Hello from the frozen north, Minneapolis, Minnesota Wendy, do you remember when you gave me the name of the Canadian who wrote an article on the Tolpuddle Martyrs, and was said to have been a descendant? I believe he had responded to you but did not give you info re: Loveless, but only told of his visit to Tolpuddle and his continuing research on Trade Union History. I wrote him, but never received a response. Did he ever correspond with you? I am going to try again. His name is: Edward E. C. Beaven, of Tottenham, Ontario. I will let everyone know if he lends any clues! Linda Banks

Hi all, I found these Lovelace's surfing the net in Canada, there were too many Loveless's to list, so at the bottom, I put the url, Hope this helps someone !!!! Shirley K. near Seattle LOVELACE, Amy L. Cemetery: Victoria County: Hastings Township: Thurlow Reference: Q-H1195 LOVELACE, Beatrice Cemetery: Verona County: Frontenac Township: Portland Reference: KG-45-X LOVELACE, Carol May Cemetery: Wilton County: Lennox & Addington Township: Ernestown Reference: KG-920-1 LOVELACE, Caroline A.Cemetery: Rockford UnitedCounty: NorfolkTownship: Townsend Reference: NR-88-34 LOVELACE, Dalton Ernest Cemetery: Wilton County: Lennox & Addington Township: Ernestown Reference: KG-920-1 LOVELACE, Daniel Cemetery: Rockford United County: Norfolk Township: Townsend Reference: NR-88-34 LOVELACE, Edith Cemetery: Verona County: Frontenac Township: Portland Reference: KG-45-X LOVELACE, Edith May Cemetery: Burkholder United County: Wentworth Township: Hamilton Reference: HM- LOVELACE, Ernest Frederick Cemetery: Wilton County: Lennox & Addington Township: Ernestown Reference: KG-920-1 LOVELACE, Horace A. Cemetery: Burkholder United County: Wentworth Township: Hamilton Reference: HM- LOVELACE, Hubert J. Cemetery: Victoria County: Hastings Township: Thurlow Reference: Q-H1195 LOVELACE, Jane Cemetery: Rockford United County: Norfolk Township: Townsend Reference: NR-88-34 LOVELACE, Jeremiah Cemetery: Verona County: Frontenac Township: Portland Reference: KG-45-X LOVELACE, Pearl Cemetery: Yarker County: Lennox & Addington Township: Camden East Reference: KG-3742-8 LOVELACE, Ruby Pearl Cemetery: Wilton County: Lennox & Addington Township: ErnestownReference: KG-920-1 LOVELACE, Viola Cemetery: Verona County: FrontenacTownship: Portland Reference: KG-45-X LOVELACE, Wm. Frederick Cemetery: Yarker County: Lennox & Addington Township: Camden East Reference: KG-3742-8 To search go to this address <A HREF="http://www.islandnet.com/ocfa/search.html">OCFA Database Search</A> or http://www.islandnet.com/ocfa/search.html To write and get info this page will tell you how http://www.islandnet.com/ocfa/addresses.html

-----Original Message----- From: LaCoe <[email protected]> >Why are they Tolpuddle Martyrs? Do you have some history on it >Sandra LaCoe Sandra, There is an article on the Lovelace web site with a bit of information that might help and I think a couple of links. It is: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~lovelace/tolpuddle.htm I have other articles in past newsletters; I'm trying to figure out whether it's better to scan the newsletters as images (which usually makes the text hard to read) or invest in a new program that will make it easy to transfer the format of the newsletter articles to the website. Right now, it would take eight hours to get one newsletter up to read. Not worth it! Wendy

Sandra if you type Tolpuddle Martyr into your puter there is quite a lot on their history. I notice that Donna has a good lot about them on her wedsite. Irene At 10:39 9/01/99 -0500, you wrote: >Why are they Tolpuddle Martyrs? Do you have some history on it >Sandra LaCoe >-- >[email protected] > >Visit the Ransom Township and Newton Township Genealogy page >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Cottage/8200/ > >

Why are they Tolpuddle Martyrs? Do you have some history on it Sandra LaCoe -- [email protected] Visit the Ransom Township and Newton Township Genealogy page http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Cottage/8200/

