Malcom - Welcome again to the Tolpuddle Mailing List The following is the information that I have on Francis Harold Loveless. Francis was the son of Robert Loveless who was brother to William Loveless - which is my 3X great-grandfather on my maternal side. Baptism recorded in Tolpuddle Parish Register 1873 August 17th - Francis Harold son of, Robert and Esther, Loveless, Tolpuddle, Mason, by George L. Vicar Listed as being 11 years of age on the 1851 census. Occupation listed as Mason on baptism sheet for Francis Harold Loveless. 1881 Census - Tolpuddle, Dorset, England LOVELESS, Robert Christening Gender: Male Christening Date: 8 Mar 1840 Recorded in: Tolpuddle, Dorset, England Father: Edward LOVELESS Mother: Ann Source: FHL Film 1239251 Dates: 1825 - 1847 Baptism transcribed from Baptisms 1838-1996 - Tolpuddle Parish Registers - Dorchester Record Office 8 Mar. 1840 - Robert - s/o - Edward - Ann - Tolpuddle, Dorset 1851 Census - Tolpuddle, Dorset, England Loveless Robert - 11 - Y - 1840 - Tolpuddle Dorset England Tolpuddle 1858 308 0 1881 Census - Moreton, Dorset, England Dwelling: Village Census Place: Moreton, Dorset, England Source: FHL Film 1341507 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2102 Folio 131 Page 6 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Robert LOVELESS M 41 M Tolpuddle, Dorset, England Rel: Head Occ: Bricklayer Esther LOVELESS M 46 F Tolpuddle, Dorset, England Rel: Wife James S. LOVELESS U 14 M Tolpuddle, Dorset, England Rel: Son Occ: Bricklayers Lab Alice L. LOVELESS 11 F Tolpuddle, Dorset, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Francis H. LOVELESS 7 M Tolpuddle, Dorset, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar William H. LOVELESS 6 M Moreton, Dorset, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar I have no record of a Percival Roland Loveless on my family tree. Donna King List Owner Tolpuddle/Cannell Mailing Lists deking@rogers.com LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs Donna's Genealogy Page http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Park/3288 We could learn a lot from crayons: some are sharp, some are pretty, some are dull, some have weird names, and all are different colors...but they all have to learn to live in the same box. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Malcolm Tarrant" <mtarrant@onetel.net.uk> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [TOL] Loveless of Tolpuddle > Hi Rob > > I have recently purchased the birth certificate for my grandmother, Evelyn > Ethel Loveless and her father is recorded as James Samson Loveless so I am > reasonable confident of the relationship although it remains for me to > obtain my grandmother's marriage and death certificate and a good quality > copy of my mother's birth certificate to make absolutely sure of my claims. > Therefore subject to any unforseen shocks, I believe we are second cousins > having common gt. gt. grandparents and common gt uncles/aunts. > > It's my guess that the sons of Robert Loveless and Esther Sansom moved from > the sticks into the Bournemouth district circa 1890. Bournemouth was still a > new > and fast growing town at the end of the 19th century so it's not > unreasonable to guess that the Loveless boys moved from the sticks to find > work. > > On seeing you response, I made a search for GRO indexes to BMD on the > website FreeBMD, searching on your gt. grandfather and grandfather names > which successfully returned a possible birth and marriage index for Francis > Harold Loveless and a possible birth index for your grandfather, Percival > Roland Loveless. It is also possible to retrieve an index for a possible > wife for > Frances (2 choices available). Let me know if you want the detail (you may > want the fun of searching for yourself). > > At one time my gran (Evelyn Ethel Loveless aka Ethel) lived with her spouse > and children in several locations in Bournemouth, one of these being Markham > Rd, Charminster not far from Alma Road. Their last home was adjacent to > Normans Garage in Walisdown opposite the recreation ground (this has long > been knocked down and used as extra forecourt for the garage). Also Rob, if > you know Alma Road, you may be familiar with these landmarks, Winton Rec, > the Continental Cinema (now knocked down) and Stokewood Rd Swimming Baths > (the old wash rooms). > > Anyway goodbye for now, hope to hear from you or anyone else on the list who > has any info on the Loveless families in Bournmouth 1890 onwards who have > Robert Loveless and Esther Sansom as their ancestors. > > Malcolm > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob Loveless" <rob.loveless@ntlworld.com> > To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 11:31 PM > Subject: RE: [TOL] Loveless of Tolpuddle > > > > Hi Malcolm & the rest of the list, > > > > I joined the list some time ago but lost track when my old PC died before > I > > could rescue info on it. I have, however followed the trail of Emails that > > continued as my address didn't change. > > > > It was reading the info below that prompted this reply, & has pushed me > back > > to 'getting my self together' & trying to do my family tree. So re-intro's > > at the ready. > > > > My name is Robert Loveless & I believe that I am from the line of John > > Loveless & Thomasin Gould (M 1746) > > > > Working backwards I have my father, William John (1920-1994,who married my > > > mother, who is still living, in 1960. > > His father was Percival Roland Loveless (B189?) & was married to Ethel > > Victoria Cox. > > They had 4 children, 2 surviving. > > His father was Francis Harold Loveless (B1873) > > & here joins a well documented tree as found on the web. > > > > So