YO DONNA! I have another child born to John Loveless and Judith Hibbs I found Elias bapt 15/6/1783 buried 17/8/1783 and I found the dates for John (older sibling) as Bapt 24/12/1780 Buried 13/4/1781. This came from Tolpuddle Records in Dorsetshire. Also it says that the marriage date for John and Judith was 5/3/1774. I am going to order the Tolpuddle films as soon as I get time and have a good look for myself. Also while I'm here is Bob Copeland subscribed to this list? HEY BOB YOU IN HERE! I found your connection to the Tolpuddle Martyrs. Oh before I go, Donna why do your finish your email "Donna King oldest Loveless ancestor John Loveless born circa 1831 Tolpuddle, Dorset" We did get you back to John and Thomasina didn't we? Well they married 21 Mar 1746. Bye Eye Donna King oldest Loveless ancestor John Loveless born circa 1831 Tolpuddle, Dorset