Food for thought!? Laura Schlessinger is a US radio personality, who dispenses advice to people who call in to her Radio show. On her radio show recently, she said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination, according to Leviticus 18:22 and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The following response is an open letter to Dr. Laura, penned by a US resident, which was posted on the Internet. It's funny, as well as thought-provoking. -- Dear Dr. Laura: Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them. 1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians? 2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? 3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence. 4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odour for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is, my neighbours. They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them? 5. I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it? 6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination? 7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here? 8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev 19:27. How should they die? 9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves? 10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev.24:10-16). Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14) I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging. Your adoring fan Gene Grigson Security guard Phone 2353535 ext 5166

Carol - You go girl!! Thanks for the comments that I have given you some confidence. I think we all have it in us we just lose it for awhile. I read something recently that in order to make it big you have to take a risk. Here I'm re-entering the workforce in my 50s and I have found out so far that my employers really appreciate maturity over youth. Almost finished my 3 weeks orientation and I have never been so busy and so tired and loving it just the same. Take care all, Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "carol&brian" <brecas@dnet.net.au> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 5:39 AM Subject: Re: [TOL] Re: TOLPUDDLE-D Digest V05 #67 > I too had an interesting week - I resigned from Qld Health !!! (State > Health Board) I have wanted to do that for several months and now I've > done it.... I'm not scared of being out of work and broke and then > crawling back to get some days' work. I've got 4 weeks to go before I > sink so low... besides if I can't get that 'plum' position somewhere > else by then I'll have plenty of time to work on my family trees.. > So Donna you give me confidence that I too will be able to say the same > about enjoying my job and the people in it in a short while. Sometimes > you just have to keep your eyes shut as you take your first skydive. > Cheers Carol > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > >

I too had an interesting week - I resigned from Qld Health !!! (State Health Board) I have wanted to do that for several months and now I've done it.... I'm not scared of being out of work and broke and then crawling back to get some days' work. I've got 4 weeks to go before I sink so low... besides if I can't get that 'plum' position somewhere else by then I'll have plenty of time to work on my family trees.. So Donna you give me confidence that I too will be able to say the same about enjoying my job and the people in it in a short while. Sometimes you just have to keep your eyes shut as you take your first skydive. Cheers Carol

Hello all. Still have my subscription to 1871online for a couple of more weeks. Contact me offline if you wish to have an ancestor looked up on the 1861 census. Regards, Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: <newsletter@1837online.com> To: <emily04@rogers.com> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 12:19 PM Subject: 1861 census - new county alert > > You'll be pleased to know that we have now added the data for Carmarthenshire, Buckinghamshire, Oxfordshire, Monmouthshire, Northamptonshire and Wiltshire to our existing 1861 census records on http://www.1837online.com > > The counties that are now available are: > > Bedfordshire > Berkshire > Buckinghamshire > Cambridgeshire > Carmarthenshire > Cheshire > Cornwall > Cumberland > Derbyshire > Devon > Dorset > Durham > Essex > Glamorgan > Gloucestershire > Hampshire > Hertfordshire > Kent > Lancashire > Leicestershire > Lincolnshire > London > Middlesex > Monmouthshire > Norfolk > Northamptonshire > Northumberland > Nottinghamshire > Oxfordshire > Shropshire > Somerset > Staffordshire > Suffolk > Surrey > Sussex > Warwickshire > Wiltshire > Worcestershire > Yorkshire > > > The counties that will be following next are: > > Carnarvonshire > Cardiganshire > Denbighshire > Pembrokeshire > Montgomeryshire > > We will continue to update you each time a new county is ready. > > > > > If you do not wish to receive any newsletters from us in the future, please send an email to unsubscribe@1837online.com. To view our privacy policy please click the following link. http://www.1837online.com/Trace2web/privacy/index.jsp > > > >

