Martin - I share your frustration in that at times after all the research we have done - nothing helps. I have a current subscription to the 1837 online and will try a search for William Henry Loveless. Will let you know what I find out. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Willcocks" <martinwill2@comcast.net> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 4:47 PM Subject: [TOL] LOVELESS in Hampshire > Hi All, > > Welcome Jon and Andrew. Since we have new members, I'd like to take the > opportunity to re-post my Hampshire LOVELESS names. I'd greatly > appreciate any information that could help me find their connections and > ancestry. > > 1. William Henry LOVELESS, b. abt. 1854, aboard HMS Terror in 1881, age > 27, M, occ. Capt. Qr. Deck, (sex > transcribed as 'F' though obviously an error,) b. Portsea, > Hampshire, England. > + Mary J(ane) MAY, b. abt. 1857, at 15 Malta Rd., Portsea, > Hampshire, England, age 24, M, occ: seaman's wife, > b. Southsea, Hampshire. > At same address in 1881: > Grace MAY, chr. 12 Jun 1859 St. Mary's, Portsea, Hampshire, > England, sister, age 22, U, occ. dressmaker, > b. Southsea, Hampshire, England. (known to be my great-aunt.) > William Henry LOVELESS, son, b. Sep Qtr 1876, Portsea, Hampshire, > England 2b 475, age 5, U, scholar, > b. Southsea, Hampshire, England. > Mary G. LOVELESS, daur., b. Jun Qtr 1880, Portsea, Hampshire, > England, 2b 523, age 1, U, b. Southsea, > Hampshire, England, d. Mar Qtr 1888, Portsea, Hampshire, > England 2n 305, age 7. > > Possible marriage of William H. LOVELESS (jr.) > Marriages Dec 1901: William Henry LOVELESS Portsmouth 2b 1068, to one > of: Ada May COUSINS or Maude > WEBB. Cousins is more likely since there is a middle name > Cousins in my family, suggesting a Cousins relation. > > Possible child of this marriage: > Births Dec 1908 William Henry V LOVELESS, Portsmouth 2b 367 > > Areas of research that have proved difficult: > FreeBMD is incomplete, and shows no births yet for William Henry > LOVELESS (sr.) which would be about 1854. If anyone with access to > 1837online could look him up this would be helpful, as I also have no > baptism for him, and no idea who his parents were, nor any siblings. > > Marriages Dec 1875: > LOVELESS, William Henry and MAY, Mary Jane, Portsea, Hampshire 2b 841. > This confirms their marriage and Mary's middle name Jane. Both birth > and death of their daughter confirms her name was May Grace LOVELESS, > not Mary G as in the 1881 census. I have no parish records for Portsea > that show either Mary Jane MAY's baptism, nor her marriage to William > Henry LOVELESS. I also have no baptism records for their children. If > anyone has these people in their family line, and has obtained > certificates, I would appreciate the details given on them. If they are > in your family, and you have not obtained certificates, my plan is to > buy a number of them in June-July when we are able to visit the FRC > directly. > > I have a few census details of possibly related Hampshire LOVELESS > families, there were probably three or four families in the Portsea area > in the 1880-1901 period, but as I don't know William Henry's parentage, > I don't know in what way they may be related. Nobody on the TOLPUDDLE, > LOVELESS or LOVELACE lists has yet come up with any relationship to > these Hampshire families. I have no known connection to Dorset or U.S. > LOVELESS families. This is not a brick wall, rather a 6 ft. stone wall!!! > > Any help appreciated > Regards > Martin Willcocks > Taylorsville, UT, USA. > > > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > >

Martin - it appears that my subscription to 1837 online has expired and I will not be renewing. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna King" <emily04@rogers.com> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [TOL] LOVELESS in Hampshire > Martin - I share your frustration in that at times after all the research we > have done - nothing helps. > > I have a current subscription to the 1837 online and will try a search for > William Henry Loveless. Will let you know what I find out. > > Donna > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Martin Willcocks" <martinwill2@comcast.net> > To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 4:47 PM > Subject: [TOL] LOVELESS in Hampshire > > > > Hi All, > > > > Welcome Jon and Andrew. Since we have new members, I'd like to take the > > opportunity to re-post my Hampshire LOVELESS names. I'd greatly > > appreciate any information that could help me find their connections and > > ancestry. > > > > 1. William Henry LOVELESS, b. abt. 1854, aboard HMS Terror in 1881, age > > 27, M, occ. Capt. Qr. Deck, (sex > > transcribed as 'F' though obviously an error,) b. Portsea, > > Hampshire, England. > > + Mary J(ane) MAY, b. abt. 1857, at 15 Malta Rd., Portsea, > > Hampshire, England, age 24, M, occ: seaman's wife, > > b. Southsea, Hampshire. > > At same address in 1881: > > Grace MAY, chr. 12 Jun 1859 St. Mary's, Portsea, Hampshire, > > England, sister, age 22, U, occ. dressmaker, > > b. Southsea, Hampshire, England. (known to be my great-aunt.) > > William Henry LOVELESS, son, b. Sep Qtr 1876, Portsea, Hampshire, > > England 2b 475, age 5, U, scholar, > > b. Southsea, Hampshire, England. > > Mary G. LOVELESS, daur., b. Jun Qtr 1880, Portsea, Hampshire, > > England, 2b 523, age 1, U, b. Southsea, > > Hampshire, England, d. Mar Qtr 1888, Portsea, Hampshire, > > England 2n 305, age 7. > > > > Possible marriage of William H. LOVELESS (jr.) > > Marriages Dec 1901: William Henry LOVELESS Portsmouth 2b 1068, to one > > of: Ada May COUSINS or Maude > > WEBB. Cousins is more likely since there is a middle name > > Cousins in my family, suggesting a Cousins relation. > > > > Possible child of this marriage: > > Births Dec 1908 William Henry V LOVELESS, Portsmouth 2b 367 > > > > Areas of research that have proved difficult: > > FreeBMD is incomplete, and shows no births yet for William Henry > > LOVELESS (sr.) which would be about 1854. If anyone with access to > > 1837online could look him up this would be helpful, as I also have no > > baptism for him, and no idea who his parents were, nor any siblings. > > > > Marriages Dec 1875: > > LOVELESS, William Henry and MAY, Mary Jane, Portsea, Hampshire 2b 841. > > This confirms their marriage and Mary's middle name Jane. Both birth > > and death of their daughter confirms her name was May Grace LOVELESS, > > not Mary G as in the 1881 census. I have no parish records for Portsea > > that show either Mary Jane MAY's baptism, nor her marriage to William > > Henry LOVELESS. I also have no baptism records for their children. If > > anyone has these people in their family line, and has obtained > > certificates, I would appreciate the details given on them. If they are > > in your family, and you have not obtained certificates, my plan is to > > buy a number of them in June-July when we are able to visit the FRC > > directly. > > > > I have a few census details of possibly related Hampshire LOVELESS > > families, there were probably three or four families in the Portsea area > > in the 1880-1901 period, but as I don't know William Henry's parentage, > > I don't know in what way they may be related. Nobody on the TOLPUDDLE, > > LOVELESS or LOVELACE lists has yet come up with any relationship to > > these Hampshire families. I have no known connection to Dorset or U.S. > > LOVELESS families. This is not a brick wall, rather a 6 ft. stone wall!!! > > > > Any help appreciated > > Regards > > Martin Willcocks > > Taylorsville, UT, USA. > > > > > > > > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > > > > > > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > >