Hello all. Thank you all very much for your kind words this past week. I was able to check my email via my brother-in-law's laptop. My mother is still hanging in there. It hurt to come back home but we all have lives of our own. I may return next week but I'm not sure at this point only just have got home a couple of hours ago. Just wanted to let you know that I appreciate all the emails and your prayers etc Regards, Donna

Please know that our prayers are with you; it's really hard to watch the older generation prepare to leave us! --especially at this time of year when joyful Seasonal family preparations are expected. My 87-year-old mother (grand-daughter of Rhoda (Shave) WAY) is still living on her own but 1000 miles from me in Iowa. How wonderful that you can be with your mother. Jacki - North Dakota USA On Dec 15, 2004, at 5:45 PM, DONNA KING wrote: Hello all. Thank you for our your emails that I have received. They have moved my mom into a pallative care facility but I don't think that she will be leaving this good earth just yet. The next few days will tell, most likely. Unless anything changes I should be home by the end of the week or the beginning of next. Regards, Donna ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs

Hello all. Thank you for our your emails that I have received. They have moved my mom into a pallative care facility but I don't think that she will be leaving this good earth just yet. The next few days will tell, most likely. Unless anything changes I should be home by the end of the week or the beginning of next. Regards, Donna

Hello all. Thank you for our your emails that I have received. They have moved my mom into a pallative care facility but I don't think that she will be leaving this good earth just yet. The next few days will tell, most likely. Unless anything changes I should be home by the end of the week or the beginning of next. Regards, Donna

God Bless you, Donna. We are losing our brother-in-law this Christmas, so we can certainly empathize. Our prayers will be with you - The Wiseman family Donna King wrote: >Hello all. It is with sad tidings that I tell that I'm flying to Kelowna, >BC today as my mom has many of you know has been very ill with stomach >cancer and isn't expected to last the week. > >I will be away for a week or two and will look after any Tolpuddle business >when I'm back. > >I know that your prayers and thoughts will be with me as they have been >with me in the past. > >Sorrowfully, > >Donna King >Tolpuddle List Manager > > > >==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== >LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - >UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA >http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > > > >

Dear Donna, Can't tell you how sad I felt to receive your email, especially when the last news from you was so positive. My own Mother died just a few days before Christmas the year before last so I know how you must be feeling. My thoughts are with you Dawn Donna King <emily04@rogers.com> wrote: Hello all. It is with sad tidings that I tell that I'm flying to Kelowna, BC today as my mom has many of you know has been very ill with stomach cancer and isn't expected to last the week. I will be away for a week or two and will look after any Tolpuddle business when I'm back. I know that your prayers and thoughts will be with me as they have been with me in the past. Sorrowfully, Donna King Tolpuddle List Manager ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs

Hello all. It is with sad tidings that I tell that I'm flying to Kelowna, BC today as my mom has many of you know has been very ill with stomach cancer and isn't expected to last the week. I will be away for a week or two and will look after any Tolpuddle business when I'm back. I know that your prayers and thoughts will be with me as they have been with me in the past. Sorrowfully, Donna King Tolpuddle List Manager

Hi Howard, Unfortunately all my geneology is packed in boxes in readiness for our move and my memory isn't so great on dates and places without the notes. - Thomas Loveless was married to Sarah Fry in 1746. Near to Bridport They had a son, also Thomas who I believe married Elizabeth Mathews, their son was Henry Loveless who moved to Axmouth. Their son, William was born into the same generation as George and James. Now he and his family moved from Dorset to Kent in the 1830s, where all my Lovelesses stayed, or continued up to South London. (interestingly all the records concerning William's 3 children show Loveless spelt as Loveliss, this doesn't appear with any others of my line. Made me wonder whether they deliberately changed the spelling when they moved from Dorset since they spelt their adult names 'less' before so weren't illiterate?) I haven't been able to find any links across to the Martyrs at all and have also come to a stall with Thomas and Sarah and their ancestry. I THINK I've got this order correct, Irene knows my tree as well as her own..hey eye? What are your Thomas links? Cheers, Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: Howard Martin <hgmartin@tiscali.co.uk> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [TOL] re DNA testing > Carol > > I have a couple of Thomas Lovelace on my tree from around the time have > said. Both were born in Mosterton, Dorset, not that far from Bridport and > both seemed to disappeared from the Mosterton area. Any chance one of them > they may be yours? Have you any more detail so I can see if there is any > connection. > > Apologies if we have been through this before. > > Regards > > Howard > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carol Park" <brecas@dnet.net.au> > To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 11:09 AM > Subject: [TOL] re DNA testing > > > > Hi Donna, > > We are in the middle of moving house, Brian is in Brisbane 250kms away and > > I'm here, he's got my computer - and my address book - which is a > roundabout > > way of saying I am trying to contact Greg regarding the DNA testing of > > Loveless line and only have TOLPUDDLE address in my head. Could you send > > this on to Greg, if that is the correct place for such queries! > > I hope all is well with you and yours as we come up to the festive season. > > Must say with moving, house and jobs and schools haven't had much time to > > notice....I was like a child in wonder when I finally got to the shopping > > mall yesterday and noticed all the Christmas decorations! Bit like a > hermit > > lately. Anyway, I hope you are a little more organised than I - pre > > grand-baby as well! Thanks Donna. > > > > > > Dear Greg, > > I am interested in the DNA testing for the Martyrs and would like to know > > whether my Loveless brother in Wales, UK can be tested via a transportable > > specimen - hair or swab?? > > I have traced our Loveless line back to 1746 to Thomas Loveless near > > Bridport in Dorset, no relationship found as yet, the line is direct to my > > brother through the male line. He has said he is happy to be tested. We > > know there is no direct family link to the Martyrs generation but wonder > > whether there is a family link through their grandfather's extended > family. > > Particularly significant was the family's move from Dorset to Kent at the > > time of the trial. Anyway any info would be greatly appreciated. I > remember > > there are websites giving info but as we are in the middle of moving house > > and I'm borrowing a computer, I'm trying to by-pass the 'searching'! > > Many thanks, Carol Park, (nee Loveless). > > > > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > > > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > >

Carol I have a couple of Thomas Lovelace on my tree from around the time have said. Both were born in Mosterton, Dorset, not that far from Bridport and both seemed to disappeared from the Mosterton area. Any chance one of them they may be yours? Have you any more detail so I can see if there is any connection. Apologies if we have been through this before. Regards Howard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Park" <brecas@dnet.net.au> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 11:09 AM Subject: [TOL] re DNA testing > Hi Donna, > We are in the middle of moving house, Brian is in Brisbane 250kms away and > I'm here, he's got my computer - and my address book - which is a roundabout > way of saying I am trying to contact Greg regarding the DNA testing of > Loveless line and only have TOLPUDDLE address in my head. Could you send > this on to Greg, if that is the correct place for such queries! > I hope all is well with you and yours as we come up to the festive season. > Must say with moving, house and jobs and schools haven't had much time to > notice....I was like a child in wonder when I finally got to the shopping > mall yesterday and noticed all the Christmas decorations! Bit like a hermit > lately. Anyway, I hope you are a little more organised than I - pre > grand-baby as well! Thanks Donna. > > > Dear Greg, > I am interested in the DNA testing for the Martyrs and would like to know > whether my Loveless brother in Wales, UK can be tested via a transportable > specimen - hair or swab?? > I have traced our Loveless line back to 1746 to Thomas Loveless near > Bridport in Dorset, no relationship found as yet, the line is direct to my > brother through the male line. He has said he is happy to be tested. We > know there is no direct family link to the Martyrs generation but wonder > whether there is a family link through their grandfather's extended family. > Particularly significant was the family's move from Dorset to Kent at the > time of the trial. Anyway any info would be greatly appreciated. I remember > there are websites giving info but as we are in the middle of moving house > and I'm borrowing a computer, I'm trying to by-pass the 'searching'! > Many thanks, Carol Park, (nee Loveless). > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs >

Hi Donna, We are in the middle of moving house, Brian is in Brisbane 250kms away and I'm here, he's got my computer - and my address book - which is a roundabout way of saying I am trying to contact Greg regarding the DNA testing of Loveless line and only have TOLPUDDLE address in my head. Could you send this on to Greg, if that is the correct place for such queries! I hope all is well with you and yours as we come up to the festive season. Must say with moving, house and jobs and schools haven't had much time to notice....I was like a child in wonder when I finally got to the shopping mall yesterday and noticed all the Christmas decorations! Bit like a hermit lately. Anyway, I hope you are a little more organised than I - pre grand-baby as well! Thanks Donna. Dear Greg, I am interested in the DNA testing for the Martyrs and would like to know whether my Loveless brother in Wales, UK can be tested via a transportable specimen - hair or swab?? I have traced our Loveless line back to 1746 to Thomas Loveless near Bridport in Dorset, no relationship found as yet, the line is direct to my brother through the male line. He has said he is happy to be tested. We know there is no direct family link to the Martyrs generation but wonder whether there is a family link through their grandfather's extended family. Particularly significant was the family's move from Dorset to Kent at the time of the trial. Anyway any info would be greatly appreciated. I remember there are websites giving info but as we are in the middle of moving house and I'm borrowing a computer, I'm trying to by-pass the 'searching'! Many thanks, Carol Park, (nee Loveless).