Irene - Yes, I agree with you that one must be patient when searching for lost ancestors. Once I had a whole family tree sent to me from unexpected sources which took my ex-husband's maternal grandmother's side back to the 1700 hundreds. Before this her aunts had said that I wouldn't be able to find anything. Boy were they surprised. This weekend I'm working 11 - 7 on my new job as I they gave me Thursday off. Tomorrow I will have to some more grocery shopping and laundry etc. Today will finish 2 weeks of orientation for my new job. Still liking it and boy does the time go fast. People I work with are great. Well, must run. Can't be late for work, Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eye" <eye22@bigpond.com> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 7:25 PM Subject: RE: [TOL] Re: TOLPUDDLE-D Digest V05 #67 > Hang in there Martin, maybe one day soon your relo will pop onto our > list. I think your Hampshire Loveless's should be easy, I keep looking > at them and think the link must be there somewhere. > > I emailed Vivienne and have had a reply already. > Her interest is in Withers, don't think they connect but certainly worth > double checking. > > Yeah Cas what a surprise, how's the new house?? > What happen to the trip to Melbourne? > > Saturday, the start of my weekend, time restock the food into the house, > do the thousand things at the shops I don't get done because I am locked > in an office all week, clean my house grrrr an all weekend job in itself > (any volunteers who want to help) perhaps treat the family to a cooked > meal, mm maybe, prune all my roses, Ooo I love pruning, think > constantly about the next place to look for my descendents, read my book > which is getting real interesting (of course English history, set in > 1465) watch my footy team probably get annihilated again, make such my > kids and hubby are happy, come up with another idea to stop my dog from > eating my fruit tree, out of 15 trees in my back yard he wants to eat my > pear tree and then rest up for my next full week of work:-) > Oh and went to the flicks with my sister last night and saw Monster In > Law, fabulous movie, Jane Fonda was fantastic. > What's on the agenda of the rest of you? > > Have a great weekend > Irene > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Martin Willcocks [mailto:martinwill2@comcast.net] > Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 6:45 AM > To: TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [TOL] Re: TOLPUDDLE-D Digest V05 #67 > > Evidently no such luck with my Hampshire LOVELESS connections! I'm > envious! > > Regards, > Martin Willcocks, > Taylorsville, UT, USA > > TOLPUDDLE-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Subject: > > Re: [TOL] Fw: [PML] Elizabeth Withers Loveless Mudge, Australia, > > mid-1800s > > From: > > "carol and brian" <brecas@dnet.net.au> > > Date: > > Fri, 22 Jul 2005 16:55:27 +1000 > > To: > > TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com > > > > To: > > TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > >Hey Eye - I too jumped when I saw that email and thought that's Irene's > >family!! At last. I really hope this link may lead on........ > >cheers, Carol > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Eye" <eye22@bigpond.com> > >To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 11:32 PM > >Subject: RE: [TOL] Fw: [PML] Elizabeth Withers Loveless Mudge, > Australia, > >mid-1800s > > > > > > > > > >>Well, well, finally someone mentions my family. > >>This Elizabeth Withers Loveless is my ggg grandmother. > >>YIPEE!!!! > >>Only took 7 years, goes to show you have to be patient:-) > >>I was playing around in the Berkshire list recently as well and this > is > >>where she finds mention of Elizabeth Withers Loveless. > >>Will certainly send an email Vivienne. > >> Thanks very much Donna, I was just thinking of you, how's your new > >>job??? > >>Night > >>Irene > >> > >> > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Donna King [mailto:emily04@rogers.com] > >>Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 11:19 PM > >>To: TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com > >>Subject: [TOL] Fw: [PML] Elizabeth Withers Loveless Mudge, Australia, > >>mid-1800s > >> > >> > >>Hello all. Here is an email from Vivienne Worthington. She is not > >>subscribed to the list. If you can help you, please email Vivienne at > >> > >>viviennew@bigpond.com > >> > >>Thanks, > >> > >>Donna > >>Hot, humid Barrie, Ontario, Canada > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>>From: "Vivienne Worthington" <viviennew@bigpond.com> > >>>>Source: WITHERS-L@rootsweb.com > >>>>Subject: William and/or Elizabeth Withers. > >>>> > >>>>Hello from Australia, > >>>> > >>>>I have found two brief references to an Elizabeth Withers. One > >>>>refers to an record of Elizabeth Withers widow of ***Robert > >>>>LOVELESS*** in Australia. She married again in 1862 to Edward Mudge > >>>>in Australia . Her children referred to Robert Loveless as their > >>>>father. The other reference mentions Elizabeth being a sister of > >>>> > >>>> > >>Samuel > >>Edward > >> > >> > >>>>Withers whe came to Australia in the 1850's. > >>>> > >>>>Samuel's b.1818 in Highgate, London d.1883 in Australia. > >>>>His family is as follows: > >>>>f. David Edward Withers, Florist, Spring Garden Terrace. > >>>>m.Catherine Francis > >>>>Henry, b.1820 > >>>>William, b.1824 > >>>>Elizabeth, b. ? > >>>>Mary Anne, b. ? > >>>>Samuel m. Margaret Barge at St. Mary's Trinity Church, Parish of > >>>> > >>>> > >>Newington, > >> > >> > >>>>County of Surrey in 1844. Later references to him mention his > >>>> > >>>> > >>address as > >> > >> > >>>>St.Andrew Holburn, London 1844. > >>>>I hope this will also be of interest to other researchers. > >>>> > >>>>Vivienne Worthington > >>>> > >>>> > >>>--- > >>>[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > >

Hang in there Martin, maybe one day soon your relo will pop onto our list. I think your Hampshire Loveless's should be easy, I keep looking at them and think the link must be there somewhere. I emailed Vivienne and have had a reply already. Her interest is in Withers, don't think they connect but certainly worth double checking. Yeah Cas what a surprise, how's the new house?? What happen to the trip to Melbourne? Saturday, the start of my weekend, time restock the food into the house, do the thousand things at the shops I don't get done because I am locked in an office all week, clean my house grrrr an all weekend job in itself (any volunteers who want to help) perhaps treat the family to a cooked meal, mm maybe, prune all my roses, Ooo I love pruning, think constantly about the next place to look for my descendents, read my book which is getting real interesting (of course English history, set in 1465) watch my footy team probably get annihilated again, make such my kids and hubby are happy, come up with another idea to stop my dog from eating my fruit tree, out of 15 trees in my back yard he wants to eat my pear tree and then rest up for my next full week of work:-) Oh and went to the flicks with my sister last night and saw Monster In Law, fabulous movie, Jane Fonda was fantastic. What's on the agenda of the rest of you? Have a great weekend Irene -----Original Message----- From: Martin Willcocks [mailto:martinwill2@comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 6:45 AM To: TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TOL] Re: TOLPUDDLE-D Digest V05 #67 Evidently no such luck with my Hampshire LOVELESS connections! I'm envious! Regards, Martin Willcocks, Taylorsville, UT, USA TOLPUDDLE-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [TOL] Fw: [PML] Elizabeth Withers Loveless Mudge, Australia, > mid-1800s > From: > "carol and brian" <brecas@dnet.net.au> > Date: > Fri, 22 Jul 2005 16:55:27 +1000 > To: > TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com > > To: > TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com > > >Hey Eye - I too jumped when I saw that email and thought that's Irene's >family!! At last. I really hope this link may lead on........ >cheers, Carol > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Eye" <eye22@bigpond.com> >To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 11:32 PM >Subject: RE: [TOL] Fw: [PML] Elizabeth Withers Loveless Mudge, Australia, >mid-1800s > > > > >>Well, well, finally someone mentions my family. >>This Elizabeth Withers Loveless is my ggg grandmother. >>YIPEE!!!! >>Only took 7 years, goes to show you have to be patient:-) >>I was playing around in the Berkshire list recently as well and this is >>where she finds mention of Elizabeth Withers Loveless. >>Will certainly send an email Vivienne. >> Thanks very much Donna, I was just thinking of you, how's your new >>job??? >>Night >>Irene >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Donna King [mailto:emily04@rogers.com] >>Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 11:19 PM >>To: TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: [TOL] Fw: [PML] Elizabeth Withers Loveless Mudge, Australia, >>mid-1800s >> >> >>Hello all. Here is an email from Vivienne Worthington. She is not >>subscribed to the list. If you can help you, please email Vivienne at >> >>viviennew@bigpond.com >> >>Thanks, >> >>Donna >>Hot, humid Barrie, Ontario, Canada >> >> >> >> >> >>>>From: "Vivienne Worthington" <viviennew@bigpond.com> >>>>Source: WITHERS-L@rootsweb.com >>>>Subject: William and/or Elizabeth Withers. >>>> >>>>Hello from Australia, >>>> >>>>I have found two brief references to an Elizabeth Withers. One >>>>refers to an record of Elizabeth Withers widow of ***Robert >>>>LOVELESS*** in Australia. She married again in 1862 to Edward Mudge >>>>in Australia . Her children referred to Robert Loveless as their >>>>father. The other reference mentions Elizabeth being a sister of >>>> >>>> >>Samuel >>Edward >> >> >>>>Withers whe came to Australia in the 1850's. >>>> >>>>Samuel's b.1818 in Highgate, London d.1883 in Australia. >>>>His family is as follows: >>>>f. David Edward Withers, Florist, Spring Garden Terrace. >>>>m.Catherine Francis >>>>Henry, b.1820 >>>>William, b.1824 >>>>Elizabeth, b. ? >>>>Mary Anne, b. ? >>>>Samuel m. Margaret Barge at St. Mary's Trinity Church, Parish of >>>> >>>> >>Newington, >> >> >>>>County of Surrey in 1844. Later references to him mention his >>>> >>>> >>address as >> >> >>>>St.Andrew Holburn, London 1844. >>>>I hope this will also be of interest to other researchers. >>>> >>>>Vivienne Worthington >>>> >>>> >>>--- >>>[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] >>> >>> >>> ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs

Hey Eye - I too jumped when I saw that email and thought that's Irene's family!! At last. I really hope this link may lead on........ cheers, Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eye" <eye22@bigpond.com> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 11:32 PM Subject: RE: [TOL] Fw: [PML] Elizabeth Withers Loveless Mudge, Australia, mid-1800s > Well, well, finally someone mentions my family. > This Elizabeth Withers Loveless is my ggg grandmother. > YIPEE!!!! > Only took 7 years, goes to show you have to be patient:-) > I was playing around in the Berkshire list recently as well and this is > where she finds mention of Elizabeth Withers Loveless. > Will certainly send an email Vivienne. > Thanks very much Donna, I was just thinking of you, how's your new > job??? > Night > Irene > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Donna King [mailto:emily04@rogers.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 11:19 PM > To: TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [TOL] Fw: [PML] Elizabeth Withers Loveless Mudge, Australia, > mid-1800s > > > Hello all. Here is an email from Vivienne Worthington. She is not > subscribed to the list. If you can help you, please email Vivienne at > > viviennew@bigpond.com > > Thanks, > > Donna > Hot, humid Barrie, Ontario, Canada > > > > > > > >From: "Vivienne Worthington" <viviennew@bigpond.com> > > >Source: WITHERS-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: William and/or Elizabeth Withers. > > > > > >Hello from Australia, > > > > > >I have found two brief references to an Elizabeth Withers. One > > >refers to an record of Elizabeth Withers widow of ***Robert > > >LOVELESS*** in Australia. She married again in 1862 to Edward Mudge > > >in Australia . Her children referred to Robert Loveless as their > > >father. The other reference mentions Elizabeth being a sister of > Samuel > Edward > > >Withers whe came to Australia in the 1850's. > > > > > >Samuel's b.1818 in Highgate, London d.1883 in Australia. > > >His family is as follows: > > >f. David Edward Withers, Florist, Spring Garden Terrace. > > >m.Catherine Francis > > >Henry, b.1820 > > >William, b.1824 > > >Elizabeth, b. ? > > >Mary Anne, b. ? > > >Samuel m. Margaret Barge at St. Mary's Trinity Church, Parish of > Newington, > > >County of Surrey in 1844. Later references to him mention his > address as > > >St.Andrew Holburn, London 1844. > > >I hope this will also be of interest to other researchers. > > > > > >Vivienne Worthington > > > > > > --- > > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > > > > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > > >

Evidently no such luck with my Hampshire LOVELESS connections! I'm envious! Regards, Martin Willcocks, Taylorsville, UT, USA TOLPUDDLE-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [TOL] Fw: [PML] Elizabeth Withers Loveless Mudge, Australia, > mid-1800s > From: > "carol and brian" <brecas@dnet.net.au> > Date: > Fri, 22 Jul 2005 16:55:27 +1000 > To: > TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com > > To: > TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com > > >Hey Eye - I too jumped when I saw that email and thought that's Irene's >family!! At last. I really hope this link may lead on........ >cheers, Carol > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Eye" <eye22@bigpond.com> >To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 11:32 PM >Subject: RE: [TOL] Fw: [PML] Elizabeth Withers Loveless Mudge, Australia, >mid-1800s > > > > >>Well, well, finally someone mentions my family. >>This Elizabeth Withers Loveless is my ggg grandmother. >>YIPEE!!!! >>Only took 7 years, goes to show you have to be patient:-) >>I was playing around in the Berkshire list recently as well and this is >>where she finds mention of Elizabeth Withers Loveless. >>Will certainly send an email Vivienne. >> Thanks very much Donna, I was just thinking of you, how's your new >>job??? >>Night >>Irene >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Donna King [mailto:emily04@rogers.com] >>Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 11:19 PM >>To: TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: [TOL] Fw: [PML] Elizabeth Withers Loveless Mudge, Australia, >>mid-1800s >> >> >>Hello all. Here is an email from Vivienne Worthington. She is not >>subscribed to the list. If you can help you, please email Vivienne at >> >>viviennew@bigpond.com >> >>Thanks, >> >>Donna >>Hot, humid Barrie, Ontario, Canada >> >> >> >> >> >>>>From: "Vivienne Worthington" <viviennew@bigpond.com> >>>>Source: WITHERS-L@rootsweb.com >>>>Subject: William and/or Elizabeth Withers. >>>> >>>>Hello from Australia, >>>> >>>>I have found two brief references to an Elizabeth Withers. One >>>>refers to an record of Elizabeth Withers widow of ***Robert >>>>LOVELESS*** in Australia. She married again in 1862 to Edward Mudge >>>>in Australia . Her children referred to Robert Loveless as their >>>>father. The other reference mentions Elizabeth being a sister of >>>> >>>> >>Samuel >>Edward >> >> >>>>Withers whe came to Australia in the 1850's. >>>> >>>>Samuel's b.1818 in Highgate, London d.1883 in Australia. >>>>His family is as follows: >>>>f. David Edward Withers, Florist, Spring Garden Terrace. >>>>m.Catherine Francis >>>>Henry, b.1820 >>>>William, b.1824 >>>>Elizabeth, b. ? >>>>Mary Anne, b. ? >>>>Samuel m. Margaret Barge at St. Mary's Trinity Church, Parish of >>>> >>>> >>Newington, >> >> >>>>County of Surrey in 1844. Later references to him mention his >>>> >>>> >>address as >> >> >>>>St.Andrew Holburn, London 1844. >>>>I hope this will also be of interest to other researchers. >>>> >>>>Vivienne Worthington >>>> >>>> >>>--- >>>[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] >>> >>> >>>

