Hi all Thought you might enjoy reading the following report I made on Tolpuddle School from records held at Kew. This is the school our ancestors would have attended up to 1933. Tolpuddle Village School This school ceased to be registered as a public elementary school from 03/09/1933 (G G Williams letter to Rev H R Long, The Pasonage, Tolpuddle). It closed 28/07/1933 and the children concerned, to attend Puddletown C E school on 04/09/1933. Rev Harold Long tried to stop the closure in his letter of 15/05/1933 to The Secretary, Board of Education, Whitehall, London, where he asked them to consider:- 1) There were new people at the large house, so more employment and families to consider. 2) There had been an excellent report by the Religious Inspector on the school. 3) There was a growing concern of sending small children away to school by bus. One child had already been knocked down by a car on the main road. In a letter dated 11/03/1933 by Clement G Bone, Director of Education, Dorchester to the Board of Education, Whitehall, London, it stated, subject to approval, to discontinue maintenance of Tolpuddle Junior School, only 15 children were attending. The maintenance cost was £260 per annum. A protest was received (not in file, what a shame, as it would list their names) signed by five managers and twelve parents:- Tolpuddle School “We the undersigned being the managers of Tolpuddle School and the parents of the children attending Tolpuddle School wish to protest very strongly against the proposed closure of this school. We wish to point out that this school could easily be carried on under one mistress and that the absence of such young children from home for such a long time is home for such a long time is very unsuitable and bad for them.” The head mistress who left 31/03/1924 was Alice Russell. She was replaced by Eileen Coyle who was appointed 23/06/1924, and left September 1928. She was born 04/10/1889, passed teaching exam 1908 South Shields, last employed East Jarrow Council School, South Shields August 1913 – 22/06/1924 as an assistant teacher. She had previously been a pupil teacher 1908 - 1019. She was replaced by Margaret Evans nee Edwards. She was born 18/10/1884, qualified at Pontypool, last position Hillside Blaenavon, Monmouth 01/07/1913 – 31/01/1919. Was a pupil teacher 1900 – 1904 at Blaenavon Infants. Children in school: 1916 28 who were 5 and over 4 who were under 5 1917 21 ditto 4 ditto 1918 26 ditto 2 ditto 1919 empty - 1920 total 42 1921 total 43 1922 total 41 1923 total 37 1924 total 32 1925 total 26 1926 total 22 1927 total 30 1928 total 23 1929 total 25 1930 total 28 1931 total 27 Typed and compiled by: Mrs Sally McMahon, March 2004

thank you ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendy Loveless" <w@iredell.net> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 2:56 PM Subject: [TOL] Re: Query from Lovelace web site > Lesley, > > I'm forwarding your message to our email groups. The Lovelace group can > help you with your Hurley questions and the Tolpuddle group can help you > with your Dorset questions. > > Cousins, please copy Lesley on any messages as he isn't a member of > either list. Lesley, we'd love to have you join us; instructions for > subscribing are on our web site. > > Thanks, > > Wendy Loveless > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~lovelace > earliest ancestor: Stephen H. and Eleanor Armstrong Loveless MD - OH > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lesley WICKHAM > To: lovelxxx@iredell.net > Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 9:30 AM > Subject: Query from Lovelace web site > > > I am trying to trace the loveless/lovelace who had the title of baron taken > away from him.I believe he was a John Loveace from Hurley > he had lost his stately home in Hurley > This title was given later to I believe Ada Lovelace's husband william king > > any info would be helpful > > Lesley > > I am also trying to find out where John Loveless 1600's from Hermitage > Doset came from he was the tolpuddle martyrs x ?grandfather > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs >

Lesley, I'm forwarding your message to our email groups. The Lovelace group can help you with your Hurley questions and the Tolpuddle group can help you with your Dorset questions. Cousins, please copy Lesley on any messages as he isn't a member of either list. Lesley, we'd love to have you join us; instructions for subscribing are on our web site. Thanks, Wendy Loveless http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~lovelace earliest ancestor: Stephen H. and Eleanor Armstrong Loveless MD - OH ----- Original Message ----- From: Lesley WICKHAM To: lovelxxx@iredell.net Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 9:30 AM Subject: Query from Lovelace web site I am trying to trace the loveless/lovelace who had the title of baron taken away from him.I believe he was a John Loveace from Hurley he had lost his stately home in Hurley This title was given later to I believe Ada Lovelace's husband william king any info would be helpful Lesley I am also trying to find out where John Loveless 1600's from Hermitage Doset came from he was the tolpuddle martyrs x ?grandfather

Hello all. The following is from Message Board URL. If you have any information contact glyn_t@btopenworld.com From: glyn_t@btopenworld.com > >Subject: Lovelace / Clark. Somerset, U.K. and Pontypool, Wales > >Message Board URL: > > > >http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/WJx.2ACEB/413 > > > >I am looking for anyone with connections with the Lovelace's from Blagdon, > >Somerset, England and the Clark family from Pontypool, Monmouthshire, Wales. > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Donna King List Owner Tolpuddle/Cannell Mailing Lists deking@rogers.com LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs Donna's Genealogy Page http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Park/3288 We could learn a lot from crayons: some are sharp, some are pretty, some are dull, some have weird names, and all are different colors...but they all have to learn to live in the same box. >

