Irene - thanks for the funnie. Our summer is ending here in Ontario, Canada. The children are back to school and soon winter will be upon us. Hope all is well in your little corner of the world. cheers, Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eye" <eye22@bigpond.com> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 6:37 PM Subject: [TOL] Nice funny to share > > > Hi all > Thought you might all enjoy this. > Eye > > > > > > Subject: Romance > > ROMANCE > An older couple were lying in bed one night. The husband was falling > asleep but the wife was in a romantic mood and wanted to talk. She said: > "You used to hold my hand when we were courting." Wearily he reached > across, held her hand for a second and tried to get back to sleep. A few > moments later she said: "Then you used to kiss me. "Mildly irritated, he > reached across, gave her a peck on the cheek > and settled down to sleep. Thirty seconds later she said: "Then you used > to bite my > neck." Angrily, he threw back the bed clothes and got out of bed. "Where > are you going?" > she asked. > "To get my teeth!" > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > >
Martin I do not know if this is of any help to you but a John Lovelace from Mosterton was recorded as living in Portland in the 1851 census as a Mason. His wife Anne had died in the preceding months and was buried in Mosterton but could well have been living elsewhere. John was living with his two sons from his first marriage Jonathon and Mark Rendell Loveless. John's mother's name was Grace as was the daughter of William Henry. This may be coincidence but on the other hand if you have hit a brick wall it may be worth looking into. Howard Martin. PS Have you got the marriage certificate of William Henry to Mary Jane May as this would tell you his father's name? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Willcocks" <martinwill2@comcast.net> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 11:30 PM Subject: [TOL] LOVELESS in Hampshre > Hi all: > > Seems to be some new activity on the list these days so I thought I'd > post my Hampshire LOVEMESS names again, in hope that someone may connect > to them. > > William Henry LOVELESS, b. 1853, married Mary Jane MAY, b. 1857, > Portsea, in DecQtr 1875, Portsea, and they had the following children: > William Henry LOVELESS b. SepQtr 1876 > May Grace LOVELESS b. 1880 d. DecQtr 1879, age 7. > > William Henry m. DecQtr 1901 at Portsmouth to either Ada May COUSINS ot > Maude WEBB. I favour COUSINS as there was a connection to WILLCOCKS in > the form of Thomas Cousins WILLCOCKS, and these families were in close > proximity to each other, > > Their child, probably, was > William Henry V LOVELESS b. DecQtr 1908, Portsmouth. > (This would make William Henry (1853) the third to bear that name. In > which case I'm still looking for William Henry LOVELESS in two earlier > generations (before birth registration started.) > > In 1881 William (27) was aboard HMS Terror, along with brother-in-law > William Henry MAY, 18. His wife, Mary Jane (24) was at 15 Malta Place > with sister Grace MAY, 22, and two young children, William Henry > LOVELESS (5) and Mary (or May) Grace LOVELESS (1) > > There are a lot more LOVELESS names in the FreeBMD list in Hampshire, in > the Portsea/Portsmouth area, and I would expect some to be connected. I > have NO known connections to the Tolpuddle LOVELESS line that I know of; > there is no way to do DNA testing as LOVELESS is a lateral twig. My > grandmother was another sister of Mary Jane. > > I also have NO leads to earlier generations except the surmise that > William Henry 1853 was the third of that name. > > Any help greatly appreciated. > > Martin Willcocks > Taylorsville, UT, USA. > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs >
Hi all Thought you might all enjoy this. Eye Subject: Romance ROMANCE An older couple were lying in bed one night. The husband was falling asleep but the wife was in a romantic mood and wanted to talk. She said: "You used to hold my hand when we were courting." Wearily he reached across, held her hand for a second and tried to get back to sleep. A few moments later she said: "Then you used to kiss me. "Mildly irritated, he reached across, gave her a peck on the cheek and settled down to sleep. Thirty seconds later she said: "Then you used to bite my neck." Angrily, he threw back the bed clothes and got out of bed. "Where are you going?" she asked. "To get my teeth!"
Irene Fantastic, thank you very much. I have told cousin Bertha May (Bertha Ann's daughter) she is 85 now, very excited and it has certainly jogged her memory. One question though - any link to the Martyrs at all? She has a long standing bet with her elder sister Minnie!!! thanks Derek On 31 Aug 2004, at 00:30, Eye wrote: > > > Hi again > Joshua Loveless father of William Snr and grandfather of William Jnr > therefore g grandfather to you Bertha Ann, so what great is that to you > Derek? > Joshua Loveless born 1791 Leigh Dorset. Son of Joshua Loveless and > Catherine Taylor. > Joshua Loveless married Ann Bush 6 Jan 1816 at Icllington Dorset. > Joshua Died in 1852. > Ann Bush was born (I have two dates for her birth) 1792 & 1796 at > Hermitage. > Children of Joshua and Ann are > 1/ Johnathon bapt 27 Nov 1814. Leigh. ( this bapt date may be incorrect > because of the marriage date of parents) > Maybe married Jane Trott 12 Aug 1859, on this marriage lists Joshua as > father of groom. > > 2/ George bapt 14 Jul 1816 Leigh. > Married Caroline ? > > 3/ John Bapt 22 Feb 1818 Leigh. > Married Emily Foot 17 Dec 1844. > > 4/ Mary Ann bapt 9 Jan 1820 Leigh. > Died 1830 age 10. Buried 10 Oct 1830. Leigh. > > 5/ Enos bapt 2 Jul 1824. Leigh. > Married Nov 1849 Sarah A ? > > 6/ William bapt 1 Jan 1828. Leigh. > Married Judith JEANES (didn't have that in early email) Nov 1856. > > 7/ Jane bapt 21 Jul 1830 Leigh > Died 1833 Age 3. Buried 15 Sep 1833. > > 8/ Anna bapt 30 Sep 1832 Leigh. > Died 1833 age 1. Buried 15 Sep 1833. Might have been a sad accident > here. > > 9/ Catherine born 1835. Leigh. > Married George Budden 7 Apr 1866 Leigh. > Catherine had two children one born before her marriage. John 12 Nov > 1864 and Alicia b 7 Dec 1866. > > I also have a Mary Ann Loveless listed with this family in the 1851 > census, she is possible a granddaughter. > Mary Ann born 1845, age 5 in census. > Must continue tomorrow now because have to get to work. > But here is a little run down > 1/Bertha Ann Loveless daughter of William Loveless and Ann > 2/William Loveless son of William Loveless and Judith Jeanes. > 3/William Loveless son of Joshua Loveless and Ann Bush. > 4/Joshua Loveless son of Joshua Loveless and Catherine Taylor > 5/Joshua Loveless (born 1746)son of Jonathon Loveless and Ann Bird > 6/Jonathon Loveless (born 1719) son of Joshua Loveless and Mary ? > 7/Joshua Loveless (born 1683) son of Robert > All in Leigh. > 8/Robert born 1634 possibly son of John Loveless and Joane? Hermitage > 9/John Loveless born 1610. > THE END hopefully not:-) > Have typed this up very fast because fast running out of time, please > tell me if I typed a dumb date that does not fit. > Derek I never say that this research is correct but hopefully you can > use it to add on and verify. > So my good pals until tomorrow when we will look at another branch of > the Leigh Tree. > Toodles > Irene > > > > > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs >
Hi Martin Interesting that you should post again. I printed out your posting from the Lovelace list because it was ringing bells with me. I have a little on Postsea Loveless's but could not find anything on yours, will look again. Did have a laugh when I read that Postsea was in Victoria Australia which it is but I doubt your Loveless's come from there or I sure would know them seeing as I live just a couple of hours from Portsea OZ. I will look at Portsea England for you, must say that it rings huge bells with me, perhaps I have looked and tried before and that is all it is but will keep looking and send you the little I have to the list tomorrow on Portsea Loveless in England. Bye for now Irene -----Original Message----- From: Martin Willcocks [mailto:martinwill2@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 8:31 AM To: TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TOL] LOVELESS in Hampshre Hi all: Seems to be some new activity on the list these days so I thought I'd post my Hampshire LOVEMESS names again, in hope that someone may connect to them. William Henry LOVELESS, b. 1853, married Mary Jane MAY, b. 1857, Portsea, in DecQtr 1875, Portsea, and they had the following children: William Henry LOVELESS b. SepQtr 1876 May Grace LOVELESS b. 1880 d. DecQtr 1879, age 7. William Henry m. DecQtr 1901 at Portsmouth to either Ada May COUSINS ot Maude WEBB. I favour COUSINS as there was a connection to WILLCOCKS in the form of Thomas Cousins WILLCOCKS, and these families were in close proximity to each other, Their child, probably, was William Henry V LOVELESS b. DecQtr 1908, Portsmouth. (This would make William Henry (1853) the third to bear that name. In which case I'm still looking for William Henry LOVELESS in two earlier generations (before birth registration started.) In 1881 William (27) was aboard HMS Terror, along with brother-in-law William Henry MAY, 18. His wife, Mary Jane (24) was at 15 Malta Place with sister Grace MAY, 22, and two young children, William Henry LOVELESS (5) and Mary (or May) Grace LOVELESS (1) There are a lot more LOVELESS names in the FreeBMD list in Hampshire, in the Portsea/Portsmouth area, and I would expect some to be connected. I have NO known connections to the Tolpuddle LOVELESS line that I know of; there is no way to do DNA testing as LOVELESS is a lateral twig. My grandmother was another sister of Mary Jane. I also have NO leads to earlier generations except the surmise that William Henry 1853 was the third of that name. Any help greatly appreciated. Martin Willcocks Taylorsville, UT, USA. ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs
Hi again Joshua Loveless father of William Snr and grandfather of William Jnr therefore g grandfather to you Bertha Ann, so what great is that to you Derek? Joshua Loveless born 1791 Leigh Dorset. Son of Joshua Loveless and Catherine Taylor. Joshua Loveless married Ann Bush 6 Jan 1816 at Icllington Dorset. Joshua Died in 1852. Ann Bush was born (I have two dates for her birth) 1792 & 1796 at Hermitage. Children of Joshua and Ann are 1/ Johnathon bapt 27 Nov 1814. Leigh. ( this bapt date may be incorrect because of the marriage date of parents) Maybe married Jane Trott 12 Aug 1859, on this marriage lists Joshua as father of groom. 2/ George bapt 14 Jul 1816 Leigh. Married Caroline ? 3/ John Bapt 22 Feb 1818 Leigh. Married Emily Foot 17 Dec 1844. 4/ Mary Ann bapt 9 Jan 1820 Leigh. Died 1830 age 10. Buried 10 Oct 1830. Leigh. 5/ Enos bapt 2 Jul 1824. Leigh. Married Nov 1849 Sarah A ? 6/ William bapt 1 Jan 1828. Leigh. Married Judith JEANES (didn't have that in early email) Nov 1856. 7/ Jane bapt 21 Jul 1830 Leigh Died 1833 Age 3. Buried 15 Sep 1833. 8/ Anna bapt 30 Sep 1832 Leigh. Died 1833 age 1. Buried 15 Sep 1833. Might have been a sad accident here. 9/ Catherine born 1835. Leigh. Married George Budden 7 Apr 1866 Leigh. Catherine had two children one born before her marriage. John 12 Nov 1864 and Alicia b 7 Dec 1866. I also have a Mary Ann Loveless listed with this family in the 1851 census, she is possible a granddaughter. Mary Ann born 1845, age 5 in census. Must continue tomorrow now because have to get to work. But here is a little run down 1/Bertha Ann Loveless daughter of William Loveless and Ann 2/William Loveless son of William Loveless and Judith Jeanes. 3/William Loveless son of Joshua Loveless and Ann Bush. 4/Joshua Loveless son of Joshua Loveless and Catherine Taylor 5/Joshua Loveless (born 1746)son of Jonathon Loveless and Ann Bird 6/Jonathon Loveless (born 1719) son of Joshua Loveless and Mary ? 7/Joshua Loveless (born 1683) son of Robert All in Leigh. 8/Robert born 1634 possibly son of John Loveless and Joane? Hermitage 9/John Loveless born 1610. THE END hopefully not:-) Have typed this up very fast because fast running out of time, please tell me if I typed a dumb date that does not fit. Derek I never say that this research is correct but hopefully you can use it to add on and verify. So my good pals until tomorrow when we will look at another branch of the Leigh Tree. Toodles Irene
Woo now we are cookin!!! Great Howard and Derek I can add to this :-)) Before I start is Joyce Hardy on our list, if so Joyce this is your tree too. If she is not on the list Derek I will forward you her email address, she descends from Arthur. William Jnr in this census who seems to be Bertha's dad is the son of William and Judith. This connects into the tree I have so here goes. William snr born abt 1829 Leigh Dorset, parents Joshua Loveless and Ann Bush (more on them later) From the 1881 census William 52 labourer, born Leigh. Leigh. Judith 54 born Leigh. Leigh. William 21 labourer. Born Leigh. Leigh. Samuel J 20 Labourer. Born Leigh. Leigh. Jane (daughter of William and Judith not in this household at time of census) Arthur (son of William and Judith not in this household at time of census) Elizabeth 13. born Leigh. Leigh Sarah 9 born Leigh. Leigh. 