Martin - Welcome to the Tolpuddle Mailing List. My name is Donna King and I'm the List Manager. The Tolpuddle List was set up for the research of the Loveless/Lovelace name in England, Canada, and Australia. Also for the research of the Tolpuddle Martyrs and descendents of the other surnames that are connected to the Loveless and Lovelace names. This list is a small in numbers compared to some other Mailing Lists but the people who subcribe to this list are friendly and caring. Funnies are allowed on this list but must not be offensive. Reference your email below I'm not sure if my Lovelesses are connected to yours. I do have a William Henry Loveless but he was born 1875 and his parents were Robert and Esther Loveless. I will review your email more thoroughly to see if any of my family connects. Can anyone else help Martin? Irene?? Hope everyone in Canada had a good Canada Day on Thursday. Mine was very quiet. I'm getting my feet wet at school and I have three more weeks to finish and tied up loose ends for my military life. Take care all, Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Willcocks" <martinwill2@comcast.net> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 7:03 PM Subject: [TOL] Posting LOVELESS interests > Hi All: > > I am new to this list, but Greg Lovelace has suggested I try my query > here, as LOVELESS apparently has connections to the Tolpuddle martyrs. > My LOVELESS connections are in Hampshire, though, and as they are only > in the 1881 and 1891 censuses so far I have only one known connected > family - the others may be, but since I haven't found parents etc., I > don't yet know. Hence my enquiry. Please check all the names below if > you have LOVELESS connections: > > In the 1881 census for Portsea, Hampshire, my immediate relative (a > great-uncle by marriage) is William Henry LOVELESS: > > Dwelling: 15 Malta Road Census Place: Portsea, Hampshire, England > Mary J. LOVELESS M 24 Head F Southsea, Hampshire, England (nee MAY) > Seaman's wife (Mary Jane) > Wiulliam H. LOVELESS - 5 Son M Southsea, Hampshire, England Scholar > (should be William Henry) > Mary G. LOVELESS - 1 Daur F Southsea, Hampshire, England (may be May Grace) > Grace MAY U 22 Sister F Southsea, Hampshire, England Dressmaker > (my great aunt) > (William Henry LOVELESS b. SepQ 1876 Portsea) > > William Henry LOVELESS, 27, (Mary's husband) was aboard HMS Terror, as > was Mary's younger brother, William Henry MAY, 18. > > Vessel: "Terror" > Census Place: Royal Navy, At sea or in a foreign port. > Source: FHL Film 1342354 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5633 Folio > 127 Page 10 > William H. LOVELESS M 27 F Portsea, Hampshire, England > Occ: Capt Qr Deck > Also on HMS Terror: > Vessel: "Terror" > Census Place: Royal Navy, At sea or in a foreign port. > Source: FHL Film 1342354 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5633 Folio > 124 Page 4 > William H. MAY U 18 M Portsmouth, Hampshire, England > Occ: Ships Stewards Asst > William MAY got married some years after this: > Marriages Dec 1887 > MAY William Henry Alverstoke 2b 1012a > DOLING Kate Emily Alverstoke 2b 1012a > > From FreeBMD, William Henry LOVELESS married Mary Jane MAY in DecQtr > 1875, and William Henry LOVELESS jr. was born in SepQtr 1876. Mary > Grace LOVELESS is not yet in FreeBMD, but I suspect a date in 1880. She > appears to be May Grace LOVELESS, who died age 7 in MarQtr 1888. > Considering the close relationship between Grace MAY and Mary Jane > LOVELESS, it would hardly be surprising that she would name her daughter > May Grace, although Mary Grace also possible, depending on where the > transcription error occurred.. > William Henry LOVELESS (jr.) apparently survived and married: > > William Henry LOVELESS (2) m. Ada May COUSINS or Maude WEBB DecQ 1901 > Portsmouth 2b 1068. Because of the MAY surname and a possible COUSINS > connection in the WILLCOCKS side (Thomas Cousins WILLCOCKS), I favour > Ada May COUSINS, but obviously need a sanity check here. (May have to > get the cert.) > Finally, they had a son: William Henry V. LOVELESS b. DecQ 1908 > Portsmouth 2b 367 > > Mary Jane's other sister was my grandmother, Alice Ann MAY, by 1881 a > WILLCOCKS, living with her father William MAY and my father: > Dwelling: 9 York St > Census Place: Portsea, Hampshire, England > Source: FHL Film 1341283 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 1156 Folio > 75 Page 28 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > William MAY M 59 M Brighton, Sussex, England (my > great grandfather) > Rel: Head Occ: Labourer Shipbuilding Dock Yard > Alice A. WILLCOCKS M 20 F Portsmouth, Hampshire, England > (my grandmother) > Rel: Daur Occ: Seamans Wife > Edmund W. WILLCOCKS 5 m M Portsmouth, Hampshire, England > (my father) > Rel: Grandson > Mary BROWN M 22 F Portsmouth, Hampshire, England > Rel: Visitor Occ: Seamans Wife > > Marriages Mar 1880 (this was at St. Mary's Portsea, 6 Feb 1880) > MAY Alice Ann Portsea 2b 609 > WILLCOCKS Edmund Squire Portsea 2b 609 > > I searched FreeBMD and IGI for William H. Loveless, but there appear to > be no births prior to 1852 on FreeBMD yet (only one then) and no William > H in 1854! Also, found no christenings in IGI for William H. LOVELESS > in 1853-4. So no parents. > > I did find evidence of at least five LOVELESS families