Hello all. I'm forwarding this from the Surrey List. I feel that the sentiments expressed are universal for those researching their family history. Donna King List Owner Tolpuddle/Cannell Mailing Lists deking@rogers.com LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs Donna's Genealogy Page http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Park/3288 We could learn a lot from crayons: some are sharp, some are pretty, some are dull, some have weird names, and all are different colors...but they all have to learn to live in the same box. > > WHY WE DO WHAT WE DO!! > > > > > > The Story Tellers > > > We are the chosen. My feelings are that in each family there is one who > seems called to find the ancestors. To put flesh on their bones and make > them live again, to tell the family story and to feel that, somehow, they > know and approve. > > > > To me, doing genealogy is not a cold gathering of facts but, instead, > breathing life into all who have gone before. We are the storytellers of the > tribe. All tribes have one. We have been called, as it were, by our genes. > Those who have gone before cry out to us "Tell our story". > > > > So, we do. In finding them, we somehow find ourselves. How many graves have > I stood before now, and cried? I have lost count. How many times have I told > the ancestors "You have a wonderful family, you would be proud of us"? How > many times have I walked up to a grave and felt, somehow, there was love for > me there? I cannot say. > > > > It goes beyond just documenting facts. It goes to who I am and why I do the > things I do. > > > > It goes to seeing a cemetery about to be lost forever to weeds, and > indifference, and saying "I can't let this happen". The bones here are bones > of my bones, and flesh of my flesh. > > > > It goes to doing something about it. > > > > It goes to pride in what our ancestors were able to accomplish. How they > contributed to what we are today. It goes to respecting their hardships and > losses, their never giving in, or giving up. Their resoluteness to go on and > build a life for their family. > > > > It goes to a deep pride that they fought to make, and keep us, a Nation. > > > > It goes to a deep and immense understanding that they were doing it for us. > That we might be born who we are. That we might remember them. > > > > So we do, with love and caring and scribing each fact of their existence, > because we are them and they are us. > > > > So, as a scribe called, I tell the story of my family. It is up to that one > called in the next generation to answer the call and take their place in the > long line of family storytellers. That is why I do my family genealogy, and > that is what calls those, young and old, to step up and put flesh on the > bones. > > > > (Author - unknown.) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MSKelleher" <kelleher@nex.net.au> > To: <ENG-SURREY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 11:04 PM > Subject: [SRY] Ancestor poem > > > Can anyone do better than this > > You are my Ancestor > > As I stand, gazing at your crumbling tomb, > that is, amidst so many more of long ago > Your name engraved in marbled stone is barely seen /visible, > but yet it reaches out to those who care, > > You are mine, > I have found you > I feel you presence near, > I feel you in my bones. > Your blood is my blood, your cells are my cells, > And > each of us are part of you. > Your spirit lives in my heart and soul. > > I wonder if you'd ever dreamt that someday > I would find this spot, and stand and pray > And how I'd feel today as I touch this weathered stone > > I, who would have loved you so, > know it is to late to mourn. > as you have lived so many years ago > > I know who you are, and where you were born > Who you loved and when you married. > I've often wondered how you lived and died, > > You would never have known that I would live, > To see your grave and sigh > for you and yours had died long before I was here today. > > We, your family who now live, > know that you would be proud today to now there is > one of us that is called to tell the family story and make us live again, > and to know that you'd approve > > > ==== ENG-SURREY Mailing List ==== > Contact List Admin by email at ENG-SURREY-admin@rootsweb.com > How to subscribe, unsubscribe and use the list archives > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-SURREY.html > > > ==== ENG-SURREY Mailing List ==== > West Surrey FHS website : http://www.wsfhs.org/ > East Surrey FHS website : http://www.eastsurreyfhs.org.uk/ >

Hi All This reminds me of the Harry Enfield TV sketches (a comedian here in the UK), Woman should know their place! Sally ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela Wiseman" <ajwiseman@shaw.ca> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 11:53 PM Subject: Re: [TOL] Keeping our hubby's happy!!!! > Good Lord! They published crap like that?! > > Signed, > > Horrified modern woman - > > Angela > > eye wrote: > > >G'day to you all and hope you are all well and happy!!!! > > > >I had a great laugh at this and thought I might share it. > > > >I give you permission to growl at me if you think its to naughty for the list Donna but thought I would give to a go. > > > >Well I must go put my rollers in my hair!! > >Night All!!! > >Irene > > > >This is an actual extract from a sex education school textbook for girls, > >printed in the early 60's in the UK, written by a woman! > > > >"When retiring to the bedroom, prepare yourself for bed as promptly as > >possible. Whilst feminine hygiene is of the utmost importance, your tired > >husband does not want to queue for the bathroom, as he would have to do for > >his train. But remember to look your best when going to bed. Try to achieve > >a look that is welcoming without being obvious. If you need to apply > >face-cream or hair-rollers wait until he is asleep as this can be shocking > >to a man last thing at night. > > > >When it comes to the possibility of intimate relations with your husband it > >is important to remember your marriage vows and in particular your > >commitment to obey him. If he feels that he needs to sleep immediately then > >so be it. In all things be led by your husband's wishes; do not pressure him > >in any way to stimulate intimacy. Should your husband suggest congress then > >agree humbly all the while being mindful that a man's satisfaction is more > >important than a woman's. When he reaches his moment of fulfilment a small > >moan from yourself is encouraging to him and quite sufficient to indicate > >any enjoyment that you may have had. > > > >Should your husband suggest any of the more unusual practices be obedient > >and uncomplaining but register any reluctance by remaining silent. It is > >likely that your husband will then fall promptly asleep so adjust your > >clothing, freshen up and apply your night-time face and hair care products. > >You may then set the alarm so that you can arise shortly before him in the > >morning. This will enable you to have his morning cup of tea ready when he > >awakes." > > > > > >==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > >LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > >UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > >http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs >

G'day to you all and hope you are all well and happy!!!! I had a great laugh at this and thought I might share it. I give you permission to growl at me if you think its to naughty for the list Donna but thought I would give to a go. Well I must go put my rollers in my hair!! Night All!!! Irene This is an actual extract from a sex education school textbook for girls, printed in the early 60's in the UK, written by a woman! "When retiring to the bedroom, prepare yourself for bed as promptly as possible. Whilst feminine hygiene is of the utmost importance, your tired husband does not want to queue for the bathroom, as he would have to do for his train. But remember to look your best when going to bed. Try to achieve a look that is welcoming without being obvious. If you need to apply face-cream or hair-rollers wait until he is asleep as this can be shocking to a man last thing at night. When it comes to the possibility of intimate relations with your husband it is important to remember your marriage vows and in particular your commitment to obey him. If he feels that he needs to sleep immediately then so be it. In all things be led by your husband's wishes; do not pressure him in any way to stimulate intimacy. Should your husband suggest congress then agree humbly all the while being mindful that a man's satisfaction is more important than a woman's. When he reaches his moment of fulfilment a small moan from yourself is encouraging to him and quite sufficient to indicate any enjoyment that you may have had. Should your husband suggest any of the more unusual practices be obedient and uncomplaining but register any reluctance by remaining silent. It is likely that your husband will then fall promptly asleep so adjust your clothing, freshen up and apply your night-time face and hair care products. You may then set the alarm so that you can arise shortly before him in the morning. This will enable you to have his morning cup of tea ready when he awakes."