Irene, Yes, you have the right family. I checked all the children with the census for 1850 and 1860 Damscus Township,Wayne County PA. They all match. Larry Glatz has been writing me the following is his information from . "Regarding the citation, my Aunt Alice included it in a typescript of family info, which she atributed to the Matthews volume. Her quotation was: "... James Lovelass was born in Dorsetshire, England, November 21, 1816, and in 1833 came to the United States with his parents William and Mary Lovelass, the vessel on which they sailed being six weeks in crossing from Liverpool to New York. Locating in Wayne County, PA., William Lovelass built the first frame house in his locality. He died at the extreme old age of ninety-two years and his wife at the age of sixty. In their family were five children: namely Isaac, Mary (deceased), John, Robert and James." Unfortunately, I do not have the page reference, but the information appeared in the section relating to my great grandfather, Frederick Tegeler, who married James's daughter, Florence. Knowing how these mid-19th century "biographies" were put together, I assume that the actual information came (word of mouth) from Florence, or someone else in the family. As such, it should be taken with a bit of a grain of salt. The names of the children and their order of listing match up just about exactly with the general Lovelass info I have from other sources. However, just as there may have been two James Lovelasses of about the same age in the county at about the same time, why not two Isaac's as well? I have not really read the censuses in enough detail to speculate on this, and I suspect that you probably have a lot more info than I do.I understand from Larry Glatz that Mary died that is why she was not found.Mathews'History of Wayne, Pike and Monroe Counties The following is found in the: the Commemorative Biographical Record Research copied by Ann O'Hara Wayne County Historical Society: "He [Isaac Jr.] is a native of Wayne county, born December 23, 1837, near Honesdale, son of Isaac and Annie (Mills) Lovelass, who were natives of Beaminster, Dorsetshire, England, and were reared and married in the country of their birth. "On coming to this country, Isaac Lovelass and his young wife lived for a time in Philadelphia, Penn., removing thence to Wayne county and locating in Damascus township, where he had made a purchase of land. He made various improvements on the place, and they resided there until 1835, when he sold and removed to Oregon township, again investing in real estate. During his residence here he followed the trade of carpenter and boat-builder, continuing thus until 1847, in which year he sold his place in Oregon township and went to Wisconsin, where he bought land with the intention of establishing a new home in that State. While returning to Pennsylvania for his family, however, he was taken sick, and he died soon after reaching his destination, in September, 1847. He left a wife and seven children, viz.: Mary, born May 11, 1832 in Halifax, Nova Scotia, married George Sheard, of Damascus, three children being born to this union - Ellsworth A., George W. and Mary Alice (Mrs. Joseph Burcher, of Damascus); Mr. and Mrs. Sheard live on his farm and he is engaged in shoemaking. John, born November 23, 1833, in Philadelphia, married for his first wife Miss Charlotte Gavitt, of Wayne county, who died leaving a large family, and he subsequently wedded Mrs. Murrilla Matthews, of Lebanon, by whom he has no children; they reside in Damascus. Emily, born July 10, 1836, in Damascus, is the wife of David Orr, of Damascus, and they live on a farm in that township; they have had two children - William D., who is married, and Eliza J., Mrs. A. E. Sisson, of Wayne county. Abigail, born December 29, 1840, in Oregon, is married to Simeon Skinner, of Damascus, and has one son, Wellington. Catherine, born March 4, 1845, in Oregon, became the wife of H. M. Stanton, of Damascus, and they now live at Long Branch, N. J., where he follows contracting and building; they have two daughters - Harriet and Florence, both at home. Annie, born April 15, 1847, on the old homestead, is the widow of Mr. Ayers, of Brooklyn, and has one daughter, Ethel." It would appear from the above that my hunch was correct, and that Issac and "Annie" came from England to Halifax, thence to Philadelphia, thence to Damascus township, thence to Oregon township, and finally almost made it to Wisconsin, though only Isaac ever actually went there. It's likely that you've not had much luck in Nova Scotia because they only stayed long enough to have their first baby there, but as I noted earlier, there should be ship's records for that era. Also related is Larry Glatz at [email protected] My address is Sandra LaCoe 2471 Cherry Hill RD. Clarks Summit, PA 18411 USA about 2 hours from the Lovelass Cemeteries and homeland along the Delaware River Wayne County PA USA Sandra LaCoe -- [email protected]

No Irene I think its a calling or a gift. Perhaps a halo of the month award or something like that. I think I'm still in shock. I thought I might have a chance to have my ancestors be related to the Martyrs but thought it might be just a pipe dream. Thanks once again. Donna King -----Original Message----- From: Irene Howgate <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, January 07, 1999 10:38 PM Subject: [TOLPUDDLE-L] Donna's Tolpuddle connection. >Thank you for the thank you Donna, that was very nice off you. >Donna as you know I have been working hard on you line and I have found >your connection to the Tolpuddle Martyrs. >Are your ready >William Loveless (father of Edward) is the son of John Loveless and Judith >Hibbs and John Loveless is the Uncle of George and James Loveless, making >him Thomas Loveless's brother. >As you will see William was the only surviving child of John and Judith so >Donna you are very lucky to be here >:-) >here is what I have > > >Loveless John Bapt 7/11/1751 > >Loveless John Mar 5/11/1773 >Judith Hibbs Affpuddle (near Tolpuddle) > >CHILDREN OF JOHN AND JUDITH > >William Bapt 17/7/1774 >William Death 23/5/1832 Tolpuddle > >John Bapt 9/3/1777 >John Death 6/7/1779 > >Ann Bapt 20/9/1778 > >John Bapt 24/12/1780 >John Death 13/4/1781 > >John Bapt 15/6/1783 >John Death 17/8/1783 > > >If anyone else wants to chuck their Lovelesses at me I will see if I have >anything on them for you. >I connected two tree's to the Tolpuddle's this week. >I think I have an obsession. >Irene > > > > > > > >At 18:40 7/01/99 -0500, you wrote: >>Hello everyone. Here is my line: >> >>Edward Loveless born 1796 in Tolpuddle, Dorset, England. Parents' names >>William Loveless and Jane Hoare. Edward married Ann Bartlett, daughter of >>William and Elizabeth Bartlett and they had the following children: >> >>Elizabeth born 1829, died 1879 >>William b 1831, died 1907 >>Jane b 1834 >>Martha b 1837 >>Robert b 1840 >>Sarah b 1843 >>Mary b >>Rosetta b 1850 >>Charles b 1855, died 1870 >> >>William Loveless married Ellen Cornish in 1851 and they had the following >>children: >> >>John b 1852 >>Thomas b 1854 >>Betsy b 1855 >>Sidney b 1857 >>walter b 1859 >>Frank b 1861 >>Robert b 1863 >>Martha b 1865 >>George b 1866, died 1946 >>Hiram b 1868, died 1946 >>Fred b 1870 >>Charles b 1871 >>Kate b 1873 >>Lewis b 1874 >> >>Kate Loveless married Henry John White of Athelhampton, Dorset in 1892 in >>the Parish Church in the Parish of Tolpuddle, Dorset and they had the >>following children: >> >>Annie White b 1894, Puddletown, Dorset, Eng >> >>Annie White married in Piddleton (Puddletown), Dorset in 1914, Albert of >>Nash, born 1888, Droxford, HAM, Eng. Parents' names William NASH and >>Harriet SHEPPARD. >> >>Annie White and Albert Nash had eight children and they emigrated to >>Calgary, Alberta, Canada in 1925. >> >>The above information was received with great appreciation from Irene >>Howgate. Thanks Irene. >> >>Looking to share information on the Loveless line >> >>Donna King >>[email protected] >> >>http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Park/3288 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >

Hello Sandra Third time lucky, I will give this another go I have been trying to get this to you, I'll get it right one day. I posted this to cyberspace the other day. >Hello Sandra >I found this info about you William Lovelass. >Lovelass William >Mar 19/1/1808 Sarah Woolley Bridport Dorset >CHILDREN- >In all these christenings it gives the parents as William Loveless and >Sarah Wooley. > >Isaac Chris 1/3/1809 >New Meeting Barrack St Independent. Bridport > >Isaac Mar 16/1/1831 Ann Mills Beaminster > >John Chris 2/12/1812 >New Meeting Barrack St Independent. Bridport > >Mary Chris 24/4/1813 >New Meeting Barrack St Independent. Bridport > >Robert Chris 29/03/1815 >New Meeting Barrack St Independent. Bridport > >James Chris 21/2/1817 >New Meeting Barrack St Independent. Bridport > >Hope this helps you in your search >Kind regards >Irene Howgate > > >

Irene asked a couple of questions about posts that I had done in the past. I thought I'd answer them here so you all could comment. Irene wrote: >I was poking my nose around the Loveless archives and came across the part >about your magazine ( Loveless Legacy), in Volume 2 Sept/Oct 97 you mention >Robert Loveless 1810 England, can you tell me what you know off him, I'd >like to see if he matches my info for Robert sibling of George and James. I >know that Robert migrated to Canada also. I will send you what I put >together on him. This was from a pedigree compiled by C. T. M. Loveless of Bromley, England, and sent to me via Alton Loveless. It's about 15 or 20 years old so I don't know if we can follow-up at all. There are more generations if anyone wants them. 1 Robert Loveless b: abt 1810 .... 2 Charles Loveless b: Abt. 1835 ........ +Eliza Smith m: November 09, 1856 in Wimbledon, England ........... 3 Charles Smith Loveless b: July 24, 1857 in Lamberth, England d: 1940 in Poole, Dorset, England ............... +Henrietta Sarah Hodsdon m: June 15, 1879 in Portsmouth, England .................. 4 Charles William Albert Loveless b: March 24, 1880 in Wimbledon, England d: January 29, 1957 in Poole, Dorset, England ...................... +Ella Marshall m: June 12, 1906 .................. 4 Arthur Tom Loveless b: February 06, 1882 in Wimbledon, England d: November 30, 1958 in Byfleet, England ...................... +Florence Spong m: December 26, 1911 .................. 4 Walter Edward Loveless b: September 20, 1886 in Wimbledon, England d: May 06, 1975 in Southampton, England ...................... +Mabel Whitton m: April 17, 1911 .................. *2nd Wife of Walter Edward Loveless: ...................... +Dora Gange m: January 08, 1929 .................. 4 Reginald Loveless b: December 06, 1895 in Frimley, England d: January 21, 1975 in Southampton, England ...................... +Violet Noke m: July 24, 1920 ........... 3 Thomas Loveless b: May 13, 1859 .................. 4 Bernard Loveless b: Abt. 1880 ........... 3 Albert Loveless b: July 03, 1863 .................. 4 Percy Loveless b: Abt. 1890 Irene: >I would also be interested in the Charles Loveless 1859 London England that >you mention in the same issue. >As you now my Robert and Elizabeth's children were all born in London. This is the line sent by Peter Loveless; I believe I sent this to you before. I asked him to join us here but I don't think he has. I've corresponded with two or three of his children who sent me articles on the Martyrs. 1 Charles Loveless b: Abt. 1859 in prob. London, England d: Abt. 1948 .... 2 Charles Harold Loveless b: 1865-1890 ........ +Ethel Burchfield ........... 3 Harold Le Roy Loveless b: March 21, 1908 ........... 3 Charles Arthur Loveless b: May 13, 1910 .... 2 Eva Loveless b: 1865-1900 .... 2 Ethel Loveless b: 1865-1900 .... 2 Edward William Loveless b: March 25, 1909 in London, England d: Abt. 1981 in prob. Canada ........ +Florence Noreen Cooper m: June 05, 1937 in Hong Kong ........... 3 Peter Alan Loveless b: May 02, 1938 in Hong Kong d: in living in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada ............... +Lenore Ann Murphey b: April 16, 1939 in Sydney, Australia .................. 4 Ian Paul Loveless b: April 19, 1964 in Sydney, Australia d: in living in Brantford, Ontario, Canada ...................... +Susan Edwards .................. 4 Diana Wendy Loveless b: October 13, 1965 in Sydney, Australia d: in living in Guelph, Ontario, Canada ...................... +John Cowling .................. 4 David Peter Loveless b: July 10, 1968 in Grimsby, Ontario, Canada .................. 4 Michael James Edward Loveless b: July 23, 1970 in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada d: in living in Sydney, Australia ...................... +Carolyna North .................. 4 Adrienne Susan Loveless b: November 01, 1971 in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada ...................... +David Ziemer ........... 3 Wendy Patricia Ann Loveless b: September 10, 1939 in Shanghai, China d: in living in Australia ............... +Male Wakeman .................. 4 Gaye Wakeman .................. 4 Jayne Wakeman ........... *2nd Husband of Wendy Patricia Ann Loveless: ............... +Male Spiteri .................. 4 Lisa Spiteri More in a bit, Wendy

Thank you for the thank you Donna, that was very nice off you. Donna as you know I have been working hard on you line and I have found your connection to the Tolpuddle Martyrs. Are your ready William Loveless (father of Edward) is the son of John Loveless and Judith Hibbs and John Loveless is the Uncle of George and James Loveless, making him Thomas Loveless's brother. As you will see William was the only surviving child of John and Judith so Donna you are very lucky to be here :-) here is what I have Loveless John Bapt 7/11/1751 Loveless John Mar 5/11/1773 Judith Hibbs Affpuddle (near Tolpuddle) CHILDREN OF JOHN AND JUDITH William Bapt 17/7/1774 William Death 23/5/1832 Tolpuddle John Bapt 9/3/1777 John Death 6/7/1779 Ann Bapt 20/9/1778 John Bapt 24/12/1780 John Death 13/4/1781 John Bapt 15/6/1783 John Death 17/8/1783 If anyone else wants to chuck their Lovelesses at me I will see if I have anything on them for you. I connected two tree's to the Tolpuddle's this week. I think I have an obsession. Irene At 18:40 7/01/99 -0500, you wrote: >Hello everyone. Here is my line: > >Edward Loveless born 1796 in Tolpuddle, Dorset, England. Parents' names >William Loveless and Jane Hoare. Edward married Ann Bartlett, daughter of >William and Elizabeth Bartlett and they had the following children: > >Elizabeth born 1829, died 1879 >William b 1831, died 1907 >Jane b 1834 >Martha b 1837 >Robert b 1840 >Sarah b 1843 >Mary b >Rosetta b 1850 >Charles b 1855, died 1870 > >William Loveless married Ellen Cornish in 1851 and they had the following >children: > >John b 1852 >Thomas b 1854 >Betsy b 1855 >Sidney b 1857 >walter b 1859 >Frank b 1861 >Robert b 1863 >Martha b 1865 >George b 1866, died 1946 >Hiram b 1868, died 1946 >Fred b 1870 >Charles b 1871 >Kate b 1873 >Lewis b 1874 > >Kate Loveless married Henry John White of Athelhampton, Dorset in 1892 in >the Parish Church in the Parish of Tolpuddle, Dorset and they had the >following children: > >Annie White b 1894, Puddletown, Dorset, Eng > >Annie White married in Piddleton (Puddletown), Dorset in 1914, Albert of >Nash, born 1888, Droxford, HAM, Eng. Parents' names William NASH and >Harriet SHEPPARD. > >Annie White and Albert Nash had eight children and they emigrated to >Calgary, Alberta, Canada in 1925. > >The above information was received with great appreciation from Irene >Howgate. Thanks Irene. > >Looking to share information on the Loveless line > >Donna King >[email protected] > >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Park/3288 > > > > > > >

Hello everyone. Here is my line: Edward Loveless born 1796 in Tolpuddle, Dorset, England. Parents' names William Loveless and Jane Hoare. Edward married Ann Bartlett, daughter of William and Elizabeth Bartlett and they had the following children: Elizabeth born 1829, died 1879 William b 1831, died 1907 Jane b 1834 Martha b 1837 Robert b 1840 Sarah b 1843 Mary b Rosetta b 1850 Charles b 1855, died 1870 William Loveless married Ellen Cornish in 1851 and they had the following children: John b 1852 Thomas b 1854 Betsy b 1855 Sidney b 1857 walter b 1859 Frank b 1861 Robert b 1863 Martha b 1865 George b 1866, died 1946 Hiram b 1868, died 1946 Fred b 1870 Charles b 1871 Kate b 1873 Lewis b 1874 Kate Loveless married Henry John White of Athelhampton, Dorset in 1892 in the Parish Church in the Parish of Tolpuddle, Dorset and they had the following children: Annie White b 1894, Puddletown, Dorset, Eng Annie White married in Piddleton (Puddletown), Dorset in 1914, Albert of Nash, born 1888, Droxford, HAM, Eng. Parents' names William NASH and Harriet SHEPPARD. Annie White and Albert Nash had eight children and they emigrated to Calgary, Alberta, Canada in 1925. The above information was received with great appreciation from Irene Howgate. Thanks Irene. Looking to share information on the Loveless line Donna King [email protected] http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Park/3288

Thanks Wendy for that bit of humour. I enjoy watching a program called The Royal Canadian Air Farce as it picks fun at us Canadians and our Governments. Donna King shivering and buried in snow in Barrie, Ontario, Canada -----Original Message----- From: Wendy L. Miller <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, January 07, 1999 10:15 AM Subject: [TOLPUDDLE-L] Canadians >Until you all start jumping in and posting your research, here's a little >humor (humour?). . . .. > >SIGNS YOU ARE A CANADIAN > >1. You stand in "line-ups" at the movie, not lines. >2. You're not offended by the term, "Homo Milk" >3. You understand the phrase, "Could you please pass me a serviette,I just > spilled my poutine" >4. You eat chocolate bars instead of candy bars. >5. You drink pop, not soda. >6. You know what it means to be on pogey. >7. You know that a mickey and 2-4's mean "Party at the camp, eh!!" >8. You don't hold your hand on your breast when you sing the national > anthem. >9. You can drink legally while still a 'teen. >10. You know that francophones, anglophones and allophones are not > electronic devices. >11. You talk about the weather with strangers and friends alike. >12. You don't know or care about the fuss with Cuba, it's just a cheap > place to travel to and has good cigars. >13. When there is a social problem, you turn to your > government to fix it instead of telling them to stay out of it. >14. You're not sure if the leader of our nation has EVER had sex and don't > want to know if he has! >15. You get milk in bags as well as cartons and plastic jugs. >16. Pike is a type of fish, not some part of a highway. >17. You drive on a highway, not a freeway. >18. You sit on a couch not a chesterfield - that is some small town in > Quebec! >19. You know what a Robertson screwdriver is. >20. You have Canadian Tire money in your kitchen drawers. >21. You know that Thrills are something to chew and "taste like soap". >22. You know that Mounties "don't always look like that" >23. You read rather than scanned this list. > >

Hi folks, Just so you know, the way to post to this list is to send an e-mail to [email protected] Several of you have sent me personal e-mails about various lines and have asked questions; it's very difficult for me to answer all the e-mails and will be much more productive with discussions if you post these questions through the list so that others have a shot at contributing. My data on this group of Lovelesses and Lovelaces is very limited. Please don't sit back and wait; post your data so folks can help! There are some new subscribers that I haven't corresponded with in the past; I hope you all will post your information even if you think others have that data. This is an all new place to post and archive; the more you put up here in the way of questions and information, the more feedback you'll get. Since we're relatively small, I'll post the e-mail addresses of all the subscribers if you all agree that's OK. If anyone does _not_ want others to know they are here, please e-mail me privately within the next 48 hours. Thanks! Wendy Loveless Miller [email protected] or [email protected] Publisher of Lovelace Legacy Lovelxxx web page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~lovelace

I saw a post on a list from an Australian researcher that had a Lovelace listing and queried about the information. Below is her response. She sent the scanned photo, too; I'll get it up on the website later today (I hope) and let you know the address. W. Hi Wendy, No, not a LOVELACE researcher. The posting was part of a few listing names which appeared in a book "The All-Australia Memorial, History, Heroes and Helpers". The compilers and publishers were British-Australasian Publishing Service. The book was published as a Memorial to those who lost their lives in WW1. The names appear in Part 2, a section titled "Australia's Fighting Families." Of course, not all the personal who lost their lives are entered. There are about a 1,000 names. They apparently were to publish extra booklets later and were asking for people to make submissions. The book came out about 1920. The entry for James LOVELACE reads: LOVELACE, James L., A.B., T.B.D. "Torrens" [late "Warrego" and "Huon"] son of Mr and Mrs H.E. Lovelace, Rozelle, born Rozelle, July 31, 1900; educated Rozelle;enlisted in Navy June 1914; embarked October 11, 1915. War Service: High Seas. As the photograph of James is with H. Slattery I have included his details as well. SLATTERY, Henry, 1st Class Stoker, H.M.A.S. "Sydney" [late "Brisbane"]; son of Mr R.J. and Mrs M.J. Slattery, Victoria; born Carlton [Vic] March 26, 1893; educated Victoria; engineer; enlisted 1914, embarked Aug. 1914. War Service: High Seas, Port Said, Constantinople, Egypt, Mediterranean and North Seas; also three years prior to outbreak of War. Rozelle is a suburb of Sydney and Carlton is a suburb of Melbourne. There is nothing to indicate who is who in the photograph but James's name comes before Henry's. Regards, Marilyn QLD, Australia

Until you all start jumping in and posting your research, here's a little humor (humour?). . . .. SIGNS YOU ARE A CANADIAN 1. You stand in "line-ups" at the movie, not lines. 2. You're not offended by the term, "Homo Milk" 3. You understand the phrase, "Could you please pass me a serviette,I just spilled my poutine" 4. You eat chocolate bars instead of candy bars. 5. You drink pop, not soda. 6. You know what it means to be on pogey. 7. You know that a mickey and 2-4's mean "Party at the camp, eh!!" 8. You don't hold your hand on your breast when you sing the national anthem. 9. You can drink legally while still a 'teen. 10. You know that francophones, anglophones and allophones are not electronic devices. 11. You talk about the weather with strangers and friends alike. 12. You don't know or care about the fuss with Cuba, it's just a cheap place to travel to and has good cigars. 13. When there is a social problem, you turn to your government to fix it instead of telling them to stay out of it. 14. You're not sure if the leader of our nation has EVER had sex and don't want to know if he has! 15. You get milk in bags as well as cartons and plastic jugs. 16. Pike is a type of fish, not some part of a highway. 17. You drive on a highway, not a freeway. 18. You sit on a couch not a chesterfield - that is some small town in Quebec! 19. You know what a Robertson screwdriver is. 20. You have Canadian Tire money in your kitchen drawers. 21. You know that Thrills are something to chew and "taste like soap". 22. You know that Mounties "don't always look like that" 23. You read rather than scanned this list.

PEERING INTO THE FUTURE by Myra Vanderpool Gormley, CG, Co-editor, RootsWeb Review Recently Mattel, the toy maker (Hot Wheels, Ken and Barbie), announced it would buy The Learning Company, Inc. Earlier in 1998, The Learning Company purchased Mindscape (producer of Family Tree Creator) and Broderbund (producer of Family Tree Maker), and then in December it acquired Palladium Interactive (producer of Ultimate Family Tree). What does this mean to genealogists? It appears Mattel is going to wind up with all of the genealogy toys, so to speak -- owning the major popular genealogy software programs and the companies that produce most of the genealogy CDs. Additionally, the "Wall Street Journal" in its December 17, 1998, issue announced that CMG Information Services, Inc., will invest $10 million in Ancestry for a 30 percent stake in that company. CMG is betting that genealogy is about to make a big breakthrough on the Web. However, the CMG investors are not talking about helping you find that long-lost ancestor when they refer to a "breakthrough." They mean making money. Where is all this going in 1999? I have as much trouble peering into the future as I do digging up the past, but it appears to me that the costs of computer genealogy (software and CDs) are likely to increase. Moreover, the price of admission to many genealogy sources on the Web is probably going to go up. Many surfers are already paying $5 to $10 per month ($60-$120 annually) to have access to various sources or finding aids. Many onliners are discovering their "free" Web space or e-mail account comes with hidden prices -- loaded with ads and their names and e-mail addresses sold to cyber-merchants. RootsWeb is one of the "Top 25" or so sites on the Internet and continues to swim against the tide by providing free access to huge amounts of genealogical data. Yet currently less than three percent of its users are providing financial support. If RootsWeb users contributed only $2-$3 per month ($24 to $36 annually) there would be adequate financing to maintain and build an incredible genealogical resource. If they don't, the future of Internet genealogy looks expensive. * * * * * DONATIONS TO HELP SUPPORT ROOTSWEB ARE GREATLY APPRECIATED. For details about support levels/benefits and payment options, please visit: <http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html> or send e-mail to: <[email protected]>. RootsWeb's address is: RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative, P.O. Box 6798, Frazier Park, CA 93222-6798. (Please include your e-mail address on all correspondence and checks.)

Hello Sandra I found this info about you William Lovelass. Lovelass William Mar 19/1/1808 Sarah Woolley Bridport Dorset CHILDREN- In all these christenings it gives the parents as William Loveless and Sarah Wooley. Isaac Chris 1/3/1809 New Meeting Barrack St Independent. Bridport Isaac Mar 16/1/1831 Ann Mills Beaminster John Chris 2/12/1812 New Meeting Barrack St Independent. Bridport Mary Chris 24/4/1813 New Meeting Barrack St Independent. Bridport Robert Chris 29/03/1815 New Meeting Barrack St Independent. Bridport James Chris 21/2/1817 New Meeting Barrack St Independent. Bridport Hope this helps you in your search Kind regards Irene Howgate

FYI, this is free births, marriages, and deaths for England and Wales. I didn't do a search for Lovelxxx yet; I thought some of you with other lines might want to search for yours there, too. You can also contribute! http://test.rootsweb.com/FreeBMD/ W. [email protected] Publisher of Lovelace Legacy newsletter Lovelxxx web page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~lovelace Earliest Lovelxxx ancestor: Stephen H. Loveless born MD 1794/96 died Coshocton Cty., OH

Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:55:54 CDTFrom: "John Hebley" <[email protected]> To: [email protected]: <[email protected]> Subject: HEBERLEY and HEBLEY Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I have traced my ancestors back to Weymouth around 1800 but am starting to draw blanks. According to the memoirs of James Heberley (b 1809) his father, John, was captured by a Privateer in the English Channel in the year 1790. He was originally from Wurrtemberg and was presumably trying to emigrate to either England or the USA. The other clue that James gives is that his father was taken prisoner by his "Grandfather" which is a little strange. John Heberley was married to Elizabeth CURTIS in 1809 in Wyke Regis. Elizabeth was the daughter of James CURTIS and Ann SMITH - possibly from the Isle of Wight. The only other name that I have not yet found a positive connection with is LOVELACE, who may be the owner or master of the privateer. Incidentally, I am related to Captain Joseph Hebley who used to live on Cove Street, and who was one of the oldest sea captains who still remembered working the old sailing ships. Any help with the above would be appreciated. Thanks John Hebley [email protected] John Hebley Voice: (972) 866-8879 Dallas, TX, USA Fax: (972) 866-8629w "You can dream, create, design and build the most wonderful place in the world, but it requires people to make the dream a reality." -Walt Disney

I've been searching some of the English and Canadian Rootsweb lists for any posts on Lovelace and Loveless. The Kent-Eng list is fairly new; it had less than 100 posts in 1998. Here is the only Lovelace post; anyone familiar with the Lovelace and Moorcraft connection? Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:12:32 -0000 From: "Peter Norman" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Subject: Surname InterestsContent-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Having just subscribed to this list my surname interests are:- MOORCRAFT (also spelt MORECRAFT, MOORECRAFT, MOORCROFT). Any period, C Currently have a brick wall ca 1770 when William Moorcraft (1742-1809) and Lovelace Moorcraft (1751-1838) appear in Loose near Maidstone. SEERS (1750-1850) East Farleigh area BATCHELOR (1790-1850) Chart Sutton area ALCHIN (1780-1850) Linton area POSTER/PORTER (1780-1830) Linton area CROWTHER (1850-1900) Maidstone area WHITE (1850s date) Deal area- descendants of Robert John White especially his grandson Sidney John born 1894 SUSANS (1770-1810) Loose area Peter Norman