Hi Jill, this is Carol on the List - I'm up in sunny Qld!, welcome to Tolpuddle. I think it is worth your while shopping around here amongst us on the List as there are Tolpuddle connections that are not Loveless. However, there are not a lot of us on the List, but you never know.......Good luck with your searching - sorry I can't help personally. Carol Park (Loveless).