Good Lord! They published crap like that?! Signed, Horrified modern woman - Angela eye wrote: >G'day to you all and hope you are all well and happy!!!! > >I had a great laugh at this and thought I might share it. > >I give you permission to growl at me if you think its to naughty for the list Donna but thought I would give to a go. > >Well I must go put my rollers in my hair!! >Night All!!! >Irene > >This is an actual extract from a sex education school textbook for girls, >printed in the early 60's in the UK, written by a woman! > >"When retiring to the bedroom, prepare yourself for bed as promptly as >possible. Whilst feminine hygiene is of the utmost importance, your tired >husband does not want to queue for the bathroom, as he would have to do for >his train. But remember to look your best when going to bed. Try to achieve >a look that is welcoming without being obvious. If you need to apply >face-cream or hair-rollers wait until he is asleep as this can be shocking >to a man last thing at night. > >When it comes to the possibility of intimate relations with your husband it >is important to remember your marriage vows and in particular your >commitment to obey him. If he feels that he needs to sleep immediately then >so be it. In all things be led by your husband's wishes; do not pressure him >in any way to stimulate intimacy. Should your husband suggest congress then >agree humbly all the while being mindful that a man's satisfaction is more >important than a woman's. When he reaches his moment of fulfilment a small >moan from yourself is encouraging to him and quite sufficient to indicate >any enjoyment that you may have had. > >Should your husband suggest any of the more unusual practices be obedient >and uncomplaining but register any reluctance by remaining silent. It is >likely that your husband will then fall promptly asleep so adjust your >clothing, freshen up and apply your night-time face and hair care products. >You may then set the alarm so that you can arise shortly before him in the >morning. This will enable you to have his morning cup of tea ready when he >awakes." > > >==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== >LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - >UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA >http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > > > >

Hi all found this on one of the websites:- Western Gazette extracts Tolpuddle 8 March 1901 Each cottager in this village has within the past few weeks received a gift of coal and rabbits by Messrs Crane and Radcliffe of this parish. Rabbit pie all round? All we get are council price increases! cheers all Sally

Thank you to those who have responded re. my question about John Loveless and his family. In return - a ('tasteful!!') funnee. Cheers, Carol When God was busy creating.... >On the first day God created the cow. God said, "You must go to the >field with the farmer all day long and suffer under the sun, have calves >and give milk to support the farmer. I will give you a life span of >sixty years." >The cow said, "That's a pretty tough life you want me to live for sixty >years. Let me have twenty years and I'll give back the other forty." And >God agreed. > >On the second day, God created the dog. God said, "Sit all day by the >door of your house and bark at anyone who comes in or walks past. I will >give you a life span of twenty years." The dog said, "That's too long to >be barking. Give me ten years and I'll give back the other ten." So God >agreed. > >On the third day God created the monkey. God said, "Entertain people, do >monkey tricks, make them laugh. I'll give you a twenty-year life span." >The monkey said, "How boring, monkey tricks for twenty years? I don't >think so. Dog gave you back ten, so that's what I'll do too, okay?" And >God agreed again (sigh). > >On the fourth day God created man. God said, "Eat, sleep, play, make >love, enjoy. Do nothing, just enjoy, enjoy. I'll give you twenty years." >The man said, "What? Only twenty years? No way man. Tell you what, I'll >take my twenty, and the forty cow gave back, and the ten dog gave back >and the ten monkey gave back. That makes eighty, okay?" >"Okay," said God. "You've got a deal." > >So that is why for the first twenty years we eat, sleep, play, make >love, enjoy, and do nothing. For the next forty years, we slave in the >sun to support our family; for the next ten years we do monkey tricks to >entertain our grandchildren; and for the last ten years we sit in front >of the house and bark at everybody.

Greetings Carol & others interested in these folk who are my line too. I have John's Dad as Thomas Loveless born 1676 in Buckland Newton. He married 1) Hester Hutchins 6.4.1702 and 2) Margaret Davis also of Buck. Newt. 6.4.1713. Due to a recent move, I haven't yet unpacked all my data but seem to remember that I found this in Buck. Newt. Parish Regs. but please check it out. Agree John had a brother James. Cheers & thanks for forwarding on back emails Donna. Dawn

Hi Carol In your response to your question - Does anyone have information about John Loveless's (married to Thomasina Gould - 1746) parents? For some reason I believe that John's father was a Thomas Loveless. See Paul Pearson's mail below - I came across it whilst browsing the archives. It appears to offer an answer. Bye Bye Malcolm >Hi all > >Recently joined the site. I live in Poole which is approx 15 miles from >Tolpuddle where the original Martyrs lived. Although the village has a new >by-pass now I often take a detour and go through the village. The Museum >has been upgraded and is a big improvement on what it used to be. > >My maternal grand mother was a Loveless and it was always said in the >family that in some way they were related to the Tolpuddle Martyrs.There >was no evidence handed down and it has taken years to find the connection. >My James Loveless 1729-1789 was the brother of John Loveless bap 1731. >There parents were Thomas Loveless bap 1676 and Margaret Davies bap approx >1695. They were married on 6.4.1713 ans Margaret came from Buckland Newton >Dorset, Johns grand son's were George and James Loveless-two of the Martyrs. > >If anyone is connected to these Lovelesses I would be pleased to hear from >them. > >Regards >Paul Pearson. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Park" <brecas@dnet.net.au> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 10:59 AM Subject: [TOL] Loveless activity! > It's great to see new activity on the list - Hi Irene!!!! - (don't ask...life didn't improve greatly since new year...) > With new people reading the mails I am going fishing for anyone who may have anything fresh on my old lot: > I am still hunting for Thomas Loveless m. Jane Fry in 1748 Long Bredy. I know they had Anne Loveless and Thomas Loveless, I believe they had several other children inbetween. Does anyone have anything linked? Thomas was father to Henry Loveless. This family remained in Long Bredy until the 1830s when they took off for Kent which makes me wonder why....... > > Does anyone have information about John Loveless's (married to Thomasina Gould - 1746) parents? For some reason I believe that John's father was a Thomas Loveless. > > Anyway - worth a shot. Nice to hear the activity and some 'wins'! > And I wish I had a funnee to add but my suppliers seem to have stopped since New Year! > Cheers, Carol > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs >

It's great to see new activity on the list - Hi Irene!!!! - (don't ask...life didn't improve greatly since new year...) With new people reading the mails I am going fishing for anyone who may have anything fresh on my old lot: I am still hunting for Thomas Loveless m. Jane Fry in 1748 Long Bredy. I know they had Anne Loveless and Thomas Loveless, I believe they had several other children inbetween. Does anyone have anything linked? Thomas was father to Henry Loveless. This family remained in Long Bredy until the 1830s when they took off for Kent which makes me wonder why....... Does anyone have information about John Loveless's (married to Thomasina Gould - 1746) parents? For some reason I believe that John's father was a Thomas Loveless. Anyway - worth a shot. Nice to hear the activity and some 'wins'! And I wish I had a funnee to add but my suppliers seem to have stopped since New Year! Cheers, Carol

Irene Thanks responding to my first email to the Tolpuddle Mailing List. It provided verification of authenticity of the Loveless line presented online by Donna King and gave me a number of second christian names for the chidren of Robert Loveless and Esther Loveless. Their daughter, Amelia Jane Loveless was unkown to me (she's not included in Donna's 'Loveless' tree). I have recently purchased the birth certificate for my grandmother, Evelyn Ethel Loveless and her father is recorded as James Samson Loveless so I am reasonable confident of the relationship although It remains for me to obtain my grandmother's marriage and death certificate and a good quality copy of my mother's birth certificate to make absolutely sure of my claims. Again thanks for your help. Bye for now Malcolm

Hi Rob I have recently purchased the birth certificate for my grandmother, Evelyn Ethel Loveless and her father is recorded as James Samson Loveless so I am reasonable confident of the relationship although it remains for me to obtain my grandmother's marriage and death certificate and a good quality copy of my mother's birth certificate to make absolutely sure of my claims. Therefore subject to any unforseen shocks, I believe we are second cousins having common gt. gt. grandparents and common gt uncles/aunts. It's my guess that the sons of Robert Loveless and Esther Sansom moved from the sticks into the Bournemouth district circa 1890. Bournemouth was still a new and fast growing town at the end of the 19th century so it's not unreasonable to guess that the Loveless boys moved from the sticks to find work. On seeing you response, I made a search for GRO indexes to BMD on the website FreeBMD, searching on your gt. grandfather and grandfather names which successfully returned a possible birth and marriage index for Francis Harold Loveless and a possible birth index for your grandfather, Percival Roland Loveless. It is also possible to retrieve an index for a possible wife for Frances (2 choices available). Let me know if you want the detail (you may want the fun of searching for yourself). At one time my gran (Evelyn Ethel Loveless aka Ethel) lived with her spouse and children in several locations in Bournemouth, one of these being Markham Rd, Charminster not far from Alma Road. Their last home was adjacent to Normans Garage in Walisdown opposite the recreation ground (this has long been knocked down and used as extra forecourt for the garage). Also Rob, if you know Alma Road, you may be familiar with these landmarks, Winton Rec, the Continental Cinema (now knocked down) and Stokewood Rd Swimming Baths (the old wash rooms). Anyway goodbye for now, hope to hear from you or anyone else on the list who has any info on the Loveless families in Bournmouth 1890 onwards who have Robert Loveless and Esther Sansom as their ancestors. Malcolm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Loveless" <rob.loveless@ntlworld.com> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 11:31 PM Subject: RE: [TOL] Loveless of Tolpuddle > Hi Malcolm & the rest of the list, > > I joined the list some time ago but lost track when my old PC died before I > could rescue info on it. I have, however followed the trail of Emails that > continued as my address didn't change. > > It was reading the info below that prompted this reply, & has pushed me back > to 'getting my self together' & trying to do my family tree. So re-intro's > at the ready. > > My name is Robert Loveless & I believe that I am from the line of John > Loveless & Thomasin Gould (M 1746) > > Working backwards I have my father, William John (1920-1994,who married my > mother, who is still living, in 1960. > His father was Percival Roland Loveless (B189?) & was married to Ethel > Victoria Cox. > They had 4 children, 2 surviving. > His father was Francis Harold Loveless (B1873) > & here joins a well documented tree as found on the web. > > So far all I have is a hand written/drawn tree that was given to me by my > father (from JL & TG in 1746 to present), some odds from his brother & > sister (not much help here) but a photo of me at about age 2 with my great > grand father, one Francis Harold Loveless. Also I know my grand mother & > father had a house in Alma Road, Winton, Bournemouth. I remember this house > well & is said to be were the photo with my G. grandfather was taken. Not a > million miles away from Malcolm's Boscombe address below? > > This has become a project now for me to give me Mum something as a finished > article & also so my children can see their history. > > To that end, any help as to how I go about this, what software is going to > be best etc, is going to be very gratefully accepted. > > looking forward to your replies > > Rob > > -----Original Message----- > From: eye [mailto:eye22@bigpond.com] > Sent: 11 February 2004 11:54 > To: TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [TOL] Loveless of Tolpuddle > > > Hi Malcolm > The children I have for Robert Loveless and Esther Samson (have seen her > also as Ellen Samson) are > Amelia Jane Bapt 15 Jan 1865 > James Samson Loveless Bapt 12 Apr 1867 Tolpuddle > Alice Laura Loveless I have two dates for Alice perhaps the first is her > birth, perhaps one is wrong B 25 Jul 1869. & Bapt 15 Jan 1870 > Francis Harold Bapt 17 Aug 1878 Tolpuddle > William H Bapt 1877 > I presume that all the children would have been baptised in Tolpuddle, I > have record of the family living in Moreton Dorset in one of the census's, I > think it is 1871, will check. > Records of these baptisms are in the Tolpuddle Bishops Transcripts, in the > records full names of the both parents are listed, Robert Loveless and > Esther Samson, Robert's occupation is listed as a Mason.. > Robert Loveless Bapt 3 Mar 1840 is the son of Edward Loveless and Ann > Bartlett. > As you know this is also Donna's family tree and Jackie Keck's (Hi girls!!) > and if anyone else, sorry I forget. > Edward is the son of William Loveless and Jane Hoare. > William is the son of John Loveless and Judith Hibbs and this is your > connection to the Tolpuddle Martyrs, John is the Uncle of George and James > the TM's, he is the brother of Thomas Loveless TM Dad. > Is that clear as mud or what:-))) > Please correct me if I got that wrong girls, other than the dates, I ran it > off my head. > So Malcolm to be sure that your granny Evelyn Ethel May Loveless is the > daughter of James Samson Loveless shouldn't be hard. You would get that from > her birth certificate. > I have not typed out the whole tree because as you said Donna has it on the > net. > I hope this is a help to you. > Bye for now > Irene > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Malcolm Tarrant" <mtarrant@onetel.net.uk> > To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 1:16 PM > Subject: [TOL] Loveless of Tolpuddle > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > As I am new to the mailing list, I thought it proper that I introduce > myself > > and announce my interest in the Loveless family and the Tolpuddle Martyrs. > > > > Well I'm Malcolm Tarrant living in Ipswich, Suffolk, England and I have > > started researching the claim that my grandmother was related to the > > Tolpuddle Martyrs. (I have heard this said since I was a lad!) > > > > It's early days in my research and I am currently verifying information > that > > my maternal grandmother, Evelyn Ethel May Loveless (born 1906) married > Cyril > > William Augustus Ford (1927) who I believe was the daughter of James > Sansom > > Loveless and Ann Sarah Berrett living at 7 Portman Road, Boscombe, > > Bournemouth, England during the 1901 census. I also have a strong > suspicion > > that this James Sansom Loveless is the child of Robert Loveless and Ester > > Sansom (Descendants of John Loveless - published on the internet by Donna > > King). > > > > A William Loveless married to Frances is also recorded as living at 7 > > Portman Road, I suspect that he is the brother of James Sansom Loveless > who > > is shown as a child of Robert Loveless and Ester Sansom (Descendants of > John > > Loveless - published on the internet by Donna King). > > > > The occupation of James and William Loveless is recorded as Carpenters in > > the 1901 census. > > > > In support of this my father talks of the Loveless family in Portland > Road, > > Boscombe (which I suspect is Portman Road) and he also names Archie and > Maud > > Loveless who appear as children of James Sansom Loveless in the 1901 > census. > > He also tells me that Maud Loveless looked after my Mother(deceased) for a > > short period when she was a child. > > > > So I would welcome any help in my efforts to establish whether my > > grandmother is linked to the Loveless family of Tolpuddle and the > Tolpuddle > > Martyrs and any help in verifying my suspicion that James Sansom Loveless > is > > the son of Robert Loveless. > > > > Now it's time to go to bed (it's 2am here in the UK) so Goodnight or > should > > it be Good Morning to you all! > > > > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > > > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > > > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs >

Hello Rob, I have just seen your email on the Tolpuddle list and was wondering if you have come across a Thomas Loveless b1912. The reason I ask is my grandfather Thomas Loveless lived in Christchurch and I believe Winton for a while. Until this mail I haven't come across many Loveless' in the Winton and Bournemouth area at all. If you have any info I would like to hear from you. Regards Gary Chaffey P.S. I have got my line back to early 1800s but have then hit a brick wall with a Joseph Loveless b early 1800s. Rob Loveless <rob.loveless@ntlworld.com> wrote: Hi Malcolm & the rest of the list, I joined the list some time ago but lost track when my old PC died before I could rescue info on it. I have, however followed the trail of Emails that continued as my address didn't change. It was reading the info below that prompted this reply, & has pushed me back to 'getting my self together' & trying to do my family tree. So re-intro's at the ready. My name is Robert Loveless & I believe that I am from the line of John Loveless & Thomasin Gould (M 1746) Working backwards I have my father, William John (1920-1994,who married my mother, who is still living, in 1960. His father was Percival Roland Loveless (B189?) & was married to Ethel Victoria Cox. They had 4 children, 2 surviving. His father was Francis Harold Loveless (B1873) & here joins a well documented tree as found on the web. So far all I have is a hand written/drawn tree that was given to me by my father (from JL & TG in 1746 to present), some odds from his brother & sister (not much help here) but a photo of me at about age 2 with my great grand father, one Francis Harold Loveless. Also I know my grand mother & father had a house in Alma Road, Winton, Bournemouth. I remember this house well & is said to be were the photo with my G. grandfather was taken. Not a million miles away from Malcolm's Boscombe address below? This has become a project now for me to give me Mum something as a finished article & also so my children can see their history. To that end, any help as to how I go about this, what software is going to be best etc, is going to be very gratefully accepted. looking forward to your replies Rob -----Original Message----- From: eye [mailto:eye22@bigpond.com] Sent: 11 February 2004 11:54 To: TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TOL] Loveless of Tolpuddle Hi Malcolm The children I have for Robert Loveless and Esther Samson (have seen her also as Ellen Samson) are Amelia Jane Bapt 15 Jan 1865 James Samson Loveless Bapt 12 Apr 1867 Tolpuddle Alice Laura Loveless I have two dates for Alice perhaps the first is her birth, perhaps one is wrong B 25 Jul 1869. & Bapt 15 Jan 1870 Francis Harold Bapt 17 Aug 1878 Tolpuddle William H Bapt 1877 I presume that all the children would have been baptised in Tolpuddle, I have record of the family living in Moreton Dorset in one of the census's, I think it is 1871, will check. Records of these baptisms are in the Tolpuddle Bishops Transcripts, in the records full names of the both parents are listed, Robert Loveless and Esther Samson, Robert's occupation is listed as a Mason.. Robert Loveless Bapt 3 Mar 1840 is the son of Edward Loveless and Ann Bartlett. As you know this is also Donna's family tree and Jackie Keck's (Hi girls!!) and if anyone else, sorry I forget. Edward is the son of William Loveless and Jane Hoare. William is the son of John Loveless and Judith Hibbs and this is your connection to the Tolpuddle Martyrs, John is the Uncle of George and James the TM's, he is the brother of Thomas Loveless TM Dad. Is that clear as mud or what:-))) Please correct me if I got that wrong girls, other than the dates, I ran it off my head. So Malcolm to be sure that your granny Evelyn Ethel May Loveless is the daughter of James Samson Loveless shouldn't be hard. You would get that from her birth certificate. I have not typed out the whole tree because as you said Donna has it on the net. I hope this is a help to you. Bye for now Irene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Malcolm Tarrant" To: Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 1:16 PM Subject: [TOL] Loveless of Tolpuddle > Hi everyone, > > As I am new to the mailing list, I thought it proper that I introduce myself > and announce my interest in the Loveless family and the Tolpuddle Martyrs. > > Well I'm Malcolm Tarrant living in Ipswich, Suffolk, England and I have > started researching the claim that my grandmother was related to the > Tolpuddle Martyrs. (I have heard this said since I was a lad!) > > It's early days in my research and I am currently verifying information that > my maternal grandmother, Evelyn Ethel May Loveless (born 1906) married Cyril > William Augustus Ford (1927) who I believe was the daughter of James Sansom > Loveless and Ann Sarah Berrett living at 7 Portman Road, Boscombe, > Bournemouth, England during the 1901 census. I also have a strong suspicion > that this James Sansom Loveless is the child of Robert Loveless and Ester > Sansom (Descendants of John Loveless - published on the internet by Donna > King). > > A William Loveless married to Frances is also recorded as living at 7 > Portman Road, I suspect that he is the brother of James Sansom Loveless who > is shown as a child of Robert Loveless and Ester Sansom (Descendants of John > Loveless - published on the internet by Donna King). > > The occupation of James and William Loveless is recorded as Carpenters in > the 1901 census. > > In support of this my father talks of the Loveless family in Portland Road, > Boscombe (which I suspect is Portman Road) and he also names Archie and Maud > Loveless who appear as children of James Sansom Loveless in the 1901 census. > He also tells me that Maud Loveless looked after my Mother(deceased) for a > short period when she was a child. > > So I would welcome any help in my efforts to establish whether my > grandmother is linked to the Loveless family of Tolpuddle and the Tolpuddle > Martyrs and any help in verifying my suspicion that James Sansom Loveless is > the son of Robert Loveless. > > Now it's time to go to bed (it's 2am here in the UK) so Goodnight or should > it be Good Morning to you all! > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs --------------------------------- BT Yahoo! 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Malcolm - thanks for your email. It appears that I need to update my family history on the internet. I do now have Amelia Jane Loveless on my family tree in my Family Tree program on my computer. I can send you the family history separately if you would like to have it. Please advise. Donna King List Owner Tolpuddle/Cannell Mailing Lists deking@rogers.com LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs Donna's Genealogy Page http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Park/3288 We could learn a lot from crayons: some are sharp, some are pretty, some are dull, some have weird names, and all are different colors...but they all have to learn to live in the same box. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Malcolm Tarrant" <mtarrant@onetel.net.uk> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 5:30 PM Subject: [TOL] Thanks for Loveless info. > Irene > > Thanks responding to my first email to the Tolpuddle Mailing List. It provided verification of authenticity of the Loveless line presented online by Donna King and gave me a number of second christian names for the chidren of Robert Loveless and Esther Loveless. Their daughter, Amelia Jane Loveless was unkown to me (she's not included in Donna's 'Loveless' tree). > > I have recently purchased the birth certificate for my grandmother, Evelyn Ethel Loveless and her father is recorded as James Samson Loveless so I am reasonable confident of the relationship although It remains for me to obtain my grandmother's marriage and death certificate and a good quality copy of my mother's birth certificate to make absolutely sure of my claims. > > Again thanks for your help. > > Bye for now > > Malcolm > > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs >

Malcom - Welcome again to the Tolpuddle Mailing List The following is the information that I have on Francis Harold Loveless. Francis was the son of Robert Loveless who was brother to William Loveless - which is my 3X great-grandfather on my maternal side. Baptism recorded in Tolpuddle Parish Register 1873 August 17th - Francis Harold son of, Robert and Esther, Loveless, Tolpuddle, Mason, by George L. Vicar Listed as being 11 years of age on the 1851 census. Occupation listed as Mason on baptism sheet for Francis Harold Loveless. 1881 Census - Tolpuddle, Dorset, England LOVELESS, Robert Christening Gender: Male Christening Date: 8 Mar 1840 Recorded in: Tolpuddle, Dorset, England Father: Edward LOVELESS Mother: Ann Source: FHL Film 1239251 Dates: 1825 - 1847 Baptism transcribed from Baptisms 1838-1996 - Tolpuddle Parish Registers - Dorchester Record Office 8 Mar. 1840 - Robert - s/o - Edward - Ann - Tolpuddle, Dorset 1851 Census - Tolpuddle, Dorset, England Loveless Robert - 11 - Y - 1840 - Tolpuddle Dorset England Tolpuddle 1858 308 0 1881 Census - Moreton, Dorset, England Dwelling: Village Census Place: Moreton, Dorset, England Source: FHL Film 1341507 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2102 Folio 131 Page 6 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Robert LOVELESS M 41 M Tolpuddle, Dorset, England Rel: Head Occ: Bricklayer Esther LOVELESS M 46 F Tolpuddle, Dorset, England Rel: Wife James S. LOVELESS U 14 M Tolpuddle, Dorset, England Rel: Son Occ: Bricklayers Lab Alice L. LOVELESS 11 F Tolpuddle, Dorset, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Francis H. LOVELESS 7 M Tolpuddle, Dorset, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar William H. LOVELESS 6 M Moreton, Dorset, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar I have no record of a Percival Roland Loveless on my family tree. Donna King List Owner Tolpuddle/Cannell Mailing Lists deking@rogers.com LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs Donna's Genealogy Page http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Park/3288 We could learn a lot from crayons: some are sharp, some are pretty, some are dull, some have weird names, and all are different colors...but they all have to learn to live in the same box. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Malcolm Tarrant" <mtarrant@onetel.net.uk> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [TOL] Loveless of Tolpuddle > Hi Rob > > I have recently purchased the birth certificate for my grandmother, Evelyn > Ethel Loveless and her father is recorded as James Samson Loveless so I am > reasonable confident of the relationship although it remains for me to > obtain my grandmother's marriage and death certificate and a good quality > copy of my mother's birth certificate to make absolutely sure of my claims. > Therefore subject to any unforseen shocks, I believe we are second cousins > having common gt. gt. grandparents and common gt uncles/aunts. > > It's my guess that the sons of Robert Loveless and Esther Sansom moved from > the sticks into the Bournemouth district circa 1890. Bournemouth was still a > new > and fast growing town at the end of the 19th century so it's not > unreasonable to guess that the Loveless boys moved from the sticks to find > work. > > On seeing you response, I made a search for GRO indexes to BMD on the > website FreeBMD, searching on your gt. grandfather and grandfather names > which successfully returned a possible birth and marriage index for Francis > Harold Loveless and a possible birth index for your grandfather, Percival > Roland Loveless. It is also possible to retrieve an index for a possible > wife for > Frances (2 choices available). Let me know if you want the detail (you may > want the fun of searching for yourself). > > At one time my gran (Evelyn Ethel Loveless aka Ethel) lived with her spouse > and children in several locations in Bournemouth, one of these being Markham > Rd, Charminster not far from Alma Road. Their last home was adjacent to > Normans Garage in Walisdown opposite the recreation ground (this has long > been knocked down and used as extra forecourt for the garage). Also Rob, if > you know Alma Road, you may be familiar with these landmarks, Winton Rec, > the Continental Cinema (now knocked down) and Stokewood Rd Swimming Baths > (the old wash rooms). > > Anyway goodbye for now, hope to hear from you or anyone else on the list who > has any info on the Loveless families in Bournmouth 1890 onwards who have > Robert Loveless and Esther Sansom as their ancestors. > > Malcolm > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob Loveless" <rob.loveless@ntlworld.com> > To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 11:31 PM > Subject: RE: [TOL] Loveless of Tolpuddle > > > > Hi Malcolm & the rest of the list, > > > > I joined the list some time ago but lost track when my old PC died before > I > > could rescue info on it. I have, however followed the trail of Emails that > > continued as my address didn't change. > > > > It was reading the info below that prompted this reply, & has pushed me > back > > to 'getting my self together' & trying to do my family tree. So re-intro's > > at the ready. > > > > My name is Robert Loveless & I believe that I am from the line of John > > Loveless & Thomasin Gould (M 1746) > > > > Working backwards I have my father, William John (1920-1994,who married my > > > mother, who is still living, in 1960. > > His father was Percival Roland Loveless (B189?) & was married to Ethel > > Victoria Cox. > > They had 4 children, 2 surviving. > > His father was Francis Harold Loveless (B1873) > > & here joins a well documented tree as found on the web. > > > > So