Hi Donna and all: My main thrust was Captain Loveless, who, I hasten to add, was in Brighton, Sussex, in 1809. The MAY (not WAY) family were also firmly in Brighton, Sussex for the entire 18th century into the mid-19th century, with many baptism and marriage records at St. Nicholas, Brighton. My point was that since these two families once lived in Sussex, there could have been some precursors to Mary Jane MAY marrying William Henry LOVELESS in Portsea, Hampshire, in 1875. Mary Jane was my great-aunt. And, if you remember, my question was, "Who was Captain Loveless?" Having no first name does not help! Also, I have yet to find anyone who knows William Henry LOVELESS's parents. The only information I have about his age comes from the 1881 census, but as he was born in about 1854 his birth should have been registered (who knows, many were not at that time!) I haven't found a baptism record either. FreeBMD has only 10% of births for 1854 (P-Z, Sep) and only 25% of 1880 births transcribed so far. I have precisely two pieces of information about him - he was 27 in the 1881 census, aboard HMS Terror, and his marriage was in Portsea, 2b 841, in the last quarter of 1875. I only know of two children: 1. William Henry LOVELESS b. SepQtr 1876, Portsea 2b 485, who probably was the one married DecQtr 1901 Portsea 2b 1068 to Ada May Cousins or Maude Webb. They may be the parents of William Henry V LOVELESS, b. DecQtr 1908 Portsmouth 2b 367. 2. May Grace LOVELESS, b. JunQtr 1880 Portsea 2b 523, d. MarQtr 1888, age 7, Portsea 2b 305. If anyone has access to 1837online or similar, or to Portsea parish records, other than the IGI, which I've already searched and the FreeBMD site which has no updates beyond the ones mentioned here, I'd appreciate lookups, please. I am planning to obtain certificates for these among some other records that are critical to my research, but can't afford to spend large amounts of money on these till the new system comes into force for less expensive "short" certs. More important, though, if anyone on this list has a direct connection to LOVELESS in Hampshire or possibly in Sussex, I'd like the details, to see if they connect to my line. BTW the May Grace birth IS on the images, but not yet transcribed, so I'll submit the LOVELESS entries from that page. Also here are some pages: Mar 1880 = 1880b1-333; Jun 1880 = 1880b2-348; no others for _any_ names in 1880 Sep or Dec Qtr.. Regards Martin Willcocks Taylorsville, UT, USA. --------------- Donna wrote: Martin - if it is Way vice May then myself, Jacki and Jo all have Ways in our family tree. Martin - sorry I have no Mays in my family tree. Does anybody else have anything on the MAY family. --------------- Lesley wrote: I have seen the name May in my research over the time I have been looking to Loveless's In my records and Irenes John older brother of martyrs married a Way.I actually have written down from 10 years ago when I went to Dorchester it looked as if it was Way or May to me. ===============