Well, well, finally someone mentions my family. This Elizabeth Withers Loveless is my ggg grandmother. YIPEE!!!! Only took 7 years, goes to show you have to be patient:-) I was playing around in the Berkshire list recently as well and this is where she finds mention of Elizabeth Withers Loveless. Will certainly send an email Vivienne. Thanks very much Donna, I was just thinking of you, how's your new job??? Night Irene -----Original Message----- From: Donna King [mailto:emily04@rogers.com] Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 11:19 PM To: TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [TOL] Fw: [PML] Elizabeth Withers Loveless Mudge, Australia, mid-1800s Hello all. Here is an email from Vivienne Worthington. She is not subscribed to the list. If you can help you, please email Vivienne at viviennew@bigpond.com Thanks, Donna Hot, humid Barrie, Ontario, Canada > > >From: "Vivienne Worthington" <viviennew@bigpond.com> > >Source: WITHERS-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: William and/or Elizabeth Withers. > > > >Hello from Australia, > > > >I have found two brief references to an Elizabeth Withers. One > >refers to an record of Elizabeth Withers widow of ***Robert > >LOVELESS*** in Australia. She married again in 1862 to Edward Mudge > >in Australia . Her children referred to Robert Loveless as their > >father. The other reference mentions Elizabeth being a sister of Samuel Edward > >Withers whe came to Australia in the 1850's. > > > >Samuel's b.1818 in Highgate, London d.1883 in Australia. > >His family is as follows: > >f. David Edward Withers, Florist, Spring Garden Terrace. > >m.Catherine Francis > >Henry, b.1820 > >William, b.1824 > >Elizabeth, b. ? > >Mary Anne, b. ? > >Samuel m. Margaret Barge at St. Mary's Trinity Church, Parish of Newington, > >County of Surrey in 1844. Later references to him mention his address as > >St.Andrew Holburn, London 1844. > >I hope this will also be of interest to other researchers. > > > >Vivienne Worthington > > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs

Hello all. Here is an email from Vivienne Worthington. She is not subscribed to the list. If you can help you, please email Vivienne at viviennew@bigpond.com Thanks, Donna Hot, humid Barrie, Ontario, Canada > > >From: "Vivienne Worthington" <viviennew@bigpond.com> > >Source: WITHERS-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: William and/or Elizabeth Withers. > > > >Hello from Australia, > > > >I have found two brief references to an Elizabeth Withers. One > >refers to an record of Elizabeth Withers widow of ***Robert > >LOVELESS*** in Australia. She married again in 1862 to Edward Mudge > >in Australia . Her children referred to Robert Loveless as their > >father. The other reference mentions Elizabeth being a sister of Samuel Edward > >Withers whe came to Australia in the 1850's. > > > >Samuel's b.1818 in Highgate, London d.1883 in Australia. > >His family is as follows: > >f. David Edward Withers, Florist, Spring Garden Terrace. > >m.Catherine Francis > >Henry, b.1820 > >William, b.1824 > >Elizabeth, b. ? > >Mary Anne, b. ? > >Samuel m. Margaret Barge at St. Mary's Trinity Church, Parish of Newington, > >County of Surrey in 1844. Later references to him mention his address as > >St.Andrew Holburn, London 1844. > >I hope this will also be of interest to other researchers. > > > >Vivienne Worthington > > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > >

Donna King wrote: >Hello all. I have a subscription to the 1837online.com until the beginning >of August. I plan to use it to search for more information on all my >different families. > >If I have entries left I will do searches for anyone else as to not waste >the subscription. If you're interested please see the email below as to >what is available on the 1861 census. Also see their URL listed below for >other searches of birth, marriage, death etc . > >Please give all the information possible and what search you would like >done. I will let you know if I find anything of value. > >Happy Canada Day > >Donna >----- Original Message ----- >From: <newsletter@1837online.com> >To: <emily04@rogers.com> >Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 10:25 AM >Subject: 1861 census - new county alert > > > > >>We are pleased to announce that we have launched the data for >> >> >Lincolnshire, Glamorgan, Gloucestershire, Somerset, Hampshire and >Northumberland to our existing 1861 census records on >http://www.1837online.com. > > >>The counties that are now available are: >> >>Bedfordshire >>Berkshire >>Cambridgeshire >>Cheshire >>Cornwall >>Devon >>Dorset >>Durham >>Essex >>Glamorgan >>Gloucestershire >>Hampshire >>Hertfordshire >>Kent >>Lancashire >>Leicestershire >>Lincolnshire >>London >>Middlesex >>Northumberland >>Shropshire >>Somerset >>Staffordshire >>Surrey >>Warwickshire >>Worcestershire >>Yorkshire >> >>The counties that will be following next are: >> >>Norfolk >>Nottinghamshire >>Sussex >> >>We will continue to update you each time a new county is ready. >> >> >>Useful Tip: Wildcards >> >>If you search for an ancestor in the 1861 census and you are unsure how >> >> >their name was spelt, or can't find it with the usual spelling, try using >the wildcard facility. For example, if you search for William Lancaster and >you type in William *caster, the search will return a list of results that >include names such as William Doncaster or William Hilcaster - as well as >William Lancaster. You can also use two wildcards to search for a string of >letters such as *ollin*, if you are perhaps looking for a Rollind or a >Collins. The wildcard is denoted by a * and can be used within all search >fields, apart from ones which contain the drop-down menus. > > >> >>If you do not wish to receive any newsletters from us in the future, >> >> >please send an email to unsubscribe@1837online.com. To view our privacy >policy please click the following link. >http://www.1837online.com/Trace2web/privacy/index.jsp > > >> >> >> > > > >==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== >LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > >http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > > > > > Hi Donna,If you get the chance would you be able to look up: *ISAAC LUCK Born-1847 in Wittersham, Kent. So - aged 13 or 14 years in 1861 census.* I don't know who his parents/family are and it has been driving me mad for a long time. Can't trace his marriage certificate nor birth certs of his children even though I have their details on 1881 and 1901 census. one snag - Wittersham is in *Kent* now but it MAY have been in *Sussex t*hen. I note that this census doesn't cover Sussex yet. Anyway I rather think you will have a lot of calls on your census time so leave this one to the end. Hope all is well with you and yours' - gran.... Cheers, Carol