1851 census William 22 born Leigh. Leigh. Judith 24 born Leigh. Leigh. William not being born until 1859 could possibly mean there would be more children to William and Judith. Eno and Loveless in this 1891 census is the brother of William Snr and possibly also David, I have a son David listed but he should be 38. Enough for this email To be continued Irene -----Original Message----- From: Howard Martin [mailto:hgmartin@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 7:23 AM To: TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TOL] Bertha Ann Loveless 1891 Census More details for those interested: 1891 Census for Yetminster Loveless Names Ann 28 wife no occ b.Leigh Folio 31A Beatrice M 3 dau b.Leigh Folio 32B Bertha A 5 dau Scholar b.Leigh Folio 31A David 34 head Gen Lab b.Leigh Folio 34A Elizabeth Jane 1 dau b.Leigh Folio 32B Elizabeth Jane 8 dau b.Redford Folio 93A Emily Jane 36 wife Charwoman b.Batcombe Folio 93A Enos 67 head gen lab b.Leigh Folio 32B Fannie Annie 6 dau b. Batcombe Folio 93A Frank 18 son Asst Gardener b.Leigh Folio 32B Frederick David 4 son b.Cattistock Folio 93A Frederick Henry 2 son b.Leigh Folio 31A Georgina 14 serv Domestic Servant b.Batcombe Folio 92B Jane 28 dau Cook Dom b.Leigh Folio 32B Joseph Jno 4 son Scholar b.Holnest Folio 32B Judith 64 wife Parish Relief b.Leigh Folio 32A Kate Harriet 23 wife b.Glanville Wotton Folio 32b Mabel Sarah 2 dau b.Alweston Folio 93A Margaret 10m dau b.Leigh Folio 31A Martha 33 wife b.Leigh Folio 34A Mary Ellen 12 dau b.Batcombe Folio 93A Samuel John 30 head Gen Lab b.Leigh Folio 32B Sarah 19 dau Glover b.Leigh Folio 32B Sarah 61 wife b.Sydling St Nicholas Folio 32B Sarah Ann 18 serv Domestic Servant b.Batcombe Folio 94B William 62 head Parish Relief b.Leigh Folio 32A William George 36 head Farm Labourer b.Leigh Folio 93A William Thomas 10 son b.Batcombe Folio 93A William (Jnr) 31 head Ag Lab b.Leigh Folio 31A I do not have the actual census so it is not possible to see the exact relationships although the folio numbers are a good guide bearing in mind one family may be on two pages. So from the above it seems Bertha Ann is the daughter of William Junior and his wife Anne with other children being Frederick Henry and Margaret with William Jnr possibly being the son of William and Judith. Hope this is useful. Howard ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs
Hi Barb, Derek and Gang Well you made my day Barb, I often wonder how you are, great to hear from you. Derek give a holla as soon as you know who Bertha's parents are, does it tell you on her marriage certificate? Barb I still have my German Shepherd Jack, he is getting on now, 10 last birthday, we have a new pup too, not a GS but gorgeous and destructive. Good luck in your hunt Derek, if you are off to Dorchester we could send you with a shopping list :-)) Now I know that Barb is doing well I would love to know how Jo Mist is as well, are you still in here Jo? Hehehe might have to call the roll:-)))) Toodles Irene -----Original Message----- From: barb lewis [mailto:barblewis@bigpond.com] Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 8:30 PM To: TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TOL] Tolpuddle Martyrs Hi Everyone, Irene - I am like you - not around much, - but am tuned in everyday. Have been battling toxic kidneys, which have responded and all now appears well. Have a new GSD (Dev got put down last April) this one is from the Police Squad (failed the test) but have called him "Sarge". He had to outrank our policeman. I still keep up with the Lists. Hope all are well and good hunting to all regards Barb Lewis - Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eye" <eye22@bigpond.com> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 8:48 AM Subject: RE: [TOL] Tolpuddle Martyrs > Hiya All > Sorry I haven't been around much, am now in the fulltime working world, > just thought I'd say g'day and I want to reply to Derek. > Derek I have a large tree of Leigh Loveless's but cannot find your > Bertha Ann Loveless, if you have any info on her such as siblings or > parents I will have another look for you. > I can tell you that the Leigh Loveless family I have seems to go back to > Yetminster with Fortune Loveless and Mary Golding marrying in 1706, I > have branches of this family up to the late 1800's. > I hope you connect in here because it's a huge tree and like the rest of > us hope that you also find a connection to the TM's. > Anyway to all my pals on the Tolpuddle list I hope you are all keeping > well and staying happy as we are here in OZ. > Oh and before I go has anyone heard from Barbara Lewis, would love to > know how you are going Barb. > Toodles > Irene > > -----Original Message----- > From: Donna King [mailto:emily04@rogers.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 8:37 AM > To: TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [TOL] Tolpuddle Martyrs > > Derek - Sorry I don't have a record of a Bertha Ann Loveless in my tree. > > Also I couldn't find a record of Bertha Ann Loveless in the 1891 Census > for > Dorset - Volume 13 Bere Regis & District. She could of been born in > another > district of Dorset! Have you tried searching on the 1891 census online? > > Do you know the name of her parents? Sometimes I have the parents but > not > the children. > > Cheers, > > Donnna > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Derek Baker" <derekbaker@mac.com> > To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 7:55 AM > Subject: Re: [TOL] Tolpuddle Martyrs > > > > All > > > > Does anyone have a tree for the Loveless martyrs i.e. a couple of > > generations either side, so I can once and for all find out whether we > > are actually related or it's another family myth. > > > > Anyone got Bertha Ann Loveless (b 1886 in Leigh, Dorset) in their > tree? > > > > many thanks > > > > Derek > > > > > > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs
More details for those interested: 1891 Census for Yetminster Loveless Names Ann 28 wife no occ b.Leigh Folio 31A Beatrice M 3 dau b.Leigh Folio 32B Bertha A 5 dau Scholar b.Leigh Folio 31A David 34 head Gen Lab b.Leigh Folio 34A Elizabeth Jane 1 dau b.Leigh Folio 32B Elizabeth Jane 8 dau b.Redford Folio 93A Emily Jane 36 wife Charwoman b.Batcombe Folio 93A Enos 67 head gen lab b.Leigh Folio 32B Fannie Annie 6 dau b. Batcombe Folio 93A Frank 18 son Asst Gardener b.Leigh Folio 32B Frederick David 4 son b.Cattistock Folio 93A Frederick Henry 2 son b.Leigh Folio 31A Georgina 14 serv Domestic Servant b.Batcombe Folio 92B Jane 28 dau Cook Dom b.Leigh Folio 32B Joseph Jno 4 son Scholar b.Holnest Folio 32B Judith 64 wife Parish Relief b.Leigh Folio 32A Kate Harriet 23 wife b.Glanville Wotton Folio 32b Mabel Sarah 2 dau b.Alweston Folio 93A Margaret 10m dau b.Leigh Folio 31A Martha 33 wife b.Leigh Folio 34A Mary Ellen 12 dau b.Batcombe Folio 93A Samuel John 30 head Gen Lab b.Leigh Folio 32B Sarah 19 dau Glover b.Leigh Folio 32B Sarah 61 wife b.Sydling St Nicholas Folio 32B Sarah Ann 18 serv Domestic Servant b.Batcombe Folio 94B William 62 head Parish Relief b.Leigh Folio 32A William George 36 head Farm Labourer b.Leigh Folio 93A William Thomas 10 son b.Batcombe Folio 93A William (Jnr) 31 head Ag Lab b.Leigh Folio 31A I do not have the actual census so it is not possible to see the exact relationships although the folio numbers are a good guide bearing in mind one family may be on two pages. So from the above it seems Bertha Ann is the daughter of William Junior and his wife Anne with other children being Frederick Henry and Margaret with William Jnr possibly being the son of William and Judith. Hope this is useful. Howard