far all I have is a hand written/drawn tree that was given to me by my > > father (from JL & TG in 1746 to present), some odds from his brother & > > sister (not much help here) but a photo of me at about age 2 with my great > > grand father, one Francis Harold Loveless. Also I know my grand mother & > > father had a house in Alma Road, Winton, Bournemouth. I remember this > house > > well & is said to be were the photo with my G. grandfather was taken. Not > a > > million miles away from Malcolm's Boscombe address below? > > > > This has become a project now for me to give me Mum something as a > finished > > article & also so my children can see their history. > > > > To that end, any help as to how I go about this, what software is going to > > be best etc, is going to be very gratefully accepted. > > > > looking forward to your replies > > > > Rob > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: eye [mailto:eye22@bigpond.com] > > Sent: 11 February 2004 11:54 > > To: TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [TOL] Loveless of Tolpuddle > > > > > > Hi Malcolm > > The children I have for Robert Loveless and Esther Samson (have seen her > > also as Ellen Samson) are > > Amelia Jane Bapt 15 Jan 1865 > > James Samson Loveless Bapt 12 Apr 1867 Tolpuddle > > Alice Laura Loveless I have two dates for Alice perhaps the first is her > > birth, perhaps one is wrong B 25 Jul 1869. & Bapt 15 Jan 1870 > > Francis Harold Bapt 17 Aug 1878 Tolpuddle > > William H Bapt 1877 > > I presume that all the children would have been baptised in Tolpuddle, I > > have record of the family living in Moreton Dorset in one of the census's, > I > > think it is 1871, will check. > > Records of these baptisms are in the Tolpuddle Bishops Transcripts, in the > > records full names of the both parents are listed, Robert Loveless and > > Esther Samson, Robert's occupation is listed as a Mason.. > > Robert Loveless Bapt 3 Mar 1840 is the son of Edward Loveless and Ann > > Bartlett. > > As you know this is also Donna's family tree and Jackie Keck's (Hi > girls!!) > > and if anyone else, sorry I forget. > > Edward is the son of William Loveless and Jane Hoare. > > William is the son of John Loveless and Judith Hibbs and this is your > > connection to the Tolpuddle Martyrs, John is the Uncle of George and James > > the TM's, he is the brother of Thomas Loveless TM Dad. > > Is that clear as mud or what:-))) > > Please correct me if I got that wrong girls, other than the dates, I ran > it > > off my head. > > So Malcolm to be sure that your granny Evelyn Ethel May Loveless is the > > daughter of James Samson Loveless shouldn't be hard. You would get that > from > > her birth certificate. > > I have not typed out the whole tree because as you said Donna has it on > the > > net. > > I hope this is a help to you. > > Bye for now > > Irene > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Malcolm Tarrant" <mtarrant@onetel.net.uk> > > To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 1:16 PM > > Subject: [TOL] Loveless of Tolpuddle > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > As I am new to the mailing list, I thought it proper that I introduce > > myself > > > and announce my interest in the Loveless family and the Tolpuddle > Martyrs. > > > > > > Well I'm Malcolm Tarrant living in Ipswich, Suffolk, England and I have > > > started researching the claim that my grandmother was related to the > > > Tolpuddle Martyrs. (I have heard this said since I was a lad!) > > > > > > It's early days in my research and I am currently verifying information > > that > > > my maternal grandmother, Evelyn Ethel May Loveless (born 1906) married > > Cyril > > > William Augustus Ford (1927) who I believe was the daughter of James > > Sansom > > > Loveless and Ann Sarah Berrett living at 7 Portman Road, Boscombe, > > > Bournemouth, England during the 1901 census. I also have a strong > > suspicion > > > that this James Sansom Loveless is the child of Robert Loveless and > Ester > > > Sansom (Descendants of John Loveless - published on the internet by > Donna > > > King). > > > > > > A William Loveless married to Frances is also recorded as living at 7 > > > Portman Road, I suspect that he is the brother of James Sansom Loveless > > who > > > is shown as a child of Robert Loveless and Ester Sansom (Descendants of > > John > > > Loveless - published on the internet by Donna King). > > > > > > The occupation of James and William Loveless is recorded as Carpenters > in > > > the 1901 census. > > > > > > In support of this my father talks of the Loveless family in Portland > > Road, > > > Boscombe (which I suspect is Portman Road) and he also names Archie and > > Maud > > > Loveless who appear as children of James Sansom Loveless in the 1901 > > census. > > > He also tells me that Maud Loveless looked after my Mother(deceased) for > a > > > short period when she was a child. > > > > > > So I would welcome any help in my efforts to establish whether my > > > grandmother is linked to the Loveless family of Tolpuddle and the > > Tolpuddle > > > Martyrs and any help in verifying my suspicion that James Sansom > Loveless > > is > > > the son of Robert Loveless. > > > > > > Now it's time to go to bed (it's 2am here in the UK) so Goodnight or > > should > > > it be Good Morning to you all! > > > > > > > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > > > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > > > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > > > > > > > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > > > > > > > > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > > > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs >

At 05:19 AM 2/14/2004 -0700, Rob Loveless wrote: >This has become a project now for me to give me Mum something as a >finished article & also so my children can see their history. > >To that end, any help as to how I go about this, what software is going to >be best etc, is going to be very gratefully accepted. Hey, Rob... Check out "The Master Genealogist" from WhollyGenes Software. Here's the website: http://www.whollygenes.com/tmg5.htm The release of version 5 was just made, after a long wait of several years. It's a great program, but it may take some time to learn many of the advanced features. But it is definitely the best program I have ever used! Peace, Part of the Tree, Greg --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]

Hi Malcolm & the rest of the list, I joined the list some time ago but lost track when my old PC died before I could rescue info on it. I have, however followed the trail of Emails that continued as my address didn't change. It was reading the info below that prompted this reply, & has pushed me back to 'getting my self together' & trying to do my family tree. So re-intro's at the ready. My name is Robert Loveless & I believe that I am from the line of John Loveless & Thomasin Gould (M 1746) Working backwards I have my father, William John (1920-1994,who married my mother, who is still living, in 1960. His father was Percival Roland Loveless (B189?) & was married to Ethel Victoria Cox. They had 4 children, 2 surviving. His father was Francis Harold Loveless (B1873) & here joins a well documented tree as found on the web. So far all I have is a hand written/drawn tree that was given to me by my father (from JL & TG in 1746 to present), some odds from his brother & sister (not much help here) but a photo of me at about age 2 with my great grand father, one Francis Harold Loveless. Also I know my grand mother & father had a house in Alma Road, Winton, Bournemouth. I remember this house well & is said to be were the photo with my G. grandfather was taken. Not a million miles away from Malcolm's Boscombe address below? This has become a project now for me to give me Mum something as a finished article & also so my children can see their history. To that end, any help as to how I go about this, what software is going to be best etc, is going to be very gratefully accepted. looking forward to your replies Rob -----Original Message----- From: eye [mailto:eye22@bigpond.com] Sent: 11 February 2004 11:54 To: TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TOL] Loveless of Tolpuddle Hi Malcolm The children I have for Robert Loveless and Esther Samson (have seen her also as Ellen Samson) are Amelia Jane Bapt 15 Jan 1865 James Samson Loveless Bapt 12 Apr 1867 Tolpuddle Alice Laura Loveless I have two dates for Alice perhaps the first is her birth, perhaps one is wrong B 25 Jul 1869. & Bapt 15 Jan 1870 Francis Harold Bapt 17 Aug 1878 Tolpuddle William H Bapt 1877 I presume that all the children would have been baptised in Tolpuddle, I have record of the family living in Moreton Dorset in one of the census's, I think it is 1871, will check. Records of these baptisms are in the Tolpuddle Bishops Transcripts, in the records full names of the both parents are listed, Robert Loveless and Esther Samson, Robert's occupation is listed as a Mason.. Robert Loveless Bapt 3 Mar 1840 is the son of Edward Loveless and Ann Bartlett. As you know this is also Donna's family tree and Jackie Keck's (Hi girls!!) and if anyone else, sorry I forget. Edward is the son of William Loveless and Jane Hoare. William is the son of John Loveless and Judith Hibbs and this is your connection to the Tolpuddle Martyrs, John is the Uncle of George and James the TM's, he is the brother of Thomas Loveless TM Dad. Is that clear as mud or what:-))) Please correct me if I got that wrong girls, other than the dates, I ran it off my head. So Malcolm to be sure that your granny Evelyn Ethel May Loveless is the daughter of James Samson Loveless shouldn't be hard. You would get that from her birth certificate. I have not typed out the whole tree because as you said Donna has it on the net. I hope this is a help to you. Bye for now Irene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Malcolm Tarrant" <mtarrant@onetel.net.uk> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 1:16 PM Subject: [TOL] Loveless of Tolpuddle > Hi everyone, > > As I am new to the mailing list, I thought it proper that I introduce myself > and announce my interest in the Loveless family and the Tolpuddle Martyrs. > > Well I'm Malcolm Tarrant living in Ipswich, Suffolk, England and I have > started researching the claim that my grandmother was related to the > Tolpuddle Martyrs. (I have heard this said since I was a lad!) > > It's early days in my research and I am currently verifying information that > my maternal grandmother, Evelyn Ethel May Loveless (born 1906) married Cyril > William Augustus Ford (1927) who I believe was the daughter of James Sansom > Loveless and Ann Sarah Berrett living at 7 Portman Road, Boscombe, > Bournemouth, England during the 1901 census. I also have a strong suspicion > that this James Sansom Loveless is the child of Robert Loveless and Ester > Sansom (Descendants of John Loveless - published on the internet by Donna > King). > > A William Loveless married to Frances is also recorded as living at 7 > Portman Road, I suspect that he is the brother of James Sansom Loveless who > is shown as a child of Robert Loveless and Ester Sansom (Descendants of John > Loveless - published on the internet by Donna King). > > The occupation of James and William Loveless is recorded as Carpenters in > the 1901 census. > > In support of this my father talks of the Loveless family in Portland Road, > Boscombe (which I suspect is Portman Road) and he also names Archie and Maud > Loveless who appear as children of James Sansom Loveless in the 1901 census. > He also tells me that Maud Loveless looked after my Mother(deceased) for a > short period when she was a child. > > So I would welcome any help in my efforts to establish whether my > grandmother is linked to the Loveless family of Tolpuddle and the Tolpuddle > Martyrs and any help in verifying my suspicion that James Sansom Loveless is > the son of Robert Loveless. > > Now it's time to go to bed (it's 2am here in the UK) so Goodnight or should > it be Good Morning to you all! > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs