQ is stagnant as of 2009 as stated. HQ > refers to it as an "historical file" like their "historical newspaper > collection." > > > So, if you use PERSI through findmypast, you will get images as they > come online and an updated database as they complete the catch-up > task.. (A complete list of journals whose scanned images are available > is on their website.) > > I am unsure if the Allen County Public Library was indexing the > journals between 2009 and February 2014 when the arrangement with > findmypast began, but if not, findmypast will catch them up. > > FGS is lumped into summaries of all this, but they have a very > specific goal of working in conjunction with findmypast on a "Society > Data Initiative" whose goal is to get society journals online. > Although no relationship is explicitly stated with the Allen County > Public Library, I would think that one is established by default > through findmypast. > > The link to that information: > > http://www.findmypast.com/content/persi_finds_new_home_at_findmypast > > This has been a nice little exercise and I'm glad Patti asked the > question. I hope the discussion is useful this evening. > > Rondina > _______________________ > Rondina P. Muncy > Ancestral Analysis > 4008 Linden Avenue > Fort Worth, Texas 76107 > 682.224.6584 > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > www.ancestralanalysis.com <http://www.ancestralanalysis.com> > > On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Megan Isely via > <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Emily, > > The HeritageQuest collection of databases is still owned by ProQuest. > As of March 2015 (the 4th, I think it was) HeritageQuest became > "powered > by Ancestry" and now uses the searching, indexes, and interface from > Ancestry. There was some unhappiness I saw on the Librarians serving > Genealogists list I subscribe to at the loss of some of the old > indexing > and searching that was available on the old HeritageQuest > interface. And > it was old--10 if not 15 years old. On the good side was a complete > index to all the censuses, as well as the addition of some additional > census materials and additional materials in some of the other > databases. > > ProQuest is an institutional vendor that supplies databases with > information about many subjects to all types of libraries. > HeritageQuest > is one of their genealogy databases and they also allow libraries > to let > their users use it from home. In Wisconsin (where I am) it is > available > to any state resident because it is part of a collection that is > subscribed to at the state level. ProQuest also supplies Ancestry > Library Edition (and libraries can't allow home use of that), Historic > Map Works, Sanborn Maps, and likely others that I'm not thinking > of off > the top of my head. Here's a link to some information from ProQuest > http://proquest.libguides.com/genealogy_home > > Megan Isely > La Crosse, WI (a librarian by profession) > > On 5/4/2015 11:48 PM, Emily Garber via wrote: > > I have a question. I am not sure that HeritageQuest was bought > out by > > Ancestry. I believe they are using some Ancestry features, but did > > they get bought out? I thought they were still owned by ProQuest. > > > > Emily Garber > > Phoenix, AZ > >

It would make a big difference if you're sharing your data with someone else. I've certainly had to undo capitalisation in information shared with me so that I can store the data correctly. Sometimes, it's not obvious what it should have been without going back to each corresponding source (if cited). For instance, names beginning "de la something" may follow different preferences and cultural norms. Capitalisation of names stored in a database, as opposed to when they're rendered on the screen or in a report, would be a definite error. It's also probably a different issue to the original one posed here, which I interpreted to be in relation to printed or typescript material. When names are stored correctly -- meaning as they were intended to be used, or as they were recorded in a particular source -- then a printed version of them can employ any style of your choice. Using the other methods of highlighting a name means that you're not changing it in any material way. I responded to this thread because I see this in a global context rather than just in an English-speaking one. Ignoring those contexts where the case of the name is important (and may add 'structure' to the name using "camel case"), there are some alphabets where upper/lower-case are asymmetrical (notably German), and there are other scripts where those concepts have no meaning at all. Tony Proctor ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]>; "Certified Genealogist via" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [TGF] Capitalization of surnames > The question did not seem to define a specific area in which we might > capitalize. It seems the answer could be, it depends. If this is an > article for > a publication that capitalizes, then wouldn't we follow the style for the > publication? Some genealogy society publications capitalize, many > publications > don't. If this is your own personal database or genealogy program, what > difference does it make to anyone else? My probate and Navy FTM files > capitalize > the full name of the decedent or serviceman. This helps me to find him > quickly > in the people index and he stands out on the tree charts. But names are > not > capitalized in the reports. Could it just depend on the circumstance? > > d > > > -- > Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist (sm), Certificate 903 > Forensic Genealogy Services LLC > and Contract Genealogist, US Navy Casualty, POW/MIA Branch > > Mail address - PO Box 1085, Manvel TX 77578 > Telephone/fax 281-595-3090 > www.forensicgenealogyservices.com www.facebook.com/forensicgenealogist > > Certified Genealogist (CG) is a service mark (sm) of the Board for > Certification > of Genealogists®, conferred to > associates who consistently meet ethical and competency standards in > accord with > peer-reviewed evaluations every > five years, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark > Office. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message

I am looking for someone to obtain two death certificates for me. One in Alameda County and one in San Mateo. If you are able to do this, please contact me off list. Regards, Kelvin  Kelvin L. MeyersForensic Genealogist469-964-2151 Office

It's still a material change to the name, and goes against everything we claim for evidential integrity. We get away with it in English names but it falls down for other cultures. As others have said, there are other options nowadays, including bold, italic, underline, different fonts, and different colours. Its use is still widespread but it really came from a time when we used typewriters, or maybe even manuscript, where the other options were either not there, or too onerous. Tony Proctor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peggy Lauritzen via" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 3:10 PM Subject: [TGF] Capitalization of surnames >I am still a great believe in the capitalization of surnames. It may be > outdated, but it is something I recommend to those who are beginning their > genealogy pursuit. > > The examples I use are the number of people that have a first name for a > last name: Elton John, Emma Grace, etc. Right here in my own area, we > have a friend named Ellis Wayne Richard. To me, if they weren't > capitalized, it would be easy to think you haven't found their surname, > and > would always be waiting for the final umph that brings their name to a > close. > > -- > Peggy Clemens Lauritzen, AG > http://alwaysanxiouslyengaged.blogspot.com > AND > http://misspeggy55.weebly.com > *People may never remember what you had to say, but they'll always > remember > how long it took you to say it.* > *Accredited Genealogist and AG are certification marks of the > International > Commission for the Accreditation of Professional Genealogists (ICAPGen). > Genealogists licensed to use the marks have met the competency standards > of > ICAPGen.* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message

It's my understanding that routine use of all caps for surnames in reporting was eventually discouraged because word recognition is slower when all caps is used. As an example, if Question were a surname, QUESTION takes a little more time to analyze than mixed case Question. Bonnie Bonnie Dunphy Kohler Family History Researcher Member, Association of Professional Genealogists Phone: (561) 793-8254 Email: [email protected] Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/bonnie.kohler -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2015 1:00 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TGF] Capitalization of surnames The question did not seem to define a specific area in which we might capitalize. It seems the answer could be, it depends. If this is an article for a publication that capitalizes, then wouldn't we follow the style for the publication? Some genealogy society publications capitalize, many publications don't. If this is your own personal database or genealogy program, what difference does it make to anyone else? My probate and Navy FTM files capitalize the full name of the decedent or serviceman. This helps me to find him quickly in the people index and he stands out on the tree charts. But names are not capitalized in the reports. Could it just depend on the circumstance? d -- Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist (sm), Certificate 903 Forensic Genealogy Services LLC and Contract Genealogist, US Navy Casualty, POW/MIA Branch Mail address - PO Box 1085, Manvel TX 77578 Telephone/fax 281-595-3090 www.forensicgenealogyservices.com www.facebook.com/forensicgenealogist Certified Genealogist (CG) is a service mark (sm) of the Board for Certification of Genealogists®, conferred to associates who consistently meet ethical and competency standards in accord with peer-reviewed evaluations every five years, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dee, I assumed we were discussing work products. I take it for granted that we would follow a journal's style sheet or is for personal work, we can do as we please. Rondina _______________________ Rondina P. Muncy Ancestral Analysis 4008 Linden Avenue Fort Worth, Texas 76107 682.224.6584 [email protected] www.ancestralanalysis.com On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 12:00 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > The question did not seem to define a specific area in which we might > capitalize. It seems the answer could be, it depends. If this is an > article for > a publication that capitalizes, then wouldn't we follow the style for the > publication? Some genealogy society publications capitalize, many > publications > don't. If this is your own personal database or genealogy program, what > difference does it make to anyone else? My probate and Navy FTM files > capitalize > the full name of the decedent or serviceman. This helps me to find him > quickly > in the people index and he stands out on the tree charts. But names are not > capitalized in the reports. Could it just depend on the circumstance? > > d > > > -- > Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist (sm), Certificate 903 > Forensic Genealogy Services LLC > and Contract Genealogist, US Navy Casualty, POW/MIA Branch > > Mail address - PO Box 1085, Manvel TX 77578 > Telephone/fax 281-595-3090 > www.forensicgenealogyservices.com www.facebook.com/forensicgenealogist > > Certified Genealogist (CG) is a service mark (sm) of the Board for > Certification > of Genealogists®, conferred to > associates who consistently meet ethical and competency standards in > accord with > peer-reviewed evaluations every > five years, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark > Office. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Megan, I contacted ProQuest again. As I understand it: 1. 4 March 2015 Migration to new interface using Ancestry's indexing. 2. HQ is still being updated and indexed except for PERSI. 3. The PERSI database within HQ is stagnant as of 2009 as stated. HQ refers to it as an "historical file" like their "historical newspaper collection." So, if you use PERSI through findmypast, you will get images as they come online and an updated database as they complete the catch-up task.. (A complete list of journals whose scanned images are available is on their website.) I am unsure if the Allen County Public Library was indexing the journals between 2009 and February 2014 when the arrangement with findmypast began, but if not, findmypast will catch them up. FGS is lumped into summaries of all this, but they have a very specific goal of working in conjunction with findmypast on a "Society Data Initiative" whose goal is to get society journals online. Although no relationship is explicitly stated with the Allen County Public Library, I would think that one is established by default through findmypast. The link to that information: http://www.findmypast.com/content/persi_finds_new_home_at_findmypast This has been a nice little exercise and I'm glad Patti asked the question. I hope the discussion is useful this evening. Rondina _______________________ Rondina P. Muncy Ancestral Analysis 4008 Linden Avenue Fort Worth, Texas 76107 682.224.6584 [email protected] www.ancestralanalysis.com On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Megan Isely via < [email protected]> wrote: > Emily, > > The HeritageQuest collection of databases is still owned by ProQuest. > As of March 2015 (the 4th, I think it was) HeritageQuest became "powered > by Ancestry" and now uses the searching, indexes, and interface from > Ancestry. There was some unhappiness I saw on the Librarians serving > Genealogists list I subscribe to at the loss of some of the old indexing > and searching that was available on the old HeritageQuest interface. And > it was old--10 if not 15 years old. On the good side was a complete > index to all the censuses, as well as the addition of some additional > census materials and additional materials in some of the other databases. > > ProQuest is an institutional vendor that supplies databases with > information about many subjects to all types of libraries. HeritageQuest > is one of their genealogy databases and they also allow libraries to let > their users use it from home. In Wisconsin (where I am) it is available > to any state resident because it is part of a collection that is > subscribed to at the state level. ProQuest also supplies Ancestry > Library Edition (and libraries can't allow home use of that), Historic > Map Works, Sanborn Maps, and likely others that I'm not thinking of off > the top of my head. Here's a link to some information from ProQuest > http://proquest.libguides.com/genealogy_home > > Megan Isely > La Crosse, WI (a librarian by profession) > > On 5/4/2015 11:48 PM, Emily Garber via wrote: > > I have a question. I am not sure that HeritageQuest was bought out by > > Ancestry. I believe they are using some Ancestry features, but did > > they get bought out? I thought they were still owned by ProQuest. > > > > Emily Garber > > Phoenix, AZ > >

The question did not seem to define a specific area in which we might capitalize. It seems the answer could be, it depends. If this is an article for a publication that capitalizes, then wouldn't we follow the style for the publication? Some genealogy society publications capitalize, many publications don't. If this is your own personal database or genealogy program, what difference does it make to anyone else? My probate and Navy FTM files capitalize the full name of the decedent or serviceman. This helps me to find him quickly in the people index and he stands out on the tree charts. But names are not capitalized in the reports. Could it just depend on the circumstance? d -- Dee Dee King, Certified Genealogist (sm), Certificate 903 Forensic Genealogy Services LLC and Contract Genealogist, US Navy Casualty, POW/MIA Branch Mail address - PO Box 1085, Manvel TX 77578 Telephone/fax 281-595-3090 www.forensicgenealogyservices.com www.facebook.com/forensicgenealogist Certified Genealogist (CG) is a service mark (sm) of the Board for Certification of Genealogists®, conferred to associates who consistently meet ethical and competency standards in accord with peer-reviewed evaluations every five years, and the board name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office.

I am still a great believe in the capitalization of surnames. It may be outdated, but it is something I recommend to those who are beginning their genealogy pursuit. The examples I use are the number of people that have a first name for a last name: Elton John, Emma Grace, etc. Right here in my own area, we have a friend named Ellis Wayne Richard. To me, if they weren't capitalized, it would be easy to think you haven't found their surname, and would always be waiting for the final umph that brings their name to a close. -- Peggy Clemens Lauritzen, AG http://alwaysanxiouslyengaged.blogspot.com AND http://misspeggy55.weebly.com *People may never remember what you had to say, but they'll always remember how long it took you to say it.* *Accredited Genealogist and AG are certification marks of the International Commission for the Accreditation of Professional Genealogists (ICAPGen). Genealogists licensed to use the marks have met the competency standards of ICAPGen.*