Hello all. Another snip of information from Greg Lovelace. > > From the Kelly Roll of Honour at > >http://www.kellyshipping.co.uk/history-war-rollofhonour.htm > >s.s "GLENDALOUGH" 9th August 1941. > >Bombed and seriously damaged: > <<snip>> > > Frank Lovelace, Cook, Poole > <<snip>> > > >

Hello all. I'm forwarding on this article on Agricultural Labourers as our ancestors were some. Donna > Ag Labs. Salt of the Earth! Found in Liverpool Family Historian June 02 > > Food For Thought- He must have been an Ag Lab > > "Ask yourselves whether you know the gestation period for a sheep or a cow, > and you can't read or write to make a note of it. The ag lab knew when the > animal would calve by observing the position of the stars and work it out > from that, or from the particular religious festivals being celebrated in > church at the appropriate times. Reading and writing is one thing, but it > wasn't necessary, numeracy however or a limited knowledge of it was > essential so as to count his or his masters livestock and his own money and > to tell the time. It was no good thinking that 7 o'clock came immediately > after three bells had just struck on the church clock! > > There was no electricity, the lanes were bad and there was no health > service. The Ag lab knew how to make his own rush lights to light his home, > the shortest and driest route between 2 places and which herbs to pick as > remedies for his families ailments. He knew his neighbours far better than > we know ours. We isolate ourselves in our cars and in front of our > television sets. He relied on neighbours with different skills from his, to > help him out when the need arose. He was thrifty where we borrow on bits of > plastic he and his family had to make ends meet regardless or with great > shame go on the parish. > > Yes he could even forecast his local weatherby watching the reactions of > wildlife and plants to changing conditions. He was far better at it than any > of us from our centrally heated homes and offices. He knew how to thatch and > how to get straight straw for thatching whereas we send for experts to fix a > cracked slate. > > He was tough. He could walk for days behind a plough, pulled by a team of > horses, and still walkmiles to church each sunday. A 20 mile walk laden with > produce or purchases to and from market each week was also the norm for > some. No fancily equipped gymnasium for him, yet he was fitter than today's > health freaks who maybe should take a lesson or two from his ancestors. > > Can you use a sickle or scythe from dawn to dusk, in all weathers? Can you > snare a rabbit for dinner or cut beanpoles from a hedge in a manner that > will promote further growth? Can you mix your own whitewash, or train a dog > to hunt or round up sheep for you? Come to that can you milk a cow or > slaughter and butcher a sheep or pig? > > So called ag labs were no fools. they survived and very few of us would be > here to read this if they hadn't! > > Leave your car at home and walk to work tomorrow, even if it is five miles, > your ancestor did!" > > >

Hello All!!! Once again I have to say a huge thanks for all your positive thoughts and prayers. My sister Donna was told today that our little Adam is in remission, this is the best news we could have. He still has a long road to travel but at least its heading in the right direction. Cheers Irene

Irene - what great news!! You must be dancing for joy!!! Regards, Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eye" <eye22@bigpond.com> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 8:14 AM Subject: [TOL] Update on Adam > > > Hello All!!! > > Once again I have to say a huge thanks for all your positive thoughts > and prayers. > My sister Donna was told today that our little Adam is in remission, > this is the best news we could have. > He still has a long road to travel but at least its heading in the right > direction. > > > Cheers > Irene > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > >

Geoff - thanks for your input on this item. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: <AndersonGeoffR@cs.com> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 7:14 AM Subject: Re: [TOL] Fw: [PML] Death notice, David Loveless, London, Ontario, Canada, 2... > Hello tolpuddlers, > Just returned from England to find this obit, so sorry I didn't respond > earlier. This David Loveless is descended from William Loveless(1785-1868) and > Hannah Wolstenhome Holt (1797-1867). They were married in York (now Toronto) in > 1824. William was a gardener and coachman for Colonel William Allan in York. > He eventually moved to Esquesing township, and then shortly thereafter to > Scarborough. > I believe William's parents were William Loveless and Dorothy Fookes, and > that his grandparents were William Loveless and Joanna Aish, of Bincombe. > Even though this branch settled very early in Canada, I have seen no evidence > that they are related to the Tolpuddle Martyrs. > > Geoff > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs >

Hello tolpuddlers, Just returned from England to find this obit, so sorry I didn't respond earlier. This David Loveless is descended from William Loveless(1785-1868) and Hannah Wolstenhome Holt (1797-1867). They were married in York (now Toronto) in 1824. William was a gardener and coachman for Colonel William Allan in York. He eventually moved to Esquesing township, and then shortly thereafter to Scarborough. I believe William's parents were William Loveless and Dorothy Fookes, and that his grandparents were William Loveless and Joanna Aish, of Bincombe. Even though this branch settled very early in Canada, I have seen no evidence that they are related to the Tolpuddle Martyrs. Geoff

> > LOVELESS, David W; 55; ON; London Free Press; 2004-10-29 > <<snip>> >> >

Irene - my sister sent me this cute blonde joke. Cheers, Donna Don't forget for us Canadians - Its fall back tonight. > > > > >>> > > > > >>>Two sisters, one blonde and one brunette, inherit the family > > > > >>>ranch. > > > > >>> > > > > >>>Unfortunately, after just a few years, they are in > > > > >>>financial trouble. In order to keep the bank from repossessing > > > > >>>the ranch, they need to purchase a bull so that they can breed > > > > >>> > > > > >>>their own stock. They only have $600 to buy a bull. > > > > >>> > > > > >>>Upon leaving, the brunette tells her sister, "When I get > > > > >>>there, if I decide to buy the bull, I'll contact you to drive out > > > > >>>after me and haul it home." > > > > >>> > > > > >>>The brunette arrives at the man's ranch, inspects the bull, > > > > >>>and decides she wants to buy it. The man tells her that he > > > > >>>will sell it for $599, no less. > > > > >>> > > > > >>>After paying him, she drives to the nearest town to send > > > > >>>her sister a telegram to tell her the news. She walks into the > > > > >>>telegraph office,and says, "I want to send a telegram to my > > > > >>>sister telling her that I've bought a bull for our ranch. I need > > > > >>> > > > > >>>her to hitch the trailer to our pickup truck and drive out here so > > > > >>> > > > > >>>we can haul it home." > > > > >>> > > > > >>>The telegraph operator explains that he'll be glad to help > > > > >>>her, then adds, "It's just 99 cents a word." > > > > >>> > > > > >>>Well, after paying for the bull, the brunette only has $1 > > > > >>>left. She realizes that she'll only be able to send her sister one > > > word. > > > > >>>After a few minutes of thinking, she nods and says, "I want you >to > > > > >>>send her the word "comfortable." > > > > >>> > > > > >>>The operator shakes his head. "How is she ever going to > > > > >>>know that you want her to hitch the trailer to your pickup > > > > >>>truck and drive out here to haul that bull back to your ranch if > > > > >>>you send her just the word "comfortable?" > > > > >>> > > > > >>>The brunette explains, "My sister's a blonde. The word's really > > > > >>>big, She'll read it very slowly .. com-for-da-bul." > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Fabulous news Irene, now keep the faith - the cousins have all worked theirs and Adam is going to be just fine. How about the rest of the family treating themselves now?? Love always, Carol PS did I tell you we move to Brisbane on December 17 th?? At laaaaaaast. ----- Original Message ----- From: Eye <eye22@bigpond.com> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 8:30 AM Subject: [TOL] Update on our little Adam > > > G'day to all my wonderful pals who have been praying for our little > Adam. > Here is an update on his progress which I believe with your help is a > really positive. > Adam is having a great week with great results coming back on Monday, > they say that the cancer is nearly all gone from his little body, they > are hoping for remission soon. We know that this does not give him the > all clear and that if he goes into remission the chance of it returning > is very high before they kick it again but these result sure are a > positive and beats things not working. > The little darling started to lose his hair and so Donna took him off to > have a cool very short shave of his head, he loves it. > He had been so spoilt by everyone that he is feeling very special. > He comes for his morning cup of tea with Aunty Eye most mornings and > this morning I have a lovely surprise for him because a lovely Howgate > relo (genie cousin) has sent him a Moose from Maine USA, it's gorgeous > and has a story book to go with it. She also wrote in the book how the > moose in her area steal the blueberries from the bushes before she gets > to make her blueberry pie. It's a real treasure and show just how close > we genie cousin can be even if we have never meet. > Thanks Cousins > Love > Aunty Eye > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - > UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > > >

Hello all. Some more information from Greg Lovelace. Cheers, Donna > >Some more marriages - to go online at: > >http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~maryc/thisisit.htm format - County; Groom; > >age; occupation, birthplace, residence, his parents; bride; age; birthplace, > >residence; her parents; witnesses; marriage date and place. > > > >Marriages Essex County, filed in 1874 > <<snip>> > >001326 (Essex) Hilbor CURTIS, 22, bachelor, farmer, Mersea, Mersea, > >s/o Caleb & Ruth CURTIS to Ellen LOVELACE, 24, spinster, Gosfield, > >Gosfield, d/o William & Margaret LOVELACE; wit William & Melinda LOVELACE > >on 12-28-1873 in Gosfield by license > <<snip>> > > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] >