Carol - not sure if you were trying to send me an email. Below is what I received. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "carol&brian" <brecas@dnet.net.au> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 2:43 AM Subject: Re: [TOL] Fw: 1861 census - new county alert > Donna King wrote: > > >Hello all. I have a subscription to the 1837online.com until the beginning > >of August. I plan to use it to search for more information on all my > >different families. > > > >If I have entries left I will do searches for anyone else as to not waste > >the subscription. If you're interested please see the email below as to > >what is available on the 1861 census. Also see their URL listed below for > >other searches of birth, marriage, death etc . > > > >Please give all the information possible and what search you would like > >done. I will let you know if I find anything of value. > > > >Happy Canada Day > > > >Donna > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: <newsletter@1837online.com> > >To: <emily04@rogers.com> > >Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 10:25 AM > >Subject: 1861 census - new county alert > > > > > > > > > >>We are pleased to announce that we have launched the data for > >> > >> > >Lincolnshire, Glamorgan, Gloucestershire, Somerset, Hampshire and > >Northumberland to our existing 1861 census records on > >http://www.1837online.com. > > > > > >>The counties that are now available are: > >> > >>Bedfordshire > >>Berkshire > >>Cambridgeshire > >>Cheshire > >>Cornwall > >>Devon > >>Dorset > >>Durham > >>Essex > >>Glamorgan > >>Gloucestershire > >>Hampshire > >>Hertfordshire > >>Kent > >>Lancashire > >>Leicestershire > >>Lincolnshire > >>London > >>Middlesex > >>Northumberland > >>Shropshire > >>Somerset > >>Staffordshire > >>Surrey > >>Warwickshire > >>Worcestershire > >>Yorkshire > >> > >>The counties that will be following next are: > >> > >>Norfolk > >>Nottinghamshire > >>Sussex > >> > >>We will continue to update you each time a new county is ready. > >> > >> > >>Useful Tip: Wildcards > >> > >>If you search for an ancestor in the 1861 census and you are unsure how > >> > >> > >their name was spelt, or can't find it with the usual spelling, try using > >the wildcard facility. For example, if you search for William Lancaster and > >you type in William *caster, the search will return a list of results that > >include names such as William Doncaster or William Hilcaster - as well as > >William Lancaster. You can also use two wildcards to search for a string of > >letters such as *ollin*, if you are perhaps looking for a Rollind or a > >Collins. The wildcard is denoted by a * and can be used within all search > >fields, apart from ones which contain the drop-down menus. > > > > > >> > >>If you do not wish to receive any newsletters from us in the future, > >> > >> > >please send an email to unsubscribe@1837online.com. To view our privacy > >policy please click the following link. > >http://www.1837online.com/Trace2web/privacy/index.jsp > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > >==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > >LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > > > >http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Donna,If you get the chance would you be able to look up: > *ISAAC LUCK Born-1847 in Wittersham, Kent. So - aged 13 or 14 years in > 1861 census.* > I don't know who his parents/family are and it has been driving me mad > for a long time. Can't trace his marriage certificate nor birth certs > of his children even though I have their details on 1881 and 1901 > census. one snag - Wittersham is in *Kent* now but it MAY have been in > *Sussex t*hen. I note that this census doesn't cover Sussex yet. > Anyway I rather think you will have a lot of calls on your census time > so leave this one to the end. Hope all is well with you and yours' - > gran.... > Cheers, Carol > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > >

Hello all. I have a subscription to the 1837online.com until the beginning of August. I plan to use it to search for more information on all my different families. If I have entries left I will do searches for anyone else as to not waste the subscription. If you're interested please see the email below as to what is available on the 1861 census. Also see their URL listed below for other searches of birth, marriage, death etc . Please give all the information possible and what search you would like done. I will let you know if I find anything of value. Happy Canada Day Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: <newsletter@1837online.com> To: <emily04@rogers.com> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 10:25 AM Subject: 1861 census - new county alert > We are pleased to announce that we have launched the data for Lincolnshire, Glamorgan, Gloucestershire, Somerset, Hampshire and Northumberland to our existing 1861 census records on http://www.1837online.com. > > The counties that are now available are: > > Bedfordshire > Berkshire > Cambridgeshire > Cheshire > Cornwall > Devon > Dorset > Durham > Essex > Glamorgan > Gloucestershire > Hampshire > Hertfordshire > Kent > Lancashire > Leicestershire > Lincolnshire > London > Middlesex > Northumberland > Shropshire > Somerset > Staffordshire > Surrey > Warwickshire > Worcestershire > Yorkshire > > The counties that will be following next are: > > Norfolk > Nottinghamshire > Sussex > > We will continue to update you each time a new county is ready. > > > Useful Tip: Wildcards > > If you search for an ancestor in the 1861 census and you are unsure how their name was spelt, or can't find it with the usual spelling, try using the wildcard facility. For example, if you search for William Lancaster and you type in William *caster, the search will return a list of results that include names such as William Doncaster or William Hilcaster - as well as William Lancaster. You can also use two wildcards to search for a string of letters such as *ollin*, if you are perhaps looking for a Rollind or a Collins. The wildcard is denoted by a * and can be used within all search fields, apart from ones which contain the drop-down menus. > > > > If you do not wish to receive any newsletters from us in the future, please send an email to unsubscribe@1837online.com. To view our privacy policy please click the following link. http://www.1837online.com/Trace2web/privacy/index.jsp > > >