far all I have is a hand written/drawn tree that was given to me by my > > father (from JL & TG in 1746 to present), some odds from his brother & > > sister (not much help here) but a photo of me at about age 2 with my great > > grand father, one Francis Harold Loveless. Also I know my grand mother & > > father had a house in Alma Road, Winton, Bournemouth. I remember this > house > > well & is said to be were the photo with my G. grandfather was taken. Not > a > > million miles away from Malcolm's Boscombe address below? > > > > This has become a project now for me to give me Mum something as a > finished > > article & also so my children can see their history. > > > > To that end, any help as to how I go about this, what software is going to > > be best etc, is going to be very gratefully accepted. > > > > looking forward to your replies > > > > Rob > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: eye [mailto:eye22@bigpond.com] > > Sent: 11 February 2004 11:54 > > To: TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [TOL] Loveless of Tolpuddle > > > > > > Hi Malcolm > > The children I have for Robert Loveless and Esther Samson (have seen her > > also as Ellen Samson) are > > Amelia Jane Bapt 15 Jan 1865 > > James Samson Loveless Bapt 12 Apr 1867 Tolpuddle > > Alice Laura Loveless I have two dates for Alice perhaps the first is her > > birth, perhaps one is wrong B 25 Jul 1869. & Bapt 15 Jan 1870 > > Francis Harold Bapt 17 Aug 1878 Tolpuddle > > William H Bapt 1877 > > I presume that all the children would have been baptised in Tolpuddle, I > > have record of the family living in Moreton Dorset in one of the census's, > I > > think it is 1871, will check. > > Records of these baptisms are in the Tolpuddle Bishops Transcripts, in the > > records full names of the both parents are listed, Robert Loveless and > > Esther Samson, Robert's occupation is listed as a Mason.. > > Robert Loveless Bapt 3 Mar 1840 is the son of Edward Loveless and Ann > > Bartlett. > > As you know this is also Donna's family tree and Jackie Keck's (Hi > girls!!) > > and if anyone else, sorry I forget. > > Edward is the son of William Loveless and Jane Hoare. > > William is the son of John Loveless and Judith Hibbs and this is your > > connection to the Tolpuddle Martyrs, John is the Uncle of George and James > > the TM's, he is the brother of Thomas Loveless TM Dad. > > Is that clear as mud or what:-))) > > Please correct me if I got that wrong girls, other than the dates, I ran > it > > off my head. > > So Malcolm to be sure that your granny Evelyn Ethel May Loveless is the > > daughter of James Samson Loveless shouldn't be hard. You would get that > from > > her birth certificate. > > I have not typed out the whole tree because as you said Donna has it on > the > > net. > > I hope this is a help to you. > > Bye for now > > Irene > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Malcolm Tarrant" <mtarrant@onetel.net.uk> > > To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 1:16 PM > > Subject: [TOL] Loveless of Tolpuddle > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > As I am new to the mailing list, I thought it proper that I introduce > > myself > > > and announce my interest in the Loveless family and the Tolpuddle > Martyrs. > > > > > > Well I'm Malcolm Tarrant living in Ipswich, Suffolk, England and I have > > > started researching the claim that my grandmother was related to the > > > Tolpuddle Martyrs. (I have heard this said since I was a lad!) > > > > > > It's early days in my research and I am currently verifying information > > that > > > my maternal grandmother, Evelyn Ethel May Loveless (born 1906) married > > Cyril > > > William Augustus Ford (1927) who I believe was the daughter of James > > Sansom > > > Loveless and Ann Sarah Berrett living at 7 Portman Road, Boscombe, > > > Bournemouth, England during the 1901 census. I also have a strong > > suspicion > > > that this James Sansom Loveless is the child of Robert Loveless and > Ester > > > Sansom (Descendants of John Loveless - published on the internet by > Donna > > > King). > > > > > > A William Loveless married to Frances is also recorded as living at 7 > > > Portman Road, I suspect that he is the brother of James Sansom Loveless > > who > > > is shown as a child of Robert Loveless and Ester Sansom (Descendants of > > John > > > Loveless - published on the internet by Donna King). > > > > > > The occupation of James and William Loveless is recorded as Carpenters > in > > > the 1901 census. > > > > > > In support of this my father talks of the Loveless family in Portland > > Road, > > > Boscombe (which I suspect is Portman Road) and he also names Archie and > > Maud > > > Loveless who appear as children of James Sansom Loveless in the 1901 > > census. > > > He also tells me that Maud Loveless looked after my Mother(deceased) for > a > > > short period when she was a child. > > > > > > So I would welcome any help in my efforts to establish whether my > > > grandmother is linked to the Loveless family of Tolpuddle and the > > Tolpuddle > > > Martyrs and any help in verifying my suspicion that James Sansom > Loveless > > is > > > the son of Robert Loveless. > > > > > > Now it's time to go to bed (it's 2am here in the UK) so Goodnight or > > should > > > it be Good Morning to you all! > > > > > > > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > > > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > > > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > > > > > > > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > > > > > > > > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > > > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs >