Hi Mandy, Have just looked up my photocopy of the IGI, and you may be right, but there are two different call numbers for these gentlemen. Edward Hawkins Lovelace b (for Born) 20 Dec 1851, Finesbury, Saint Luke 01 Dec 1955 - 15 Feb 1956 SG - 29 Jan 1986LD Batch/Film No 8420790 Sheet 80 William Edward Lovelace b (for Born) 20 Dec 1851- No church named - 1 Dec 1955 - 15 Feb 1956 SG - Pre- 1970 - Batch/Film No 0452016 - Sheet Film. I do not know enough about the IGI setup so have just listed what is shown. The problem with the IGI is that there are not the deaths listed as of course that is not the purpose of the lisitings. Perhaps if there was only one child his name could be William Edward Hawkins Lovelace ??? If you have been reading about Long Bredy you will notice Thomas Lovlass married Elizabeth Matthews there in 1780's, now my Benjamin Lovelace married Frances Matthews in Wells, Somerset in 1796. Have just been doing some research on the Aussie lines, and found a Laura Ann Lovelace married William Henry Collins in 1915. Laura died in 1948 and lo and behold her parents were Marcus Brutus Lovelace and Mary Ann Watley. From London, England. Had a squiz at the IGI and Marcus Brutus Lovelace was christened on the 13 Sep 1835, St Pancras Old Church - parents John Lovelace and Mary Gaunt. He also had a brother Charles Frederick Lovelace, christened 25 Jul 1832 at the same church. Regards Barb Lewis. -----Original Message----- From: John O. Andersen <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Saturday, 4 September 1999 6:33 PM Subject: [TOLPUDDLE] Edward Hawkins Lovelace/William Edward Lovelace >Barb - I called my mother last night with some of the information you sent >to me, that I felt was news to her. She told me that Edward Hawkins >Lovelace and William Edward Lovelace were the same person. I forgot to >suggest to her that there may have been a twin, but as this was her >grandfather, I feel inclined to accept her thoughts. I will broach the >subject the next time we talk. >Mary Ann Lovelace WAS news! (so maybe a twin might not be out of the >question?....) Thank you so much for the information. > >Mandy Andersen >