Dear Irene, I was the one seeking my great-geat-grandmother Marina Lovelace. I look forward to my birthday! Elizabeth Hollick (nee Roberts) 1 Glyn Way FAREHAM Hants, PO13 2PH -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: 07 June 1999 07:49 Subject: TOLPUDDLE-D Digest V99 #55

Hello all! Help me please, my memory is not so good now I am getting on in years, hehehehehe. Who was looking for MARINA LOVELACE C 16 Dec 1827 Symondsbury. I have a prezzie for you. Irene

Carol. Nothing yet. Searching county by county as that seems the easiest way. Will let you know when I find something. Donna King ----- Original Message ----- From: Carol Park & Brian Vernon <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 3:44 AM Subject: [TOLPUDDLE-L] 1881 census > Donna, would you be able to look up the same people HENRY and WILLIAM - most > probably WILLIAM LOVELESS living in Surrey - South Norwood, same details as > before. many thanks > Carol Park > >

Hi Donna, Thanks for checking! Thomas and Isabel are really making me CRAZY! How can two people just appear, get married, have a kid [having one kid back then was strange enough], then disappear?!?!?!??! Oh well, maybe some day I'll log on and the answer will appear, or maybe I'll find the illusive document in some library or collection or something...hope springs eternal! In the mean time I'll rejoice in getting to see the homesteads of a number of my ancestors, Lovelxxx included, while back home in N.S.! Blessings, Marsha On Tue, 1 Jun 1999 22:13:02 -0700 "D King" <[email protected]> writes: >Hi Marsha. I have a Thomas Loveless who was born in 1854,parents >names >William and Ellen Loveless but that would be too late for your Thomas. > No >other Thomas's that I know of in my line. > >Enjoy your stay in Nova Scotia, Canada. If you get to Barrie, Ontario >I >would be pleased to see you. > >Donna King >Tolpuddle List Manager >----- Original Message ----- >From: <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Monday, May 31, 1999 2:38 PM >Subject: Re: [TOLPUDDLE-L] > > >> Hi Donna, >> I've charted the Loveless descendents in Nova Scotia from Thomas >and >> Isabel Davis Loveless of Westerly, R.I. Their son John went to NS >in >> 1760 as a grantee. I have charted much of this family. Am lacking >much >> of the current and last generations except for my own line. >> Since we can find no other information on Thomas who married Isabel >in >> 1734 in No. Kings Town, R.I., perhaps he came from England...does >anyone >> have a Thomas who "disappeared" who might fit that time frame? >> Thanks for any consideration...I'm quite excited to be spending a >month >> in NS this summer...just bought 16 rolls of film today-Kodak Max 800 >was >> on sale!!! >> Marsha Craig >> Tampa, Fl >> On Mon, 31 May 1999 17:13:28 -0700 "D King" <[email protected]> >writes: >> >Has anyone on this list started a family chart of the >> >Loveless/Lovelace >> >family. I know that I have one of just my family. >> > >> >I think this might be a good project, one to go with the database. >> > >> >Donna King >> >Tolpuddle List Manager >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: David Allen <[email protected]> >> >To: <[email protected]> >> >Sent: Monday, May 31, 1999 1:15 PM >> >Subject: [TOLPUDDLE-L] Norfolk Loveless >> > >> > >> >> Hi Donna thanks for the work I think that I'm going to have to >go >> >and bash >> >> some of the parish registers when the time allows. My earliest >> >proven >> >> relative is Robert Loveless born 1810 in Bressingham I suspect >that >> >William >> >> Loveless of Bressingham born about 1776 is his Dad but I need now >to >> >find >> >> the birth record, if it exists to prove it. Thanks again for >your >> >help. >> >> >> >> By the way has anyone drawn up a detailed family tree of the >> >Tolpuddle >> >> Loveless'. maybe this would be a good point at which to start >your >> >> suggested data base on the Loveless clan. According to Joyce >> >Marlow's >> >book >> >> on the Martyrs the family tree of descendants of James Brine has >> >been >> >worked >> >> out also she comments that there are many descendants of John >> >Lovelesses >> >(he >> >> was the oldest brother of James and George) children in Ohio as >well >> >as I >> >> imagine the descendants of George in Canada. >> >> >> >> When did your Loveless family emigrate as there are references >to >> >George >> >> making contact with a relative in Canada before he emigrated. I >> >hope I'm >> >> right in thinking that you are in Canada? >> >> Best wishes David >> >> >> > >> >> ___________________________________________________________________ >> You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >> Get completely free e-mail from Juno at >http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >> or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] >> > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Hi Carol fascinating story! If there is something in it you would possibly be related to Donna. John Loveless's of Bridport Grand parents were John Loveless and Thomasina Gould of Tolpuddle. Their son John is ggg grand father of Donna and son Thomas is the Father of Bridport John and the Martyrs George and James. Guess some of that other information that you have got of the Loveless in Dorset might hold the key and Donna might have more links. Good hunting David

Donna, would you be able to look up the same people HENRY and WILLIAM - most probably WILLIAM LOVELESS living in Surrey - South Norwood, same details as before. many thanks Carol Park

Hi Marsha. I have a Thomas Loveless who was born in 1854,parents names William and Ellen Loveless but that would be too late for your Thomas. No other Thomas's that I know of in my line. Enjoy your stay in Nova Scotia, Canada. If you get to Barrie, Ontario I would be pleased to see you. Donna King Tolpuddle List Manager ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 31, 1999 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [TOLPUDDLE-L] > Hi Donna, > I've charted the Loveless descendents in Nova Scotia from Thomas and > Isabel Davis Loveless of Westerly, R.I. Their son John went to NS in > 1760 as a grantee. I have charted much of this family. Am lacking much > of the current and last generations except for my own line. > Since we can find no other information on Thomas who married Isabel in > 1734 in No. Kings Town, R.I., perhaps he came from England...does anyone > have a Thomas who "disappeared" who might fit that time frame? > Thanks for any consideration...I'm quite excited to be spending a month > in NS this summer...just bought 16 rolls of film today-Kodak Max 800 was > on sale!!! > Marsha Craig > Tampa, Fl > On Mon, 31 May 1999 17:13:28 -0700 "D King" <[email protected]> writes: > >Has anyone on this list started a family chart of the > >Loveless/Lovelace > >family. I know that I have one of just my family. > > > >I think this might be a good project, one to go with the database. > > > >Donna King > >Tolpuddle List Manager > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: David Allen <[email protected]> > >To: <[email protected]> > >Sent: Monday, May 31, 1999 1:15 PM > >Subject: [TOLPUDDLE-L] Norfolk Loveless > > > > > >> Hi Donna thanks for the work I think that I'm going to have to go > >and bash > >> some of the parish registers when the time allows. My earliest > >proven > >> relative is Robert Loveless born 1810 in Bressingham I suspect that > >William > >> Loveless of Bressingham born about 1776 is his Dad but I need now to > >find > >> the birth record, if it exists to prove it. Thanks again for your > >help. > >> > >> By the way has anyone drawn up a detailed family tree of the > >Tolpuddle > >> Loveless'. maybe this would be a good point at which to start your > >> suggested data base on the Loveless clan. According to Joyce > >Marlow's > >book > >> on the Martyrs the family tree of descendants of James Brine has > >been > >worked > >> out also she comments that there are many descendants of John > >Lovelesses > >(he > >> was the oldest brother of James and George) children in Ohio as well > >as I > >> imagine the descendants of George in Canada. > >> > >> When did your Loveless family emigrate as there are references to > >George > >> making contact with a relative in Canada before he emigrated. I > >hope I'm > >> right in thinking that you are in Canada? > >> Best wishes David > >> > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] >

David, my great aunt tells me that Henry Loveless's cousins were flax dressers in Bridport in the early 1800s. (Henry 'fled' to Kent in 1830s) So this is interesting - she even had some old papers pertaining to the rope makers that they worked for, of course now lost!! Anyway thanks for that! Does anyone have any links to Bridport, Dorset??? Carol Park

Hi Irene and Carol I've been slow! The Bridport Loveless connection is unlikely to be relevant to any of us in the UK or Australia. The Loveless in Bridport whom George Lovelss contacted was his Brother John Loveless Born 14 April 1786 died 1861 John was a flax dresser and it was alleged that it was he who had supplied literature from the flax dressers union in Leeds to George. One of his sons emigrated to Canada and three emigrated to the USA and have according to Joyce Marlow descendants in Ohio. If you are not familiar with Joyce Marlows' book it is 'The Tolpuddle Martyrs' published in the UK by Panther in1974, the back of my copy has prices for Canada and Australia I don't know if it is still in print although my brother recently obtained a copy from somewhere!. best wishes David

Hi Donna, yes i think a general throwing into the pot of Loveless's/lovelaces that we have from Dorset area around Tolpuddle era would be great, but perhaps not too inspiring for non Tolpuddlians....... Anyway I have sheets of Loveless marriages pre 1770 from Dorset Archives, not a great deal of info but names and places, includes John and Thmasin(a) Gould, with dates if anyone is interested? Also births and deaths S/E Dorchester from 1689 of Loveless's, Wills from 1673. perhaps rather than churning out reams of paper people can ask me to look at anyone of interest pre 1800? Anyway - theyr'e there is useful. Carol Park

Has anyone on this list started a family chart of the Loveless/Lovelace family. I know that I have one of just my family. I think this might be a good project, one to go with the database. Donna King Tolpuddle List Manager ----- Original Message ----- From: David Allen <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 31, 1999 1:15 PM Subject: [TOLPUDDLE-L] Norfolk Loveless > Hi Donna thanks for the work I think that I'm going to have to go and bash > some of the parish registers when the time allows. My earliest proven > relative is Robert Loveless born 1810 in Bressingham I suspect that William > Loveless of Bressingham born about 1776 is his Dad but I need now to find > the birth record, if it exists to prove it. Thanks again for your help. > > By the way has anyone drawn up a detailed family tree of the Tolpuddle > Loveless'. maybe this would be a good point at which to start your > suggested data base on the Loveless clan. According to Joyce Marlow's book > on the Martyrs the family tree of descendants of James Brine has been worked > out also she comments that there are many descendants of John Lovelesses (he > was the oldest brother of James and George) children in Ohio as well as I > imagine the descendants of George in Canada. > > When did your Loveless family emigrate as there are references to George > making contact with a relative in Canada before he emigrated. I hope I'm > right in thinking that you are in Canada? > Best wishes David >

HI Geoff. Thanks for your insights into the census proceedings. My paternal grandfathers name was CANNELL. I have done a search on the 1881 National Index which searches all soundex spellings etc and they are not there. Perhaps, it is misspelt - like you said - maybe - Pannell. Dannell Back to the drawing board. At least I can search at my convenience at the computer. Cheers from Canada Donna King Tolpuddle List Manager Oldest Loveless ancestor - John Loveless - born circa 1731 in Tolpuddle, Dorset, England ----- Original Message ----- From: Geoff Riggs <[email protected]> To: D King <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 31, 1999 7:59 AM Subject: Re: [TOLPUDDLE-L] 1881 BRITISH CENSUS AND NATIONAL INDEX > Hi everyone, > > Donna said in her posting sent: 30 May 1999 22:04 > Subject: Re: [TOLPUDDLE-L] 1881 BRITISH CENSUS AND NATIONAL INDEX > > > My grandfather's family on my dad's side does not show up in the 1881 > > census. Perhaps they weren't home that day. > > Theoretically, if they were anywhere in Great Britain, the National Index should > include them. I say theoretically because, as you know, one or two were missed > on the enumerator's schedules or when he came to copy them up into his census > book. > > What's far more likely is that the surname has been wrongly read by the > transcriber. Without knowing what their surname was, I can't suggest what it > might appear under instead. but, with my RIGGS One-Name Study, I've found the > following errors in transcribing surnames. I've checked each of them back to > the microfilms of the original census books at the Family Records Centre - on my > infrequent 260-mile round trips to London - to confirm that they are errors):- > 33 BIGGS should be RIGGS > 9 BAGGS should be RIGGS * > 8 RIGGS should be PIGGS > 2 RIGGS should be TRIGGS > 1 RIGGS should be HIGGS > 53 in Total which might not normally be found, plus also > 8 RIGG should be RIGGS > 16 RIGGS should be RIGG(E) > 77 altogether that are wrongly transcribed, out of a total of 1,021 (over 7.5%) > [ *one family of RIGGS had been wrongly enumerated as RAGGS, > and that in turn had been wrongly transcribed as BAGGS.] > > So don't give up yet - use a bit of lateral thinking as to what the surname > might have been interpreted as { 8-) } > > Geoff > RIGGS One-Name Study - GOONS Member 2408 > Webmaster of > 1. http://welcome.to/Gwent.FHS > 2. http://welcome.to/AFHS.Wales > "Genealogists ... love to view their heirs and air their views" > from Humour page on > 3. http://relative-links.genealogy.org > > ______________________________ >

Hi Donna, I've charted the Loveless descendents in Nova Scotia from Thomas and Isabel Davis Loveless of Westerly, R.I. Their son John went to NS in 1760 as a grantee. I have charted much of this family. Am lacking much of the current and last generations except for my own line. Since we can find no other information on Thomas who married Isabel in 1734 in No. Kings Town, R.I., perhaps he came from England...does anyone have a Thomas who "disappeared" who might fit that time frame? Thanks for any consideration...I'm quite excited to be spending a month in NS this summer...just bought 16 rolls of film today-Kodak Max 800 was on sale!!! Marsha Craig Tampa, Fl On Mon, 31 May 1999 17:13:28 -0700 "D King" <[email protected]> writes: >Has anyone on this list started a family chart of the >Loveless/Lovelace >family. I know that I have one of just my family. > >I think this might be a good project, one to go with the database. > >Donna King >Tolpuddle List Manager >----- Original Message ----- >From: David Allen <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Monday, May 31, 1999 1:15 PM >Subject: [TOLPUDDLE-L] Norfolk Loveless > > >> Hi Donna thanks for the work I think that I'm going to have to go >and bash >> some of the parish registers when the time allows. My earliest >proven >> relative is Robert Loveless born 1810 in Bressingham I suspect that >William >> Loveless of Bressingham born about 1776 is his Dad but I need now to >find >> the birth record, if it exists to prove it. Thanks again for your >help. >> >> By the way has anyone drawn up a detailed family tree of the >Tolpuddle >> Loveless'. maybe this would be a good point at which to start your >> suggested data base on the Loveless clan. According to Joyce >Marlow's >book >> on the Martyrs the family tree of descendants of James Brine has >been >worked >> out also she comments that there are many descendants of John >Lovelesses >(he >> was the oldest brother of James and George) children in Ohio as well >as I >> imagine the descendants of George in Canada. >> >> When did your Loveless family emigrate as there are references to >George >> making contact with a relative in Canada before he emigrated. I >hope I'm >> right in thinking that you are in Canada? >> Best wishes David >> > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Hi Donna thanks for the work I think that I'm going to have to go and bash some of the parish registers when the time allows. My earliest proven relative is Robert Loveless born 1810 in Bressingham I suspect that William Loveless of Bressingham born about 1776 is his Dad but I need now to find the birth record, if it exists to prove it. Thanks again for your help. By the way has anyone drawn up a detailed family tree of the Tolpuddle Loveless'. maybe this would be a good point at which to start your suggested data base on the Loveless clan. According to Joyce Marlow's book on the Martyrs the family tree of descendants of James Brine has been worked out also she comments that there are many descendants of John Lovelesses (he was the oldest brother of James and George) children in Ohio as well as I imagine the descendants of George in Canada. When did your Loveless family emigrate as there are references to George making contact with a relative in Canada before he emigrated. I hope I'm right in thinking that you are in Canada? Best wishes David

Hi Donna, thanks for all the good stuff you are keeping us supplied with. Could you look up someone for me on the 1881 census. WILLIAM HENRY CLARK LOVELESS, living in LEE, KENT married to SUSANNAH AYLETT. He was born in 1836. I have one son so far - WILLIAM AYLETT LOVELESS Also -: if you have the time HENRY LOVELESS married to SALLY CLARKE possibly living in Folkestone, KENT but born in AXMOUTH, DEVON. He was born in 1829 Thanks Donna, you're a gem! Carol Park

Good day all. The following is from the 1881 British Census as requested by David Allen. While doing a search for Robert Loveless in Norfolk the following is what showed up: Dwelling: Market Place Census Place: North Walsham, Norfolk, England Source: FHL Film: 1341464 Pro Ref: RG11 Piece 1922 Folio 103 Page 7 Name Marr Age Sex Birthplace Robert A Loveless M 44 M Dover, Kent, England Louisa Loveless M 37 F Southport, Lancashire, England Arthur W. Loveless 9 M Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Alice Mary Loveless 10 F Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Ellen H. Loveless 7 F Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Fredk. Algar Loveless 4 M Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Frank L. Loveless 3 M Yarmouth, Norfolk, England John Robt. Loveless 10 M M North Walsham, Norfolk, England Philip F. Frost U 17 M Harwich Arthur T. Whitman U 18 M Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Herbert R. Chamberlin U 15 M Cambridge Harriett M. Breeze U 19 F East Ruston, Norfolk England Sarah G. Pike U 15 F Southrepps, Norfolk, England Dwelling: 4 Elm Villa Roydon R Census Place: Diss, Norfolk, England Source: FHL Film 1341473 Pro Ref RG11 Place 1966 Folio 51 Page 20 Name Marr Age Sex Birthplace Robert Loveless W 71 M Bressingham, Norfolk, England Jane E. Loveless U 37 F Diss, Norfolk, England William A. Loveless U 32 M Diss, Norfolk, England I will do a search later for a John Loveless but from an earlier search that I did there did not appear to be a John Loveless born in 1841. This is not new. My grandfather's family on my dad's side does not show up in the 1881 census. Perhaps they weren't home that day. Anyways, Hope this helps if only to rule out the impossible. David, my John Loveless was the uncle to George and James Loveless. Donna King Tolpuddle List Manager oldest Loveless ancestor John Loveless born circa 1731 in Tolpuddle,Dorset, England. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Allen <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 29, 1999 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [TOLPUDDLE-L] 1881 BRITISH CENSUS AND NATIONAL INDEX > Hi Donna, thanks for the offer of looking at Loveless in the 1881 census > Irene has already been very helpful for me in finding my direct ancestors in > the Norfolk Loveless family. It would be good to fill out the picture of > what happened to some of the others as apparently one went on to be a > missionary in Africa. So far with Irenes help we have got Robert Loveless > (born 1810 in Bressingham and his family living in Diss Norfolk) And his > eldest son and family - Robert (born 1837 in Dover) living with his family > in North Walsham. William Alger Loveless my G Grandfather was the youngest > son of the older Robert and was living at home With Dad in 1881. So where > was John Loveless born 1841 in Diss. And other possible descendants of the > Bressingham Loveless family? Your help would be welcome. There has always > been the story in my family of a link with the Tolpuddle Loveless so far my > researches have confirmed other aspects of the family story. I wonder > whether other children of your John Loveless of Tolpuddle b 1731 who I > assume was the grandfather of George and James, had other children who > moved away from Dorset? If there is anyone else researching the Norfolk UK > Loveless family I will be happy to share information, odds are that we would > be related! > Best Wishes David > -----Original Message----- > From: D King <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Date: 29 May 1999 01:12 > Subject: [TOLPUDDLE-L] 1881 BRITISH CENSUS AND NATIONAL INDEX > > > >Hi all. I have got my new 1881 British Census and National Index up and > >running and have started searching for Loveless/Lovelace. > > > >If anyone wants a specific search done please let me know. Searches can be > >done over the list or offline. > > > >I'm considering starting up a database for the Loveless/Lovelace name. Any > >suggestions or comments. What do you think, Irene? > > > >All for now, > > > >Donna King > >Tolpuddle List Manager > >Oldest Loveless Ancestor - John Loveless born circa 1731 in Tolpuddle, > >Dorset, England > > > > > > > > >

Hi Donna, thanks for the offer of looking at Loveless in the 1881 census Irene has already been very helpful for me in finding my direct ancestors in the Norfolk Loveless family. It would be good to fill out the picture of what happened to some of the others as apparently one went on to be a missionary in Africa. So far with Irenes help we have got Robert Loveless (born 1810 in Bressingham and his family living in Diss Norfolk) And his eldest son and family - Robert (born 1837 in Dover) living with his family in North Walsham. William Alger Loveless my G Grandfather was the youngest son of the older Robert and was living at home With Dad in 1881. So where was John Loveless born 1841 in Diss. And other possible descendants of the Bressingham Loveless family? Your help would be welcome. There has always been the story in my family of a link with the Tolpuddle Loveless so far my researches have confirmed other aspects of the family story. I wonder whether other children of your John Loveless of Tolpuddle b 1731 who I assume was the grandfather of George and James, had other children who moved away from Dorset? If there is anyone else researching the Norfolk UK Loveless family I will be happy to share information, odds are that we would be related! Best Wishes David -----Original Message----- From: D King <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: 29 May 1999 01:12 Subject: [TOLPUDDLE-L] 1881 BRITISH CENSUS AND NATIONAL INDEX >Hi all. I have got my new 1881 British Census and National Index up and >running and have started searching for Loveless/Lovelace. > >If anyone wants a specific search done please let me know. Searches can be >done over the list or offline. > >I'm considering starting up a database for the Loveless/Lovelace name. Any >suggestions or comments. What do you think, Irene? > >All for now, > >Donna King >Tolpuddle List Manager >Oldest Loveless Ancestor - John Loveless born circa 1731 in Tolpuddle, >Dorset, England > > > >

Hi all. I have got my new 1881 British Census and National Index up and running and have started searching for Loveless/Lovelace. If anyone wants a specific search done please let me know. Searches can be done over the list or offline. I'm considering starting up a database for the Loveless/Lovelace name. Any suggestions or comments. What do you think, Irene? All for now, Donna King Tolpuddle List Manager Oldest Loveless Ancestor - John Loveless born circa 1731 in Tolpuddle, Dorset, England

Thanks Donna! Haven't had a look yet but surely will!

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