Hi David Sorry I called you Mark, why? beats me, I apologize. My ggg grandfather was Robert William Loveless and he was married in St Giles Cripplegate London in 1830. I also hoped that my Robert was Robert the relative mentioned in books about the Tolpuddle Martyrs, but I doubt it. My Robert was born in Bristol Sommerset around 1791. My Robert came to Australia around 1850. David who did you William B 1848 marry? Is the William off Middlesex the Script Reader, wife Margaret, is this your William? >From your email I presume you have done a lot of research so what I have found on in the 1851 & 1881 census you probably already have. Holla if you haven't. They also show up on the IGI. William's father Robert was born around 1810 in Bressingham, Norfolk am I correct? George and James's brother Robert went to Canada and was (I think) unmarried. We have always presumed that George and James's parents were also from Tolpuddle but I have no proof that they were. The first born child John was born in Tolpuddle. If we go back a generation to George and James's dad Thomas, he only had one surviving brother John who is Donna's gggg? grandpappy. Hi Donna! Always remember I could be wrong, you know how easy it is to miss a person, there may be more that we have not found YET and remember I am researching from Australia so it is little difficult to check on things myself. Anyway if you want to know anything or I can help in any way, I'm not far away just over the sea. I will look forward to hearing from you. Bye Irene Howgate nee Loveless of OZ P.S. Remember folks if you need a Loveless/Lovelace lookup, I have the 1851 census for Tolpuddle and Norfolk. The 1881 census for all the counties of England and copies of the IGI 1988 & 1998(thanks to Donna for 1998) for England. I also have lots of strays sent by lovely friendly English folk who know I collect them. At 08:45 10/05/99 +0100, you wrote: >Hi I hope that this is now in the correct format for the Roots web server! > >Hello > >this is my first try at using the forum. Can anyone help? I have a family >line going back via my maternal grandmother to the Loveless family of >Norfolk, UK This family seems to have come from Diss and North Walsham. the >earliest member that we have identified so far is William Alger Loveless >born 1848 died 14 October 1897. He was born of devout Wesleyan parents his >father was Robert Loveless (so far I have no dates) Robert is described as >being an acceptable preacher. William worked initially as a solicitors >clerk but later became a full time quaker minister. There is a a story in >my family that my great Uncle also William Loveless researched the family >history and found a link with the Loveless family of Tolpuddle, >unfortunately his records have been lost. It is known that the Lovelesses >of Tolpuddle were Wesleyans and went on to set up the Church in London >Ontario if my memory is right. Other research suggests that Primitive >Methodism was more usually the spiritual home of farm labourers. I wonder >if this earlier Robert Loveless might just have been the Robert Loveless in >London that was contacted by George Loveless one of the 'Martyrs'. > >Best wishes >David Allen > > >