Hello all. Not sure if this message got through or not so I'm sending another one. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna King" <emily04@rogers.com> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 11:52 AM Subject: TOLPUDDLE MILITIA LISTS > http://www.dorset-opc.com/TolpuddleMilitia.htm#1756 > > >

Hi all Looks like summer has finally arrived here in London. Has anyone come across a Mrs Robinson who was grandaughter to James Hammett TPM? Regards Sally

Dawn - I haven't got back to the records for 1824 yet but I have found my original transcript notes from when I was only transcribing the names that I was interested in. In these notes there are no records of burials for any LOVELESSes around 1824. I know that I would of recorded any burials etc as LOVELESS was one of the names that I was researching. Anyways, I'm transcribing presently from the CD that LDS has sent me. It maybe that there will a difference of what was recorded. Cheers, Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mrs Dawn Stewart" <dawn@hutrud.eclipse.co.uk> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 3:11 PM Subject: [TOL] John Loveless > Hello Donna and everyone, > > Checking through my records, I have some conflicting dates for the John Loveless who married Judith Hibbs. I believe this John may have been born and/or bapt. 7th Nov..1751 and died sometime in 1824. I have his Affpuddle marriage to Judith as 5th Nov. 1773. Would you by very kind and check your Registers for me please Donna. There seems to have been a lot of Johns around at this time........... > > Many thanks > Dawn > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > >

Irene - I did a search on the British Vital Records and couldn't find James. I also couldn't find this family on the 1881 census. Doesn't mean they were there just that I couldn't locate them. The girls were probably married by this time. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eye" <eye22@bigpond.com> To: <TOLPUDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 7:09 AM Subject: [TOL] James Lovelace > > Hello my Tolpuddle Pals > > I am asking for help, please:-) > My nice friend Howard, "hi Howard" sent me this family and I am very > interested in it because it's for a James Lovelace born in Bristol > Somerset and possible died back in Somerset, the family lived in and > around London, Dorset and Devon. This is what I have so far, please > correct me if I have read it wrong Howard :-) > > >From the 1871 census Littleham. Exmouth. Devon. > Residing at 7 Parkers Place > > Lovelace James. Head. Mar. age 62? 42? Born Bristol Somerset. Coachman > (Domestic) > Lovelace Christiana. Wife. Mar. age 54. Born Cranborne Dorset. > Lovelace Julia. Daur. Unmar. age 14. Born Paddington Middlesex. > Drefsmaker (Apprec) > Lovelace Agnes. Daur. age 9. Born Longford Somerset. > > I found a match in the Free BMD > James Lovelace married Mar Qtr 1856 Marylebone. 1A 694. > Christiana Ferrett married Mar Qtr 1856 Marylebone. 1A 694. > > The a death for > Christiana Lovelace Death Dec Qtr 1882. Hastings Somerset. Age 66. > Then a death that might be James if he is 42 > James Lovelace Death Mar Qtr 1893. Hastings Somerset. Age 63. > > I would appreciate any help anyone can give me and will keep my fingers > and toes crossed. > Cheers > Irene > > > ==== TOLPUDDLE Mailing List ==== > LOVELESS/LOVELACE GENEALOGY PAGE - UNITED KINGDOM/CANADA/AUSTRALIA > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~martyrs > >

Hello my Tolpuddle Pals I am asking for help, please:-) My nice friend Howard, "hi Howard" sent me this family and I am very interested in it because it's for a James Lovelace born in Bristol Somerset and possible died back in Somerset, the family lived in and around London, Dorset and Devon. This is what I have so far, please correct me if I have read it wrong Howard :-) From the 1871 census Littleham. Exmouth. Devon. Residing at 7 Parkers Place Lovelace James. Head. Mar. age 62? 42? Born Bristol Somerset. Coachman (Domestic) Lovelace Christiana. Wife. Mar. age 54. Born Cranborne Dorset. Lovelace Julia. Daur. Unmar. age 14. Born Paddington Middlesex. Drefsmaker (Apprec) Lovelace Agnes. Daur. age 9. Born Longford Somerset. I found a match in the Free BMD James Lovelace married Mar Qtr 1856 Marylebone. 1A 694. Christiana Ferrett married Mar Qtr 1856 Marylebone. 1A 694. The a death for Christiana Lovelace Death Dec Qtr 1882. Hastings Somerset. Age 66. Then a death that might be James if he is 42 James Lovelace Death Mar Qtr 1893. Hastings Somerset. Age 63. I would appreciate any help anyone can give me and will keep my fingers and toes crossed. Cheers Irene

yah... I thought about you when I read that, Donna -- so, have you all traced your 'commandos?' jki On Jun 4, 2005, at 10:06 AM, Donna King wrote: Jacki - thanks for this one. I couldn't stop laughing. It even mentions CANADA in connection with the Israelites. Donna ===================== Moses led the Hebrew slaves to the Red Sea where they made unleavened bread, which is bread made without any ingredients. Moses went up on Mount Cyanide to get the ten commandos. He died before he ever reached Canada but the commandos made it.

Jacki - thanks for this one. I couldn't stop laughing. It even mentions CANADA in connection with the Israelites. Donna History by Children ... school's out!! [Thanks, Judy!] The following excerpts are actual answers given on history tests and in Sunday school quizzes by children between the 5th and 6th grades in Ohio. They were collected over a period of three years by two teachers. Read carefully for grammer, misplaced modifiers and, of course, spelling! Kids should rule the world, as it would be a laugh a minute for us adults and therefore no time to war or argue. Ancient Egypt was old. It was inhabited by gypsies and mummies who all wrote in hydraulics. They lived in the Sarah Dessert. The climate of the Sarah is such that all the inhabitants have to live elsewhere. Moses led the Hebrew slaves to the Red Sea where they made unleavened bread, which is bread made without any ingredients. Moses went up on Mount Cyanide to get the ten commandos. He died before he ever reached Canada but the commandos made it. Solomon had three hundred wives and seven hundred porcupines. He was a actual hysterical figure as well as being in the bible. It sounds like he was sort of busy too. The Greeks were a highly sculptured people, and without them we wouldnt have history. The Greeks also had myths. A myth is a young female moth. Socrates was a famous old Greek teacher who went around giving people advice. They killed him. He later died from an overdose of wedlock which is apparently poisonous. After his death, his career suffered a dramatic decline. In the first Olympic games, Greeks ran races, jumped, hurled biscuits, and threw the java. The games were messier then than they show on TV now. Julius Caesar extinguished himself on the battlefields of Gaul. The Ides of March murdered him because they thought he was going to be made the king. Dying, he gasped out "Same to you, Brutus." Joan of Arc was burnt to a steak and was canonized by Bernard Shaw for reasons I dont really understand. The English and French still have problems. Queen Elizabeth was the "Virgin Queen," as a queen she was a success. When she exposed herself before her troops they all shouted "hurrah" and that was the end of the fighting for a long while. It was an age of great inventions and discoveries. Guttenberg invented removable type and the Bible. Another important invention was the circulation of blood. Sir Walter Raleigh is a historical figure because he invented cigarettes and started smoking. Sir Francis Drake circumcised the world with a 100 foot clipper which was very dangerous to all his men. The greatest writer of the Renaissance was William Shakespeare. He was born in the year 1564, supposedly on his birthday. He never made much money and is famous only because of his plays. He wrote tragedies, comedies, and hysterectomies, all in Islamic pentameter. Writing at the same time as Shakespeare was Miguel Cervantes. He wrote Donkey Hote. The next great author was John Milton. Milton wrote Paradise Lost. Since then no one ever found it. Delegates from the original 13 states formed the Contented Congress. Thomas Jefferson, a Virgin, and Benjamin Franklin were two singers of the Declaration of Independence. Franklin discovered electricity by rubbing two cats backward and also declared, " A horse divided against itself cannot stand." He was a naturalist for sure. Franklin died in 1790 and is still dead. Abraham Lincoln became America's greatest Precedent. Lincoln's mother died in infancy, and he was born in a log cabin which he built with his own hands. Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves by signing the Emasculation Proclamation. On the night of April 14, 1865, Lincoln went to the theater and got shot in his seat by one of the actors in a moving picture show. They believe the assinator was John Wilkes Booth, a supposedly insane actor. This ruined Booth's career. Johann Bach wrote a great many musical compositions and had a large number of children. In between he practiced on an old spinster which he kept up in his attic. Bach died from 1750 to the present. Bach was the most famous composer in the world and so was Handel. Handel was half German, half Italian, and half English. He was very large. Bethoven wrote music even though he was deaf. He was so deaf that he wrote loud music and became the father of rock and roll. He took long walks in the forest even when everyone was calling for him. Beethoven expired in 1827 and later died for this. The nineteenth century was a time of a great many thoughts and inventions. People stopped reproducing by hand and started reproducing by machine. The invention of the steamboat caused a network of rivers to spring up. Cyrus McCormick invented the McCormick raper, which did the work of a hundred men. Louis Pasteur discovered a cure for rabbits but I dont know why. Charles Darwin was a naturalist. He wrote the Organ of the Species. It was very long. People got upset about it and had trials to see if it was really true. He sort of said God's days were not just 24 hours but without watches who knew anyhow? I dont get it. Madman Curie discovered radio. She was the first woman to do what she did. Other women have become scientists since her But they didnt get to find radios because they were already taken. Karl Marx was one of the Marx Brothers. The other three were in the movies. Karl made speeches and started revolutions. Someone in the family had to have a job, I guess. ==============================