Hello Barb, In a former life (ie. pre-marriage, pre-motherhood, pre-emmigration etc.) I was a Director of a fledgling LDS FHC in Reading, Berkshire. It was a long time ago, but I do remember some things about the IGI. Looking at the Batch numbers for the two entries - they are all numerical, which indicates that these were submitted by relations of these gentleman/men. I would bet my bottom dollar that my family is responsible for at least one of them (if not both).......my grandmother probably submitted the William Edward Lovelace (her father) and then the 29 Jan 1986 date for Edward Hawkins Lovelace would be the submission from my mother (his granddaughter) before they had confirmation that they were the same person. I do want to make sure that these were not twins - I need to talk to my mother more about this. The dates following the location of the event are LDS ordnance dates which are irrelevant to the dates of christening/birth/ marriage dates. (The initials eg. LD refer to London - where the information was submitted). I hope this helps somewhat. Re: the Australian connection.....I wonder if my Benjamin would be a brother to Marcus Brutus and Charles Fredrick - datewise, he could fit in with a birth of 6 Jan 1824 if there were others between them.....it's so hard resisting the urge to clutch at straws! Mandy ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 04, 1999 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [TOLPUDDLE] Edward Hawkins Lovelace/William Edward Lovelace > Hi Mandy, > Have just looked up my photocopy of the IGI, and you may be right, but there > are two > different call numbers for these gentlemen. > Edward Hawkins Lovelace b (for Born) 20 Dec 1851, Finesbury, Saint Luke > 01 Dec 1955 - 15 Feb 1956 SG - 29 Jan 1986LD > Batch/Film No 8420790 Sheet 80 > > William Edward Lovelace b (for Born) 20 Dec 1851- No church named - > 1 Dec 1955 - 15 Feb 1956 SG - Pre- 1970 - > Batch/Film No 0452016 - Sheet Film. > > I do not know enough about the IGI setup so have just listed what is shown. > The problem with the IGI is that there are not the deaths listed as of > course > that is not the purpose of the lisitings. Perhaps if there was only one > child his name could be William Edward Hawkins Lovelace ??? > > If you have been reading about Long Bredy you will notice Thomas > Lovlass married Elizabeth Matthews there in 1780's, now my Benjamin > Lovelace married Frances Matthews in Wells, Somerset in 1796. > > > Have just been doing some research on the Aussie lines, and found > a Laura Ann Lovelace married William Henry Collins in 1915. > Laura died in 1948 and lo and behold her parents were Marcus Brutus > Lovelace and Mary Ann Watley. From London, England. > Had a squiz at the IGI and Marcus Brutus Lovelace was christened > on the 13 Sep 1835, St Pancras Old Church - parents > John Lovelace and Mary Gaunt. He also had a brother Charles Frederick > Lovelace, christened 25 Jul 1832 at the same church. > > Regards Barb Lewis.