Hi everyone. I came across the following and thought it might be of some use when researching the English Lines. The first son was named after the fathers Father the 2nd son was named after the mothers Father the third son was named after his own father the fourth son was named after the fathers eldest brother The first dau was named after the mothers Mother the 2nd dau was named after the fathers Mother the 3rd dau was named after her own Mother the 4th dau was named after the mothers eldest sister. Interesting isn't it? Regards Barb Lewis May the road rise up to meet you, And the wind ever be at your back ack

Hi Barbara, keeping my fingers crossed that you and Irene can cross-match. She has done so much work for me and many other Loveless/laces and had little luck herself with her family search. My oldest ancestor, my g.g.g. granddad was Henry Loveless born circa 1805 in Axmouth - on the Dorset/Devon border. We believe that he was a rope maker/flax dresser working in Bridport and possibly had a connection with Donna's relations who were also connected with flax dressers in Bridport. He and his family moved on to Kent around 1834 and may have changed their name to Lovelace temporarily, they lived in Folkestone, then Dover, then Peckham and South London where I was born a Loveless. I am told by aged aunt that we are related to Tolpuddle martyrs - but have yet to trace any Henrys in the info. about the family! We emigrated in 1992 after my wanting to come over here almost since I could open an atlas! Just love that huge sky......do wish you well with your hunting and I'll keep ears open for Bristol/Somerset links. Carol l/Somerset links. Carol

Hi Barbara. Greetings from Canada. I'm researching the family of John Loveless - uncle to George and James Loveless - Tolpuddle Martyrs. Most of my Lovelesses hail from Tolpuddle, Dorset, England. I haven't determined as of yet if any of my great-grandmothers 13 siblings came to Canada like some of the other Lovelesses. Glad you could join our group.If you have any suggestions on how we could get more activity on the list don't hesitate to let us know. Cheers Donna King oldest Loveless ancestor John Loveless born circa 1831 Tolpuddle, Dorset ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 4:01 AM Subject: Re: [TOLPUDDLE-L] Welcome - Barbara > Hi Brian and Carol > Yes it is an Aussie email. I am tracing the Lovelace family of Charles > Fletcher Lovelace > and his wife Hester Parson, orginally from Wells, Somerset. I am in touch > with Irene Howgate > and we are exchanging what info we can as some of her family and some > of Charles sister Eliza matthew Lovelace ( husband John Collen) family > also lived at Castlemaine. Her Robert came from Bristol and Eliza married > her John there. > It will be interesting to see if anything come of it. Please tell about > your family- > where in Eng you came from. I do know of James and George Loveless the > Tolpuddle > Martyrs, but they went back to Eng, on to Essex and then part of the family > went overseas. > Love to know anything you can tell me. I have been researching for about > 25 + > years. I live in a little place called Culgoa, 75k west > from Swan Hill. > My first married name was Lovelace and that is my childrens name. > Regards Barb Lewis > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian and Carol <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Date: Wednesday, 7 July 1999 1:07 PM > Subject: Re: [TOLPUDDLE-L] Welcome - Barbara > > > >Hi Barbara, welcome from carol vernon-park. You will find that we tend to > >go in spasms - quiet for a week or two and then suddenly lots of chat. Is > >that an Aussie email?? Where are you from? I'm from Kingaroy, Qld and > >another one in the TOLP family, Irene, is from Victoria. Irene is the > source > >of all knowledge about Loveless/lace but very busy at present with end of > >year paper work for her business. Let us know your family details, Carol > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: D King <[email protected]> > >To: <[email protected]> > >Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 10:33 AM > >Subject: [TOLPUDDLE-L] Welcome - Barbara > > > > > >> Hi Barbara and welcome to the Tolpuddle List. On behalf of all the > >members > >> I hope you will enjoy your stay. > >> > >> When you're comfortable let us know your areas of research. I'm sure > that > >> you will find this group quiet but very friendly. > >> > >> Once again, welcome. > >> > >> Donna King > >> Tolpuddle List Manager > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Barbara <[email protected]> > >> To: <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Monday, July 05, 1999 4:18 AM > >> > >> > >> > Subscribe > >> > May the road rise up to meet you, > >> > And the wind ever be at your back > >> > > >> > >> >

Hi everyone, While you are looking up all your data for any Lovelace/Loveless people, please remember me. I also would like any that are found. Here is a rundown on the family I am researching. The Banns of marriage for Benjamin Lovelace to Frances Matthews were called in St Cuthbert's, Wells, Somerset, on 27 May, 3 & 10 June 1792. Marriage was 17th July, 1792. Issue: 1793 Benjamin, b 12 April, bap 17 May 1795 Anne, b 9 Sept, bap 18 Oct (thought to have been bur. 12 June 1808 1800 Fanny, b 8 Nov, bap 31 Dec Married John Wright 1803 Mary b 24 Dec 1802 Bap 11 April 1803 did not marry 1805 Charles b 2 Feb 1805, bap 19 Feb 1805 married Hester Parsons came to AUSTRALIA) 1806 William, b 20 Nov, bap 19 December 1810 Eliza Matthews b 18 July bap 9 Sept married John Collens ( Came to AUSTRALIA) Benjamin MAY have been the son of Robert and Sarah who lived in Chamberlain St., Wells as this is where Banjamin also lived there after 1802 Robert & sarah's issue found 1764 Jane, dau of Mr Robert LOVELESS, b 9 Feb bapt 19 Feb brought into church 16 Apr 1766 Robert, son of Robert & Sara LOVELESS b 30 April bapt 1 May brought into church 19 Sept 1768 John, son of Robert & Sarah LOVELASE b 6 Feb bapt 7 Feb brought into church 29 April William son of Robert & Sarah LOVELESS b 20 May bapt 30 May brought into church 27 Aug 1773 Hester dau of Mr Robert LOVELESS and Sarah b 22 Dec 1772 bapt 24 Dec into church 4 Jun 1773. John b 1768 is thought to be our John ( Benjamin) as dates are OK as Benjamin died18 JULY 1843, Aged 75. The names Benjamin John and John Benjamin are carried down through generations indeed there is still Benjamin John Lovelace living today. I notice there is data on a Benjamin John Lovelace who married Sarah Rebecca Hawkins in London. This Benjamin was b 1824, son of John Lovelace born London. This family has names very similar to our family. It is possible that as the father was called Benjamin the son would take the second name as his own first name ie John Benjamin = Benjamin John. Would love to have an data on this family. Can anyone tell where to research apprenticeship papers as our family were Tailors and therefore had to be apprenticed. I do know both Charles and William were apprenticed to their father Benjamin John Lovelace in Wells. Charles LOVELACE's full name was Charles Fletcher Lovelace. I do hope that someone else may be able to connect with this family Regards Barb Lewis -----Original Message----- From: Irene Howgate <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, 8 July 1999 8:54 AM Subject: [TOLPUDDLE-L] IRENE BEGGING!!!!!! >Morning all! >Carol, Donna, Barb!!!!!! >I spent yesterday in my favorite place Melbourne Library and found a few >possibilities for my Robert's family. >Thanks to Barb I have a lovely lady looking into my family. >This women only researchers Somerset and Bristol and guess where she lives, >BALLARAT with me. She has more records, films and books on Somerset than I >have seen in all our libraries put together. Fingers crossed! >Also as we type my best buddy pal Audrey in sitting in the Bristol Records >Office searching for him, I am so spoilt. > >Anyway I would like to ask the help of everybody on this list. If you have >any stray Loveless/Lovelace/Loveliss/Lovelass folks from >Somerset/Gloucester please, please can I have them. >This has been a six year search for me so I am very good at begging for help! >Please watch out for Loveless's in these areas for me. >Thanks for listing, nice to see some chat on the list, you did that Barb! >Irene >

Morning all! Carol, Donna, Barb!!!!!! I spent yesterday in my favorite place Melbourne Library and found a few possibilities for my Robert's family. Thanks to Barb I have a lovely lady looking into my family. This women only researchers Somerset and Bristol and guess where she lives, BALLARAT with me. She has more records, films and books on Somerset than I have seen in all our libraries put together. Fingers crossed! Also as we type my best buddy pal Audrey in sitting in the Bristol Records Office searching for him, I am so spoilt. Anyway I would like to ask the help of everybody on this list. If you have any stray Loveless/Lovelace/Loveliss/Lovelass folks from Somerset/Gloucester please, please can I have them. This has been a six year search for me so I am very good at begging for help! Please watch out for Loveless's in these areas for me. Thanks for listing, nice to see some chat on the list, you did that Barb! Irene

Hi Brian and Carol Yes it is an Aussie email. I am tracing the Lovelace family of Charles Fletcher Lovelace and his wife Hester Parson, orginally from Wells, Somerset. I am in touch with Irene Howgate and we are exchanging what info we can as some of her family and some of Charles sister Eliza matthew Lovelace ( husband John Collen) family also lived at Castlemaine. Her Robert came from Bristol and Eliza married her John there. It will be interesting to see if anything come of it. Please tell about your family- where in Eng you came from. I do know of James and George Loveless the Tolpuddle Martyrs, but they went back to Eng, on to Essex and then part of the family went overseas. Love to know anything you can tell me. I have been researching for about 25 + years. I live in a little place called Culgoa, 75k west from Swan Hill. My first married name was Lovelace and that is my childrens name. Regards Barb Lewis -----Original Message----- From: Brian and Carol <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, 7 July 1999 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [TOLPUDDLE-L] Welcome - Barbara >Hi Barbara, welcome from carol vernon-park. You will find that we tend to >go in spasms - quiet for a week or two and then suddenly lots of chat. Is >that an Aussie email?? Where are you from? I'm from Kingaroy, Qld and >another one in the TOLP family, Irene, is from Victoria. Irene is the source >of all knowledge about Loveless/lace but very busy at present with end of >year paper work for her business. Let us know your family details, Carol > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: D King <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 10:33 AM >Subject: [TOLPUDDLE-L] Welcome - Barbara > > >> Hi Barbara and welcome to the Tolpuddle List. On behalf of all the >members >> I hope you will enjoy your stay. >> >> When you're comfortable let us know your areas of research. I'm sure that >> you will find this group quiet but very friendly. >> >> Once again, welcome. >> >> Donna King >> Tolpuddle List Manager >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Barbara <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, July 05, 1999 4:18 AM >> >> >> > Subscribe >> > May the road rise up to meet you, >> > And the wind ever be at your back >> > >> >>

Hi Barbara, welcome from carol vernon-park. You will find that we tend to go in spasms - quiet for a week or two and then suddenly lots of chat. Is that an Aussie email?? Where are you from? I'm from Kingaroy, Qld and another one in the TOLP family, Irene, is from Victoria. Irene is the source of all knowledge about Loveless/lace but very busy at present with end of year paper work for her business. Let us know your family details, Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: D King <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 10:33 AM Subject: [TOLPUDDLE-L] Welcome - Barbara > Hi Barbara and welcome to the Tolpuddle List. On behalf of all the members > I hope you will enjoy your stay. > > When you're comfortable let us know your areas of research. I'm sure that > you will find this group quiet but very friendly. > > Once again, welcome. > > Donna King > Tolpuddle List Manager > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Barbara <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, July 05, 1999 4:18 AM > > > > Subscribe > > May the road rise up to meet you, > > And the wind ever be at your back > > > >

Hi Barbara and welcome to the Tolpuddle List. On behalf of all the members I hope you will enjoy your stay. When you're comfortable let us know your areas of research. I'm sure that you will find this group quiet but very friendly. Once again, welcome. Donna King Tolpuddle List Manager ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 05, 1999 4:18 AM > Subscribe > May the road rise up to meet you, > And the wind ever be at your back >

On behalf of the members I would like to welcome Val Date to the Tolpuddle List. I hope you will enjoy your stay. The Tolpuddle List was created primarily for the research of the Loveless/Lovelace surname other than in the United States. It was given the name of Tolpuddle in reference to the Tolpuddle Martyrs for want of a better name. This list is quiet list but very friendly and many different topics are regularly discussed. Let us know your interests when you're ready and sure that someone on this list will be ready to help you with your research. Once again welcome Donna King Tolpuddle List Manager ----- Original Message ----- From: Val Date <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 03, 1999 4:59 PM Subject: subscribe > subscribe >

David, Thanks for the update. As I work on my database on Loveless/Lovelace I will be on the look out for Bridport etc. Donna King Tolpuddle List Manager ----- Original Message ----- From: David Allen <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 26, 1999 2:41 AM Subject: [TOLPUDDLE-L] Bridport Loveless/Lovelace > Hi Carol and Brian > > Success! I have tracked down a possible source of information on rope making > etc in Bridport the town which claimed to be the rope making centre of the > world! Though the industry has mostly died out. One of the last people to > retire from rope making in the town was a Harry Loveless/lace my source is > not certain which. Will be back in contact when I have more information but > may be some time later in the year as the information in the rope making > museum is much of it in deeds that will need searching, perhaps we will go > down to do the research ourselves later in the year and I will get the > chance to visit the Tolpouddle and Dorset county Museums as well. In > addition the Somerset and Dorset family History Society are researching rope > making in the West Country at the momnent so I will try and make contact > there as well. When you are back on the ground perhaps you could find time > to remind me of the details of your connections with Bridport. > > Best Wishes > David >

On behalf of the Members of Tolpuddle List I would like to welcome DDMcintosh and Father James F. Arrington to the list. This list was set up primarily for the research of the Loveless/Lovelace name in England and Canada. Any related genealogical research is welcomed. I believe that you will find this list quiet but very helpful. Please feel free to share your research interests with the group as soon as you feel comfortable. Once again Welcome Donna King Tolpuddle List Manager Oldest Loveless ancestor - John Loveless born circa 1731 in Tolpuddle, Dorset, england

Hi all, I am researching Benjamin Lovelace, a Tailor, who married Frances Mathews in Well, Somerset, England in 1792. Two children came to Australia in the 1850''s Our family come from Charles, also a Tailor and his wife Hester Parsons, they also married in Somerset, England. email [email protected] Regards Barb Lewis May the road rise up to meet you, And the wind ever be at your back back

Hi Carol and Brian Success! I have tracked down a possible source of information on rope making etc in Bridport the town which claimed to be the rope making centre of the world! Though the industry has mostly died out. One of the last people to retire from rope making in the town was a Harry Loveless/lace my source is not certain which. Will be back in contact when I have more information but may be some time later in the year as the information in the rope making museum is much of it in deeds that will need searching, perhaps we will go down to do the research ourselves later in the year and I will get the chance to visit the Tolpouddle and Dorset county Museums as well. In addition the Somerset and Dorset family History Society are researching rope making in the West Country at the momnent so I will try and make contact there as well. When you are back on the ground perhaps you could find time to remind me of the details of your connections with Bridport. Best Wishes David

Hi Carol and Brian Many congratulations and the very best for your future. As you know I E-mailed the Dorset County Museum in Dorchester but have not received an answer. I will try and contact the Museum in Bridport and If I hear anything will be back in contact Best Wishes David

Hi Donna, thanks for the congrats. Had a nice pre wedding present, my computer back, upgraded and windows 98 on instead of our rather slow and tired '95. No virus just old age!! Nice to see lots of chat on the List. David did you get anything from Bridport?? Spoke to my sister who lives in Dorset and apparently 2 rope makers from early 1800s only recently closed down, she will visit and see whether there are any old records to view. Thanks again, speak to you again after honeymoon!! carol Park----- Original Message ----- From: D King <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 1999 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [TOLPUDDLE-L] WEDDING BELLS ARE RINGING!!!! > Carol and Brian. > > Congratulations. Best wishes for your future. > > Donna King > Tolpuddle List Manager > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Irene Howgate <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 1999 3:27 PM > Subject: [TOLPUDDLE-L] WEDDING BELLS ARE RINGING!!!! > > > > Hi Gang > > I would like to tell all that on Saturday 26th June we will have our first > > list wedding. > > So to > > Carol Park and Brian Vernon all the very best for your wedding and here's > > to a long and happy life to both of you. > > > > CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > Irene > > > >

Carol and Brian. Congratulations. Best wishes for your future. Donna King Tolpuddle List Manager ----- Original Message ----- From: Irene Howgate <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 1999 3:27 PM Subject: [TOLPUDDLE-L] WEDDING BELLS ARE RINGING!!!! > Hi Gang > I would like to tell all that on Saturday 26th June we will have our first > list wedding. > So to > Carol Park and Brian Vernon all the very best for your wedding and here's > to a long and happy life to both of you. > > CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!! > > > Irene >

Geoff. Thanks for your response. This list was intended at first for Loveless/Lovelace research that wasn't originated in the States. This was so that we wouldn't have to sift through many postings that weren't relevant. Other than that, I don't see this list as being totally specific to one cause. Anything that touches on Loveless/Lovelace research whether it be the TMs or any of the names connected with Loveless is okay. This list isn't formal and what I would like to see is research being done on some aspect of Loveless/Lovelace. I would be happy just to see some research or discussions going on. I took over from Wendy Miller as List Manager and have since felt that perhaps that either people are very quiet or maybe this list isn't doing what is supposed to do. I have just started a database on the Loveless/Lovelace and will let you know when I have a good number of entries entered. I'm including the 1881 British census and the IGI. Hope this answers your questions Geoff. At some further date I might be interested in your Ontario research. I would like to know if some of my great-grandmother's 13 brothers and sisters migrated to Canada. Do you have any records of entry into Canada for Loveless? Take care all, Donna King Tolpuddle List Manager ----- Original Message ----- From: Geoff <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 1999 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [TOLPUDDLE-L] Loveless-Callander, Crabb, Cooper > HI Donna > thanks for your response. > I should know the answer to this, but what actually is the scope of this > list? Is it for Loveless research, or Martyr research (eg Brine > Standfield, Hammett, Loveless descendents) , or people from the Tolpuddle > Dorset area? > At any rate, I have done quite a bit of research that is Tolpuddle Martyr > related in Ontario amd would be glad to help someone with specific > questions, be they Brine, Standfield or Loveless. > > regards, > > Geoff >

Sorry Donna I should have mentioned that Carol's computer has crashed, she will be back on line soon. That's why I knew I could get away with announcing her upcoming marriage. :-) I am trying to get a message to them through Brian's laptop but it keeps bouncing back at me. I am going to ring her tonight so will send your wishes on. Hey is this list living up or what!!!!!!! ;-) See Ya all Irene At 21:40 23/06/99 -0700, you wrote: >Carol and Brian. > >Congratulations. Best wishes for your future. > >Donna King >Tolpuddle List Manager >----- Original Message ----- >From: Irene Howgate <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 1999 3:27 PM >Subject: [TOLPUDDLE-L] WEDDING BELLS ARE RINGING!!!! >

Hi folks, From the feedback form I have on the website, I received the following information. Justin didn't leave his complete e-mail address so I can't contact him. He's apparently from Newfoundland, Canada. Does anyone know of his line or know of him? Thanks, Wendy Loveless Miller [email protected] Lovelxxx web page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~lovelace ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 1999 12:16 PM Subject: Data posted to form 2 of http://www.iredell.net/feedback.htm > **************************************************************************** *** > Name: Justin Loveless > Email: aloveless > WantEmaillist?: > Legacy?: > Street: > City: > State: Other > Zip: > Country: > Wantsearch?: ON > DadName: Earl Loveless > DadDOB: > DadPOB: Deer Lake, NFLD > MomName: Janet Chin > MomDOB: > MomPOB: Deer Lake, NFLD > KidName: Anothny Loveless > KidDOB: > KidPOB: Deer Lake, NFLD > SpouseName: Wanda Hiscock > SpouseDOB: > SpousePOB: Deer Lake, NFLD > Date: 23 Jun 1999 > Remote User: > > Additional_kids: > > > Narrative:

Hi Donna, I know of no research on passengers lists etc relating to immigration to North America for the Tolpuddle Martyr crowd. There are anecdotal stories of how and when they came. I would be really interested in seeing, for instance, who all came with George Loveless, and when they exactly came. I believe it was 1844 and the party included his brother James, and the two Brine brothers, James and Joseph. There may be others however, eg brothers and collateral families. We know that George's daughter Sina died at sea. We read that they came through New York to Hamilton, and that the family stayed in Hamilton while George and the eldest son struck out for London. James and Joseph had lived with the Lovelesses in New House Farm, Greensted, but in Canada the Brines initially went north to Huron County. When did the other Loveless brothers come, Robert, and John? You would know that John started out in London and then went to Ohio. Robert stayed in the London area. In the case of the Standfields, it seems that they came in 1846, apparently via Port Stanley. Thomas had 2 grown daughters. Did they come or stay? There are also a bunch of collateral families: eg, spracklen, crabb, cooper, callendar. When did these come? Any discussion on this subject is most welcome! Geoff