in Portsea, > Hampshire, and expect that some will turn out to be connected. To allow > others to link to them, I'm including them in this posting, but as I > have no definite relationship to them, much ill depend on whether or not > they have common ancestry with William H. I haven't been able to get > any results for 1871 (Hampshire not indexed) or 1861 (same reason) but > perhaps someone can find them in 1851 (too early for William H, though!) > > 1881: > Dwelling Garden Lane Ridge Cott Census Place Portsea, Hampshire, > England > James H. LOVELESS Head M Male 65 Portsea, Hampshire, England > Plasterer > Mary LOVELESS Wife M Female 46 Dinton, Wiltshire, England Laundress > James H. LOVELESS Son U Male 18 Ridge, Wiltshire, England Plasterer > Ellen F. LOVELESS Daur U Female 17 Landport, Hampshire, England > Milliner > Laura M. LOVELESS Daur U Female 12 Southsea, Hampshire, England > Scholar > Charley J. LOVELESS Son U Male 11 Southsea, Hampshire, England > Scholar > Minnie K. LOVELESS Daur U Female 8 Southsea, Hampshire, England > Scholar > Lilley A. LOVELESS Daur U Female 6 Southsea, Hampshire, England > Scholar > William T. LOVELESS Son U Male 3 Southsea, Hampshire, England > These being the only connections to Wiltshire that I know of, but there > were several LOVELESS families all living in the Portsmouth area of > Hampshire in the late 1800's: > > in 1891 they are: > Garden Lane, Bridge Cottage, Landport, Portsea, Hampshire > (based on above, it could have been Ridge Cottage) > Mary Loveless, Head, Widow, 55, Laundress, Portsmouth Hants > (b. 1836 bef. registration began) (Widow of James in 1881 above.) > Ellen F do, Daughter, S, 26, do, do do (b. 1865, not in FreeBMD) > Elizh M do, do, S, 22, do, do do (b. 1869, not in FreeBMD) > Minnie K do, do, S, 18, do, do do (b. 1873 - Minnie Kate SepQtr 1872) > Lily A do, do, S, 16, do, do do (b. 1875 - Lily Alice DecQtr 1874) > Wm Tho do, Son, , 13, Gardener, do do (b, 1878 - William Thomas SepQtr > 1877) > > Charley John was also in FreeBMD. > > 1881: > Dwelling 29 Wells St Census Place Portsea, Hampshire, England > George LOVELESS Head M Male 35 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England > Plasterer > Amelia LOVELESS Wife M Female 32 Portsmouth, Hampshire, > England > Amelia LOVELESS Daur Female 10 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England > Scholar > Emma LOVELESS Daur Female 8 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Scholar > George LOVELESS Son Male 6 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Scholar > Henry LOVELESS Son Male 4 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Scholar > Ellen LOVELESS Daur Female 2 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England > Alfred LOVELESS Son Male 4 m Portsmouth, Hampshire, England > (22 Jan 1870 in IGI, George Stephen LOVELESS m. Amelia CUSS MarQ 1870 > Portsea 2b 476) > > 1881: > Dwelling 3 Town St. Census Place Portsea, Hampshire, England > Henry LOVELESS Head M Male 34 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Iron > Driller H M Dk Yd > Martha LOVELESS Wife M Female 33 Portsmouth, Hampshire, > England > Mary LOVELESS Daur Female 9 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Scholar > Henry LOVELESS Son Male 6 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Scholar > George LOVELESS Son Male 3 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England > > These are in 1891 but don't know relationships: > 37 Clarence St, Kingston, Portsea, Hampshire > Mary Loveless, Head, Widow, 73, Living on own means, Hants Portsea (b. > 1818) > Ellen do, Daur, S, 31, Corset Maker, do Landport (b. 1860, not in FreeBMD) > Celia do, Do, S, 29, do, do (b. 1862, not in FreeBMD) > > Also a BURRIDGE family related to the LOVELESS family by marriage: > 61 Up Church Road, Landport, Portsea, Hampshire > Charles Burridge, Head, M, 43, Skilled Labourer (Torpedoes) (Ships > Stores), Hants Cosham > Ellen L do, Wife, M, 38, do Portsmouth (Ellen Louisa b. JunQtr 1852) > Charles W do, Son, S, 15, Shop Boy, do do > George H do, Son, 12, Scholar, do do > Alfred J do, Son, 11, do, do do > Ernest F J do, Son, 9, do, do do > Albert V L do, Son, 5, do, do do > Fearless B J do, Daug, 4, do, do do > Arthur F H do, Son, 2, do, do do > William Loveless, Wife's Father, Widr, 81, Past Work, Hants Portsmouth > (b. 1810) > > Both William b.1810 and Mary b. 1818 ought to be in the 1851 census in > different families, since the oldest children are still youngsters or > born after 1851. The 1861 is really the most likely to provide more > clues, but without an index I despair of being able to find out more. > Charles Burridge and Ellen Louisa Loveless are in both IGI and FreeBMD > Charles BURRIDGE married Ellen Louisa LOVELESS married at St. Mary's, > Portsea, 26 Mar 1873. > > 26 Aug 1866 John LOVELESS m. Georgina PAYNE St. Mary's Portsea, SepQ > 1866 Portsea 2b 699 (no sign in 1881 or 1891 census) > 18 Jul 1875 Susan Charlotte LOVELESS m. Charles WHITE St. Mary's, rec. > SepQ 1875 Portsea 2b 682. (haven't looked them up yet in 1881.) > > I would like to hear from someone if they have any ties, however remote, > to any of these families. This is the extent of my research so far. > > Regards > Martin Willcocks > Taylorsville, UT, USA. > > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs >