Hi Donna: Thanks for your welcome letter. Seeing all the US traffic on the LOVELACE list, I was becoming more than a little discouraged in my efforts to find anyone at all with English LOVELESS roots. Since LOVELESS is a "twig" on my tree, I can't contribute anything to the Y-DNA testing they are all so rapturous about! You did not mention whether your 1875 William Henry was from Hampshire or somewhere else. As you will see from my previous post, the Portsea area of Hampshire is where my family connections are thickest. My father went to Portsmouth Grammar School, for example, and my William Henry MAY and William Henry LOVELESS were both his uncles. I never found a marriage for his Aunt Grace MAY, who lived with her married sister in 1881. Since I have NO previous generations of the LOVELESS family of interest as yet, I also have no way of reaching back to the Tolpuddle martyrs, nor into Dorset, nor to people who emigrated to America in the 1600's. In fact, almost without exception, I haven't found any of my family lines back much before the early 1700's. My WILLCOCKS line came from Devon, but even there the father of Robert WILLCOCKS b. 1764 is an open question, as there were several possibilities, and no census data etc. to help. On my maternal side, I have KING relatives way back in Kent, in the region around Woodchurch. We could possibly connect there. Regards Martin Willcocks Taylorsville, UT, USA.