Hi Everyone, Irene - I am like you - not around much, - but am tuned in everyday. Have been battling toxic kidneys, which have responded and all now appears well. Have a new GSD (Dev got put down last April) this one is from the Police Squad (failed the test) but have called him "Sarge". He had to outrank our policeman. I still keep up with the Lists. Hope all are well and good hunting to all regards Barb Lewis - Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eye" <eye22@bigpond.com> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 8:48 AM Subject: RE: [TOL] Tolpuddle Martyrs > Hiya All > Sorry I haven't been around much, am now in the fulltime working world, > just thought I'd say g'day and I want to reply to Derek. > Derek I have a large tree of Leigh Loveless's but cannot find your > Bertha Ann Loveless, if you have any info on her such as siblings or > parents I will have another look for you. > I can tell you that the Leigh Loveless family I have seems to go back to > Yetminster with Fortune Loveless and Mary Golding marrying in 1706, I > have branches of this family up to the late 1800's. > I hope you connect in here because it's a huge tree and like the rest of > us hope that you also find a connection to the TM's. > Anyway to all my pals on the Tolpuddle list I hope you are all keeping > well and staying happy as we are here in OZ. > Oh and before I go has anyone heard from Barbara Lewis, would love to > know how you are going Barb. > Toodles > Irene > > -----Original Message----- > From: Donna King [mailto:emily04@rogers.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 8:37 AM > To: TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [TOL] Tolpuddle Martyrs > > Derek - Sorry I don't have a record of a Bertha Ann Loveless in my tree. > > Also I couldn't find a record of Bertha Ann Loveless in the 1891 Census > for > Dorset - Volume 13 Bere Regis & District. She could of been born in > another > district of Dorset! Have you tried searching on the 1891 census online? > > Do you know the name of her parents? Sometimes I have the parents but > not > the children. > > Cheers, > > Donnna > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Derek Baker" <derekbaker@mac.com> > To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 7:55 AM > Subject: Re: [TOL] Tolpuddle Martyrs > > > > All > > > > Does anyone have a tree for the Loveless martyrs i.e. a couple of > > generations either side, so I can once and for all find out whether we > > are actually related or it's another family myth. > > > > Anyone got Bertha Ann Loveless (b 1886 in Leigh, Dorset) in their > tree? > > > > many thanks > > > > Derek > > > > > > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs >
Bertha Ann Loveless' birth was registered at Sherborne March quarter 1885. Howard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna King" <emily04@rogers.com> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 11:37 PM Subject: Re: [TOL] Tolpuddle Martyrs > Derek - Sorry I don't have a record of a Bertha Ann Loveless in my tree. > > Also I couldn't find a record of Bertha Ann Loveless in the 1891 Census for > Dorset - Volume 13 Bere Regis & District. She could of been born in another > district of Dorset! Have you tried searching on the 1891 census online? > > Do you know the name of her parents? Sometimes I have the parents but not > the children. > > Cheers, > > Donnna > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Derek Baker" <derekbaker@mac.com> > To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 7:55 AM > Subject: Re: [TOL] Tolpuddle Martyrs > > > > All > > > > Does anyone have a tree for the Loveless martyrs i.e. a couple of > > generations either side, so I can once and for all find out whether we > > are actually related or it's another family myth. > > > > Anyone got Bertha Ann Loveless (b 1886 in Leigh, Dorset) in their tree? > > > > many thanks > > > > Derek > > > > > > > > On 21 Aug 2004, at 17:40, Donna King wrote: > > > > > Carol - . I believe that it originated with the Lovelace mailing list > > > in > > > the States. I know that it was not relevant for me as my Loveless > > > connection is on my mother's side whose grandmother was Kate Loveless. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Donna > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Carol Park" <brecas@dnet.net.au> > > > To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 6:54 AM > > > Subject: Re: [TOL] Tolpuddle Martyrs > > > > > > > > >> Hi, > > >> does anyone know of any developments on the Tolpuddle Martyr DNA > > > project?? > > >> I ask because my step son-in-law is working in Canada on ancient DNA > > >> research, he was involved with the Titanic DNA tracings of the > > >> un-named > > >> remains in Ontario. He was very interested in the story of the > > >> Martyrs > > > and > > >> expressed interest in testing of the remains of George and James if > > >> it was > > >> an up and running project? I had heard some talk about this last year > > >> - > > > but > > >> unsure as to whether it was a 'wish' or a serious proposal? > > >> If anyone knows of anything please let me know. Thanks, Carol > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: Lesley WICKHAM <lesley@maultway.fsnet.co.uk> > > >> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> > > >> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 7:01 AM > > >> Subject: Re: [TOL] Tolpuddle Martyrs > > >> > > >> > > >>> As a descendant of the martyrs brother William I am still interested > > >>> in > > >> any > > >>> info on any other siblings descendants that have not come to light > > >>> yet. > > >>> (exclude George, James, Dinah please) > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Lesley( Surrey England) > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>> From: "paul stewart" <hudrud03@btinternet.com> > > >>> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> > > >>> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 9:15 PM > > >>> Subject: [TOL] Tolpuddle Martyrs > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> Greetings all, > > >>>> > > >>>> I have recently acquired an interesting little booklet on the > > >>>> Martyrs > > >>> entitled 'Six Heroes in Chains' by H. Brooks. Mine is a 2nd ed. > > > published > > >>> 1932. I recommend it. Found it on an out of print books website. > > >>>> > > >>>> It mentions that in 1921 a Mr. Arthur Hawkes of Toronto, Canada > > >>>> wrote > > > up > > >>> the Canadian part of the story for the 'Farmer's Sun'. Mr. Brooks > > > managed > > >> to > > >>> acquire a copy of this from The Clipping Bureau of the Dept. of > > >>> Labour, > > >>> Ottawa. Anyone out there have a copy by any chance? I would love to > > > have > > >> a > > >>> read. > > >>>> > > >>>> This booklet I have has a photo of James & Elizabeth (Standfield) > > > Brine. > > >>> If anyone would like a copy, please let me know. > > >>>> > > >>>> Cheerio m'dears, > > >>>> Dawn Stewart > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > > >>>> LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > > >>>> UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > > >>>> http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > > >>> LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > > >>> UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > > >>> http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > > >> LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > > >> UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > > >> http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > > > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > > > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > > > > > > > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > > > > > > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs >
Irene - glad to hear from you and also glad to hear that everything is okay and that you're just busy with life. Working for a living can sure throw a wrench into your time for family research. I keep trying to get at my course but they keep changing the schedule on me. You know when your young and don't want to go to school - school is never closed. Now that I'm a lot older - and want to go to school - they keep making me wait. Well, must go. Love to all. Donna P.S. - Joy where are you? Let us know if everything is okay. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eye" <eye22@bigpond.com> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 6:48 PM Subject: RE: [TOL] Tolpuddle Martyrs > Hiya All > Sorry I haven't been around much, am now in the fulltime working world, > just thought I'd say g'day and I want to reply to Derek. > Derek I have a large tree of Leigh Loveless's but cannot find your > Bertha Ann Loveless, if you have any info on her such as siblings or > parents I will have another look for you. > I can tell you that the Leigh Loveless family I have seems to go back to > Yetminster with Fortune Loveless and Mary Golding marrying in 1706, I > have branches of this family up to the late 1800's. > I hope you connect in here because it's a huge tree and like the rest of > us hope that you also find a connection to the TM's. > Anyway to all my pals on the Tolpuddle list I hope you are all keeping > well and staying happy as we are here in OZ. > Oh and before I go has anyone heard from Barbara Lewis, would love to > know how you are going Barb. > Toodles > Irene > > -----Original Message----- > From: Donna King [mailto:emily04@rogers.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 8:37 AM > To: TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [TOL] Tolpuddle Martyrs > > Derek - Sorry I don't have a record of a Bertha Ann Loveless in my tree. > > Also I couldn't find a record of Bertha Ann Loveless in the 1891 Census > for > Dorset - Volume 13 Bere Regis & District. She could of been born in > another > district of Dorset! Have you tried searching on the 1891 census online? > > Do you know the name of her parents? Sometimes I have the parents but > not > the children. > > Cheers, > > Donnna > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Derek Baker" <derekbaker@mac.com> > To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 7:55 AM > Subject: Re: [TOL] Tolpuddle Martyrs > > > > All > > > > Does anyone have a tree for the Loveless martyrs i.e. a couple of > > generations either side, so I can once and for all find out whether we > > are actually related or it's another family myth. > > > > Anyone got Bertha Ann Loveless (b 1886 in Leigh, Dorset) in their > tree? > > > > many thanks > > > > Derek > > > > > > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > >
Howard - thank you for this wealth of information. I'm sure that those of our people who have Lovelesses from that area will appreciate this. Cheers, Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Martin" <hgmartin@tiscali.co.uk> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 5:22 PM Subject: [TOL] Bertha Ann Loveless 1891 Census > More details for those interested: > > 1891 Census for Yetminster > > Loveless Names > > Ann 28 wife no occ b.Leigh Folio 31A > Beatrice M 3 dau b.Leigh Folio 32B > Bertha A 5 dau Scholar b.Leigh Folio 31A > David 34 head Gen Lab b.Leigh Folio 34A > Elizabeth Jane 1 dau b.Leigh Folio 32B > Elizabeth Jane 8 dau b.Redford Folio 93A > Emily Jane 36 wife Charwoman b.Batcombe Folio 93A > Enos 67 head gen lab b.Leigh Folio 32B > Fannie Annie 6 dau b. Batcombe Folio 93A > Frank 18 son Asst Gardener b.Leigh Folio 32B > Frederick David 4 son b.Cattistock Folio 93A > Frederick Henry 2 son b.Leigh Folio 31A > Georgina 14 serv Domestic Servant b.Batcombe Folio 92B > Jane 28 dau Cook Dom b.Leigh Folio 32B > Joseph Jno 4 son Scholar b.Holnest Folio 32B > Judith 64 wife Parish Relief b.Leigh Folio 32A > Kate Harriet 23 wife b.Glanville Wotton Folio 32b > Mabel Sarah 2 dau b.Alweston Folio 93A > Margaret 10m dau b.Leigh Folio 31A > Martha 33 wife b.Leigh Folio 34A > Mary Ellen 12 dau b.Batcombe Folio 93A > Samuel John 30 head Gen Lab b.Leigh Folio 32B > Sarah 19 dau Glover b.Leigh Folio 32B > Sarah 61 wife b.Sydling St Nicholas Folio 32B > Sarah Ann 18 serv Domestic Servant b.Batcombe Folio 94B > William 62 head Parish Relief b.Leigh Folio 32A > William George 36 head Farm Labourer b.Leigh Folio 93A > William Thomas 10 son b.Batcombe Folio 93A > William (Jnr) 31 head Ag Lab b.Leigh Folio 31A > > I do not have the actual census so it is not possible to see the exact relationships although the folio numbers are a good guide bearing in mind one family may be on two pages. > > So from the above it seems Bertha Ann is the daughter of William Junior and his wife Anne with other children being Frederick Henry and Margaret with William Jnr possibly being the son of William and Judith. > > Hope this is useful. > > Howard > > > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs >
Hi all: Seems to be some new activity on the list these days so I thought I'd post my Hampshire LOVEMESS names again, in hope that someone may connect to them. William Henry LOVELESS, b. 1853, married Mary Jane MAY, b. 1857, Portsea, in DecQtr 1875, Portsea, and they had the following children: William Henry LOVELESS b. SepQtr 1876 May Grace LOVELESS b. 1880 d. DecQtr 1879, age 7. William Henry m. DecQtr 1901 at Portsmouth to either Ada May COUSINS ot Maude WEBB. I favour COUSINS as there was a connection to WILLCOCKS in the form of Thomas Cousins WILLCOCKS, and these families were in close proximity to each other, Their child, probably, was William Henry V LOVELESS b. DecQtr 1908, Portsmouth. (This would make William Henry (1853) the third to bear that name. In which case I'm still looking for William Henry LOVELESS in two earlier generations (before birth registration started.) In 1881 William (27) was aboard HMS Terror, along with brother-in-law William Henry MAY, 18. His wife, Mary Jane (24) was at 15 Malta Place with sister Grace MAY, 22, and two young children, William Henry LOVELESS (5) and Mary (or May) Grace LOVELESS (1) There are a lot more LOVELESS names in the FreeBMD list in Hampshire, in the Portsea/Portsmouth area, and I would expect some to be connected. I have NO known connections to the Tolpuddle LOVELESS line that I know of; there is no way to do DNA testing as LOVELESS is a lateral twig. My grandmother was another sister of Mary Jane. I also have NO leads to earlier generations except the surmise that William Henry 1853 was the third of that name. Any help greatly appreciated. Martin Willcocks Taylorsville, UT, USA.
Barb - great to hear from you. Glad to hear that your condition is improving? I'm officially retired now and going to school in the mornings. My schooling is paid for by disability so I'm taking advantage of it. Life here has its ups and downs but I'm concentrating on the positive things like that I'm soon to be a grandma sometime in February 05. I don't have any dogs but have 3 cats all with different personalities etc. I do like dogs, however, I don't have my own home and cats are just easier to keep at this point. Well, must run as I have lots of work to do. Although my daughter did do some housework this morning before she went to work. Cheers, Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "barb lewis" <barblewis@bigpond.com> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 6:29 AM Subject: Re: [TOL] Tolpuddle Martyrs > Hi Everyone, > > Irene - I am like you - not around much, - but am tuned in everyday. > Have been battling toxic kidneys, which have responded > and all now appears well. Have a new GSD (Dev got put down last April) > this one is from the Police Squad (failed the test) but have called him > "Sarge". He had to outrank our policeman. > > I still keep up with the Lists. > > Hope all are well and good hunting to all > > regards Barb Lewis - Australia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eye" <eye22@bigpond.com> > To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 8:48 AM > Subject: RE: [TOL] Tolpuddle Martyrs > > > > Hiya All > > Sorry I haven't been around much, am now in the fulltime working world, > > just thought I'd say g'day and I want to reply to Derek. > > Derek I have a large tree of Leigh Loveless's but cannot find your > > Bertha Ann Loveless, if you have any info on her such as siblings or > > parents I will have another look for you. > > I can tell you that the Leigh Loveless family I have seems to go back to > > Yetminster with Fortune Loveless and Mary Golding marrying in 1706, I > > have branches of this family up to the late 1800's. > > I hope you connect in here because it's a huge tree and like the rest of > > us hope that you also find a connection to the TM's. > > Anyway to all my pals on the Tolpuddle list I hope you are all keeping > > well and staying happy as we are here in OZ. > > Oh and before I go has anyone heard from Barbara Lewis, would love to > > know how you are going Barb. > > Toodles > > Irene > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Donna King [mailto:emily04@rogers.com] > > Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 8:37 AM > > To: TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [TOL] Tolpuddle Martyrs > > > > Derek - Sorry I don't have a record of a Bertha Ann Loveless in my tree. > > > > Also I couldn't find a record of Bertha Ann Loveless in the 1891 Census > > for > > Dorset - Volume 13 Bere Regis & District. She could of been born in > > another > > district of Dorset! Have you tried searching on the 1891 census online? > > > > Do you know the name of her parents? Sometimes I have the parents but > > not > > the children. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Donnna > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Derek Baker" <derekbaker@mac.com> > > To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 7:55 AM > > Subject: Re: [TOL] Tolpuddle Martyrs > > > > > > > All > > > > > > Does anyone have a tree for the Loveless martyrs i.e. a couple of > > > generations either side, so I can once and for all find out whether we > > > are actually related or it's another family myth. > > > > > > Anyone got Bertha Ann Loveless (b 1886 in Leigh, Dorset) in their > > tree? > > > > > > many thanks > > > > > > Derek > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > > > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > >
Hello again Derek I wondered if you had this from the 1901 census Name Age Where Born Administrative County Civil Parish Occupation Bertha Loveless 15 Dorset Leigh Dorset Melbury Bubb General Domestic Regards Irene -----Original Message----- From: Donna King [mailto:emily04@rogers.com] Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 8:37 AM To: TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TOL] Tolpuddle Martyrs Derek - Sorry I don't have a record of a Bertha Ann Loveless in my tree. Also I couldn't find a record of Bertha Ann Loveless in the 1891 Census for Dorset - Volume 13 Bere Regis & District. She could of been born in another district of Dorset! Have you tried searching on the 1891 census online? Do you know the name of her parents? Sometimes I have the parents but not the children. Cheers, Donnna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Baker" <derekbaker@mac.com> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [TOL] Tolpuddle Martyrs > All > > Does anyone have a tree for the Loveless martyrs i.e. a couple of > generations either side, so I can once and for all find out whether we > are actually related or it's another family myth. > > Anyone got Bertha Ann Loveless (b 1886 in Leigh, Dorset) in their tree? > > many thanks > > Derek > > > > On 21 Aug 2004, at 17:40, Donna King wrote: > > > Carol - . I believe that it originated with the Lovelace mailing list > > in > > the States. I know that it was not relevant for me as my Loveless > > connection is on my mother's side whose grandmother was Kate Loveless. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Donna > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Carol Park" <brecas@dnet.net.au> > > To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 6:54 AM > > Subject: Re: [TOL] Tolpuddle Martyrs > > > > > >> Hi, > >> does anyone know of any developments on the Tolpuddle Martyr DNA > > project?? > >> I ask because my step son-in-law is working in Canada on ancient DNA > >> research, he was involved with the Titanic DNA tracings of the > >> un-named > >> remains in Ontario. He was very interested in the story of the > >> Martyrs > > and > >> expressed interest in testing of the remains of George and James if > >> it was > >> an up and running project? I had heard some talk about this last year > >> - > > but > >> unsure as to whether it was a 'wish' or a serious proposal? > >> If anyone knows of anything please let me know. Thanks, Carol > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Lesley WICKHAM <lesley@maultway.fsnet.co.uk> > >> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 7:01 AM > >> Subject: Re: [TOL] Tolpuddle Martyrs > >> > >> > >>> As a descendant of the martyrs brother William I am still interested > >>> in > >> any > >>> info on any other siblings descendants that have not come to light > >>> yet. > >>> (exclude George, James, Dinah please) > >>> > >>> > >>> Lesley( Surrey England) > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "paul stewart" <hudrud03@btinternet.com> > >>> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> > >>> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 9:15 PM > >>> Subject: [TOL] Tolpuddle Martyrs > >>> > >>> > >>>> Greetings all, > >>>> > >>>> I have recently acquired an interesting little booklet on the > >>>> Martyrs > >>> entitled 'Six Heroes in Chains' by H. Brooks. Mine is a 2nd ed. > > published > >>> 1932. I recommend it. Found it on an out of print books website. > >>>> > >>>> It mentions that in 1921 a Mr. Arthur Hawkes of Toronto, Canada > >>>> wrote > > up > >>> the Canadian part of the story for the 'Farmer's Sun'. Mr. Brooks > > managed > >> to > >>> acquire a copy of this from The Clipping Bureau of the Dept. of > >>> Labour, > >>> Ottawa. Anyone out there have a copy by any chance? I would love to > > have > >> a > >>> read. > >>>> > >>>> This booklet I have has a photo of James & Elizabeth (Standfield) > > Brine. > >>> If anyone would like a copy, please let me know. > >>>> > >>>> Cheerio m'dears, > >>>> Dawn Stewart > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > >>>> LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > >>>> UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > >>>> http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > >>> LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > >>> UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > >>> http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > >> LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > >> UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > >> http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > > > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs
Irene Thanks for this. It sort of confirms my view that Bertha was born in Leigh, I need to get to Dorchester to look at the records asap to confirm. I'm working backwards as follows: Bertha May Baker, daughter of Edwin Charles Baker (b 1888 Bishops Caundle) and Bertha Ann Loveless (b 1886 Leigh?) married 1914 at Bishops Caundle I have one relation living in Dorchester who I'm trying to trace so maybe they can shed more light on the Loveless connection. thanks Derek On 30 Aug 2004, at 01:24, Eye wrote: > Hello again Derek > I wondered if you had this from the 1901 census > > Name Age Where Born Administrative County Civil Parish Occupation > > Bertha Loveless 15 Dorset Leigh Dorset Melbury Bubb General Domestic > > Regards > Irene > > -----Original Message----- > From: Donna King [mailto:emily04@rogers.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 8:37 AM > To: TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [TOL] Tolpuddle Martyrs > > Derek - Sorry I don't have a record of a Bertha Ann Loveless in my > tree. > > Also I couldn't find a record of Bertha Ann Loveless in the 1891 Census > for > Dorset - Volume 13 Bere Regis & District. She could of been born in > another > district of Dorset! Have you tried searching on the 1891 census > online? > > Do you know the name of her parents? Sometimes I have the parents but > not > the children. > > Cheers, > > Donnna > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Derek Baker" <derekbaker@mac.com> > To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 7:55 AM > Subject: Re: [TOL] Tolpuddle Martyrs > > >> All >> >> Does anyone have a tree for the Loveless martyrs i.e. a couple of >> generations either side, so I can once and for all find out whether we >> are actually related or it's another family myth. >> >> Anyone got Bertha Ann Loveless (b 1886 in Leigh, Dorset) in their > tree? >> >> many thanks >> >> Derek >> >> >> >> On 21 Aug 2004, at 17:40, Donna King wrote: >> >>> Carol - . I believe that it originated with the Lovelace mailing > list >>> in >>> the States. I know that it was not relevant for me as my Loveless >>> connection is on my mother's side whose grandmother was Kate > Loveless. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Donna >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Carol Park" <brecas@dnet.net.au> >>> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 6:54 AM >>> Subject: Re: [TOL] Tolpuddle Martyrs >>> >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> does anyone know of any developments on the Tolpuddle Martyr DNA >>> project?? >>>> I ask because my step son-in-law is working in Canada on ancient > DNA >>>> research, he was involved with the Titanic DNA tracings of the >>>> un-named >>>> remains in Ontario. He was very interested in the story of the >>>> Martyrs >>> and >>>> expressed interest in testing of the remains of George and James if >>>> it was >>>> an up and running project? I had heard some talk about this last > year >>>> - >>> but >>>> unsure as to whether it was a 'wish' or a serious proposal? >>>> If anyone knows of anything please let me know. Thanks, Carol >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Lesley WICKHAM <lesley@maultway.fsnet.co.uk> >>>> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 7:01 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [TOL] Tolpuddle Martyrs >>>> >>>> >>>>> As a descendant of the martyrs brother William I am still > interested >>>>> in >>>> any >>>>> info on any other siblings descendants that have not come to > light >>>>> yet. >>>>> (exclude George, James, Dinah please) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Lesley( Surrey England) >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "paul stewart" <hudrud03@btinternet.com> >>>>> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 9:15 PM >>>>> Subject: [TOL] Tolpuddle Martyrs >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Greetings all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I have recently acquired an interesting little booklet on the >>>>>> Martyrs >>>>> entitled 'Six Heroes in Chains' by H. Brooks. Mine is a 2nd ed. >>> published >>>>> 1932. I recommend it. Found it on an out of print books website. >>>>>> >>>>>> It mentions that in 1921 a Mr. Arthur Hawkes of Toronto, Canada >>>>>> wrote >>> up >>>>> the Canadian part of the story for the 'Farmer's Sun'. Mr. Brooks >>> managed >>>> to >>>>> acquire a copy of this from The Clipping Bureau of the Dept. of >>>>> Labour, >>>>> Ottawa. Anyone out there have a copy by any chance? I would love > to >>> have >>>> a >>>>> read. >>>>>> >>>>>> This booklet I have has a photo of James & Elizabeth (Standfield) >>> Brine. >>>>> If anyone would like a copy, please let me know. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheerio m'dears, >>>>>> Dawn Stewart >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== >>>>>> LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - >>>>>> UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA >>>>>> http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== >>>>> LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - >>>>> UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA >>>>> http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== >>>> LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - >>>> UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA >>>> http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== >>> LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - >>> UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA >>> http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs >>> >> >> >> ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== >> LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - >> UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA >> http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs >> >> > > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs >
Hiya All Sorry I haven't been around much, am now in the fulltime working world, just thought I'd say g'day and I want to reply to Derek. Derek I have a large tree of Leigh Loveless's but cannot find your Bertha Ann Loveless, if you have any info on her such as siblings or parents I will have another look for you. I can tell you that the Leigh Loveless family I have seems to go back to Yetminster with Fortune Loveless and Mary Golding marrying in 1706, I have branches of this family up to the late 1800's. I hope you connect in here because it's a huge tree and like the rest of us hope that you also find a connection to the TM's. Anyway to all my pals on the Tolpuddle list I hope you are all keeping well and staying happy as we are here in OZ. Oh and before I go has anyone heard from Barbara Lewis, would love to know how you are going Barb. Toodles Irene -----Original Message----- From: Donna King [mailto:emily04@rogers.com] Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 8:37 AM To: TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [TOL] Tolpuddle Martyrs Derek - Sorry I don't have a record of a Bertha Ann Loveless in my tree. Also I couldn't find a record of Bertha Ann Loveless in the 1891 Census for Dorset - Volume 13 Bere Regis & District. She could of been born in another district of Dorset! Have you tried searching on the 1891 census online? Do you know the name of her parents? Sometimes I have the parents but not the children. Cheers, Donnna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Baker" <derekbaker@mac.com> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [TOL] Tolpuddle Martyrs > All > > Does anyone have a tree for the Loveless martyrs i.e. a couple of > generations either side, so I can once and for all find out whether we > are actually related or it's another family myth. > > Anyone got Bertha Ann Loveless (b 1886 in Leigh, Dorset) in their tree? > > many thanks > > Derek > >
James - I'm passing your email on to the Tolpuddle Mailing List. Are you aware of the Tolpuddle Museum. I'm the staff at the Tolpuddle Museum could help you immensely. Have you looked at the Tolpuddle Martyrs home page? http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs/ This site has links to the Martyrs Museum and other interesting sites. Also, a biblography of books are listed. Hope this has been of some use to you, Cheers, Donna King Tolpuddle Mailing List Manager ----- Original Message ----- From: "1812 Hitching Post - Wendy Waldron (by way of Greg Lovelace <gregl@starfishnet.com>)" <info@1812hitchingpost.com> To: "Donna King" <emily04@rogers.com> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 12:37 PM Subject: Fw: Query from Lovelace web site > From: <mailto:James_R_Potter@brown.edu>Potter, James > To: <mailto:lovelxxx@iredell.net>lovelxxx@iredell.net > Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 2:33 PM > Subject: Query from Lovelace web site > > Dear Sir or Madam, > > Greetings. My name is James Potter and I am a student at Brown University > in the USA. I am writing a thesis on the Tolpuddle Martyrs and found your > site to be a true gem for my study. > > The story of the Tolpuddle six has always fascinated me. It is for this > reason that I write to you to thank you first and foremost for maintaining > the Loveless & Lovelace website, and secondly to ask if you might have any > advice on how to go about tracking down resources about the Tolpuddle > Martyrs. Are there any documents, letters, etc. that you might know of that > would bring to light this remarkable story of these six men, their > experience in NSW, and their return trip to England? I would be greatly > indebited to you for any suggestions you might be able to offer at this time. > > Thank you for your help and I look forward to hearing from you. > > Sincerely, > James Potter > > <mailto:James_R_Potter@brown.edu>James_R_Potter@brown.edu > > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > >
Derek - Sorry I don't have a record of a Bertha Ann Loveless in my tree. Also I couldn't find a record of Bertha Ann Loveless in the 1891 Census for Dorset - Volume 13 Bere Regis & District. She could of been born in another district of Dorset! Have you tried searching on the 1891 census online? Do you know the name of her parents? Sometimes I have the parents but not the children. Cheers, Donnna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Baker" <derekbaker@mac.com> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [TOL] Tolpuddle Martyrs > All > > Does anyone have a tree for the Loveless martyrs i.e. a couple of > generations either side, so I can once and for all find out whether we > are actually related or it's another family myth. > > Anyone got Bertha Ann Loveless (b 1886 in Leigh, Dorset) in their tree? > > many thanks > > Derek > > > > On 21 Aug 2004, at 17:40, Donna King wrote: > > > Carol - . I believe that it originated with the Lovelace mailing list > > in > > the States. I know that it was not relevant for me as my Loveless > > connection is on my mother's side whose grandmother was Kate Loveless. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Donna > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Carol Park" <brecas@dnet.net.au> > > To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 6:54 AM > > Subject: Re: [TOL] Tolpuddle Martyrs > > > > > >> Hi, > >> does anyone know of any developments on the Tolpuddle Martyr DNA > > project?? > >> I ask because my step son-in-law is working in Canada on ancient DNA > >> research, he was involved with the Titanic DNA tracings of the > >> un-named > >> remains in Ontario. He was very interested in the story of the > >> Martyrs > > and > >> expressed interest in testing of the remains of George and James if > >> it was > >> an up and running project? I had heard some talk about this last year > >> - > > but > >> unsure as to whether it was a 'wish' or a serious proposal? > >> If anyone knows of anything please let me know. Thanks, Carol > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Lesley WICKHAM <lesley@maultway.fsnet.co.uk> > >> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 7:01 AM > >> Subject: Re: [TOL] Tolpuddle Martyrs > >> > >> > >>> As a descendant of the martyrs brother William I am still interested > >>> in > >> any > >>> info on any other siblings descendants that have not come to light > >>> yet. > >>> (exclude George, James, Dinah please) > >>> > >>> > >>> Lesley( Surrey England) > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "paul stewart" <hudrud03@btinternet.com> > >>> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> > >>> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 9:15 PM > >>> Subject: [TOL] Tolpuddle Martyrs > >>> > >>> > >>>> Greetings all, > >>>> > >>>> I have recently acquired an interesting little booklet on the > >>>> Martyrs > >>> entitled 'Six Heroes in Chains' by H. Brooks. Mine is a 2nd ed. > > published > >>> 1932. I recommend it. Found it on an out of print books website. > >>>> > >>>> It mentions that in 1921 a Mr. Arthur Hawkes of Toronto, Canada > >>>> wrote > > up > >>> the Canadian part of the story for the 'Farmer's Sun'. Mr. Brooks > > managed > >> to > >>> acquire a copy of this from The Clipping Bureau of the Dept. of > >>> Labour, > >>> Ottawa. Anyone out there have a copy by any chance? I would love to > > have > >> a > >>> read. > >>>> > >>>> This booklet I have has a photo of James & Elizabeth (Standfield) > > Brine. > >>> If anyone would like a copy, please let me know. > >>>> > >>>> Cheerio m'dears, > >>>> Dawn Stewart > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > >>>> LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > >>>> UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > >>>> http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > >>> LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > >>> UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > >>> http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > >> LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > >> UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > >> http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > > > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > >