You are a blossom!! Yes i had just tracked Thomas Loveless married to Betty...but no more. Strange how these surnames keep changing spelling! I take back all I have said about Loveless having no connection to Lovelace..! (Must be my illiterate ancestors...........) Won't keep you Irene, thanks so much! Have a good night. Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: Irene Howgate <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 1999 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [TOLPUDDLE] Anyone home? > Hiya Carol > This is great stuff. > Here is what I have on your Henry. > If he is > Henry Matthew Lovelace C 26 Jun 1794 Long Bredy. > Parents Thomas Lovelace and Elizabeth. > > Here is Thomas and Elizabeth marriage > Thomas Lovelace married Betty Matthews 1 Feb 1787 at Long Bredy Dorset. > > I might have more children being born to these two but they moved to > Powerstock which isn't to far away. > Oh yeah, Long Bredy is between Bridport and Dorchester. > Should be on here, got people over but could help myself. > See Ya > Irene > > >Hi all, is it me or has this site gone very dead lately?? OK I have a > question for any Loveless's in Dorset?? I have discovered that my > gggggrandad came from LONG BREDY in Dorset - born 1794 - HENRY LOVELESS. > Would anyone know where that is? If it still exists? I have also found in > the Tolpuddle Records reference to a THOMAS LOVELESS marrying a JANE FRY in > LONG BREDY back in 1748 - September. Anyone have any Frys in their gen? > >How is everyone else doing?? Have you all found your ancestors? Do let > us know! > >Carol Park > > > > > >

Hiya Carol This is great stuff. Here is what I have on your Henry. If he is Henry Matthew Lovelace C 26 Jun 1794 Long Bredy. Parents Thomas Lovelace and Elizabeth. Here is Thomas and Elizabeth marriage Thomas Lovelace married Betty Matthews 1 Feb 1787 at Long Bredy Dorset. I might have more children being born to these two but they moved to Powerstock which isn't to far away. Oh yeah, Long Bredy is between Bridport and Dorchester. Should be on here, got people over but could help myself. See Ya Irene >Hi all, is it me or has this site gone very dead lately?? OK I have a question for any Loveless's in Dorset?? I have discovered that my gggggrandad came from LONG BREDY in Dorset - born 1794 - HENRY LOVELESS. Would anyone know where that is? If it still exists? I have also found in the Tolpuddle Records reference to a THOMAS LOVELESS marrying a JANE FRY in LONG BREDY back in 1748 - September. Anyone have any Frys in their gen? >How is everyone else doing?? Have you all found your ancestors? Do let us know! >Carol Park > >

Hi all, is it me or has this site gone very dead lately?? OK I have a question for any Loveless's in Dorset?? I have discovered that my gggggrandad came from LONG BREDY in Dorset - born 1794 - HENRY LOVELESS. Would anyone know where that is? If it still exists? I have also found in the Tolpuddle Records reference to a THOMAS LOVELESS marrying a JANE FRY in LONG BREDY back in 1748 - September. Anyone have any Frys in their gen? How is everyone else doing?? Have you all found your ancestors? Do let us know! Carol Park

Hi Carol. Edward and Ann (nee Bartlett) Loveless's oldest child and daughter was Elizabeth and she married George Moors Legg according to what I have. I have the same birth dates for Elizabeth but have 1879 for date of death. The only child for them I have is Martha Jane. Elizabeth would of been my 2 X great aunt I believe. She was the older sister of my 2 X great grandfather William Loveless. Hope this helps. Donna King ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian and Carol <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 06, 1999 4:36 AM Subject: [TOLPUDDLE-L] Leggs.... > Hi Donna, hi Russell, I was only thinking yesterday it was time to wake up the loveless cousins - but didn't have anything to say. Not sure I have now but just to throw a spanner in the works I have Charles Legg, brother to Elizabeth I think (although I also have Charles Legg married to Elizabeth) - the children of Edward and Ann. Irene and I deduced that the Legg children were: Elizabeth, William, JAne, Martha, Robert, Sarah, Mary, Rosetta and Charles. I have Elizabeth Legg b. 1829 died 1870, nothing further. The mystery to me though is WHO were Edward and Ann?? They are the same generation as Tolpuddle Martyrs but I have Ann Bartlett so Edward must have been Loveless? In which case his children sure weren't Leggs.. Did Elizabeth Loveless marry Charles Legg?? Maybe you can enlighten Donna. Incidentally I got this information from a very reliable Loveless geneologist in Dorset, also my aunt (Loveless). Be interested to hear more. > Hi David -any news from Bridport ropemakers?? I understand now that Gundeys did employ Tolpuddle Loveless's, not sure which ones though... > Hi Irene, how's chilly Ballarat?? My friend I have just made here is moving down your way next month...! > Carol >

Hi Irene - WHEN is that jinx going to get off your shoulder?? Just a quickie then on Leggs. They can't be Edward and Ann's children................?? not unless they changed from Loveless to Loveleggs. I do have a Charles and Elizabeth Legg and guess that she was a loveless. Will 'speak' to you over weekend Irene. Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: Irene Howgate <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 06, 1999 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [TOLPUDDLE-L] Leggs.... > Hello all > > Hey you lot don't hot things up when I can't join in. > > Oh Carol! > Edward Loveless who married Ann Bartlett is the son of William Loveless and > Jane Hoare. > > I would love to get into all this but just at this time I am overload. > As some of you know my son (16) David has been found to have a heart > problem and we have been very busy with tests, doctors and specialists. > He has had two turns just this week, "helpless terror" as my good pal Geoff > in Canada calls it. > Hopefully within the next couple of months he will have an operation to fix > this problem. > So please cousins positive thoughts and a pray would not go astray. > Also this week there was a shooting at Latrobe University Melbourne, this > is where our eldest daughter Melissa is living and studying. > The shooting was in the bar just a few metres from were they all live and > her pal works in the bar. It has really unsettled them all. > So a drama filled week and not much genie work done but I'm watching and > will just in if you need something answered but I can't get into my books > to far for a little while. > Sorry to get off the Loveless research but once I started typing I couldn't > stop. Oh well, sue me! > Nite > Irene > > > > > >Hi Donna, hi Russell, I was only thinking yesterday it was time to wake up > the loveless cousins - but didn't have anything to say. Not sure I have > now but just to throw a spanner in the works I have Charles Legg, brother > to Elizabeth I think (although I also have Charles Legg married to > Elizabeth) - the children of Edward and Ann. Irene and I deduced that the > Legg children were: Elizabeth, William, JAne, Martha, Robert, Sarah, Mary, > Rosetta and Charles. I have Elizabeth Legg b. 1829 died 1870, nothing > further. The mystery to me though is WHO were Edward and Ann?? They are > the same generation as Tolpuddle Martyrs but I have Ann Bartlett so Edward > must have been Loveless? In which case his children sure weren't Leggs.. > Did Elizabeth Loveless marry Charles Legg?? Maybe you can enlighten Donna. > Incidentally I got this information from a very reliable Loveless > geneologist in Dorset, also my aunt (Loveless). Be interested to hear more. > > > >

Hello all Hey you lot don't hot things up when I can't join in. Oh Carol! Edward Loveless who married Ann Bartlett is the son of William Loveless and Jane Hoare. I would love to get into all this but just at this time I am overload. As some of you know my son (16) David has been found to have a heart problem and we have been very busy with tests, doctors and specialists. He has had two turns just this week, "helpless terror" as my good pal Geoff in Canada calls it. Hopefully within the next couple of months he will have an operation to fix this problem. So please cousins positive thoughts and a pray would not go astray. Also this week there was a shooting at Latrobe University Melbourne, this is where our eldest daughter Melissa is living and studying. The shooting was in the bar just a few metres from were they all live and her pal works in the bar. It has really unsettled them all. So a drama filled week and not much genie work done but I'm watching and will just in if you need something answered but I can't get into my books to far for a little while. Sorry to get off the Loveless research but once I started typing I couldn't stop. Oh well, sue me! Nite Irene >Hi Donna, hi Russell, I was only thinking yesterday it was time to wake up the loveless cousins - but didn't have anything to say. Not sure I have now but just to throw a spanner in the works I have Charles Legg, brother to Elizabeth I think (although I also have Charles Legg married to Elizabeth) - the children of Edward and Ann. Irene and I deduced that the Legg children were: Elizabeth, William, JAne, Martha, Robert, Sarah, Mary, Rosetta and Charles. I have Elizabeth Legg b. 1829 died 1870, nothing further. The mystery to me though is WHO were Edward and Ann?? They are the same generation as Tolpuddle Martyrs but I have Ann Bartlett so Edward must have been Loveless? In which case his children sure weren't Leggs.. Did Elizabeth Loveless marry Charles Legg?? Maybe you can enlighten Donna. Incidentally I got this information from a very reliable Loveless geneologist in Dorset, also my aunt (Loveless). Be interested to hear more. >

Hi Donna, hi Russell, I was only thinking yesterday it was time to wake up the loveless cousins - but didn't have anything to say. Not sure I have now but just to throw a spanner in the works I have Charles Legg, brother to Elizabeth I think (although I also have Charles Legg married to Elizabeth) - the children of Edward and Ann. Irene and I deduced that the Legg children were: Elizabeth, William, JAne, Martha, Robert, Sarah, Mary, Rosetta and Charles. I have Elizabeth Legg b. 1829 died 1870, nothing further. The mystery to me though is WHO were Edward and Ann?? They are the same generation as Tolpuddle Martyrs but I have Ann Bartlett so Edward must have been Loveless? In which case his children sure weren't Leggs.. Did Elizabeth Loveless marry Charles Legg?? Maybe you can enlighten Donna. Incidentally I got this information from a very reliable Loveless geneologist in Dorset, also my aunt (Loveless). Be interested to hear more. Hi David -any news from Bridport ropemakers?? I understand now that Gundeys did employ Tolpuddle Loveless's, not sure which ones though... Hi Irene, how's chilly Ballarat?? My friend I have just made here is moving down your way next month...! Carol

Hello Russell. On behalf of everyone I would like to welcome you to the Tolpuddle List. You will find that we're a quiet group but very friendly. I have Loveless and Legg ancestors in my family tree. On the Legg side I have a Elizabeth Loveless born in 1829 in Tolpuddle, Dorset, who married a George Moors Legg. they had a daughter Martha Jane Legg. This is all I have on the Legg side of the house. My Lovelesses go back to 1731 and are related to the Tolpuddle Martyrs. The last Loveless I have on record was born in 1874 in Tolpuddle, Dorset. Carol can you help? Once again, Russell - welcome to the list. I hope that you enjoy your stay. Donna King Tolpuddle List Manager Oldest Loveless ancestor John Loveless born circa 1731 in Tolpuddle, Dorset ----- Original Message ----- From: Russell Brasington <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 1999 3:02 PM Subject: [TOLPUDDLE-L] Arthur Loveless and Alice Louise Loveless > Hi > Im looking for info on Arthur Loveless father of Alice Louise who was born in August 1888. All I know to date is that Alice's marriage certificate says he was a gardener and that she was married in St Peter's Church Parkstone in Poole, Dorset on 4 June 1910. Alice was my maternal grandmother. One of the witnesses named on the marriage certificate was Dollie Legg. I believe she may have been a relative. My mother who has recently passed away used to refer to an Aunty Dollie (and also an Aunt Cis (who may have owned a farm or smallholding in or near Tolpuddle). If anyone has any info I would be very grateful. > > Russ Brasington >

Hello Russ, By way of answer to your query - which really isn't an answer at all, I'm sending a copy of my last communication to a contact on the list. I'm afraid my line is still in the '....lace' as opposed to the '....less'. Good luck with your search. Mandy Portland, Oregon > From: Barbara <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [TOLPUDDLE-L] JOHN LOVELACE, early 1800s, London, England > Date: Monday, July 12, 1999 9:38 PM > > Hi Mandy, > > I have been keeping a look out for any of this family as > I thought it might be part of ours. I am looking for a Benjamin or John > Benjamin > Lovelace born Wells, Somerset in1793, he is the eldest brother of Charles. > Written in his fathers will (also Benjamin) in 1843 was > "I give and bequeath unto my son Benjamin Lovelace my Silver tankard > upon condition that he do pay unto his brother Charles > the sum of Three Pounds of lawful British Money immediately upon > having such tankard DELIVERED to him. > It points to 1. Benjamin was still alive in 1843 (he would have been 50 yrs > old) > 2. Benjamin was no longer in Wells, but elsewhere > and could be overseas ( the wording of Lawful > English Money) > It is most interesting. > > Also your Benjamin could have been my Benjamin's son (father using the name > John Benjamin, both going down our family consistently) > Your Benjamin and Sarah Rebecca Hawkins had a couple more children according > to the IGI > Edward Hawkins Lovelace b 28 Dec 1851 St. Luke, Finsbury, London > Mary Ann Lovelace bpt 16 Oct 1855 Sepulchre, London. > > Benjamin John Lovelace and Emma Jane Randall married 22 July 1869 Lambeth, > London > 2 of their children :- William Stafford b 1874 Colchester Essex, Eng > Benjamin George b 877 Braintree, Essex, Eng > ( you say you have more) > > William Edward Lovelace and Martha Emily O'Shea > 2 of their children Henry Edward Lovelace b 14 Dec 1894 London > Rosina Alice Lovelace b 11 May 1889 > London > > George Abraham Lovelace m 6 Aug 1871 Sarah Elizabeth Jeary > 1 child Edwin James b 12 Nov 1878 Bayswater, London > > In the listing of the IGI there are the marks that denote some else has > traced > your family, it could be worth your while to go back and research the > informants > of the details contained in the listing. > > I take it you are a daughter of Henry Edward ?? > > Hope this helps, but that is all I have on this family > > Regards Barb Lewis Aussie Cossie > -----Original Message----- > From: John O. Andersen <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Date: Tuesday, 13 July 1999 8:05 AM > Subject: [TOLPUDDLE-L] JOHN LOVELACE, early 1800s, London, England > > > >New to the list: my name is Mandy Andersen and I'm in Portland, Oregon > >(formerly of England). One of my maternal lines is LOVELACE and I was > >directed to this list from LOVELESS-L. > > > >This is my Lovelace information hoping that someone will recognize it and > >be able to help me out. > > > >JOHN LOVELACE, born ?, place?, married? > >father of: ............ > >Benjamin LOVELACE b. 6 Jan 1824, London, England; married 16 December > >1894, Holborn, London, England to..... > >Sarah Rebecca HAWKINS b. 15 April 1820, City of London, England. > >They had 7 children that we know of: > > > >- Sarah Harriot (m. Thomas Corless)b. 1 October 1845, Shoreditch, London, > >England. > >- Benjamin John (m. twice we think, initially to Emma Jane Randal[l]) b. 19 > >February 1848, East Cripplegate, London, England. > >- George Abraham (m. Sarah Elizabeth Jeary) b. 18 November 1849, > >Shoreditch, London, England > >- William Edward (m. Martha Emily SHEA - my g.grandparents), b. 28 December > >1851, London, England. > >- Harriet Alice (spinster), b. 26 August 1853, Shoreditch, London, England. > >- Margaret Ellen (spinster), b. 27 December 1857, Islington, London, > >England. > >- Esther (spinster), b. 28 November 1859, Walworth, London, England. > > > >I also have death dates for these children and their parents. I have a > >note that this information was obtained from "Ernest B. Lovelace, Grandson > >of Benjamin Lovelace, and certificates" in possession of my family. > >We are stumped, and looking for any further information on John Lovelace > >and his family. > >Can you please help us? > > > ---------- > From: Russell Brasington <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: [TOLPUDDLE-L] Arthur Loveless and Alice Louise Loveless > Date: Thursday, August 05, 1999 3:02 PM > > Hi > Im looking for info on Arthur Loveless father of Alice Louise who was born in August 1888. All I know to date is that Alice's marriage certificate says he was a gardener and that she was married in St Peter's Church Parkstone in Poole, Dorset on 4 June 1910. Alice was my maternal grandmother. One of the witnesses named on the marriage certificate was Dollie Legg. I believe she may have been a relative. My mother who has recently passed away used to refer to an Aunty Dollie (and also an Aunt Cis (who may have owned a farm or smallholding in or near Tolpuddle). If anyone has any info I would be very grateful. > > Russ Brasington

Hi Im looking for info on Arthur Loveless father of Alice Louise who was born in August 1888. All I know to date is that Alice's marriage certificate says he was a gardener and that she was married in St Peter's Church Parkstone in Poole, Dorset on 4 June 1910. Alice was my maternal grandmother. One of the witnesses named on the marriage certificate was Dollie Legg. I believe she may have been a relative. My mother who has recently passed away used to refer to an Aunty Dollie (and also an Aunt Cis (who may have owned a farm or smallholding in or near Tolpuddle). If anyone has any info I would be very grateful. Russ Brasington

Hi Mandy, I have been keeping a look out for any of this family as I thought it might be part of ours. I am looking for a Benjamin or John Benjamin Lovelace born Wells, Somerset in1793, he is the eldest brother of Charles. Written in his fathers will (also Benjamin) in 1843 was "I give and bequeath unto my son Benjamin Lovelace my Silver tankard upon condition that he do pay unto his brother Charles the sum of Three Pounds of lawful British Money immediately upon having such tankard DELIVERED to him. It points to 1. Benjamin was still alive in 1843 (he would have been 50 yrs old) 2. Benjamin was no longer in Wells, but elsewhere and could be overseas ( the wording of Lawful English Money) It is most interesting. Also your Benjamin could have been my Benjamin's son (father using the name John Benjamin, both going down our family consistently) Your Benjamin and Sarah Rebecca Hawkins had a couple more children according to the IGI Edward Hawkins Lovelace b 28 Dec 1851 St. Luke, Finsbury, London Mary Ann Lovelace bpt 16 Oct 1855 Sepulchre, London. Benjamin John Lovelace and Emma Jane Randall married 22 July 1869 Lambeth, London 2 of their children :- William Stafford b 1874 Colchester Essex, Eng Benjamin George b 877 Braintree, Essex, Eng ( you say you have more) William Edward Lovelace and Martha Emily O'Shea 2 of their children Henry Edward Lovelace b 14 Dec 1894 London Rosina Alice Lovelace b 11 May 1889 London George Abraham Lovelace m 6 Aug 1871 Sarah Elizabeth Jeary 1 child Edwin James b 12 Nov 1878 Bayswater, London In the listing of the IGI there are the marks that denote some else has traced your family, it could be worth your while to go back and research the informants of the details contained in the listing. I take it you are a daughter of Henry Edward ?? Hope this helps, but that is all I have on this family Regards Barb Lewis Aussie Cossie -----Original Message----- From: John O. Andersen <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, 13 July 1999 8:05 AM Subject: [TOLPUDDLE-L] JOHN LOVELACE, early 1800s, London, England >New to the list: my name is Mandy Andersen and I'm in Portland, Oregon >(formerly of England). One of my maternal lines is LOVELACE and I was >directed to this list from LOVELESS-L. > >This is my Lovelace information hoping that someone will recognize it and >be able to help me out. > >JOHN LOVELACE, born ?, place?, married? >father of: ............ >Benjamin LOVELACE b. 6 Jan 1824, London, England; married 16 December >1894, Holborn, London, England to..... >Sarah Rebecca HAWKINS b. 15 April 1820, City of London, England. >They had 7 children that we know of: > >- Sarah Harriot (m. Thomas Corless)b. 1 October 1845, Shoreditch, London, >England. >- Benjamin John (m. twice we think, initially to Emma Jane Randal[l]) b. 19 >February 1848, East Cripplegate, London, England. >- George Abraham (m. Sarah Elizabeth Jeary) b. 18 November 1849, >Shoreditch, London, England >- William Edward (m. Martha Emily SHEA - my g.grandparents), b. 28 December >1851, London, England. >- Harriet Alice (spinster), b. 26 August 1853, Shoreditch, London, England. >- Margaret Ellen (spinster), b. 27 December 1857, Islington, London, >England. >- Esther (spinster), b. 28 November 1859, Walworth, London, England. > >I also have death dates for these children and their parents. I have a >note that this information was obtained from "Ernest B. Lovelace, Grandson >of Benjamin Lovelace, and certificates" in possession of my family. >We are stumped, and looking for any further information on John Lovelace >and his family. >Can you please help us? >

Hello Mandy. On behalf of the Tolpuddle List - Welcome. I hope you enjoy your stay with us. I'm sure that you will find this list to be quiet but very friendly. Anyone who has information on John Lovelace please pass it on to Mandy. I will check my database that I'm working on. Although Benjamin does not ring a bell with me. Mandy, once again Welcome. Donna King Tolpuddle List Manager oldest Loveless ancestor John Loveless born 1731 Tolpuddle, Dorset (Irene, I think I finally got it right) ----- Original Message ----- From: John O. Andersen <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 12, 1999 3:08 PM Subject: [TOLPUDDLE-L] JOHN LOVELACE, early 1800s, London, England > New to the list: my name is Mandy Andersen and I'm in Portland, Oregon > (formerly of England). One of my maternal lines is LOVELACE and I was > directed to this list from LOVELESS-L. > > This is my Lovelace information hoping that someone will recognize it and > be able to help me out. > > JOHN LOVELACE, born ?, place?, married? > father of: ............ > Benjamin LOVELACE b. 6 Jan 1824, London, England; married 16 December > 1894, Holborn, London, England to..... > Sarah Rebecca HAWKINS b. 15 April 1820, City of London, England. > They had 7 children that we know of: > > - Sarah Harriot (m. Thomas Corless)b. 1 October 1845, Shoreditch, London, > England. > - Benjamin John (m. twice we think, initially to Emma Jane Randal[l]) b. 19 > February 1848, East Cripplegate, London, England. > - George Abraham (m. Sarah Elizabeth Jeary) b. 18 November 1849, > Shoreditch, London, England > - William Edward (m. Martha Emily SHEA - my g.grandparents), b. 28 December > 1851, London, England. > - Harriet Alice (spinster), b. 26 August 1853, Shoreditch, London, England. > - Margaret Ellen (spinster), b. 27 December 1857, Islington, London, > England. > - Esther (spinster), b. 28 November 1859, Walworth, London, England. > > I also have death dates for these children and their parents. I have a > note that this information was obtained from "Ernest B. Lovelace, Grandson > of Benjamin Lovelace, and certificates" in possession of my family. > We are stumped, and looking for any further information on John Lovelace > and his family. > Can you please help us? > >

New to the list: my name is Mandy Andersen and I'm in Portland, Oregon (formerly of England). One of my maternal lines is LOVELACE and I was directed to this list from LOVELESS-L. This is my Lovelace information hoping that someone will recognize it and be able to help me out. JOHN LOVELACE, born ?, place?, married? father of: ............ Benjamin LOVELACE b. 6 Jan 1824, London, England; married 16 December 1894, Holborn, London, England to..... Sarah Rebecca HAWKINS b. 15 April 1820, City of London, England. They had 7 children that we know of: - Sarah Harriot (m. Thomas Corless)b. 1 October 1845, Shoreditch, London, England. - Benjamin John (m. twice we think, initially to Emma Jane Randal[l]) b. 19 February 1848, East Cripplegate, London, England. - George Abraham (m. Sarah Elizabeth Jeary) b. 18 November 1849, Shoreditch, London, England - William Edward (m. Martha Emily SHEA - my g.grandparents), b. 28 December 1851, London, England. - Harriet Alice (spinster), b. 26 August 1853, Shoreditch, London, England. - Margaret Ellen (spinster), b. 27 December 1857, Islington, London, England. - Esther (spinster), b. 28 November 1859, Walworth, London, England. I also have death dates for these children and their parents. I have a note that this information was obtained from "Ernest B. Lovelace, Grandson of Benjamin Lovelace, and certificates" in possession of my family. We are stumped, and looking for any further information on John Lovelace and his family. Can you please help us?

Hi all. Was going through some of my collection of paperwork from years back before I had the internet and Rootsweb and found the following. Date of Burial Name Age Place 1808/01/27 Loveless Thomas Portsea 1789/09/19 Loveless Mary 0, Portsea 1798/09/15 Loveless Mary, 0, Portsea 1745/10/13 Loveless Francis, ---, Breamore 1733/06/25 Loveless George, ---, Breamore 1835/02/14 Loveless Thomas, 41, Portsea 1835/08/31 Loveless George Edwin, 1, Portsea 1834/11/09 Loveless Robert, 26, Portsea 1833/05/29 Loveless Ann, 64, Portsea 1831/01/03 Loveless Rebecca Mary, 15, Portsea 1831/09/30 Loveless John 60, Portsea 1829/12/12 Loveless Jane, 55, Portsea 1828/10/21 Loveless Harriet 22, Portsea 1828/11/26 Loveless Fanny, inf, Portsea 1821/12/09 Loveless Elizabeth, 40, Portsea 1817/12/14 Loveless Lucy, 74, Portsea 1815/01/08 Loveless Robert 75, Portsea 1815/04/30 Loveless Richard, Inf, Portsea 1814/11.16 Loveless Jane, Inf, Portsea 1711/10/19 Loveless Richard, ---, Wellow 1683/07/31 Loveless Richard, ---, Wellow Hope this information helps someone. I received it a long time ago from Rose Conway when I was searching for Kate Loveless. Donna King Tolpuddle List Manager

Hi all, I just added Barb Lewis's Australian Lovelace gedcom to the Lovelxxx web site. http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~lovelace/gedcoms/aussie/surnames.htm Barb and others, if in looking through your gedcoms you see things you'd like to change that the program interpreted differently than you expected, feel free to update your gedcom and resubmit. Sometimes the names are interpreted differently than you expected; for example, if you only have a surname listed, the program may interpret that as a proper name or vice-versa. Adding as many dates, places, notes, and sources as possible just makes the information that much more credible. The gedclean program I use cleans out dates for living individuals, so you don't need to worry about sending too much information. Thanks! Wendy

Hello all I have had an email from a lady name Ngaire in New Zealand who is researching Channel Island Loveless's. Anybody in here researching in that area? This is all she has sent so far, Charles LOVELESS born 1822 married Sarah Ann WARD travelled out to N.Z. Arriving 2.2.1874 with five children. Another relative of this family is Jonathon LOVELESS who married a Maria PUINER (or Purner), no dates I'm sorry. I am receiving alot of emails regarding Loveless/Lovelace's now and am going to put them across the list as well as trying to help them myself. I am receiving to many and am asking for help. I always invite them to join our list or send them off to Wendy, Greg and the Americian cousins. Please watch for Ngaire and make her welcome as you always do. Also Barb has converted me to the GEDCOM PAF genealogy program (thanks Barb!) Is anyone else in here using it I could do with some advise. It is a genealogy program made by the LDS and is a free download which makes it extra great. I have been looking for a genealogy program to buy for a long time and as lots of you know I badly need one (I can see you smiling Geoff!) I think this is it. I am having a few hickups and if any kind person in here can help me it would be much appreciated. Bye for now Irene with cold fingers.

Thanks Irene and Carol. You have made my day. I had had the years of birth etc from Irene earlier but the exact dates are great. I still need a date of death for Ann Loveless if anyone finds it. Irene, I made an error in my dates on my last email. I have John Loveless born 1751 not 1831. I must be getting senile in my old age. While going through the census - working on the database. I have located the following for Bridport. Jane Loveless, age 69 - widow at West Allington Allington, Dorset, England Born Bridport, Dorset FHL film 1341513 Pro ref RG11 Piece 2123 Folio 33 page 11 Also have a Robert Lovelass, age 56 married 3 Millbrook Villas Cockington, Devon born Bridport, Dorset FHL Film 1341513 Pro ref RG11 Piece 2170 Folio 164 Page 12 I'm sure there a lots more. Will list them as I go along. Hope this helps. Donna King Tolpuddle List Manager Oldest Loveless Ancestor John Loveless, born 1751, Topuddle, Dorset, Uncle to Charles and James Loveless ----- Original Message ----- From: Irene Howgate <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 11:25 PM Subject: [TOLPUDDLE-L] PREZZIE FOR DONNA! ALSO SEARCHING FOR BOB! > YO DONNA! > I have another child born to John Loveless and Judith Hibbs > I found Elias bapt 15/6/1783 buried 17/8/1783 and I found the dates for > John (older sibling) as Bapt 24/12/1780 Buried 13/4/1781. > This came from Tolpuddle Records in Dorsetshire. > Also it says that the marriage date for John and Judith was 5/3/1774. > I am going to order the Tolpuddle films as soon as I get time and have a > good look for myself. > > Also while I'm here is Bob Copeland subscribed to this list? > HEY BOB YOU IN HERE! > I found your connection to the Tolpuddle Martyrs. > > Oh before I go, Donna why do your finish your email > "Donna King > oldest Loveless ancestor John Loveless born circa 1831 Tolpuddle, Dorset" > > We did get you back to John and Thomasina didn't we? > Well they married 21 Mar 1746. > > Bye > Eye > > > > > > > Donna King > oldest Loveless ancestor John Loveless born circa 1831 Tolpuddle, Dorset > >

Hi Donna, Irene, having read your email Irene, am feeling a bit guilty in case I am 'sitting' on dates and names here that I haven't shared?? Have Elias and dates which I thought I'd posted a while back and John and dates. Donna do you also have sibling Anne bap. 20.9.1778 sibling William bap. 17.7.1774 b. 23.5.1832 sibling John bap. 9.3.1777 b. 6.7.1779 Have William's children's dates too if you don't have them all? Cheers, Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: Irene Howgate <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 10, 1999 4:25 PM Subject: [TOLPUDDLE-L] PREZZIE FOR DONNA! ALSO SEARCHING FOR BOB! > YO DONNA! > I have another child born to John Loveless and Judith Hibbs > I found Elias bapt 15/6/1783 buried 17/8/1783 and I found the dates for > John (older sibling) as Bapt 24/12/1780 Buried 13/4/1781. > This came from Tolpuddle Records in Dorsetshire. > Also it says that the marriage date for John and Judith was 5/3/1774. > I am going to order the Tolpuddle films as soon as I get time and have a > good look for myself. > > Also while I'm here is Bob Copeland subscribed to this list? > HEY BOB YOU IN HERE! > I found your connection to the Tolpuddle Martyrs. > > Oh before I go, Donna why do your finish your email > "Donna King > oldest Loveless ancestor John Loveless born circa 1831 Tolpuddle, Dorset" > > We did get you back to John and Thomasina didn't we? > Well they married 21 Mar 1746. > > Bye > Eye > > > > > > > Donna King > oldest Loveless ancestor John Loveless born circa 1831 Tolpuddle, Dorset > > >

YO DONNA! I have another child born to John Loveless and Judith Hibbs I found Elias bapt 15/6/1783 buried 17/8/1783 and I found the dates for John (older sibling) as Bapt 24/12/1780 Buried 13/4/1781. This came from Tolpuddle Records in Dorsetshire. Also it says that the marriage date for John and Judith was 5/3/1774. I am going to order the Tolpuddle films as soon as I get time and have a good look for myself. Also while I'm here is Bob Copeland subscribed to this list? HEY BOB YOU IN HERE! I found your connection to the Tolpuddle Martyrs. Oh before I go, Donna why do your finish your email "Donna King oldest Loveless ancestor John Loveless born circa 1831 Tolpuddle, Dorset" We did get you back to John and Thomasina didn't we? Well they married 21 Mar 1746. Bye Eye Donna King oldest Loveless ancestor John Loveless born circa 1831 Tolpuddle, Dorset

Hi all. What I've noticed in my family research is most of the families use the same name over and over. Great grandfather named Samuel Father named Samuel One of the sons is named Samuel Other sons name one of their sons Samuel. Get the picture. Or Edward's father was Thomas Thomas's father was Edward This family also had Samuels, Georges and Sarahs all thrown in for good measure. At least every generation had one. On my father's paternal side they're all Abrahams or Jacobs. It tends to get confusing after awhile. I won't mind them using the same names if they had left behind a map or some other indicator as to who is who. Still working on the database of Loveless/Lovelace from the 1881 census. Have almost 200 names from the Dorset area Cheers all Donna King ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 4:57 PM Subject: [TOLPUDDLE-L] English Naming System > Hi everyone. > > I came across the following and thought it might be > of some use when researching the English Lines. > > The first son was named after the fathers Father > the 2nd son was named after the mothers Father > the third son was named after his own father > the fourth son was named after the fathers eldest brother > > The first dau was named after the mothers Mother > the 2nd dau was named after the fathers Mother > the 3rd dau was named after her own Mother > the 4th dau was named after the mothers eldest sister. > > Interesting isn't it? > Regards Barb Lewis > > May the road rise up to meet you, > And the wind ever be at your back > ack >