Hello all. Please excuse my absence from the list but I have had computer problems. I tried to send an email to the list from my hotmail address but it looks like it didn't get through. Please check all your systems for the virus happy99.exe. This virus comes as an attachment to someone's email. The person that is sending the email doesn't realize that it is there. You will not become affected unless you open this attachment, which looks very pretty as it is fireworks. Once this virus has affected your system it will begin to overload your system etc. This virus cannot be cleaned but the files affected must be deleted. I had to reformat my C drive and then reload all my programs etc. I have since purchased a virus scanner especially for the internet. I recommend McAfee which offers total protection for your computer. Once loaded you can download updated DAT files from http://www.mcafee.com to keep your virus scanner current. I would like to say thank you to all my friends on the Tolpuddle list who were concerned that I did not post anything to the list last week. Thanks for your concern. The McAfee site mentioned above also has a Mcafee clinic that can help you check your computer for Y2K and your operating systems are working properly. Anyways, Happy Victoria Day to those of you that celebrate it. In Canada this is the first long weekend of the summer. Take care all and will be talking Loveless business again soon. I have received the new 1881 CD set from LDS and will be starting searches for Loveless and Lovelace for England, Scotland, Wales etc. Contact me if you wish any specific searches done. Donna King List Manager Tolpuddle List oldest Loveless ancestor is John Loveless born circa 1731 Tolpuddle, Dorset, england

David this is what I have on John Loveless. CONVICT GANGS IN 1821. A Preliminary Analysis of an 1821 Victualling List. NAME HOW EMPLOYED RATION ===================================================== John Loveless Boatman 1½ ===================================================== John was one of 82 boatmen in the colony in 1821. He may have had some experience in this type of work before sentencing. The only other John I have entering Australia is LOVELACE, John - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 7 years Arrived in second fleet I am trying to find out if they are one in the same. Irene At 21:58 20/05/99 +0100, you wrote: >Hi Irene thanks for the question I came across his name by accident whilst >doing a geneal search for the Loveless name on a list victualling list put >out by an OZ research establishment and he didn't fit with any bits of tthe >Loeles clan i'd heard of. so my interest is curiosity! David >-----Original Message----- >From: Irene Howgate <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >Date: 19 May 1999 10:10 >Subject: Re: [TOLPUDDLE-L] Loveless Convicts? > > >>Hi David >>John Loveless 1821 of Sydney Australia is known to me David. He's on my >>home turf. >>Can I be cheeky and ask what your interest is in him? >>Sorry for butting in Donna. >>Irene >> >> >> >>At 14:25 18/05/99 +0100, you wrote: >>>Hi Donna. >>> >>>I have just come across a reference to a John Loveless on Sidney >(Australia) >>>victualling list of 1821 he may have been a labourer or may have been a >>>convict. Is he known to anybody. >>> >>>David >>> >>> >>> >> >> > >

Hi Irene thanks for the question I came across his name by accident whilst doing a geneal search for the Loveless name on a list victualling list put out by an OZ research establishment and he didn't fit with any bits of tthe Loeles clan i'd heard of. so my interest is curiosity! David -----Original Message----- From: Irene Howgate <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: 19 May 1999 10:10 Subject: Re: [TOLPUDDLE-L] Loveless Convicts? >Hi David >John Loveless 1821 of Sydney Australia is known to me David. He's on my >home turf. >Can I be cheeky and ask what your interest is in him? >Sorry for butting in Donna. >Irene > > > >At 14:25 18/05/99 +0100, you wrote: >>Hi Donna. >> >>I have just come across a reference to a John Loveless on Sidney (Australia) >>victualling list of 1821 he may have been a labourer or may have been a >>convict. Is he known to anybody. >> >>David >> >> >> > >

Hi Irene thanks for the question I came across his name by accident whilst doing a geneal search for the Loveless name on a list victualling list put out by an OZ research establishment and he didn't fit with any bits of tthe Loeles clan i'd heard of. so my interest is curiosity! David -----Original Message----- From: Irene Howgate <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: 19 May 1999 10:10 Subject: Re: [TOLPUDDLE-L] Loveless Convicts? >Hi David >John Loveless 1821 of Sydney Australia is known to me David. He's on my >home turf. >Can I be cheeky and ask what your interest is in him? >Sorry for butting in Donna. >Irene > > > >At 14:25 18/05/99 +0100, you wrote: >>Hi Donna. >> >>I have just come across a reference to a John Loveless on Sidney (Australia) >>victualling list of 1821 he may have been a labourer or may have been a >>convict. Is he known to anybody. >> >>David >> >> >> > >

Hi David John Loveless 1821 of Sydney Australia is known to me David. He's on my home turf. Can I be cheeky and ask what your interest is in him? Sorry for butting in Donna. Irene At 14:25 18/05/99 +0100, you wrote: >Hi Donna. > >I have just come across a reference to a John Loveless on Sidney (Australia) >victualling list of 1821 he may have been a labourer or may have been a >convict. Is he known to anybody. > >David > > >

Hi Donna. I have just come across a reference to a John Loveless on Sidney (Australia) victualling list of 1821 he may have been a labourer or may have been a convict. Is he known to anybody. David

Hi Donna, just to let you know that all is well!! Both Irene and I are happy99 free. David - I hope you are too! P.S. There are NO attachments with this email.

Hi David William Algar Loveless is in the St Catherine's house register as being born in Dec qtr 1838 in Dover Kent, Vol 5 Pge 109. There seems to have been two sons name William Algar and the first has died. Also in the register I found a death for William Lovelass Dec qtr 1842 at Depwade. Vol 13 Page 19. 1851 census for Norfolk. Diss Depwade, Norfolk 1851. Robert head married 41 male Journeyman Cabinet Maker. born Bressingham NFK. Jane wife married 42 female born Wortham SUF Robert son 14 male Apprentice born Dover Kent Jane daughter 7 female Scholar born Diss NFK John son 9 male Scholar born Diss NFK Louis daughter 5 female Scholar born Diss NFK William son 3 male born Diss NFK Harriet niece 12 female Scholar born Pulham NFK. The address is Parsons Entry. Census place: Diss Depwade, Norfolk. PRO Ref HO/107?1821 Folio: 407 Page: 28 FHL Film 0207474. On the 1988 IGI for Kent there is the marriage of Robert Loveless to Jane Alger on 17 Aug 1834 at Dover St Mary the Virgin. Right under it is the christening of Robert Alger Loveless s/o Robert Loveless and Jane Alger Christened 12 Feb 1837 at Dover Stargate Street Formerly in St Marys Queen Elizabeth Square. There is an interesting entry in the 1851 census for Norfolk of a William Loveless head married 75 male Parish Clerk. This fellow in too old for your William born 1848 but it could be his grandfather if your family story is correct. Anyway this is the entry William head mar 75 male Parish Clerk born Bressingham NFK Maria wife mar 60 female born Stuston SUF Emily daughter Unmarried female 20 born Bressinghan NFK William grandson 6 months male born Kenninghall NFK. Address- Algate Way, Guiltcross. Census Place: Blessingham Guiltcross, Norfolk. PRO Ref: HO/107/1822 Folio:186 Page 26 FHL Film :0207476. Now at the same address, same file numbers as William age 75 is John head 48 male Blacksmith Master Employ 1 man. Born Bressingham NFK. Phoebe wife mar 40 female born Barham NRK. William son 18 male Blacksmith Journeyman born Bressingham NFK. Peter son 3 male born Bressingham NFK. Luke son 10 mths male born Bressingham NFK. Maria daughter 7 female born Bressingham NFK. I will send this lot off and continue with the 1881 census where members of teh family show up again, if you don't get it tonight or today depending on where you are David it means I piked out and fell asleep on my keyboard. Its 12.30am here in Aussie land and I badly need shut eye. I will do a little more tonight and see how I go. Anything you can tell me about your family will help me, I had the wrong wife for your William born 1848 so need to have another hunt. Anyway goodnight all Night All! Irene Oh P.S. Where are you David? If you live in Canada it will be interesting. At 14:18 10/05/99 +0100, you wrote: >Hi Irene thanks for your information I am not that far on in my research >yet! We found the information about William Alger Loveless in his obituary >in the Annual Monitor of the Religious Society of Friends for 1899 He >Married Janet Pleasance Brame. As for his Father Robert Loveless he is >mentioned in William's obituary as having a wife called Jane. that really >is the limit of my knowledge if you can point me in the direction of the >relevant census and other records that would be very helpful. > >David > >

Hi Irene thanks for your information I am not that far on in my research yet! We found the information about William Alger Loveless in his obituary in the Annual Monitor of the Religious Society of Friends for 1899 He Married Janet Pleasance Brame. As for his Father Robert Loveless he is mentioned in William's obituary as having a wife called Jane. that really is the limit of my knowledge if you can point me in the direction of the relevant census and other records that would be very helpful. David

Just looking at Irene's email to Mark/David - hi Irene - you say that it's not known that George and James father Thomas came from Tolpuddle? I have Thomas and his 5 siblings as all being baptised and buried in Tolpuddle, also his parents John and Thomasina as being baptised in Tolpuddle - this from a source in Dorset. A question also about one gap I have that Donna or irene may be able to fill - Mary Loveless bap. 8.4.1753 (sister to Thomas) does anyone have her death date? David do you have any Loveless's from Kent in the 1800s? 'sall for now, CArol

Hi David Sorry I called you Mark, why? beats me, I apologize. My ggg grandfather was Robert William Loveless and he was married in St Giles Cripplegate London in 1830. I also hoped that my Robert was Robert the relative mentioned in books about the Tolpuddle Martyrs, but I doubt it. My Robert was born in Bristol Sommerset around 1791. My Robert came to Australia around 1850. David who did you William B 1848 marry? Is the William off Middlesex the Script Reader, wife Margaret, is this your William? >From your email I presume you have done a lot of research so what I have found on in the 1851 & 1881 census you probably already have. Holla if you haven't. They also show up on the IGI. William's father Robert was born around 1810 in Bressingham, Norfolk am I correct? George and James's brother Robert went to Canada and was (I think) unmarried. We have always presumed that George and James's parents were also from Tolpuddle but I have no proof that they were. The first born child John was born in Tolpuddle. If we go back a generation to George and James's dad Thomas, he only had one surviving brother John who is Donna's gggg? grandpappy. Hi Donna! Always remember I could be wrong, you know how easy it is to miss a person, there may be more that we have not found YET and remember I am researching from Australia so it is little difficult to check on things myself. Anyway if you want to know anything or I can help in any way, I'm not far away just over the sea. I will look forward to hearing from you. Bye Irene Howgate nee Loveless of OZ P.S. Remember folks if you need a Loveless/Lovelace lookup, I have the 1851 census for Tolpuddle and Norfolk. The 1881 census for all the counties of England and copies of the IGI 1988 & 1998(thanks to Donna for 1998) for England. I also have lots of strays sent by lovely friendly English folk who know I collect them. At 08:45 10/05/99 +0100, you wrote: >Hi I hope that this is now in the correct format for the Roots web server! > >Hello > >this is my first try at using the forum. Can anyone help? I have a family >line going back via my maternal grandmother to the Loveless family of >Norfolk, UK This family seems to have come from Diss and North Walsham. the >earliest member that we have identified so far is William Alger Loveless >born 1848 died 14 October 1897. He was born of devout Wesleyan parents his >father was Robert Loveless (so far I have no dates) Robert is described as >being an acceptable preacher. William worked initially as a solicitors >clerk but later became a full time quaker minister. There is a a story in >my family that my great Uncle also William Loveless researched the family >history and found a link with the Loveless family of Tolpuddle, >unfortunately his records have been lost. It is known that the Lovelesses >of Tolpuddle were Wesleyans and went on to set up the Church in London >Ontario if my memory is right. Other research suggests that Primitive >Methodism was more usually the spiritual home of farm labourers. I wonder >if this earlier Robert Loveless might just have been the Robert Loveless in >London that was contacted by George Loveless one of the 'Martyrs'. > >Best wishes >David Allen > > >

Hi Gang Yeah I'm watching Carol. I have a million questions for you Mark and have been poking through my records and gee they are all there. I hope you are still around. Where in the world are you Mark? Now Carol have a close look at Mark's Loveless's because the first couple were born in Kent. I have to close my shop, feed the tribe and I will be back, gee I hope there is some still around to talk too. Back later Irene

Hi David, interesting Loveless line - I am thinking our friend Irene, the overworked, may have a clue or two but I will not presume. Do you have the Tolpuddle Martyrs book? It has references to Robert Loveless in London and I will have a look through. I had understood that the Martyrs came from Methodist stock and were in fact instrumental in furthering the Methodist cause in England in the 19th. century, being a relatively new 'church'. Anyway, happy hunting and I will see if I can find out anything. CArol Park nee Loveless. -----Original Message----- From: David Allen <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Monday, May 10, 1999 5:22 PM Subject: [TOLPUDDLE-L] Loveless in Norfolk UK >Hi I hope that this is now in the correct format for the Roots web server! > >Hello > >this is my first try at using the forum. Can anyone help? I have a family >line going back via my maternal grandmother to the Loveless family of >Norfolk, UK This family seems to have come from Diss and North Walsham. the >earliest member that we have identified so far is William Alger Loveless >born 1848 died 14 October 1897. He was born of devout Wesleyan parents his >father was Robert Loveless (so far I have no dates) Robert is described as >being an acceptable preacher. William worked initially as a solicitors >clerk but later became a full time quaker minister. There is a a story in >my family that my great Uncle also William Loveless researched the family >history and found a link with the Loveless family of Tolpuddle, >unfortunately his records have been lost. It is known that the Lovelesses >of Tolpuddle were Wesleyans and went on to set up the Church in London >Ontario if my memory is right. Other research suggests that Primitive >Methodism was more usually the spiritual home of farm labourers. I wonder >if this earlier Robert Loveless might just have been the Robert Loveless in >London that was contacted by George Loveless one of the 'Martyrs'. > >Best wishes >David Allen > > >

Hi Donna - that Life in the 1500s was excellent! However, having come from England and knowing al those sayings I will ask a naive question - is all of that true?? I mean I know they did tie string to a 'dead man's' hand at one time so that he could alert people up top if were actually alive but the 'graveyard shift'? I had a friend whose father used to go out at dead of night and return early hours before his regular work and for many years she thought he was a burglar - he was a part time grave digger, only allowed to dig the graves late at night, and paid very well too! This was in the 1960s, I think it's stopped now but it was known as the graveyard shift. I am not trying to spoil the stories honest, just really like to know if they all true before I send them off to the oldies in UK! Carol Park

Hi I hope that this is now in the correct format for the Roots web server! Hello this is my first try at using the forum. Can anyone help? I have a family line going back via my maternal grandmother to the Loveless family of Norfolk, UK This family seems to have come from Diss and North Walsham. the earliest member that we have identified so far is William Alger Loveless born 1848 died 14 October 1897. He was born of devout Wesleyan parents his father was Robert Loveless (so far I have no dates) Robert is described as being an acceptable preacher. William worked initially as a solicitors clerk but later became a full time quaker minister. There is a a story in my family that my great Uncle also William Loveless researched the family history and found a link with the Loveless family of Tolpuddle, unfortunately his records have been lost. It is known that the Lovelesses of Tolpuddle were Wesleyans and went on to set up the Church in London Ontario if my memory is right. Other research suggests that Primitive Methodism was more usually the spiritual home of farm labourers. I wonder if this earlier Robert Loveless might just have been the Robert Loveless in London that was contacted by George Loveless one of the 'Martyrs'. Best wishes David Allen

Hi Group. I copied this from the Buck List. Thought it was cute. Let me know what you think about the bathing habits of our ancestors etc. Life in the 1500's: Most people got married in June because they took their yearly bath in May and were still smelling pretty good by June. However, they were starting to smell, so brides carried a bouquet of flowers to hide the b.o. &nbsp;Baths equaled a big tub filled with hot water. The man of the house had the privilege of the nice clean water, then all the other sons and men, then the women and finally the children. Last of all the babies. By that time the water was so dirty you could actually lose someone in it. Hence the saying, "Don't throw the baby out with the bath water". &nbsp;Houses had thatched roofs. Thick straw, piled high, with no wood underneath. It was the only place for animals to get warm, so all the pets...dogs, cats and other small animals, mice, rats, bugs lived in the roof. When it rained, it became slippery and sometimes the animals would slip and fall off the roof. Hence the saying, "It's raining cats and dogs," There was nothing to stop things from falling into the house. This posed a real problem in the bedroom where bugs and other droppings could really mess up your nice clean bed. So, they found if&nbsp; they made beds with big posts and hung a sheet over the top, it addressed that problem. Hence those beautiful big 4 poster beds with canopies. The floor was dirt. Only the wealthy had something other than dirt, hence the saying "dirt poor". The wealthy had slate floors which would get slippery in the winter when wet. So they spread thresh on the floor to help keep their footing. As the winter wore on, they kept adding more thresh until when you opened the door, it would all start slipping outside. A piece of wood was placed at the entry way, hence a "thresh hold". They cooked in the kitchen in a big kettle that always hung over the fire. Every day they lit the fire and added things to the pot. They mostly ate vegetables and didn't get much meat. They would eat the stew for dinner leaving leftovers in the pot to get cold overnight and then start over the next day. Sometimes the stew had food in it that had been in there for a month. Hence the rhyme: peas porridge hot, peas porridge cold, peas porridge in the pot nine days old." Sometimes they could obtain pork and would feel really special when that happened. When company came over, they would bring out some bacon and hang it to show it off. It was a sign of wealth and that a man "could really bring home the bacon." They would cut off a little to share with guestsand would all sit around and "chew the fat." Those with money had plates made of pewter. Food with a high acid content caused some of the lead to leach onto the food. This happened most often with tomatoes, so they stopped eating tomatoes...for 400 years. Most people didn't have pewter plates, but had trenchers - a piece of wood with the middle scooped out like a bowl. Trenchers were never washed and a lot of times worms got into the wood. After eating off wormy trenchers, they would get "trench mouth." &nbsp;Bread was divided according to status. Workers got the burnt bottom of the loaf, the family got the middle, and guests got the top, or the "upper crust". &nbsp;Lead cups were used to drink ale or whiskey. The combination would sometimes knock them out for a couple of days. Someone walking along the road would take them for dead and prepare them for burial. They were laid out on the kitchen table for a couple of days and the family would gather around and eat and drink and wait and see if they would wake up. Hence the custom of holding a "wake". England is old and small and they started running out of places to bury people. So, they would dig up coffins and would take their bones to a house and re-use the grave. In reopening these coffins, one out of 25 coffins were found to have scratch marks on the inside and they realized they had been burying people alive. So they thought they would tie a string on their wrist and lead it through the coffin and up through the ground and tie it to a bell. Someone would have to sit out in the graveyard all night to listen for the bell. Hence on the "graveyard shift" they would know that someone was "saved by the bell" or he was a "dead ringer". Donna King Tolpuddle List Manager Oldest Loveless ancestor - John Loveless born circa 1731 Tolpuddle,Dorset, England.

Sandy - on behalf of the Tolpuddle List. Welcome. As I explained to you in my email on the Dorset Mailing List we're a friendly but quiet group. I feel certain if any of our group has any information they will be sure to contact you. Below please find Sandy's Lovelace details: At the moment, I only know about my 5x gt grandmother, Elizabeth Lovelace (b 20 December 1742) who married Robert Gale. If anyone has any connections, I would love to hear from them. Best wishes Sandy Once again, welcome to the group Donna King Tolpuddle List Manager Oldest Loveless ancestor - John Loveless born circa 1731 in Tolpuddle, Dorset, England

Hello Bonnie. Welcome to the list. I think you might have more luck with the Loveless/Lovelace list. This list was the original list and centres mostly in the States where you're Loveless are from. This list is an extremely friendly group and they're very helpful. I'm almost certain that some one there would have information on your Loveless ancestor. Send an email to [email protected] if you want the emails individually, and put the word subscribe in the body of the msg. If you would rather have them collected in groups send an email to [email protected] and place the word subscribe in the body of the email. Once again you're very welcome to remain with us. But feel free to join which ever list is good for you. You can belong to both. Donna King Tolpuddle List Owner Oldest Loveless ancestor is John Loveless born circa 1731 in Tolpuddle, Dorset, England. -----Original Message----- From: Edward Hunter <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, May 05, 1999 1:35 PM Subject: [TOLPUDDLE-L] Loveless >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >--------------0A05DECFCECF42BC9B71917F >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Thank you for your welcome's. My husband has the e-mail in his name >because I have only started using the pc a few months ago. My name is >Bonnie. >I have been hitting so many brick walls where my grandmother is >concerned I am starting to feel punchy. >My grandmother was born in Adair County, Ky December 20, 1880. Her name >was Mary Elizabeth Burton. Her mother was suppose to be a Loveless and >her name was Louisa or Louisia who was also suppose to be from Adair >County.Her father is suppose to have been a Nebb Burton >My ggrandmother and ggrandfather were both suppose to have died when my >grandmother was very young, according to a note attached to her marriage >bond. She was sent to live with her Burton grandparents in Russell >County, Ky. >My grandmother spoke of only one sister who died at three years old. >I am trying to find information on a Burton and Loveless marriage in Ky, >Tenn, Ind, or anywhere at this point, and have hit brick wall's >everywhere I turn. >An Aunt left a note that was found upon her death that said my >grandmother's father was Loveless, but all documents I have say's >Burton.I have her marriage certificate, her death certificate, and no >birth certificate was found. There was a note attached to her marriage >bond to verify her age. It was signed by her grandfather James W. Burton >and it told her mother's first name and no mention of her maiden name. >I know Loveless is in my line somewhere because my grandmother talked >about it.She and my mother died when I was in my very early twenties and >no one else knows anything. >Can anyone help me connect the Burton's and the Loveless name together. >I want so much to get out from behind this brick wall. >Thank You, >Bonnie > >-- >Reach me by ICQ. My ICQ# is 33045404 or, >* Page me online through my Personal Communication Center: >http://wwp.mirabilis.com/33045404 (go there and try it!) or, >* Send me E-mail Express directly to my computer screen >[email protected] > > >--------------0A05DECFCECF42BC9B71917F >Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Content-Description: Card for Edward Hunter >Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" > >begin: vcard >fn: Edward Hunter >n: ;Edward Hunter >email;internet: [email protected] >x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 >x-mozilla-html: FALSE >version: 2.1 >end: vcard > > >--------------0A05DECFCECF42BC9B71917F-- >

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0A05DECFCECF42BC9B71917F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you for your welcome's. My husband has the e-mail in his name because I have only started using the pc a few months ago. My name is Bonnie. I have been hitting so many brick walls where my grandmother is concerned I am starting to feel punchy. My grandmother was born in Adair County, Ky December 20, 1880. Her name was Mary Elizabeth Burton. Her mother was suppose to be a Loveless and her name was Louisa or Louisia who was also suppose to be from Adair County.Her father is suppose to have been a Nebb Burton My ggrandmother and ggrandfather were both suppose to have died when my grandmother was very young, according to a note attached to her marriage bond. She was sent to live with her Burton grandparents in Russell County, Ky. My grandmother spoke of only one sister who died at three years old. I am trying to find information on a Burton and Loveless marriage in Ky, Tenn, Ind, or anywhere at this point, and have hit brick wall's everywhere I turn. An Aunt left a note that was found upon her death that said my grandmother's father was Loveless, but all documents I have say's Burton.I have her marriage certificate, her death certificate, and no birth certificate was found. There was a note attached to her marriage bond to verify her age. It was signed by her grandfather James W. Burton and it told her mother's first name and no mention of her maiden name. I know Loveless is in my line somewhere because my grandmother talked about it.She and my mother died when I was in my very early twenties and no one else knows anything. Can anyone help me connect the Burton's and the Loveless name together. I want so much to get out from behind this brick wall. Thank You, Bonnie -- Reach me by ICQ. My ICQ# is 33045404 or, * Page me online through my Personal Communication Center: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/33045404 (go there and try it!) or, * Send me E-mail Express directly to my computer screen [email protected] --------------0A05DECFCECF42BC9B71917F Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Edward Hunter Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Edward Hunter n: ;Edward Hunter email;internet: [email protected] x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------0A05DECFCECF42BC9B71917F--

Hi Donna, Irene has worked her magic on my line and has got me back to Loveless ancestors on the border of Dorset and Devon. I still feel there is a connection to the Martyrs extended family due to talk from my great aunt and the fact that they moved from Dorset area in the 1830s and changed their name temporarily to Lovelace - I am 'told'! The family lived in Axmouth and I know they had relations in Bridport who worked for the Bridport Ropemakers - there are some old photos in my aunt's possession. Knowing that you have traced back your ancestors through the Martyrs extended family I wonder whether you might have any links with a HENRY!? Anyway I have - Henry Loveless (later changed to Lovelace, changed again to Loveless) m. Sally Clark, 5.8.1829 - Axmouth, Devon daughters - Eliza 12.9.1830 Axmouth, Devon Sarah Ann 9.1.1833 Dover, Kent (later changed to Lovelace??) William Henry Clark 24.1.1836 (Loveless) Folkestone, Kent Henry was my g.g.g. grandfather. Hopefully I will find out more from the LDS records. A long shot but thanks Donna - how is the 'managing' going? Keep up the good work. Carol Park