Hello Ann, Was your James Loveless the son of Thomas & Margaret Davis & brother of John or som of another Thomas from Piddletrenthide? Am getting more & more confused with this family! Cheers Dawn

Hi Dawn Yes I believe that James was the son of Thomas Loveless and Margaret Davies and the brother of John. In my earlier posting I was getting confused and what I meant to say was James married to his fourth wife Mary Cobb in Coombe Keynes 1776 and all the Loveless decendants are attributed to their son John Loveless/Hannah Baker in that village. regards Ann

Hello all. The following URL is very interesting. http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/ Donna King

Hi Irene Got over excited with the keyboard and all James Loveless wives, what I meant to write was James Loveless and his fourth wife Mary Cobb and their John (b1782) who married Hannah Baker. Regards Ann

Hi Ann Is your John the son of James Loveless and Betty Dover or James and his fourth wife Mary Cobb. I have Betty (Jones, Dover) Loveless dying in 1771 and James marrying Mary Cobb in 1776. James and Mary had a son bapt 21 Jul 1782 and married Hannah Baker, is this your John? I have a good friend who descends from this line and have corresponded with many more. Look forward to hearing more Irene ----- Original Message ----- From: <GIULIOG@aol.com> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 6:29 AM Subject: Re: [TOL] James Loveless (b.1720), son of Thomas and Margaret > Hi everyone - anyone! > > Further to recent info, I believe I am connected to James Loveless - Betty > Dover through their son John b 1782 in Coombe Keynes to my Farther who was > born in London 1912 > If any one has any or wants any further info regarding this strand I would be > pleased > to hear from you. > > Regards > > Ann > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs >

Hi everyone - anyone! Further to recent info, I believe I am connected to James Loveless - Betty Dover through their son John b 1782 in Coombe Keynes to my Farther who was born in London 1912 If any one has any or wants any further info regarding this strand I would be pleased to hear from you. Regards Ann

----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Smith" <marysmith208@yahoo.co.uk> To: <lovelxxx@iredell.net> Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 11:21 PM Subject: Query from Lovelace web site : Lovelace of Ireland > Can anyone establish a connection between the English and Irish Lovelace lines? Thomas Lovelace (spelled Louelace) was granted lands in North Co.Roscommon in the 1650s. Another, 30 miles south of there, was Arthur Lovelace who lived west of Roscommon town in Ballybride c.1680-1710, according to LDS and married Mary de Clifford of Dublin. A Ballybride Lovelace married John Blakeney of nearby Lisnamult in 1700. The name was found in the 18th century in Limerick and Cork. It is an extremely rare surname in Ireland. These were people of background and substance. The 1594(?) battle, after which Sir William was knighted was Offaly, which is a county in Ireland. Perhaps he was accompanied by family members. The Earls of Essex owned thousands of acres in the area of Roscommon town , and indeed still own the deserted large castle in the town only a mile from Ballybride. Many of the officers, clerks etc. who accompanied Essex to Ireland acquired large tracts of land and advancement in all spheres of Irish life. Perhaps 1594 Lovelaces , who may have remained in Ireland , or their English relatives, continued to be rewarded for political loyalty by these Roscommon acquisitions during the next 100 years.Yours, J.Spikes. > > > > --------------------------------- > With Yahoo! Mail you can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs >

Michelle I've dug out my old notes on the Mosterton / Crewkerne Lovelaces and had a closer look a them. These are my comments for what they are worth working back from the 1841 census at Mosterton. There were a few families but the one you are interested in is: John Loveless 35 Mason Ann Loveless 20 Jonathon 10 Mark 5 Grace 70 Ag lab I believe this Grace to be Grace Paul the 2nd wife of William Lovelace on 20 Dec 1779. I know the ages do not tally exactly but allowing for rounding off of ages in this census and perhaps she didn't know (or want to know) her exact age she could fit, especially as there were no other Grace Loveless around at that time, in that area, to my knowledge. It seems she was widowed in 1785 when William died, but that didn't stop her having children, Elizabeth 1790, John 1804. In both cases no father was recorded at their baptisms so they were probably baseborn. I believe the John baptised in 1804 is the John, 35, Mason above. He married, I presume ? Rendell at sometime. The ages do not tally again but this time the 1851 census confirms the difference which would suggest he may have remarried as you say. If you know the mother's name to be Hannah and think she is the one who died in 1838, I think you should buy the certificate as those I have purchased from Chard have indicated the husband. The only doubt I have is that if they were living in Mosterton then the death would not have been registered in Chard. If you are correct then you should have a marriage and I believe you are in luck because in the March quarter 1841, in Chard ref: 10 529 you have a John Lovelace apparently marrying an Ann Gibbs. I have a note of this in my early Crewkerne notes so I assume it was in Crewkerne. (I was not so thorough in those days and this was given to me by a helper in the Crewkerne Heritage Centre). They married on 5 January 1841. John was a Mason, full age, and his father was John Mitchel, labourer. Anne was 20. That is all I have recorded. It wasn't one of my family so I did not follow it up. Go on, splash out £13 on 2 certificates, it's the only way you are going to find out all the details. If the above is correct then it does not appear that John Mitchel and Grace never married because it seemed retained the Lovelace/less surname. One final piece of information which may be relevant. When Grace married William in 1779, the witnesses were William and Mary Murley, an unusual name. On 12 July 1831, a John Loveless married an Anne Murley in Frampton. Regarding the Loveliss, I believe they are one and the same, just the enumerators interpretation. Perhaps our more seasoned researchers can confirm this? Finally you may well be right about the Guernsey connection. Some of my ancestors gave the most unusual birth places (farm names) so I wouldn't worry too much about that. Was this from the LDS census? Sometimes there interpretation is not quite right. If so, may be worth checking the original. Also it may be worth a phone call to the Dorset Record Office to see if Addleton means anything. Could be Cheddington which is just down the lane from Mosterton. Keep me informed because I will update my records if you are able to confirm the above. Howard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Ayling" <Michelle.Ayling@ons.gsi.gov.uk> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [TOL] Minor breakthrough > > Howard, > > Yes, these are the John and Ann on the 1841 Census. John's two children's > mother was called Hannah. Ann is not old enough to be their mother - > that's Jonathan and Mark Rendall Loveless, by the way. She's only about 10 > years older than Jonathan. I imagine that John Lovelace married again - > probably wanted someone to look after the children. We know she was born > in Marriott from the Census. Ages ago you sent me a sheet with a > hotchpotch of births/deaths and marriages and it mentioned one between John > Lovelace and Ann Gibbs in Crewkerne in 1841( I think - working from memory > here). From FreeBMD it looks like Hannah died in 1838 so all the dates > fit. On your sheet, John's father is called John Mitchel. Does this mean > he was illegitimate but recognised by his father? > > I also noticed that the 1851 Census has a John Loveliss listed - wondering > if this is a relation spelt wrongly. > > I've lost track of John Lovelace but one pops up in Guernsey on the 1881 > Census but has Addleton, Dorset as his birthplace. No such place so I'm > wondering if this is a sick old man who cannot be understood by the Census > Enumerator. The birth year matches and a large number of Masons went to > the Channel Islands from Guernsey at this time. > > Michelle > > > > howard@hgmartin.free > serve.co.uk To: TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com > cc: > 27/02/2003 17:51 Subject: Re: [TOL] Minor breakthrough > Please respond to > TOLPUDDLE-L > > > > > > > Michelle > > As I have said before I'm sure your Lovelaces in Mosterton are linked > to mine but I'm not sure how. > > I've checked my records and can find no record of a Mitchel. However I > have a John Mitcham who married Anne Loveless 7 Feb 1829 and an > Elizabeth Meacham who married a William Lovelace 20 Sept 1756. > Interestingly his second wife was called Grace. > Sometimes the wife's maiden name was used as a middle name for > children. > Neither of these is a Mitchel but both are close!! > > Any use to you? > > Are these the John and Grace in Mosterton in the 1841 census? > > Howard > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michelle Ayling" <Michelle.Ayling@ons.gsi.gov.uk> > To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 8:18 AM > Subject: [TOL] Minor breakthrough > > > > I came across an entry which gave me the name of my ggggrandfather's > > father. Unfortunately, he is also called John Lovelace. However he > has a > > middle name of Mitchel. Has anyone come across a John Mitchel > Lovelace > > (probably) married to Grace? Born about 1770-1780. > > > > Michelle > > > > > > > > > > > > For the latest data on the economy and society > > consult National Statistics at http://www.statistics.gov.uk > > > > > ********************************************************************** > > Please Note: Incoming and outgoing email messages > > are routinely monitored for compliance with our policy > > on the use of electronic communications > > > ********************************************************************** > > Legal Disclaimer : Any views expressed by > > the sender of this message are not necessarily > > those of the Office for National Statistics > > > ********************************************************************** > > > > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > > > > > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > > > > > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > >

Greg Sadly, no. The last living male Loveless from my line died about 15 years ago. My grandfather was the only male child who survived into adulthood. His father, my great grandfather remarried and had boys from his second marriage, several of whom married, but to date I have yet to make contact with anyone from this line. Howard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Lovelace" <gregl@starfishnet.com> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 11:32 AM Subject: [TOL] Re: Lovelace DNA test > At 11:02 PM 2/27/03 -0700, Carol wrote: > >Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 17:43:15 +1000 > >From: "Brian and Carol" <brecas@kingaroy.big.net.au> > >To: TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com > >Message-ID: <002a01c2de33$e4049880$cd8d15cb@oemcomputer> > >Subject: Re: [TOL] Lovelace DNA test results > >Content-Type: text/plain; > > charset="iso-8859-1" > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > >Hi Greg, my bother is a Loveless living in Wales, I shall contact him to > >see whether he would be interested, unfortunately he doesn't share my > >interest in the Line but this might work for him! I shall let you know. > > Excellent! Thank you, Carol. > And to Howard Martin, who said: > >I'd be very interested in participating but unfortunately my mother > >was a Loveless. She had 3 brothers and not one of them had any > >children. > > Howard, are any of your uncles still living? They would be candidates for > the test..... > > And to Donna, I appreciate your thinking about it and I wish your Loveless > connection was closer in time :-) > > Now how about the rest of you folks? About how many lines are represented > on the Tolpuddle list? There are bound to be more of you that might be > able to roust up Lovelxxx donors! > > Peace, > Part of the Tree, > Greg > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > >

Howard, Yes, these are the John and Ann on the 1841 Census. John's two children's mother was called Hannah. Ann is not old enough to be their mother - that's Jonathan and Mark Rendall Loveless, by the way. She's only about 10 years older than Jonathan. I imagine that John Lovelace married again - probably wanted someone to look after the children. We know she was born in Marriott from the Census. Ages ago you sent me a sheet with a hotchpotch of births/deaths and marriages and it mentioned one between John Lovelace and Ann Gibbs in Crewkerne in 1841( I think - working from memory here). From FreeBMD it looks like Hannah died in 1838 so all the dates fit. On your sheet, John's father is called John Mitchel. Does this mean he was illegitimate but recognised by his father? I also noticed that the 1851 Census has a John Loveliss listed - wondering if this is a relation spelt wrongly. I've lost track of John Lovelace but one pops up in Guernsey on the 1881 Census but has Addleton, Dorset as his birthplace. No such place so I'm wondering if this is a sick old man who cannot be understood by the Census Enumerator. The birth year matches and a large number of Masons went to the Channel Islands from Guernsey at this time. Michelle howard@hgmartin.free serve.co.uk To: TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com cc: 27/02/2003 17:51 Subject: Re: [TOL] Minor breakthrough Please respond to TOLPUDDLE-L Michelle As I have said before I'm sure your Lovelaces in Mosterton are linked to mine but I'm not sure how. I've checked my records and can find no record of a Mitchel. However I have a John Mitcham who married Anne Loveless 7 Feb 1829 and an Elizabeth Meacham who married a William Lovelace 20 Sept 1756. Interestingly his second wife was called Grace. Sometimes the wife's maiden name was used as a middle name for children. Neither of these is a Mitchel but both are close!! Any use to you? Are these the John and Grace in Mosterton in the 1841 census? Howard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Ayling" <Michelle.Ayling@ons.gsi.gov.uk> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 8:18 AM Subject: [TOL] Minor breakthrough > I came across an entry which gave me the name of my ggggrandfather's > father. Unfortunately, he is also called John Lovelace. However he has a > middle name of Mitchel. Has anyone come across a John Mitchel Lovelace > (probably) married to Grace? Born about 1770-1780. > > Michelle > > > > > > For the latest data on the economy and society > consult National Statistics at http://www.statistics.gov.uk > > ********************************************************************** > Please Note: Incoming and outgoing email messages > are routinely monitored for compliance with our policy > on the use of electronic communications > ********************************************************************** > Legal Disclaimer : Any views expressed by > the sender of this message are not necessarily > those of the Office for National Statistics > ********************************************************************** > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs

At 11:02 PM 2/27/03 -0700, Carol wrote: >Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 17:43:15 +1000 >From: "Brian and Carol" <brecas@kingaroy.big.net.au> >To: TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <002a01c2de33$e4049880$cd8d15cb@oemcomputer> >Subject: Re: [TOL] Lovelace DNA test results >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Hi Greg, my bother is a Loveless living in Wales, I shall contact him to >see whether he would be interested, unfortunately he doesn't share my >interest in the Line but this might work for him! I shall let you know. Excellent! Thank you, Carol. And to Howard Martin, who said: >I'd be very interested in participating but unfortunately my mother >was a Loveless. She had 3 brothers and not one of them had any >children. Howard, are any of your uncles still living? They would be candidates for the test..... And to Donna, I appreciate your thinking about it and I wish your Loveless connection was closer in time :-) Now how about the rest of you folks? About how many lines are represented on the Tolpuddle list? There are bound to be more of you that might be able to roust up Lovelxxx donors! Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg

Michelle As I have said before I'm sure your Lovelaces in Mosterton are linked to mine but I'm not sure how. I've checked my records and can find no record of a Mitchel. However I have a John Mitcham who married Anne Loveless 7 Feb 1829 and an Elizabeth Meacham who married a William Lovelace 20 Sept 1756. Interestingly his second wife was called Grace. Sometimes the wife's maiden name was used as a middle name for children. Neither of these is a Mitchel but both are close!! Any use to you? Are these the John and Grace in Mosterton in the 1841 census? Howard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Ayling" <Michelle.Ayling@ons.gsi.gov.uk> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 8:18 AM Subject: [TOL] Minor breakthrough > I came across an entry which gave me the name of my ggggrandfather's > father. Unfortunately, he is also called John Lovelace. However he has a > middle name of Mitchel. Has anyone come across a John Mitchel Lovelace > (probably) married to Grace? Born about 1770-1780. > > Michelle > > > > > > For the latest data on the economy and society > consult National Statistics at http://www.statistics.gov.uk > > ********************************************************************** > Please Note: Incoming and outgoing email messages > are routinely monitored for compliance with our policy > on the use of electronic communications > ********************************************************************** > Legal Disclaimer : Any views expressed by > the sender of this message are not necessarily > those of the Office for National Statistics > ********************************************************************** > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > >

Hi Greg, my bother is a Loveless living in Wales, I shall contact him to see whether he would be interested, unfortunately he doesn't share my interest in the Line but this might work for him! I shall let you know. Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Martin" <howard@hgmartin.freeserve.co.uk> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 3:03 AM Subject: Re: [TOL] Lovelace DNA test results > Greg > > I'd be very interested in participating but unfortunately my mother > was a Loveless. She had 3 brothers and not one of them had any > children. > > Hope the project goes well. > > Howard Martin > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg Lovelace" <gregl@starfishnet.com> > To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 12:03 PM > Subject: [TOL] Lovelace DNA test results > > > > Hi, folks.... > > > > I want to do two things with this note. First, I want to announce, > for > > those of you who haven't heard about it, the Lovelace/Loveless DNA > > project. We have undertaken on the Lovelace List a study of the DNA > of the > > male Lovelace and Loveless lines, looking at 25 markers on the > y-chromosome > > of male Lovelaces and Lovelesses. To put it in a nutshell, if two > men > > match exactly at these 25 markers, then there is a high probability > that > > they share a common ancestor. There is a 50% chance that common > ancestor > > is within the last 7 generations, and a 90% chance he is within the > last 15 > > generations. The company doing our test is Family Tree DNA > > (http://www.familytreedna.com). We have several test results, and > are > > waiting on more to come back from the lab. Melissa Jones > <dna@satmel.com> > > is the study administrator, and she has put up a few webpages to > show our > > results to date: > > > > http://dna.satmel.com (index page) > > http://dna.satmel.com/results.html (results page) > > http://dna.satmel.com/more_details.html (additional details page) > > > > Go take a look :-) Family Tree DNA has a decent FAQ on their page > to > > answer questions about the testing procedure and interpretation of > > results. If you want to get into it a little deeper, there are > several > > good sites which explain things in a little more detail. > > > > http://www.contexo.info/DNA_Basics > > http://www.contexo.info/DNA_Basics/molecular_genealogy.htm > > > > One extensive project is the Blair Genealogy DNA project at > > http://www.blairgenealogy.com/dna/ > > > > The author has an excellent summary of the project so far at > > http://www.blairgenealogy.com/dna/markers.html > > > > The second thing I want to do is to ask for volunteers from our > cousins in > > Canada, Australia, and UK. To participate, one must be a male with > the > > surname Lovelace or Loveless. The y-chromosome is passed from > father to > > son virtually unchanged except for occasional mutations. The > recommended > > 25-marker test costs about US$170 per volunteer. > > > > Do any of you folks have candidates for this project? If so, please > > consider asking them to undergo the test. The test itself is > simple, > > necessitating only the scraping of the inside of the mouth with a > little > > collector. It would be great if some of us in the states could see > if our > > DNA matches that of some of you non-American cuzzins. > > > > How 'bout it? If you have someone who wants to participate, have > them > > email Melissa at <dna@satmel.com> for more details. > > > > Take care, all :-) > > > > Peace, > > Part of the Tree, > > Greg > > > > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > > > > > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > >

Greg I'd be very interested in participating but unfortunately my mother was a Loveless. She had 3 brothers and not one of them had any children. Hope the project goes well. Howard Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Lovelace" <gregl@starfishnet.com> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 12:03 PM Subject: [TOL] Lovelace DNA test results > Hi, folks.... > > I want to do two things with this note. First, I want to announce, for > those of you who haven't heard about it, the Lovelace/Loveless DNA > project. We have undertaken on the Lovelace List a study of the DNA of the > male Lovelace and Loveless lines, looking at 25 markers on the y-chromosome > of male Lovelaces and Lovelesses. To put it in a nutshell, if two men > match exactly at these 25 markers, then there is a high probability that > they share a common ancestor. There is a 50% chance that common ancestor > is within the last 7 generations, and a 90% chance he is within the last 15 > generations. The company doing our test is Family Tree DNA > (http://www.familytreedna.com). We have several test results, and are > waiting on more to come back from the lab. Melissa Jones <dna@satmel.com> > is the study administrator, and she has put up a few webpages to show our > results to date: > > http://dna.satmel.com (index page) > http://dna.satmel.com/results.html (results page) > http://dna.satmel.com/more_details.html (additional details page) > > Go take a look :-) Family Tree DNA has a decent FAQ on their page to > answer questions about the testing procedure and interpretation of > results. If you want to get into it a little deeper, there are several > good sites which explain things in a little more detail. > > http://www.contexo.info/DNA_Basics > http://www.contexo.info/DNA_Basics/molecular_genealogy.htm > > One extensive project is the Blair Genealogy DNA project at > http://www.blairgenealogy.com/dna/ > > The author has an excellent summary of the project so far at > http://www.blairgenealogy.com/dna/markers.html > > The second thing I want to do is to ask for volunteers from our cousins in > Canada, Australia, and UK. To participate, one must be a male with the > surname Lovelace or Loveless. The y-chromosome is passed from father to > son virtually unchanged except for occasional mutations. The recommended > 25-marker test costs about US$170 per volunteer. > > Do any of you folks have candidates for this project? If so, please > consider asking them to undergo the test. The test itself is simple, > necessitating only the scraping of the inside of the mouth with a little > collector. It would be great if some of us in the states could see if our > DNA matches that of some of you non-American cuzzins. > > How 'bout it? If you have someone who wants to participate, have them > email Melissa at <dna@satmel.com> for more details. > > Take care, all :-) > > Peace, > Part of the Tree, > Greg > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > >

Greg - would like to help but I don't know of any male Lovelesses as my closest link to the Lovelesses is through my maternal great-grandmother. I haven' been able yet to identify any direct descendants to my great-grandmother's immediate family. Still trying to track some of them. Cheers, Donna King List Owner Tolpuddle/Cannell Mailing Lists deking@rogers.com LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs We could learn a lot from crayons: some are sharp, some are pretty, some are dull, some have weird names, and all are different colors...but they all have to learn to live in the same box. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Lovelace" <gregl@starfishnet.com> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 7:03 AM Subject: [TOL] Lovelace DNA test results > Hi, folks.... > > I want to do two things with this note. First, I want to announce, for > those of you who haven't heard about it, the Lovelace/Loveless DNA > project. We have undertaken on the Lovelace List a study of the DNA of the > male Lovelace and Loveless lines, looking at 25 markers on the y-chromosome > of male Lovelaces and Lovelesses. To put it in a nutshell, if two men > match exactly at these 25 markers, then there is a high probability that > they share a common ancestor. There is a 50% chance that common ancestor > is within the last 7 generations, and a 90% chance he is within the last 15 > generations. The company doing our test is Family Tree DNA > (http://www.familytreedna.com). We have several test results, and are > waiting on more to come back from the lab. Melissa Jones <dna@satmel.com> > is the study administrator, and she has put up a few webpages to show our > results to date: > > http://dna.satmel.com (index page) > http://dna.satmel.com/results.html (results page) > http://dna.satmel.com/more_details.html (additional details page) > > Go take a look :-) Family Tree DNA has a decent FAQ on their page to > answer questions about the testing procedure and interpretation of > results. If you want to get into it a little deeper, there are several > good sites which explain things in a little more detail. > > http://www.contexo.info/DNA_Basics > http://www.contexo.info/DNA_Basics/molecular_genealogy.htm > > One extensive project is the Blair Genealogy DNA project at > http://www.blairgenealogy.com/dna/ > > The author has an excellent summary of the project so far at > http://www.blairgenealogy.com/dna/markers.html > > The second thing I want to do is to ask for volunteers from our cousins in > Canada, Australia, and UK. To participate, one must be a male with the > surname Lovelace or Loveless. The y-chromosome is passed from father to > son virtually unchanged except for occasional mutations. The recommended > 25-marker test costs about US$170 per volunteer. > > Do any of you folks have candidates for this project? If so, please > consider asking them to undergo the test. The test itself is simple, > necessitating only the scraping of the inside of the mouth with a little > collector. It would be great if some of us in the states could see if our > DNA matches that of some of you non-American cuzzins. > > How 'bout it? If you have someone who wants to participate, have them > email Melissa at <dna@satmel.com> for more details. > > Take care, all :-) > > Peace, > Part of the Tree, > Greg > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs >

Hello all. If you can help Dorothy plse email her at the following address as she is not subcribed to the Tolpuddle Mailing list: dorothyt@vaxxine.com Have a great day. Irene - we received another big dump of snow in southern Ontario. I had sent a forwarding address for the snow to your place but I guess the Post Office got it mixed up. Donna King List Owner Tolpuddle/Cannell Mailing Lists deking@rogers.com LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs We could learn a lot from crayons: some are sharp, some are pretty, some are dull, some have weird names, and all are different colors...but they all have to learn to live in the same box. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendy Loveless" <w@iredell.net> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 10:25 AM Subject: [TOL] Fw: Query from Lovelace web site > Dorothy, > > I'm forwarding your message to both the Lovelace list and the Tolpuddle > list. The Lovelace list researches the Lovelace/Loveless family in the US > with ties to the UK whereas the Tolpuddle list is primarily for researchers > in Canada and Australia with UK origins. Both are full of wonderful people > (our cousins) and great researchers. We'd love to have you join our group; > our researchers will let you know if they have more information for you on > this line. Please visit our web site home page for more information on how > to subscribe (link below my name). > > Thanks, > > Wendy Loveless > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~lovelace > earliest ancestor: Stephen H. and Eleanor Armstrong Loveless MD - OH > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "D. Turcotte" <dorothyt@vaxxine.com> > To: <lovelxxx@iredell.net> > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 10:20 AM > Subject: Query from Lovelace web site > > > > Hello, Wendy. I am researching my husband's family tree. His > grea-great-grandmother was Zylpha (also known as Zilphy, Zilpha or Silvia) > Lovelace (or Loveless) who was born probably in the USA in 1778. She married > Isaac Orser, a United Empire Loyalist who came to Canada after the American > Revolution. There is plenty of information about Isaac, but almost none > about Zylpha. We do know, from an article in the Kingston Chronicle that she > died in July, 1834 when struck by lightning while sitting in her own home on > Wolfe Island (one of the Thousand Islands in the St. Lawrence River). Would > love to learn more about her, as I am sure she is related to Thomas Loveless > who escaped to Canada and was e ventually hanged. > > Please let me know if you have her in your family tree. > > > > Dorothy, Grimsby, Ontario > > > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs >

Paul - Good day. I received an email from Greg Lovelace reference your query on the Lovelace list. I'm the List Owner for the Tolpuddle List which is basically the same list but with a focus on England, Canada and Australia. Our mailing list has many friendly and helpful people and new members are always welcome. Check out our homepage listed below. If you would like to join our mailing list plse send an email with the word subscribe ONLY in the body of the email to: Tolpuddle-l-request@rootsweb.com Meanwhile I will forward to you some of the responses to your query which you will not have received as you're not subscribed to our mailing list as yet. Looking forward to hearing from you, Donna King List Owner Tolpuddle/Cannell Mailing Lists deking@rogers.com LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs We could learn a lot from crayons: some are sharp, some are pretty, some are dull, some have weird names, and all are different colors...but they all have to learn to live in the same box.

Hi Paul, Carol, Geoff and everyone Paul this is what I have on your James Loveless, Carol contacted me and I have been searching for my info ever since, because we have just moved house it was all packed away. Paul alot of this information was your orginal work, we corrresponded a few years ago. I hope I have added some new information. I have yet to find James Loveless of Piddletrenthide's connection to the Tolpuddle Martyr Loveless's, I'm not sure if there are two James Loveless's around the same time and we are putting them together or not. I know that James of Piddletrenthide had the four wives, that is well documented, he is also well documented as the son of Robert and Christian. I know that there is alot of interesting bits and pieces that kept connecting the Piddletrenthide Loveless's and the Tolpuddle Loveless's. I best leave it there because this email may be too big for the list. Bye for now Irene Howgate LOVELESS. PIDDLETRENTHIDE. Loveless James Bapt 21/4/1729 at Piddletrenthide Parents- Robert Loveless & Christian Loveless James Mar 11/9/1751 Christial Symes. Tolpuddle. Loveless James 2nd M 13/4/1757 Sarah Hughes Loveless James 3rd M 12/4/1762 Betty Dover (widow) nee Jones St Andrews Loveless James 4th M 21/9/1776 Mary Cobb Loveless James Buried 18/5/1789 Coombe Keynes Loveless Christial Buried 12/10/1756 Loveless Sarah Buried 25/11/1760 Jones Betty 1st M Thomas Dover Dover Thomas Buried 14/6/1761 Tolpuddle Dover Betty 2nd M 12/4/1762 James Loveless St Andrews Milborne Loveless Betty Death 1771 Loveless Betty Buried 3/4/1771 CHILDREN Loveless Betty Birth James Loveless Christial Symes Loveless Betty Bapt 9/8/1753 Piddletrenthide Lovelefs Betty Mar 28/11/1775 John Vye Tolpuddle Loveless Mary Birth James Loveless Christial Symes Loveless Mary Bapt 20/7/1755 Piddletrenthide Loveless Mary Buried 14/5/1857 Loveless James Birth Loveless James Bapt 3/2/1758 James Loveless Sarah Hughes St Andrews Milborne Loveless James Buried 23/5/1758 Loveless Sarah Bapt 21/11/1760 James Loveless Sarah Hughes St Andrews Milborne Loveless Sarah Buried 4/7/1762 Loveless James Birth James Loveless Betty Dover Loveless James Bapt 3/6/1763 Loveless Jenney Birth James Lovelafs Betty Dover Loveless Jenney Bapt 7/5/1769 Loveless Jenney Buried 4/2/1770 Loveless Jenney Birth James Loveless Betty Dover Loveless Jenney Bapt 3/4/1771 Loveless Jenney Buried 16/6/1771 Loveless Alice Bapt 16/8/1778 James Loveless Mary Cobb Coombe Keynes Loveless Alice Census 1851 72 With brother John & Hannah (Baker) Coombe Keynes Loveless John Birth James Loveless Mary Cobb Coombe Keynes Loveless John Bapt 21/7/1782 Loveless John Mar 4/4/1804 Hannah Baker Winfrith ----- Original Message ----- From: <AndersonGeoffR@cs.com> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 11:23 PM Subject: [TOL] James Loveless (b.1720), son of Thomas and Margaret > Hello Paul, > > This is in regard to your James Loveless, son of Thomas and Margaret Davi(e)s > who were great-grandparents to the Martyrs. > As I am going away for a month tomorrow, I will be unable to follow this > thread to see if something more useful than my information emerges, so I > offer it now. > > My files say that this James had 3 wives: Sarah Hughes, Betty Dover, and > Christian Symes. > This information is peripheral to my interests, so please note it with > caution, - I cannot say anything about its veracity or origin. > > Best wishes, > > Geoff Anderson > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs >

Greetings Greg, Have only just seen your email & it looks as if we may have some links but dog has his legs crossed at the moment so must take him out. Will have a closer look this evening & be back in touch Cheers Dawn Stewart (Southport, M/side) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Lovelace" <gregl@starfishnet.com> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 12:44 AM Subject: [TOL] Fwd: [LL] UK LOVELESS > Hi, Folks... > > Paul Pearson subbed a while back to the Lovelace List, and he just today > posted his research interest, which is in Tolpuddle. I thought maybe one > of you folks could contact him and invite him to the Tolpuddle list. > > Peace, > Part of the Tree, > Greg > > > >Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 17:24:24 -0700 > >X-Original-Sender: ppjrms@ntlworld.com Mon Feb 24 17:24:24 2003 > >From: "ppjrms" <ppjrms@ntlworld.com> > >Old-To: <LOVELACE-L@rootsweb.com> > >Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 23:31:36 -0000 > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 > >Subject: [LL] UK LOVELESS > >To: LOVELACE-L@rootsweb.com > >Resent-From: LOVELACE-L@rootsweb.com > >Reply-To: LOVELACE-L@rootsweb.com > >X-Mailing-List: <LOVELACE-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/31344 > >X-Loop: LOVELACE-L@rootsweb.com > >Resent-Sender: LOVELACE-L-request@rootsweb.com > >X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Starfish Internet for Spam and Viruses. > >X-Spam-Tests-Failed: None > >X-RCPT-TO: <gregl@starfishnet.com> > > > >Hi all > > > >Recently joined the site. I live in Poole which is approx 15 miles from > >Tolpuddle where the original Martyrs lived. Although the village has a new > >by-pass now I often take a detour and go through the village. The Museum > >has been upgraded and is a big improvement on what it used to be. > > > >My maternal grand mother was a Loveless and it was always said in the > >family that in some way they were related to the Tolpuddle Martyrs.There > >was no evidence handed down and it has taken years to find the connection. > >My James Loveless 1729-1789 was the brother of John Loveless bap 1731. > >There parents were Thomas Loveless bap 1676 and Margaret Davies bap approx > >1695. They were married on 6.4.1713 ans Margaret came from Buckland Newton > >Dorset, Johns grand son's were George and James Loveless-two of the Martyrs. > > > >If anyone is connected to these Lovelesses I would be pleased to hear from > >them. > > > > > >Regards > > > > > > > >Paul Pearson. > > > > > >==== LOVELACE Mailing List ==== > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs >

Hi, folks.... I want to do two things with this note. First, I want to announce, for those of you who haven't heard about it, the Lovelace/Loveless DNA project. We have undertaken on the Lovelace List a study of the DNA of the male Lovelace and Loveless lines, looking at 25 markers on the y-chromosome of male Lovelaces and Lovelesses. To put it in a nutshell, if two men match exactly at these 25 markers, then there is a high probability that they share a common ancestor. There is a 50% chance that common ancestor is within the last 7 generations, and a 90% chance he is within the last 15 generations. The company doing our test is Family Tree DNA (http://www.familytreedna.com). We have several test results, and are waiting on more to come back from the lab. Melissa Jones <dna@satmel.com> is the study administrator, and she has put up a few webpages to show our results to date: http://dna.satmel.com (index page) http://dna.satmel.com/results.html (results page) http://dna.satmel.com/more_details.html (additional details page) Go take a look :-) Family Tree DNA has a decent FAQ on their page to answer questions about the testing procedure and interpretation of results. If you want to get into it a little deeper, there are several good sites which explain things in a little more detail. http://www.contexo.info/DNA_Basics http://www.contexo.info/DNA_Basics/molecular_genealogy.htm One extensive project is the Blair Genealogy DNA project at http://www.blairgenealogy.com/dna/ The author has an excellent summary of the project so far at http://www.blairgenealogy.com/dna/markers.html The second thing I want to do is to ask for volunteers from our cousins in Canada, Australia, and UK. To participate, one must be a male with the surname Lovelace or Loveless. The y-chromosome is passed from father to son virtually unchanged except for occasional mutations. The recommended 25-marker test costs about US$170 per volunteer. Do any of you folks have candidates for this project? If so, please consider asking them to undergo the test. The test itself is simple, necessitating only the scraping of the inside of the mouth with a little collector. It would be great if some of us in the states could see if our DNA matches that of some of you non-American cuzzins. How 'bout it? If you have someone who wants to participate, have them email Melissa at <dna@satmel.com> for more details. Take care, all :-) Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg